Digg - 15 Percent Of Americans Won't Vote For A Black President

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barcelona10, on 08/09/2008, -35/+119I donno about this article... it makes a few assumptions about the electorate. So, McCain and Obama are in a statistical dead heat perhaps because of racism. That's quite a statement! just because people wont vote for Obama doesn't mean they are racist.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 08/10/2008, -18/+3715% of American's won't vote against a Black President.
  
  My own assumption.
  - nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -5/+14Well, if it's merely an assumption, then I doubt anyone would care.
    
    But if it's your hypothesis, conduct a study, publish your findings and methodology, have it peer reviewed, and then perhaps people will listen to you.
    
    In any event, the OP and perhaps yourself are mistaken about the NYT writer's assumptions. He bases his findings on polling data, and not assumptions.
  - Naieve, on 08/10/2008, -3/+5First off I'd like to say I think the study is being generous, there are a lot of older Americans who will not vote for a black President. I could see the number going as high as 25 percent.
    
    ned, this was not a study, his methodology was not published, it was not peer reviewed.
    
    Numbers can be made to say anything if you ask the question the right way to the right people.
  - iFrikkenR, on 08/10/2008, -2/+4Mac's right though. Just as there are white people who won't vote for a black president, there are undoubtedly black folk who will vote for a black president simply because he is also black - not necessarily because they don't like white folk either, but simply becuase they'd prefer a black guy like themselves
    
    So it probably all evens out
  - KJSatz, on 08/11/2008, -5/+2a. It doesn't even out--there are tons more white people than black people in the US.
    
    b. John Kerry got 88% of the black vote in 2004, and Obama is polling 89% right now. John Kerry is not black.
    
    c. There IS a difference between a white person ruling out voting for a black person mostly due to race and a black person voting for a black person mostly due to race.
- dafunkmonster, on 08/10/2008, -24/+30Of course it makes assumptions about the electorate. Its a NYTimes article. What do you expect? They simply cannot grasp the fact that, despite Bush being unpopular, the American public is not going to automatically jump into the camp of a politician who has only been on the national scene for less than a senatorial term, and therefore revert to accusations of racism. If they came out and said that 95% of black americans won't vote for a white president this election, and attributed it to racism, what would happen?
  - bejayel, on 08/10/2008, -2/+10they said that 89% of blacks plan to vote for obama, but it is not a big deal since 99% of those 89 voted democrat in the past anyway.
  - markusfarkus, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1Nothing would happen.
- ColinCampbell, on 08/10/2008, -15/+10All of this foolishness and worrying over Obama not performing better in the polls is simply a narrative on how divided the country is, it's not about a certain percentage of people being racist and not voting for a black president. Obama is going to wipe the floor with McCain through the Electoral College.
  
  CNN's poll has the race at a 5% spread:
  http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/
  
  A 5 point lead in the popular vote has historically led to landslide victories.
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/popula ...
  - Iztikeit, on 08/10/2008, -4/+1Maybe it is so divided that we get some sort of cultural or social revolution.
    
    Hopefully it won't be some socialist movement though.
  - homercles337, on 08/10/2008, -2/+5@Iztikeit, there no such thing as socialism in Amerikkka. There is no left. If you know anything about the political spectrum you would know that the Dems are right of center, Repugs are further right of center (actually, right in the middle of Corporatism). You can "cool your jets" about socialism, its as much of a lie as the Corporate Media being Liberal. Complete and total nonsense.
  - Wookie, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1The forced redistribution of wealth through taxation is one aspect of socialism.
    
    The reason our country is so divided is because the federal government is way beyond its constitutional limits and has a major impact on our daily lives when it was never intended to play that role.
    
    This has nothing to do with race or party, it has everything to do with the fact that whomever wins, 50% of this country will think "oh *****, here we go again..." as then rearrange their personal finances and situation to present the smallest possible cross section to all of the new government abuses of power we're about to see.
    
    As a citizen, I think the safest possible thing to do at this point is to vote for McCain. The combination of a Republican president and a Democratic congress means that not much will get done and what does get done will be the product of compromise, thus pissing of everybody, or nobody, depending on how you look at compromises.
- B08ama, on 08/10/2008, -6/+23I don't think that you read the article.
- nosecohn, on 08/10/2008, -4/+11The biggest fallacy about this article is that the race is a dead heat. That´s just a story that the media propagates to keep people tuned in. If we had a national direct democracy, it might be true, but given that we use the electoral college, the race doesn't look so close:
  
  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama ...
  - chicofaraby, on 08/10/2008, -5/+10That map makes it look like it's all going to come down to Ohio and Florida again.
    
    Diebold says.... "President McCain."
  - matthewbot, on 08/10/2008, -6/+3The funny thing is that the electoral college looks to favor Obama now and no one is complaining, but when it favored Bush it was horribly unjust, I mean, he didn't actually win the vote, remember?
    
    Fact of the matter is, its how the system works. I'm against Obama, but right now he's farther in the electoral college and I'm not whining about it.
  - nosecohn, on 08/10/2008, -0/+4"That map makes it look like it's all going to come down to Ohio and Florida again."
    
    Yep. Michigan and North Carolina could be big too.
  - mchisari, on 08/10/2008, -2/+2
    That's an incorrect reading of history and assumption about people's anger about the 2000 election.
  - ChuckDees, on 08/10/2008, -0/+3See there never was a legal recount in Florida.
    Because during the first machine recount. (which was mandatory because of the margin of victory)
    Some counties in Florida refused to do it.
    They just resubmitted the numbers, they had already come up with.
    This one point alone is proof there wasnt a legal recount in 2000.
- jorichter, on 08/10/2008, -8/+6I thought everyone was trying to "keep race out" of the elections? Both candidates have said that (Hilary too when she was still running).
  
  People should try to focus on the issues and forget race. Articles like this don't really help. It's one thing having to acknowledge that racism may play an (ugly) role in the campaign. But it is another thing just speculating.
  
  Obama for president.
  - BrandonP63, on 08/10/2008, -12/+4both candidates say it. but barack hussein obama keeps brining it up.
  - jorichter, on 08/10/2008, -4/+7@BrandonP63
    If you are going to lie at least learn to spell.
    
    Here is McCain playing the "race card" recently.
    http://www.racewire.org/archives/2008/08/mccain_pl ...
    
    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/mcca ...
    
    And if you disagree with the issue of race being involved why do you throw in the "Hussein" when everyone knows it's a "touchy" subject.
  - Iztikeit, on 08/10/2008, -3/+3Race doesn't exist.
  - nosecohn, on 08/10/2008, -2/+4Like it or not, race is an issue. Next time, I'm not voting human.
  - homercles337, on 08/10/2008, -2/+3Race will never be left out. Im fairly liberal and i personally know racists that will not vote for Obama because he is a ... Race is an issue. If you find me a single black man/woman willing to vote for McBush i will show you a shill.
  - Biller13, on 08/10/2008, -2/+0@Jorichter. Obama brought up race saying he 'looks different' and some other comments. He's tried to avoid talking about race for whatever reason but in this case he brought up first and McCain jumped on it.
  - Biller13, on 08/10/2008, -4/+4Blacks are voting for Obama because he is redistrubting wealth, in past elections blacks overwhelmingly went for democrats and having a black candidate is just icing on the cake.
    
