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- muvment256, on 10/12/2007, -35/+229to make their statement even stronger, they should all be nude.
at least all the women should.- chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -16/+384You probably haven't been to an anti-[whatever] rally in San Francisco. You don't want to see these women nude. There's a reason why half the men in town are gay!
I kid, I kid... - krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -51/+152i wish i could bury all 1500 of them (even women and children - i don't discriminate) for improper use of CAPS and the exclamation point.
- Puppetfunk, on 10/12/2007, -19/+177Wouldn't it be funny if that was all a coincidence?
- SirNoobius, on 10/12/2007, -137/+41leave it to the hippies to come up with these things
- aussieNickuss, on 10/12/2007, -42/+161"leave it to the hippies to come up with these things"
Do you always call people who have an opinion hippies? - SirNoobius, on 10/12/2007, -102/+27no only people who live within 30 miles of San Fransisco
- leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -13/+65enjoy your no-fly list.
- carcinogen, on 10/12/2007, -32/+39Clever way to get the word 'impeachment' out there... Apparently, a lot of people follow the mentality of "if you ignore it long enough, it will go away." The issue of impeachment will, fortunately, continue to grow in popularity.
It's about time we get our country back. Impeachment is a step in the right direction. - DirkBelig, on 10/12/2007, -67/+30All you impeachment-obsessed loons need to answer the question: What happens after we get rid of Bush and Cheney and install Nancy Pelosi as Führer, er, Emperor, dammit, President? How will the world be safer and more peaceful? By bowing before the Sword of Islam, perhaps and hoping for the best?
You. People. Just. Don't. Get. It. - peteschust, on 10/12/2007, -26/+42No, impeaching the president wouldn't bring anyone better into leadership of this country as all of the people in the current regime are all terrible, but impeaching the president/vice president would at least send a message that we're sick of these people running/ruining our country.
- KuntaKinte, on 10/12/2007, -55/+28stupid hippies
- moman, on 10/12/2007, -10/+80I wonder if google earth picked it up
- DamageInc, on 10/12/2007, -48/+27Congrats to 1500 people for wasting their time with something that isn't going to accomplish anything...
- Revan01, on 10/12/2007, -48/+45"It's about time we get our country back"
Dunno, you guys act like you're the only ones with a ***** opinion
he got voted in, i was one of the ones who did the voting
this country is back to me, if you feel like fighting it now, expect a fight from the moderate majority for trying to destabilize everything
just because you are all the most vocal, doesent make you the majority, it just makes you annoying - shealer, on 10/12/2007, -33/+14@Revan01
Maybe you voted, but apart from the fact that both were fixed?
All I know is that by the end of the next year, Bush'll be gone. If it happens sooner, great - Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24@shealer
The "fact" that they were both fixed?
See? You just supported Revan's point there.
Also you're wrong. He'll be gone by January of the year after next. - jinglee, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34Are there really 1500 people out there..looks like maybe a 200 or so..
- slark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You mean like this?:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/09/1044725666049.html - IvanB, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10"leave it to the hippies to come up with these things"
Hippies didn't have political beliefs in general. Being a hippy was just an attitude and a way of seeing life. They didn't mess too much with politics in the 60s, maybe just protesting against American intervention in Vietnam, but that was it. - jun2san, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Breaking! "1500 people in San Francisco gathered on a beach to send a message!"
THIS JUST IN!: Rita Repulsa has just been Impeached!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/23478206@N00/476741225/ - lostboy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28Ah lots of humorous jokes about hippies from geeks sitting behind their computer screens safe in their mother's basement. Oops did I just accidentally stereotype people I don't know?!
Further to that, is there anything wrong with being a hippy? I happen to come from Bristol, UK where a great many hippies congregate. Unsurprisingly it's not hard to make fun of them, but the fact remains they generally seem to be kind, thoughtful people who want to make a difference to the world around them. That you all start stereotyping them shows a lack of understanding on your own part.
As for the images themselves, well done! If 1500 people came out and took the time to do them then that's another 1500 we know care about what happens in their country. I think that's pretty admirable.