    In 2006 # of people below poverty level in this country in thousands:
    white 24,416 10.3%
    black 9,048 24.3%
    hispanic 9,243 20.6%
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104525.html
    
    When people hear they are going to get free money in their pocket from those hard working Americans making more than them they are going to vote for that candidate.
- DeviateSeptum, on 08/10/2008, -4/+14"just because people wont vote for Obama doesn't mean they are racist."
  
  This doesn't even come to play in the article. Nor would the author say this. Your reading comprehension is low.
- flink405, on 08/10/2008, -9/+25If 99% of black people vote for Obama does that mean they are racist?
  Would one write a headline "In 2008, 99% of blacks won't vote for a white President"?
  - brundlefly76, on 08/10/2008, -6/+18In this matter the point is moot because blacks largely vote democratic anyway.
    
    Besides, voting for someone who best represents your interests isn't racist.
    
    Personally although the article says that black voters tend to vote democratic anyway ignores a huge fact that I think this election will see unprecedented black *voter turnout*.
  - BrandonP63, on 08/10/2008, -7/+2ditto to brundlefly76.
  - mchisari, on 08/10/2008, -4/+8
    Do a google search and find out for yourself how much of the black vote Bill Clinton recieved. Then come back and tell me that the 90% voting for Obama won't vote for a white person.
  - duffman03, on 08/10/2008, -4/+1There hasn't been a black candidate before. Black voters only choice was to vote for white candidates in the past. But what percent of black people voted back then? What percent of black people vote now? It would be interesting to see how many blacks register to vote for a black candidate... Although it may not matter because everybody, not just blacks, are getting sick and tired of the way things are being run under the republican administration.
  - ZenMojo, on 08/10/2008, -4/+199% of blacks aren't voting for Obama. He's only getting 89% of the black vote, which is about how much John Kerry and Al Gore got.
    
    But he's getting more than 70% of the Hispanic vote, which is more than Kerry and Gore and Clinton got. Guess that makes Hispanics racist against white people?
  - Wookie, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2@brundlefly76
    
    So if black people aren't racist, then we should have seen an even split of black voters going for Hillary and Obama in the primaries right?
    
    Go check how black voters voted in the primary and then come back to me and say that they "vote Democrat" anyway and therefore aren't racist.
- ginarnold, on 08/10/2008, -8/+13My advice to people who think race is not a factor is to dress up someone white, as a middle class black and have them shop some upscale shops and see the reception. I own a small retail shop in the deep south and we have some black customers and it is easy to tell, when they are greeted like everyone else, their appreciation. Racism is alive and well. That is one of the reasons I hope Obama is elected.
  - Kas70, on 08/10/2008, -4/+4It's a shame you are getting dugg down for telling it like it is. I applaud that you can see what some people refuse to. That is where change begins.
  - 140Suffolk, on 08/11/2008, -1/+4What a stupid reason to vote for someone.
- Mononuclear, on 08/10/2008, -2/+2Let me preface with racism is a problem and there are too many people who will base their vote on racism. That said the assumptions here are quite a stretch. Of course people think that others are more racist than themselves so when asked the question if those you know would vote for a black president of course many people would say no They figure either a) I am not racist but a lot of people I know are worse than me and wouldn't or b.) I wouldn't vote for a black president and there are plenty of people worse than me. I know people I don't think would vote for a black president but that doesn't mean they would or wouldn't. Why not ask those people instead of basing a poll on the assumptions of what someone thinks their friends would do? Basing the statistics off what people THINK other people MIGHT do is not solid evidence of anything.
- TimeIsTissue, on 08/10/2008, -3/+7i remember a digg topic being submitted a month or two ago saying that 90% of americans wouldnt mind having a black president
  - mchisari, on 08/10/2008, -2/+5
    "Wouldn't mind" and "voting for" are different things, don't you think?
  - Vector713, on 08/10/2008, -2/+2I remember seeing that too. I'd like to be able to compare the two studies.
- jack12345678910, on 08/10/2008, -1/+1obviously its racism. obama isnt really that great except for his speeches, but anyone who isnt a ***** should beat mccain right now. for those who think obama is so great, do you think any of his magical promises are even possible. or that he can change the administration? obama is a teamplayer, he has always been. he does what is most beneficial to him, and if it helps others then great, if not then it doesn't worry him so much. one things for sure, obama is very intelligent. but whether that is good for us or not remains to be seen.
- LeeSoong, on 08/10/2008, -3/+1The econ'my is in the toilet ?
  
  I've never seen no plants growin' out of a toilet !
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbxq0IDqD04
  Brawndo's got what plants crave !
  
  VOTE President Camacho '08 !
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxJnf5tkfoo
- busterpratt, on 08/14/2008, -0/+1All the poles are horribly flawed. How many here on dig even have a land line, and any that do are probably on the no call list. Half the people I know don't even have a home phone, just cells.
  They can't call cells to poll. This whole segment of the population is now completely unreachable for polling. The only people they can reach are those that have land lines, are at home a majority of the time and are too dumb to sign up for the no call list. I.E. the elderly who are most often Republican.
- Paulginz, on 08/22/2008, -0/+1If people won't vote for Obama BECAUSE HE'S BLACK, then they are racist.
  If people people consider race an important factor when choosing a candidate, (heck, even a factor at all), that's racist.
  
  The polls are pretty specific.
  Plenty of people who aren't racist will vote for McCain, I'm not making generalities, but the data presented in this article adresses the issue of race specifically.
  
  Anyway, everyone knows there's still plenty of racism in the US (on all sides, but particularly among rednecks). To pretend that such a thing won't influence elections goes against common sense.
sungoddess808, on 08/09/2008, -39/+6I certainly hope it has nothing to do with racism. Here we have one major candidate who has no experience whatsoever and happens to be what some consider a minority, and we have another that has experience, but is so old, he may not live long enough to attend the inauguration, or if he does, may not be able to make sound decisions for our country. So what are we supposed to do? I'm all for having a black man as President! I'm going to write in Zaibatsu!!! =)
- azAZ09, on 08/10/2008, -5/+4I think I've heard this subtle myth before.
  McSame may more "experience" from age, but his record shows a history of mostly bad, sometimes scandalous decisions, without learning well from them. His leadership skills are questionable.
  Obama may have less experience, but a record of better decision making. Obama, may not be from an admirals family, but he--according to his answers to the generals in Iraq--he has a better mental grasp of the role of the president in the context of a command structure.
  The greatest challenge facing the next president will be the reconstruction of the constitution. Who has the better experience for that, the ex-military republican victim-hawk, or the former Harvard Law professor?
  - Shoegaze99, on 08/10/2008, -5/+1Just a helpful hint: when you use idiotic, childish nicknames, it saps the weight from your argument and ensures that a good chunk of people won't even bother to listen to what you have to say.
    