Please go back to the scheduled ./bash session now. - themoose, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Who the hell's digging down sirnoobius? His second comment was hilarious.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Um, the letters are spelled out in blankets and *****. It isnt people creating the letters, they are simply scattered along the beach towels. It would have been a lot more impressive if it was just people, but with the towels and ***** laid out its just a joke.
http://beachimpeach.org/photos/a28_photos/IMG_0319.jpg
hahaha, they barely have anough people to make a single letter without cheating. - Adma1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@jinglee
"Are there really 1500 people out there..looks like maybe a 200 or so.."
look closer, I took the time to count how many people were in the closer up image of the E and it came out to roughly 100 peopple. 10 letters including the exclamation point, and the letters NOW are all quite large, it is not hard to believe that there's close to 1500, maybe not quite, but certainly not 200. - smartass007, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3impeach capitalism.
it's corporate wealth and power which puts these 'candidates' before us on the ballot. tossing bush into the ocean won't change that. - livesunexamined, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@ asianwaste
"He'll be gone by January of the year after next."
Although that's true, it should seem as though Bush isn't in Office. Most presidents don't do anything between November of a voting year and and the inauguration of the next president. It makes sense too, as there isn't enough time to do anything especially since Bush now has a democratic congress. - Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Protest is futile. They have our children.
- monospaced, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can see my house!
- tdilworth, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4wow, liberal pansies on a mission. way to go, now dance the YMCA... or you could make a I.M.P.E.A.C.H dance.
and how is that a show of mass opinion, that's on;y like 200 people, maybe 300 people that are willing to listen to orders from one organizer. Sending a message, to who? people passing over head in airliners that happen to glance out the window? dropping leaflets would be far more potent.
i mean com'on people, yeah it looks cool from the air, but it's going to over all ineffective. - Insolent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Are you actually trying to argue that Pelosi would be a worse president than Bush, considering we would already be invading Iran if he truly was a dictator? Am I supposed to pretend that your supposed opinion is anything but a joke, let alone respect it? Maybe this is why some people have trouble accepting evolution as true, because there are people dumber than apes running around offering their 'opinions.'
- chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -16/+384You probably haven't been to an anti-[whatever] rally in San Francisco. You don't want to see these women nude. There's a reason why half the men in town are gay!
- shibbz, on 10/12/2007, -40/+5wow. digg this.
- Hipple, on 10/12/2007, -30/+17I hope there was a plane full of Congressmen (and women) flying overhead at that exact time, because otherwise... well I guess it's still awesome
- gigaquack, on 10/12/2007, -11/+134Who is Now and what did he or she do?
- msoule, on 10/12/2007, -13/+72It's the National Organization for Women! I agree wholeheartedly with their message. I think we should also impeach PETA!
- culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Whether or not you like the National Organization of Women, you CAN'T impeach them.
(maybe they were a few people short to spell "BUSH") - filefly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The National Organization of Women wouldn't spell out the word "bush"...
- Dewhead, on 10/12/2007, -81/+37What a meaningless gesture.
- MSF2, on 10/12/2007, -31/+50What a meaningless comment.
- aMammoth, on 10/12/2007, -19/+13Impeach whom? How unspecific.
- Binjabon, on 10/12/2007, -25/+14Agreed. A big waste of my time and theirs.
- aussieNickuss, on 10/12/2007, -21/+9Why? Don't you think 1500 people on a beach is giving a pretty powerful message? It's only 1500 people, but its still good to see them getting out there and showing their oppinion.
- TheShad0w, on 10/12/2007, -12/+27@jrocknyc
It is usually the voice of a few can start the snow ball rolling. Remember the Declaration of Independence, American Civil War, French Revolution, the Magna Carta. Do not underestimate the power of the people. It is when you close your mind to the possibilities that you become a slave to others. - seanc6610, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world;
indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."
-Margaret Mead - 1bl1s, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4what a meaningless ***** head you are
- vanityfarewell, on 10/12/2007, -78/+17Like I'm really going to listen to a bunch of fags ands lesbians
- rawkenshtocken, on 10/12/2007, -51/+12amen sir
- SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -21/+16I'll listen to the lesbians any time...
- DocXango, on 10/12/2007, -20/+13@Vanity
I was going to check back and see how far you got dugg down, but I guess I'll never know since blocking you is quicker.
- yensed, on 10/12/2007, -24/+101I only counted 1499 people
- Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -38/+5didn't mean to reply to you, digg this down.