    Hope that helps.
    
    (No, I'm not voting for McCain.)
  - jack104, on 08/10/2008, -3/+1McSame, McBush, McLame, McDonalds......we get it, at least show the man the respect he's earned by addressing him properly. I don't call Obama Obigwindedpussbag do I? No, have a bit of tact.
  - azAZ09, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1Oh. now the names matter? WTF? For months partisans kept calling Obama, Osama, or over emphasizing his middle name. Now it is disrespectful and not before?
    
    hypocrites
- QuadZeroRoute, on 08/10/2008, -5/+1sungoddess808 said, "I'm going to write in Zaibatsu!!!"
  
  So you are going to stick us with a socialist no matter what then.
Armor1901, on 08/09/2008, -55/+13515 percent of Americans can rot in hell
- secrity, on 08/10/2008, -25/+32More like close to 50%; the ones who voted for Bush -- twice.
  - wexmajor, on 08/10/2008, -29/+14... everyone who voted for Bush is racist now? What is this stupid *****? Buried.
  - gdehms, on 08/10/2008, -9/+16He's talking about the percentage of Americans that can rot in hell; he's included the ones that voted for Bush. I can't believe I had to explain that.
  - abarkett, on 08/10/2008, -11/+2There is no reason why wexmajor's interpretation of that statement was less correct than yours gdehms. Think about it.
  - LeeSoong, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Diebold computers have no soul,
    the are the immortal machines -
    they can not go to hell.
    
    OBEY. SUBMIT. CONFORM.
    
    Your Digital Masters demand it.
  - saigumi, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2Actually, I would put the blame solidly on the heads of the under 24 crowd. They are extremely vocal about not wanting Bush back for round 2, but so few of them actually go out and vote.
    
    So !!!REMEMBER!!!!, because this is very important, the 50% of American's who voted for Bush are not 50% of all Americans. They are the 50% of the > 25% who actually got off their butts to vote.
    
    If you have the right and don't vote, stop bitching about the outcome.
- zarcu, on 08/10/2008, -13/+315% are pending or are in the KKK.
  - Shoegaze99, on 08/10/2008, -1/+10You realize the 15% number was a guess by the columnist, not the actual results of the poll, right? Or did you not bother to read the actual piece and instead focused on the misleading headline?
- danthemanhan, on 08/10/2008, -3/+11check out this website. I was surfing, and came across this, and had to do a double take when i first read it, because i thought they were joking. i then started lurking, and it's appalling that these people find nothing wrong with what's being said. they have 140000 members. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
  - maxgoedjen, on 08/10/2008, -1/+4That scares the hell out of me.
  - WorldGroove, on 08/10/2008, -0/+4lol @
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/bla ...
    
    (and yes, this is too scary)
  - CCUboogernjit, on 08/10/2008, -0/+4holy crap
  - absurdist, on 08/10/2008, -0/+5Which is why if you're a leftist in this country, and you're not armed and vigilant, you're a damned idiot. Some people you simply can't reason with.
- solid12345, on 08/10/2008, -12/+24But black Americans voting for Obama just because he is black is not racist in itself either?
  - kayala, on 08/10/2008, -16/+12There's a huge difference, skippy. A black person might vote for a black candidate because he sees in that candidate something like himself, something that gives him inspiration and makes him think that he could be there someday. A white person who refuses to vote for a black candidate regardless of any political issue is simply a racist who thinks that black people should not be permitted near the Presidency. See?
  - hurricanewane, on 08/10/2008, -10/+4There is not a huge difference, douchebag. A black person might vote for him because he is black is no diferent than NOT voting for someone because he is black. Just because he sees something like himself doesn't make his vote more valid. The fact is most people don't know the issues and vote solely on personal feelings such as similarity to candidate, age, race, religion, peer pressure, etc. Votes are rarely based on sound justifiable educated fact-checking reasoning, votes are emotional. Racism is just as prevalant in the black community as the white, don't kid yourself.
  - nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -8/+7Blacks didn't benefit from 250 years of slavery and structural racism.
  - Ryan32, on 08/10/2008, -3/+19nedz your wrong.... Blacks were the ones selling other blacks into that system. Educate yourself.
    
    Besides, I am behind any African American or any race that wants equality all around. I am completely against any race who thinks they deserve reparations for something that didn't happen in their lifetime.
    
    Equality means equality, not "you owe us for what people with your skin color did to people with my skin color 75 years ago".
  - solid12345, on 08/10/2008, -3/+5The point is people divide themselves into factions, whether black or white.
  - Kas70, on 08/10/2008, -6/+2Ryan32,
    Africans didn't travel the world over seeking buyers for their kinsmen. SOME tribes participated but not to the degree which exempts or diminishes the guilt of those who did the buying - the john is just as guilty as the piimp. It must also be mentioned that the type of slavery their kinsmen were being sold into was not conceived of (life long, race based, religion/culture/heritage/language/familial rights stripped, etc.).
    
    You are a fool if you believe that once the Emancipation Declaration was declared that everything was fine from then on. You apparently have no relatives who were lynched or had homes burned down for daring to try to vote. You apparently have no relatives who had few options other than portering, shoe shining, and domestic housework to choose from as careers. You apparently have no family who recall the shame of sitting the the balcony, back of the bus, or watching your respected family members treated and talked to like children by whites who thought it was funny. You apparently don't know what it's like to have the white members of your army unit put up in a hotel while you have to go clear out of town to where they would accommodate you and hope you made it back in time in the morning. You apparently weren't like my brothers who were treated like crap when the schools were integrated. You don't know what it's like to have your home toilet papered and to be generally harassed right out of the home your family is trying to buy in a nice (white) neighborhood - where all the home equity was to be found. You apparently don't know what it's like to be a teenager in the 80's ashamed of your college educated father shining shoes at the airport. You don't know what it's like to work a prestigious makeup counter and have the white customers tell you that they don't want your black hands touching their faces or their credit cards. I could go on forever...
    
    Jim Crow only ended 40 years ago, and everything about it was tied to slavery. The whites who were against equality are not all dead and the blacks who wanted equality are also not dead. The whole issue is not dead. When people deal with that fact, progress will one day be made...
  - kayala, on 08/11/2008, -1/+1hurricanewane, the hissy fit is not necessary.
- thewildvinci, on 08/10/2008, -9/+4boo hoo
  
  according to this fact, theres still 85% who will vote black.
  whatre you complaining about people, america isnt the only place that has peple who dont like black people`
- Kanidia, on 08/10/2008, -4/+5The digg article title is inaccurate:
  
  "If the percentage of white voters who cannot bring themselves to vote for a black candidate were only 15 percent, that would be more than all black voters combine"
  
  Notice "IF"
jbenson2, on 08/10/2008, -56/+26I'm not voting for the O-man because:
1.) Even though government is too big, he wants to grow it
2.) Even though taxes are too high, he wants to raise them
3.) Even though Congress spends too much, he proposes more
4.) Even though we need more energy, he is against producing it
5.) Even though we are finally winning in Iraq, he wants to forfeit

Does this make me racist? According to the thin-skinned Obama-maniacs, it does.
- Khanvalescent, on 08/10/2008, -6/+25Typically this is why I voted for Republicans. Unfortunately our Grand Party has been crashed by the spendthrifts, interventionist hawks, and religious right.
  
  I'm loathe to quote Michael Moore, but he wrote, "Democrats openly say they are going to ***** you, and Republicans say they aren't - but then they do."
  
  Until the republican party returns to its fiscally conservative, small government, low tax roots, I'm going to vote for the guy who at least wants to end our Billion dollar expense called the Iraq War.
  - TJATL, on 08/10/2008, -2/+2Bob Barr?
- jarjarwang, on 08/10/2008, -19/+8I like how you repeated the part about "Even though." You really are such a persuasive and intelligent internet nerd. Really tugs at my heartstrings.
- kayala, on 08/10/2008, -7/+15Yeah, that's totally right, Mr. Benson. Obama wants us to LOSE THE IRAQ WAR! He HATES AMERICA! He'll STEAL YOUR MONEY!
  Idiot.
  - TinternAbbot, on 08/10/2008, -9/+2Democrats stand to gain politically from failure in the Iraq War. That doesn't mean they hate America, but they would be able to capitalize on a loss in a way they wouldn't in the event of victory.
  - bobbyi, on 08/10/2008, -0/+3> Democrats stand to gain politically from failure in the Iraq War.
    
    Not really. Obama would look even better and make Bush look even worse if he came to power and then suddenly things started going terrifically in Iraq.
- jack104, on 08/10/2008, -8/+4True that.
- astromodder, on 08/10/2008, -10/+7Couldn't have put that better myself, jbenson2.
- Sfenton, on 08/10/2008, -10/+6jbenson1, people are only digging you down because you have a good point. While what you said is vague, it touches on the points in which why I will be voting come this election.
  
  To all the people digging him down, he has a point.
  
  To all the people that will be backing Obama and arguing with facts, I will 1+ you.
  
  We should encourage quality arguments.
  - Cybrwolf, on 08/10/2008, -1/+1WRONG! I dugg him down because Iraq can't be won! We should never have been there, in the first place!
    
    More war will completely cripple America, and I feel sorry for you, if you are too blind to see it.
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -4/+71.) Even though government is too big, he wants to grow it
  
  For example?
  
  2.) Even though taxes are too high, he wants to raise them
  
  On people making over $250,000 a year. The same tax level for them before Bush took office, cut their taxes, blew our surplus, jacked up the national debt, and sent the economy into a tailspin.
  
  3.) Even though Congress spends too much, he proposes more
  
  For example?
  
  4.) Even though we need more energy, he is against producing it
  
  He's against drilling for a miniscule amount of oil off our precious coastline and pristine wildlife areas. Instead he proposes we lead the way in exploring new sources of energy production.
  
  5.) Even though we are finally winning in Iraq, he wants to forfeit
  
  There's nothing to win in Iraq. It was never our business to be there to begin with.
  - Mothrog, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2"For example?"
    
    Socialized medicine? Free health care isn't free.
    
    "On people making over $250,000 a year."
    
    Ah, that wonderful line. What about his proposal to raise capital gains taxes to 25-29%? The wealthy aren't the only ones with investments.
    
    "He's against drilling for a miniscule amount of oil off our precious coastline and pristine wildlife areas."
    
    The outer continental shelf has only slightly less than the world's most productive oil field, Ghawar field.
  - Navigator7, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1øßama represent the biggest redistribution of wealth the world has seen.
    The proof?
    Do you listen to øßama talk?
    
    In order for øßama to accomplish his agenda, he must "take" from the producers of the is nation and give to those who have not earned nor produced.
    
    øßama's is a patently unfair ideology, embarrassingly liberal, embarrassing to the black community and devastating to what makes America great in the first place.
    A nanny state with socialist overtones that will only lead to corruption, poverty, starvation, upheaval and civil war.
    
    Want a good example of øßama's ideology in action?
    
    Take the olympics athlete Phelps. Take all the awards, all the money, all the endorsements and all the benefits Phelps earned during the Olympics and spread the wealth equally amongst his teammates and all the rest of the participants.
    
    That is øßama's ideology and liberalism in a nutshell.
- Navigator7, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1@jbenson2,
  LMAO...you are digged down for pointing out precisely the reason many people aren't voting for øßama.
  Too funny.
  
  The blacks are turning this election into a popularity contest ... It's as cheap as chosing sides for soak-em in school.
  Never mind øßama's ideology stands for everything I oppose.
  
  Is there a black man alive who thinks a white man could vote for a black man?
  There are plenty of black guys I would vote for not because they are black but because what they stand for.
  What is hard to understand?
  If øßama espoused the ideals I believed in, I'd vote for him!
  He doesn't!
  So I won't.
  
  Racism in this election is being promoted by liberal blacks.
Charun, on 08/10/2008, -22/+168I would bet that those 15% was going to vote for a republican regardless.
- dafunkmonster, on 08/10/2008, -26/+7The public school system has served you well, has it not?
- pr0phet491, on 08/10/2008, -8/+31Actually not all of them, my grandma is a huge democrat and refuses to vote for a "n*****" as she calls it...i hate that bitch :(
  - Lyk4n, on 08/10/2008, -7/+8Kill her. :)
  - SwedishNinja, on 08/10/2008, -3/+20She's probably a pre-LBJ Democrat, back before the 1960s, the Democrats were staunchly racist, supported segregation, etc. No reason to hate her, she's just from a different time.
  - seantubridy, on 08/11/2008, -0/+7"No reason to hate her, she's just from a different time."
    
    Being old doesn't get you a free pass to be a racist.
- XeXers, on 08/10/2008, -14/+11I'm white and in my books Obama actually gains a few points because he is black. I think its about time America has a non-white president. It will likely do the country a lot of good.
  
  I think a female president will also be good for America, but Hillary was not the one to fill that role.
  - jinling, on 08/11/2008, -1/+2I don't know why you are getting dug down (May the reason is all the Hillary supporters?), but I totally agree with you.
  - Mothrog, on 08/11/2008, -2/+2"I think its about time America has a non-white president. It will likely do the country a lot of good."
    
    In other words, you're also a racist.
  - mengland, on 08/11/2008, -1/+1In this day and age, just NOTICING that someone even has a skin color is completely racist.
    You racist.
    