- betacmag4u, on 10/12/2007, -25/+10America's Army is a great game! And free!
- selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+46You should count several more times just to make sure.
- fluffyturtle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+77Someone had to take the picture.
- dabears1218, on 10/12/2007, -50/+24So, is Digg just going to be a liberal propaganda machine for the next year and a half then?
- aMammoth, on 10/12/2007, -16/+36Thats what its shaping up to be. There should never be a politics section on this site, people are too passionate, and bias, so you lose the minority members or they just get pissed off.
I bet most of you don't even know what impeaching truly is. Its to put on trial not booting the guy you're impeaching. Hell some people even spell it inpeach. Shows how ignorant some people are. - MSF2, on 10/12/2007, -20/+22How is this propaganda? It's just people using their right to free speech. Or is the GOP taking a stand against that now?
Damn, you repugs think everything is propaganda. - SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -13/+16@MSF2
Yeah, the Democrats and liberals don't call anything propaganda. They never call stuff ranging from the "War on Terror" to America's Army (the game) propaganda!
You have to look at things from the other guy's point of view before you say something. - dabears1218, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4@MSF2
I just thought I'd let you know, I am a moderate. In fact, I've been called a liberal by many people before, and never a republican/conservative. - zabaf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@MSF2
America's Army is propaganda. Its a game made by a government institution, to glamorize being in the army. Propaganda. - MSF2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@sultantravi
Maybe I have a more specific view of what propaganda is then some people. But I don't see how anyone could say a protest like this is propaganda. Even if it said "Don't Impeach" it's protest not propaganda anyway you look at it.
@zabaf
As for America's Army, I don't know enough about it to say if it is or not; but if it was really made by the government with the sole propose of glamorizing the army then might be.
- aMammoth, on 10/12/2007, -16/+36Thats what its shaping up to be. There should never be a politics section on this site, people are too passionate, and bias, so you lose the minority members or they just get pissed off.
- Devoboy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17That statement would be more effective if those people went to another country and made it.
- msoule, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16I'm going to calculate how much time they just wasted!
- Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -16/+76I found Waldo.
Did you?- neutralmind, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4All I saw was a blue pawprint and a blue dog. /lame joke
- unibeat, on 10/12/2007, -14/+17Mirror
http://beachimpeach.org.nyud.net:8090/sfa28_photos.html - yoadrian, on 10/12/2007, -8/+55i only see 404
- minox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Better than their original effort in January.
http://www.zombietime.com/beach_impeach/ - phantomgrave, on 10/12/2007, -10/+8The massive waves are gonna wash them into the sea! :O
- maximumsteve1, on 10/12/2007, -16/+15I might just be young and naive but stuff like this just seems like complaining to me. I might not be doing my part in finding the solutions they present possibly but it seems more so that these people always say impeach and peace but offer no real solutions to our problems.
- nastronomical, on 10/12/2007, -17/+12Welcome to the World of Hippies, Liberals and posers.
- smackhero, on 10/12/2007, -16/+13removing corrupt officials seems like a step in the right direction.
- rossmcd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7Welcome to the world of human beings. :P
- altjeringa, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Well, ya "those" people are always only complainers or loosers or player haters. While "we" are not! I think you might find that you are right about some of "those" people, and wrong about others. Just as some of "we" are loosers and some are not.
I think the problem you are experiencing is called Over Generalization. - argotechnica, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Protest doesn't offer solutions to immediate problems, but that's not the point of protest. The point of protest is this: we don't want people in office who simply make problems.
That's why this effort is more than just a message to our current congress or even to BushCo; it's a message to the entire DC beltway: "If you spit on democracy and defy the constitution, and you lie to your country to protect the interests of a privileged few, and you spy on your citizens, and you conduct illegal wars, and so on, then get out of office. We can do better." That's what democracy is all about.
(And IMHO, impeachment *is* a solution. It's a solution to the problem that our administration is still in office, lying to us.) - smallestmills, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@maximum
I agree. Standing on a beach spelling impeach is doing anything but providing a cute photo op. It's not raising awareness, it's just showing off the fact that they can round up 1500 people at the beach. (And wow, who doesn't like a beach party with a bonfire after.)
- digger_twit, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14Thats right across from the Beach Chalet were Kevin and Alex do diggnation.