    I see right down to the red muscle.
- Yusayoh, on 08/10/2008, -2/+4were*
- koreth, on 08/10/2008, -4/+1Ah, so you didn't read the article, then? It covered that.
- ParasyteStuie, on 08/10/2008, -6/+10In my experience, 99% of the time ignorant racists are republicans.
- TVarmy, on 08/10/2008, -1/+2Moral of the story: If we get Alan Keyes to run for president, the GOP loses 15% of their base. Let's flood the 2016 primaries with his name. Plus, his policies are so wacky and so far right, he wouldn't attract the moderates and the independents, securing a second group of people. If we have a white person running for the dems, this guarantees them a victory.
- webwatch, on 09/20/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately its not just the Republicans. The just released polls say that one third of Democrats too have racial misgivings about African-Americans.
  http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political ...
Marc39, on 08/10/2008, -48/+70Doesn't matter since most racists are Republicans who wouldn't vote for any Democrat, black or white.
- dupems, on 08/10/2008, -16/+29Most racists are Republicans... Yeah that's not a retarded generalization at all. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone said most societal parasites are democrats.
  - publiclurker, on 08/10/2008, -17/+12What's the matter, hit a little too close to home?
  - DeFex, on 08/10/2008, -13/+10No, most CEOs are actually republicans too
  - Marc39, on 08/10/2008, -15/+6I wouldn't care since I'm not a Democrat. I didn't say most Republicans are racist so stop getting your panties in a wad. The people who will not vote for Obama wouldn't vote for ANY democrat. Race just isn't an issue in this contest.
  - sysop073, on 08/10/2008, -8/+1There's absolutely no way you're going to try and argue that Republicans aren't more oppressive of minorities than Democrats. Nobody disagrees on this, they just disagree on whether or not it's ok
  - Math, on 08/11/2008, -3/+1Conservative parties all around the world have always campaigned on anti-immigration and strong law and order platforms, which both often walk a fine line with racism, and often court underlying racist sentiment.
    
    These are generally some of the core-beliefs of the conservative side of politics (Probably less so with the neo-conservative movement).
    
    More liberal parties sometimes make these arguments, but definitely less so.
  - tankrunner1123, on 08/20/2008, -0/+0Maybe he worded it wrong but majority of White Supremacists vote and are either registered Republican or Constitution Party members. Black and Hispanic Supremacists are usually Democrat, Independent or Socialist.
- jayzDigga, on 08/18/2008, -0/+1And keeping your so called constituents addicted to welfare and a system that doesn't work is not racism?
AmyVernon, on 08/10/2008, -12/+76But 85 percent would, then..
- dafunkmonster, on 08/10/2008, -4/+8So why is it that its still a dead heat? Hmmm. Seems like the Times missed something.
- fluoro, on 08/10/2008, -4/+585% would vote for a black guy. But I think the conditional on that is that he's a good candidate. If it's a dead heat right now, that implies that about 50% of the people who would vote for a black guy are actually going to vote for Obama, and 35% are either voting for someone else or are not voting.
  
  I'm still not sure I buy into the 15% statistic. It seemed that they leaped from 5% to 15% in a kind of sketchy leap of logic that didn't immediately make sense.
  - nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -1/+485% "would" or "would not".
    
    15% "would definitely not"
    
    See a difference?
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -1/+4Shouldn't it be 100%?
  
  Why should race matter so much to that 15% that they wouldn't vote for a black candidate under any other condition?
- TVarmy, on 08/10/2008, -0/+2It should be 100%, but in this specific rate, we need to look at a more elusive, complicated figure. That would be what percentage of people would vote for a white man with Obama's policies and campaign style, but not for the real, black, Obama. I suspect that figure is less than 1 percent.
  
  This would be a key figure if a black republican ran for president, but it seems unlikely. The only guy I could think of to do it is Alan Keyes, and I don't think he really wants to run for president.
SRHadden, on 08/10/2008, -17/+7I highly doubt the accuracy of that poll, but I think that people that ignorant aren't going to vote anyway.
- EtherGnat, on 08/10/2008, -3/+6"I think that people that ignorant aren't going to vote anyway"
  
  You haven't been paying attention, have you?
- Shoegaze99, on 08/10/2008, -1/+3Doubt the accuracy of the headline, then. The poll indicates 5%. The columnist surmised it might actually be 15%. The headline makes the 15% seem like it's fact; it's not.
- maxgoedjen, on 08/10/2008, -1/+2If only that was the case.
ObamaWins08, on 08/10/2008, -18/+90I wonder how many black Americans will vote for Obama simply because he is black? Seriously...

I wouldn't blame them for it. I imagine that I would do the same thing if I were in their shoes... I would think it would be great to feel like someone more like me will be making decisions that effect me.
- xptweakerntn, on 08/10/2008, -23/+5Perhaps you should do some thing that affect you. Seriously... like learn to spell?
  - vimbuza, on 08/10/2008, -1/+7some thing =/= something. Glass houses etc. etc...
  - Shoegaze99, on 08/10/2008, -1/+6A finely-crafted response. You make some excellent points and have given us all something to think about with your insightful observations. Bravo.
- fluoro, on 08/10/2008, -5/+28You wouldn't blame people for voting Obama just because he's black? Why? How is a racially-motivated vote in favor of a black guy somehow better than a racially-motivated vote against a black guy? Why does the someone "more like me" have to be like you because of skin color? Why can't we Americans pick someone who doesn't suck based on good policy? Obama and McCain both suck horribly in this area.
  - KJSatz, on 08/11/2008, -4/+1History makes it different.
  - nick1971, on 08/11/2008, -2/+1For me his skin color is secondary. However having chosen him for his policies I see his race as icing on the cake, in terms of the USA's social evolution. Maybe with Obama as president Martin Luther King's dream is one step nearer being realized.
    http://www.juntosociety.com/hist_speeches/mlkihad. ...
- demonicume, on 08/10/2008, -5/+3honestly, not many would vote for him just because he's black. most blacks will vote for him just because he's democrat. but the real question is all the stupid hispanics who voted for G-Dub because he was outwardly christian. I heard hispanics at the management and directorship level claiming they would only vote for a real christian. seriously.
- Biller13, on 08/10/2008, -5/+1A lot of people are voting for Obama because he's black. It's different and they think that by America having a black president it will show how much progress we have made and be a huge step in the right direction. If I want to vote for McCain because hes white I would be a racist. Thats hypocrisy.
  - vision777, on 08/11/2008, -0/+0The article is about some whites have a problem voting for blacks. Close to 100% of blacks that vote have voted for a white person to win but for some reason some whites will not vote for a black to win.
- Sinnic, on 08/11/2008, -3/+2'I would think it would be great to feel like someone more like me will be making decisions that effect me.'
  
  Racist.
bluevillage, on 08/10/2008, -13/+16I think there will also be a reverse Bradley effect: a lot of people who wouldn't admit in public or to their neighbors that they'd vote for a black man will vote for Barack in the privacy of the voting booth.
- mrpither, on 08/10/2008, -1/+4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
- BrandonP63, on 08/10/2008, -0/+3doubt it. if PC went the other way then I would consider it.
  - sulthernao, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1It happened in the primaries, so it isn't a far off assumption.
  - Morchades, on 08/10/2008, -0/+2It does go the other way. Ever seen those mainstreamers so proud to be "politically incorrect"? I know I avoid discussions about race and gender and sexuality with my family and a lot of the people I work with for fear of causing a fight and being branded a PC thug.
    
    It goes the other way, in a HUGE way.
KDX200rider, on 08/10/2008, -26/+21Playing the race card, what a surprise. In case this nitwit has forgotten, the last two presidential elections were very close. So why should this one be different. Does he think most conservatives are going to simply role over and say oh well I guess we should vote D instead of R this time? I like to think most people vote with the head, and don't fall for the kind of crap this guy is pushing. People like this can try to make it out that BHussienO is a shoe in, I think it is going to be close.
- insinuate, on 08/10/2008, -3/+10I love how you fox news watchers love to keep throwing in there how the guys middle name is Hussein.
  
  Instead of trying to make America think he's related to Saddam, why not make a case against his proposed policies? Oh wait, that would take an actual thought process, sorry.
- rabidg00se, on 08/10/2008, -3/+9Good move using only his middle name. Very classy.
- kayala, on 08/10/2008, -1/+7I'm sure a person of your moral fortitude wouldn't be caught dead referencing Barack Obama by his middle name in order to incite a racist animosity against the man. Indeed, a person of your strong character could only be hoping to differentiate between this Barack H. Obama and the other, equally well-known Barack Frederick Obama. It's really quite confusing, trying to keep the two separated, so we just refer to one as BHusseinO (and sometimes misspell it, revealing our own lack of intelligence) and one as BFrederickO. Right?
afruff23, on 08/10/2008, -22/+8I wouldn't...then again I wouldn't vote for anybody.
- Rotzooi, on 08/10/2008, -7/+3You are dumb.
  - afruff23, on 08/10/2008, -1/+5For not supporting a system based on violence?
moulin1, on 08/10/2008, -6/+20I keep hearing "african americans vote democratic anyway so what difference does it make how many vote for Obama". What these commenters fail to account for is the record number of new voter registrations. Both african american and young voters were disenfranchised. They voted for no one in the past. In a presidential election a 5% margin is a landslide. But if these formerly disenfranchised, and now enthusiastic, voters make up, say 10% of the electorate that has never been counted before it is a whole new world.
- gobbleplex, on 08/10/2008, -5/+7No matter, the republicans will just have to step up their efforts to 'scrub' the voter rolls to make up for the added enthusiasm.
- dafunkmonster, on 08/10/2008, -3/+7I'm voting for the first time this election, and I've never been called to answer a poll via telephone. I seriously doubt the Times will be able to handle the actual vote count come November. It will not be as "in the bag" as they thought.
- Kas70, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Even if EVERY black person of voting age voted for O, it would still be less than the 13% of the population that blacks currently make up.
  
  And there would be more people voting this year anyway because Hillary was running. Blacks have always been very supportive of whoever the Democrat is, and women of all races want to see a woman succeed to the White House one day.
RVDsb, on 08/10/2008, -14/+3I bet 75 percent of Americans will vote for a Black President.
burchie2, on 08/10/2008, -28/+15Racism is just the next in a line of excuses for a campaign by Obama that is running out of steam quickly.
- acrodev, on 08/10/2008, -5/+11Running out of steam? McCain is still running on the original steam engine.
  - dafunkmonster, on 08/10/2008, -6/+3You Lose! Good DAY sir!
UltramegaOK, on 08/10/2008, -4/+83Is it that hard to give us some ***** details about the poll?

What age groups were polled?
(There is a big difference in political opinions between 18 year olds and 68 year olds)

Where did they live?
(It could be a "liberal" city like Seattle or a "conservative" city like Dallas)

How were they polled?
( Internet users seem to be more left leaning. If it was a telephone poll nobody under 30 would even bother to answer it.)

Until the media starts providing details like this, I will continue to call ***** on these retarded statistics.
- AchaIemoipas, on 08/10/2008, -0/+9But then they'd have to make real polls. Those cost money and don't sell well.
  - BrandonP63, on 08/10/2008, -0/+6haha ditto. you can't make up many news stories about what people REALLY think.
datwunkid, on 08/10/2008, -4/+12Vegeta!, what do the polls say about his power level?
- insinuate, on 08/10/2008, -1/+9>9000!!!
poprocksandsoda, on 08/10/2008, -16/+7It's only a statistical dead heat in public polls where people want to appear to be trendy and non-racist. Once they get into the booth where no one can see them I imagine the final numbers will result in a landslide win for McCain. Even with a 15% lead the Left had problems winning office, but now I think it's fair to say McCain is a lock.

As a Republican, I was willing to vote for Kerry until he took on Edwards ... and Obama once he's had more time to build a better track record. Right now, he's not ready for the job. A Kerry-Obama ticket however ... that would have certainly been good.
- vault, on 08/10/2008, -2/+3"A Kerry-Obama ticket however ... that would have certainly been good."
  
  Yeah about as good as a Mao-Stalin ticket.
EatingPie, on 08/10/2008, -14/+48The statistics questions this was based on is completely bogus.

"Would PEOPLE YOU KNOW not vote for a black person?"

That's 100% assumption right there in the answer, and yet the author of the piece calls this a "more accurate" view of the US electorate. Give me a break.

-Pie
- pantone286, on 08/10/2008, -2/+12..........
  
  -Tone
  
  (lol..... oh yeah my name is to the left of my post)
- s0crates82, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1. . . I was told there would be punch and pie.
- AManWithNoName, on 08/10/2008, -1/+6UNTIL YOU QUIT SIGNING YOUR POSTS, I WILL CONTINUE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!
- ukrainial, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1It is also a standard technique in polls to reduce the fundamental attribution error.
  
  Few people would answer "yes" to "Are you a racist?", however if someone answers "yes" to "Do you think most people are a little racist?" they are probably superimposing their own belief on the majority, because we assume most people think mostly like us.
  - ukrainial, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Here's what I'm talking about:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus
- Kas70, on 08/10/2008, -1/+1I disagree. The question gives people an "out" so that they can claim that they know people less "enlightened" than they are - they who WOULD consider voting for an AA. They can "claim" all they want but who their friends are and the fact that people's true colors come out when they are alone in the voting booth does gives substance to the author's views...that the numbers are probably much higher than we would like to believe.
vexingmodstwo, on 08/10/2008, -23/+36A very lame attempt to scare some Democrats into voting for Obama. Contrary to liberal opinion, Obama gives plenty of reason for people not to vote for him that don't include his race. This entire argument's premise is: "Obama is so great the only reason someone wouldn't vote for him is race." To that I say: "***** you"
- Spektr4, on 08/10/2008, -8/+10That's not the premise. The premise is that a certain percentage of voters won't even weigh Obama's pros and cons, because they've already decided based on his skin color. And it's not just Republicans doing this.
  - vexingmodstwo, on 08/10/2008, -1/+2Oh, it's the premise alright... no one is willing to admit it, but that's the premise.
  - jjacksonRIAB, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1I understand that premise, Spektr4. The problem is the vast majority of people vote based on image. Is race any worse a metric than namesake or age, or looks or even personal history? I know some people who will vote for Mccain just on the fact that he was a P.O.W and served in the military, and there are definitely some ethnocentrists in just these responses saying that they'll vote for Obama because he is black.
    