- strike2867, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0http://www.duggmirror.com/
Coral Cache works- short_man, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6If coral cache works, give me the link to that and not to duggmirror which doesn't.
- PRocker267, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Whats with the tiny blimp in this image?
http://beachimpeach.org.nyud.net:8080/photos/a28_photos/IMG_0183.jpg- phantomgrave, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Did anyone happen to find out the final score for the soccer match going on in the background? :D
- joshjx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6I wondered what all those helicopters where doing this morning....
- subman697, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20Are they asking us to impeach the National Organization of Women? What does San Francisco have against NOW, and how do you impeach an entire organization?
/sarcasm - BT1000101, on 10/12/2007, -21/+14When I saw the words "San Francisco" in the headline, I had a very strong feeling it was going to be some liberal, hippie ***** like this!
- altjeringa, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Wow.... that's pretty sad. I hope you recover from your brain injury soon.
- zenmaster00100, on 10/12/2007, -25/+13SF what joke of a city, This is the same city that wants no military recruiters in the entire city and the mayor just stated that SF is a haven for all illegal immigrants. I hope that when an illegal rapes or murders someone in SF that the victim brings a lawsuit against the mayor and his retarded policy's
- edeliz, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7zenmaster00100, what a joke of a statement.
- SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -15/+11Yeah right. More like they'll point out the hardships the murderer went through and give him a medal.
- altjeringa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Something tells me you've never lived in SF.
- jin6655321, on 10/12/2007, -9/+7So other cities that has military recruiters and shun illegal immigrants have a lower rate of illegal rapes and murders? It's been shown that most illegal immigrants refrain from breaking the law more than legal residents/citizens 'cause when an illegal immigrant gets caught, they know they're going to get deported. It's mostly ignorant 'tards like you w/ an inferiority complex that does something stupid.
- spacey, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4***** I meant to digg you down but hit the wrong button. Consider yourself -5, not -3, somewhere in the range of your IQ.
- x0nIMIn0x, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8People love to crap on SF in comments, but I gotta say this: I've lived all over the country, in almost a dozen big cities and small towns, and the few years I spent in SF were some of the best. The quality of life is great (great food, crisp weather, remarkable views) and you meet a lot of smart people there.
When I read comments from people who go off about San Francisco, I'm always curious about where live that is so much better.
- nastronomical, on 10/12/2007, -16/+9So 1500 smelly hippies went to the beach................................
- sillykalcifer, on 10/12/2007, -13/+33These images have been edited by the Adobe® Photoshop® software.
- BugMeNot2, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29It's true!
The metadata says that they were edited using Adobe® Photoshop® CS2 software on a Macintosh. - fluffyturtle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25So it's true after all, mac users are terrorists!
- BugMeNot2, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29It's true!
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -15/+10Oh yes, let's have a meaningless gesture instead of real change...kind of like most peoples' political comments on digg...
- altjeringa, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7Meaningless, well, no not really. I think you'll find that it's adding to the public stream of conciousness. I mean we are at the very least talking, right? Although you've a point, the liberal community seems to have a problem knowing when it time to put up or shut up.
- dabears1218, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6Bet you there's some really nice smelling folks in there.
- OmniMe, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9Not big enough for Washington to see it.
- argotechnica, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1But we could be.
http://impeachforpeace.org/ImpeachNow.html
- argotechnica, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1But we could be.
- eatmorgnome, on 10/12/2007, -13/+9I wonder how many of these people bothered to vote in the last election?
- BT1000101, on 10/12/2007, -15/+12"I wonder how many of these people bothered to vote in the last election?"
Not a God damned one of them, most likely. Going to the polls would cut into their whining time.
- BT1000101, on 10/12/2007, -15/+12"I wonder how many of these people bothered to vote in the last election?"
- vsujohn2, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17Might have been impressive if it was ANYWHERE besides San Francisco.
- gene1102, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Appreciate the effort, but the only who gets to see that are the UFOs. And who are the UFOs working for? Exactly--George Bush.
- Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1You got it.
Care for a plate of shrimp?
- Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1You got it.
- 4eloBek, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4lol sooo many stoopid ppl... ironic
- glguy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6I'm sure glad that someone had the foresight to take so many pictures from so many different angles... I wasn't sure what the participants were trying to spell at first, but by the end I'd figured it all out.
- Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Spelling is hard, isn't it?
- heppelitis, on 10/12/2007, -10/+8Find a hobby please.
- Sabin17, on 10/12/2007, -17/+26Where's a tsunami when you need one?
- BT1000101, on 10/12/2007, -18/+30"Where's a tsunami when you need one?"
If a Tsunami washed all of those ***** idiots into the ocean, they would all be sued by Greenpeace for polluting it!
- BT1000101, on 10/12/2007, -18/+30"Where's a tsunami when you need one?"
- xlar54, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29These morons... didnt ANYONE learn from Gilligan's Island? No one is going to rescue these losers if they cant spell S.O.S. properly!
- stacigh, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Haha! I've been on that beach. Booyah.
- xlar54, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Yeah, all was fine until some pranksters came along...
"IMPregnate NOW!" - rabidg00se, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Now is innocent
- Johnagain, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Right... Impeach... Then who would be president? Sorry, no. It would be Cheney. Would that be better?
If you are not happy with Bush, then next election, VOTE. Do you really think you can get an impeachment through congress before November? Watch C-span sometime.- killerofkiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1impeach em both, hope they get kicked out
then nancy will be president (speaker is 3rd in line)
- killerofkiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1impeach em both, hope they get kicked out
- Dislexus, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5I'm still waiting for California to fall into the ocean.
- WhiteRaven, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Just once I'd like someone talking about impeachment to simply cite one *specific* piece of wrongdoing that rises to the level of impeachment. Don't say "Bush lied" or claim that the Iraq war is illegal... cite a single, specific event that was illegal.
Please, make your case. What law has Bush violated? Do you people even realize that claiming he's a bad president has absolutely nothing to do with impeachment? Impeachment is not like a recall vote, it is a trial. Present evidence.- muvment256, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3ok, I'll start:
The president's highest duty is to uphold the constitution. This is the oath he took, as all presidents do, and it is held above all else in reference to his responsibilities.
The suspension of habeus corpus, pioneered, signed, supported, and heralded by our president.
I could go on, but there is no need. There is your evidence.
I, for one, don't care about impeachment, because it would only be for symbolic purposes and a waste of resources, but there is your evidence. - vsujohn2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9People dont realize what you are saying WhiteRaven, as much as they say Bush is destroying the constitution and claiming he is destroying this and that and whatnot... have they themselves not learned or remembered lessons of history? Kind of like Andrew Johnson who was impeached for doing nothing that was illegal, but because what he did do was very unpopular, make sure you distinguish those 2 (unpopular and illegal)
And Muvment256, by that logic Abe Lincoln would be held in the same regard, as he also suspended habeas corpus. - xlar54, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5I dont think what he did was illegal, but what I DO think is that this President has proven that we NEED the ability to call for a vote of no confidence in our leader. When a President's approval rating falls as low as his, that means the PEOPLE no longer believe in this man. Impeachment is too slow and costly on our nation. There is one last check and balance that was missed by our forefathers (who, by the way, were NOT omnipotent) : the ability for the people to remove a sitting President due to unpopular policies.
Do you know how much damage a President can do - WITHOUT being actual "illegal" acts? The wheels of impeachment move far too slow - and in some cases, for political reasons, the Congress will refuse to impeach (ask Pelosi why). So when the Congress wont get him out, he has a 20% approval rating... he no longer has the confidence and trust of the American people. Any other employee would be fired under such conditions, and - believe it or not - Bush IS an employee of the citizens of this country.
Amend the Constitution, such that the people of this nation can remove a sitting president without the need to impeach, via national referendum. - vsujohn2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Well, if you would understand the reasoning for the long-involving impeachment process, you would see the need for it. The founders knew that if the president could be changed on the whim of popular opinion, it would not be a stable position in the government and would not be productive for the country. This is especially the case when a president from one party disagrees with a hefty majority of the other party in congress..
- xJVz, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Raping the Constitution is a pretty major one (e.g., repealing of habeus corpus for "terrorists" in GITMO). Oh yeah, and that illegal spying thing. Oh, there are plenty of reasons, and they also apply to Cheney and Gonzalez in some cases.