    Does any of this have anything to do with the important issues that face our country?
    
    I don't think so, but nevertheless it just goes to show why I am pretty cynical when it comes to democracy.
- hierophantus, on 08/10/2008, -4/+6Furthermore, you KNOW that's not the premise. Your disingenuous arguments disgust me.
DeskFlyer, on 08/10/2008, -1/+1
- vexingmodstwo, on 08/10/2008, -0/+5If Obama was white, he would still be a State Senator (if that) in Illinois.
  - QuadZeroRoute, on 08/10/2008, -1/+2If Obama was white he never would have become a state senator. The senate seat he holds is in a black district.
- denizen42, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1wtf
- Sornos, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1I am commenting on a deleted comment.
mach32, on 08/10/2008, -21/+46about 98% of blacks won't vote for a white president this november.
- gobbleplex, on 08/10/2008, -12/+20Since the white guy is a Republican, this is surprising how?
- B08ama, on 08/10/2008, -8/+6***** read the article.
  - mach32, on 08/10/2008, -1/+4take a pill
- DrunKao, on 08/10/2008, -8/+12That's because he's republican not white.
  - MelroseMan, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1Sorry but the obvious doesn't get far.
- quidpro, on 08/10/2008, -8/+3Thank God.
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -9/+7You deliberately mislead.
  
  A large percentage of white will NEVER vote for a black candidate.
  
  An overwhelming majority of blacks have voted for a white candidate in every election since blacks have been allowed to vote.*
  
  * NOTE: Blacks have not always been allowed to vote in this country.
  - quidpro, on 08/12/2008, -0/+1Some idiots are voting this comment down? LOL. What is there to disagree with? Do you disagree with the idea that there are whites who will NEVER vote for a black candidate? Or do you guys think black people have just been sitting back for decades, not voting, because there has never been a black candidate for them to vote for?!
    
    morons.
- TVarmy, on 08/10/2008, -0/+3There were black supporters of Hillary. Of course, Hillary was proposing the kind of policies that appeal to that demographic. More black voters supporting Barack was likely because of the same reason most democrats went with him, plus some relatively minor allegiance.
  
  For statistical purposes, I really want to see a black neoconservative republican run for president in my lifetime and see how the demographics go. I guess that could be Condi Rice or Alan Keyes, or maybe someone not famous yet. It would certainly test a lot of myths about demographics, such as how racist white voters are, how much black voters favor black candidates, etc. Of course, each election is statistically a case study, so the debate would still continue.
  - ZenMojo, on 08/10/2008, -0/+4Alan Keyes did. No one voted for him in the primaries.
  - ZenMojo, on 08/10/2008, -0/+7Actually, in 2004, Carol Moseley-Braun and Al Sharpton together couldn't pull even a quarter of the black vote in the Democratic Primaries. One thing's for sure, blacks don't vote their race.
- Kas70, on 08/10/2008, -0/+2You mean like they have every other time???
jhamal33, on 08/10/2008, -23/+0
- dafunkmonster, on 08/10/2008, -2/+9LOL you're going to get buried for being ignorant. Good job.
kru1e, on 08/10/2008, -7/+14he's black?
- Rotzooi, on 08/10/2008, -2/+2Yes, Stephen Colbert, he is.
- burjzyntski, on 08/10/2008, -1/+2somewhat.
- zigardne, on 08/10/2008, -0/+4HALF
  - Kas70, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1So he gets treated half white? Please...
- VBDon, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1I thought he was Irish. Maybe he should add an apostophe to his name (that's O'bama for the druggies for democrats crowd).
allnone, on 08/10/2008, -7/+2And we have a lot of them in SC, but we also have more Democrats now, so that can offset it. Most of these people were probably Republicans anyway, so it isn't surprising. I don't see most Republicans excepting any woman, or black man in a LONGGG time.
- haylel, on 08/10/2008, -0/+5it's accepting
- barbiesnow, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Even more in TN. Obama hasn't bothered much to campaign in our state, it is almost easier to vote for Barr to take away the votes from McCain.
cgbspender, on 08/10/2008, -10/+33Trying to guilt-trip people into voting for somebody is despicable.

I guess you'll find 15% will not vote for women, men, white people, Chinese, candidates younger than 70, demented old circusmonkeys, ...

If you vote for someone or want others to vote for you candidate, why not focus on the real issues instead of throwing superficial crap? That would be real change.
- B08ama, on 08/10/2008, -5/+1You've just suggested that it would be better if not _all_ of informational articles are written. The point of journalism is that they list the facts. If that sways voters, so be it, but it sways voters because of what is and what isn't, and not necessarily the opinion of the journalist. Now, I feel better after reading this article because I know that I'm not as ignorant as whoever didn't read it.
- michael43, on 08/10/2008, -1/+2I misplaced my glasses, and when I first read your comment I thought you said demented old circumcised monkeys. lol, After reading it again though, I still agree.
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -4/+2I totally agree with you about the superficial crap, like race. Why don't you explain that to the 15% of Americans who will never vote for a black man because of his race?
- moulin1, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1C'mon be fair to the candidates. If there were an old circus monkey running I think we all know who our next president would be.
ryan83189, on 08/10/2008, -5/+18This poll sucks. It is rigged and worded to get the result they want. 5% != 15% The second poll was unscientific "They asked the same whites if most of the people they knew would vote for a black candidate. Nineteen percent said that those they knew would not." Everyone knows_that_guy and he is not exactly a slice of the modern demographic, many people were probably incorrect in their assumptions too, I know I was wrong about some people I know. Then to top the cake they state that 90% of black voters are voting for Obama, which is about the amount of those who are true democrats, this is true, but he fails to realize the HUGE amounts of turnout from the black community that did not vote before, they are finally proud of a candidate and feel like their vote counts. Obama is going to re draw election maps, polls like this mean little.
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -1/+3Even if it is 5%, that's still pretty despicable.
  - sulthernao, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1It surprises you that 5-15% of Americans are racist? I'm not at all shocked.
  - nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1It doesn't surprise me, it bothers me.
- theillest1, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1Who you callin a Rigger?!?
dandylion13, on 08/10/2008, -4/+1350% don't vote for a white president.
- pantone286, on 08/10/2008, -2/+2...because 100% of the candidates suck ass.
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -1/+1In which election did that take place? As far as I can tell, about 100% of presidential candidates receiving 100% of the vote have been white.
Rudegar, on 08/10/2008, -3/+5wonder how large a % would not vote for Yoda if he ran on account of not being human?
- slvrbullet87, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Considering how many people bitch about McCains age i guess alot
Pinkertinkle, on 08/10/2008, -4/+915% of the country wouldn't vote for a senile president either.
- tomarocco, on 08/10/2008, -2/+3The senile 15% would.
- hohomi, on 08/10/2008, -0/+0you are taling about age-ism?
- beth1970, on 08/13/2008, -1/+0So I guess YOU will not be running then, correct?
JohnMcCain2008, on 08/10/2008, -17/+9You can bet your ass I won't be voting for that Hussein guy. I'm John McCain, yeehaw!
- TrevorBelmont, on 08/10/2008, -3/+2Grow up.
pantone286, on 08/10/2008, -10/+8i am sure 15% is very conservative estimate.
ellectronico, on 08/10/2008, -7/+13That number is low i think. i bet its closer to 25%
SillyDigger, on 08/10/2008, -11/+6Obama isn't black. :)
- michael43, on 08/10/2008, -11/+4you're right, he's actually sort of a turd brown.
- slvrbullet87, on 08/10/2008, -0/+3As Carlin said (talking about Tiger Woods)
  