- muvment256, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3In re: vsujohn2
Although it may be true that Lincoln suspended habeus corpus, he did it within the confines of the constitution. However, this debate will have to leave the consititution and travel into Internation Law as well as semantics. At the time of Lincoln, and under the 5th amendment, habeus corpus may be suspended when "in Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger." (U.S. Const. Amnd. 5) The war on terrorism is a semantic war, so it counts about as much as the war on drugs (meaning, not at all). The war in iraq doesn't involve the milita, per se. The question is whether we are truely at war, as in the framer's minds, it was based upon war against another country and not occupation. There may be a safe harbor within "public danger", but I am not a consitutional lawyer, so i could not say for sure.
I guess, in conclusion, I am not necessarily taking a stand, but offering some arguments for others to further or contest. My view is that political discussion should be an activity where we share ideas instead of choosing polarized sides and fighting for them w/o critical thought. - xlar54, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3I understand the long involving impeachment process AS THE FOUNDERS defined it. Now add in our contemporary slow downs due to politics, politics, and oh yeah - politics. Bush had a number of legitimate reasons for impeachment, yet Pelosi says its off the table. They had reasons long ago. But since there were more Republicans in the Congress than Democrats, an impeachment bill would *never* pass. Do you see? Clinton - impeached by the House, was aquited for a very real crime - perjury and obstruction. He DID both. But he was aquited, thanks to loyal democrats. Impeachment as it stands today is VERY politically biased. Nixon is about the only President who would have clearly been impeached even by his own party. But this is rare. So. If you think that "unpopular" opinion is not important, you are very diluted. If the world thinks you are wrong - maybe you actually are. A President that is as wrong as Bush can do IMMENSE damage to this nation. As such, we need a way to get him out, without relying on the politically biased impeachment process.
- muvment256, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3In re: xlar54
Look up what perjury means and then delete your statment. Perjury is a MATERIAL falsehood. Now look at what Clinton responded to. You are very wrong. He is guilty of making a false statement, but not perjury. Do your own research and thinking for once.
Also, while you're at it. Look up what impeachment means. You don't even seem to able to use the word right. - xlar54, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2"Look up what perjury means and then delete your statment. Perjury is a MATERIAL falsehood. Now look at what Clinton responded to. You are very wrong. He is guilty of making a false statement, but not perjury. Do your own research and thinking for once."
I don't have to . The House of Representatives impeached him for that very crime. Now you go look it up.
"Also, while you're at it. Look up what impeachment means. You don't even seem to able to use the word right."
While you're at it, look up 'moron' - you'll find you match the definition. - WhiteRaven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@muvment256,
The suspension of habeas corpus is legal and constitutional. Read the constitution. "unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." There are valid grounds for the suspension of habeas corpus. Grant suspended it when faced with the wide-spread terrorism of the KKK. Muslim extremists seeking to preempt the government and social fabric of the country are much the same. You can't impeach a President for following both the letter of the Constitution and precedence.
So, I suggest you try again. Can you come up with a REAL justification for impeachment? - WhiteRaven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@xlar54
Do have have any idea how much damage a *popular* President can do while doing popular things? Most of the rights we have lost have been lost to popular measures such as minimum wage, anti-discrimination and drug laws. All such laws are inherently and blatantly unconstitutional and rob the people of basic rights of self-determination... and are widely lauded by "the people".
An executive MUST have the power to make unpopular decisions for the simple reason that people are blind, stupid and selfish and will not choose a difficult path. Difficult paths are often the best paths. It makes no more sense to have methods of recall for Presidents than it does for judges. The very worst sort of leader is one that will only do what the people want... in fact, to call such a populace parasite a leader is an oxymoron. - WhiteRaven, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@xJVz,
Please explain *exactly* what you are talking about. Exactly what was done and how was it illegal. But skip the habeas corpus issue because you are simply wrong there. The constitution explicitly allows for it's suspension when faced by exactly the kind of threats terrorism poses.
"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it."
Terrorism is both a from of rebellion (seeking to reshape the country through violence) and in many cases is also invasion.
As for illegal spying... well, go ahead and make your case. The problem you will most likely run into is that all the laws that address the issue, such as the Wiretap Act and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act have so many caveats and qualifiers that it's almost impossible to know what is in fact illegal. - gigamugged, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Failure to defend the constitution (part of the oath of office that Bush has sworn to twice now) is high treason and absolutely an impeachable offense. Bush authorized illegal wiretapping, a blatant violation of countless peoples' 4th amendment. In ceasing said operation even the Bush administration has basically admitted it was illegal. Ergo, he comitted treason and should be impeached on that count alone.
- bearvsshawn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Well, for starters, He he took our Nation to War in Iraq under false pretenses. The Iraqi's don't even want us there. He lied to all of us. I will no longer support the party I've always believed in. The Republican Party. I'm sickened to have believed the !@#... His whole Presidency is a JOKE!!!!! 3500 of our Young men DEAD and Wives are now widows, Mothers burying their sons and many children without Daddies because of his personal vendetta against Saddam. Saddam was indeed a horrible man but what do you call yourself when you do what Bush has done? Perhaps a horrible man??? I'm embarrassed that I voted for the guy.
- bizchris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Here you go (stolen comment from another forum for expediency's sake - starts with Cheney, but you know where it would go from there):
The grounds of the proposed impeachment are that the Vice President:
1. fabricated a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction
2. purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda, and
3. has threatened aggression against the Republic of Iran absent any real threat to the United States, all in detriment to the national interest of the United States.
The text of the resolution, the articles of impeachment, and all supporting references can be found at http://kucinich.house.gov/spotlightissues/documents.htm. - WhiteRaven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@bizchris,
"1. fabricated a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction"
You have failed to be specific. What *exactly* was fabricated and how will you go about proving that it was a fabrication? What really pisses me off by this line of reasoning is that not only was none of the justification for the war *fabricated*, much of it was in fact true despite the baseless claims by detractors. For example, the claim that Saddam had sought yellow cake from Niger has stood up under all scrutiny. Wilson's lame claims to the contrary simply aren't credible. Aside from his questionable motives, he simply wasn't qualified to make a half way decent investigation. Hell, he didn't even have enough common sense to realize that fact that *he* didn't find anything is actually surprising. Did he expect people to just tell him they had been in talks with Saddam?
"2. purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda,"
The administration did no such thing. The relationship is and was real. You need to use a little common sense. Just because, for example, some Italians come up with documents that were forged does not suggest that ALL the documents were forged. In fact, those forged documents never played any part in the US's intelligence. Person B in possession of forged documents Y does not imply that person A's documents X are forged.
"3. has threatened aggression against the Republic of Iran absent any real threat to the United States, all in detriment to the national interest of the United States."
A nuclear weapons program is not a real threat? Declared intentions to wipe our entire countries are not a threat? Are you soft in the head?
Indecently, your link to Kucinich's site is broken. It looks like he's taken down those articles of impeachment. I wonder if it could be because they were so full of falsehoods that he's going to have to pretend he never made those accusations in the first place. - bizchris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The broken link was my bad (stupid period at the end) - here's the working one: http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm
We're clearly not going to convince each other on #1 or #2, but I will concede that for #3, it should have said "imminent" in there, as that's the differentiator for why we also shouldn't have gone into Iraq to start with (no IMMINENT threat). The argument still stands.
- muvment256, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3ok, I'll start:
- gback2000, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5I remember when I was young and I wrote "Impeach Now" in my sandbox. A few days later I learned that President Bill Clinton was being impeached. I was not angry at President Clinton I was just angry at my dad and wanted to impeach him. I hope that President Clinton will forgive me.
- Slacker1031, on 10/12/2007, -11/+11apparently you can't get impeached for killing thousands of your own men.
However if they're all in Monica Lewinsky's mouth, they'll send you down the river faster than you can say "spit or swallow" - nathanak, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5impeach what?
- cswnow, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7I'm suprised the dumbasses can even spell. Rosie O'donell the whale should come in and eat them.
You stupid peace wackos. Wait until a terrorist sets off a low level nuke on the east coast then you wankers won't know what to do. - RationalXubrnce, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Great idea, when Cheney is President everything will change!
- argotechnica, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The message is for Cheney, too. http://a28.org/
- cswnow, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5Think about how many of those smelly women down there. None of them shave their armpits or legs. Yuck.
- cswnow, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7Impeach Who? Pelosi or that jackass Ried? I'm all for it.
- Boing, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Impeachment will never happen, deal with it.
- msoule, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Imagine how huge the carbon footprint is from all of those cars...
Haven't those liberals heard of carpooling? -
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