  There is alot more to being black than they color of your skin.
sweetwater88, on 08/10/2008, -3/+6It's not just the white voters. Hispanics also have a bias against blacks as well (again not all Hispanics but a good portion).
- sulthernao, on 08/10/2008, -1/+1Which is why Obama is winning Hispanics 2:1. Hell, he's even winning the younger Cubans. Don't make crap.
jesushchrist00, on 08/10/2008, -13/+28I want to know these numbers ... what percent:

- are voting for a guy BECAUSE he's black
- are voting for a guy but can't name one of his policies
- are voting for a guy because he promises 'change', is good looking, or is a good speaker
- support redistribution of wealth
- want to punish Big Oil companies like Exxon, even though they ONLY made 11 billion profit on 130 billion revenue while the government made 30 billion in taxes on that revenue already.
- BrandonP63, on 08/10/2008, -9/+7exactly. i know tons of libs who are voting for barack hussein obama because he is black but have no idea what he stands for. he brings "change". he supports "punishing" the wealthy who sit around all-day and plot to screw the common man.
  
  college is becoming more damaging than helpful.
- halsey7, on 08/10/2008, -4/+9When people hear they can get money taken from working Americans and "redistributed" to themselves, they will line up to vote for it. The country has turned into a nation of leeches with a huge sense of entitlement. If Obama wins, it will be because of these people.
- MelroseMan, on 08/11/2008, -1/+1So... um did you find out?
- CarterInNova, on 08/11/2008, -3/+0that is 11 billion in one quarter, which is the largest profit any company, regardless of revenue, has ever made.
  
  Politics aside, if you think Big Oil isn't robbing you blind, you are a fool
SemiSarcastic, on 08/10/2008, -10/+11ALL Democrats are homosexual, womanizing, smart, caring people. ALL Republicans are closet homosexuals, bible thumping, blood thirsty racists.

Assumptions are TOTALLY in this election season!
- brokenwatch, on 08/10/2008, -2/+2How will the human race reproduce if we're all gay? Will Ralph Nader's children be the only remaining breeders?
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -1/+2Well, there's a difference between assumptions and data.
- TVarmy, on 08/10/2008, -1/+2Bob Baar favors gay cloning.
ghindo, on 08/10/2008, -8/+1415 Percent of POLLED Americans SAY they Won't Vote for a Black President

Buried as innaccurate
- Shoegaze99, on 08/10/2008, -0/+8Even your corrections are inaccurate. According to the poll in question, the accurate number is 5 percent. The 15 percent number was invented by the columnist; it's a number pulled out of the air so he could make a point, not the actual results of the poll. Zaibatsu, the person who wrote the Digg headline, either has poor reading comprehension or is trolling for controversy.
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -3/+1You and the 7 people who have dugg you have never heard that polls are based on random sampling, and generally do reflect general sentiment.
  
  You'll cover that when you guys take statistics in 7th grade.
akchrs, on 08/10/2008, -9/+13That’s just how white folks will do you." ~ Barack Obama
Mateo2, on 08/10/2008, -2/+3Well, I would definitely vote for a black president, but if I was answering the second question I would probably say that a lot of people I know (living in the south) would not. People who live in cities don't understand how common racism actually is. People have been trained to not say racist things against blacks in company, but there are even places in the south where that still happens. Hispanics, however, are free reign for racists, or even "normal" people.
- retske, on 08/10/2008, -1/+0I am from the South and have lived in both cities and rural areas; saying such a statement is nothing more than arrogance. You feel you are smarter and better than everyone in the South. Maybe it is just the company you keep that is racist.
- TrueSecrets, on 08/11/2008, -0/+0I live in a very small southern town and honestly I rarely encounter racism from white people. I'm not saying they aren't, they could be. But open racism almost always comes from black people.
  
  Even then, there are the small things like honors and generals classed that are almost all one race and self segregated lunch tables.
  
  Honestly Obama's race seems to be getting him more votes from my friends, but it is high school, so maybe that explains it.
EffYoo, on 08/10/2008, -6/+5Obama's strong support in the primaries was built on intagible qualities of change and hope. People will inevitably read into this the kind of change and hope that they want in government. Now that the general election has rolled around Obama needs to be more specific with his policy proposals and in doing so will show that he isn't the kind of change and hope that some people wanted him to be. As Obama is forced to become more specific in outlining his policy proposals this will curb the enthusiasm of more and more of his supporters.

Meanwhile McCain has a long term independant streak in the senate and people who aren't paying much attention are more inclined to just trust someone who has been a moderate in the past than express a preference for someone that they're unfamiliar with. As the general election gets closer and these types of people start paying more attention McCain will lose much of their support when they find that they're unhappy with the more conservative policies that he has been pursuing in this campaign.

McCain has more potential to lose support in the next couple months than Obama does. Obama just needs to minimize attrition while McCain hangs himself with his efforts to convince the conservative base to get out and support him.
refisawanker, on 08/10/2008, -9/+7This poll is ridiculously flawed. Asking "how many of you know someone you think won't vote for a black person" is a misleading. Statistically there is going to be some overlap. One racist voter might know three people who were polled. That gives a very skewed view.
- Shoegaze99, on 08/10/2008, -2/+4I'm trying to figure out why you've been dugg down for making an entirely accurate statement.
  - refisawanker, on 08/10/2008, -0/+3Eh. Who knows. Probably because someone assumes that in some way it disagrees with their political view. When in fact it has nothing to do with race or politics. Merely the methodology of the poll.
    
    But regardless of your political views or social views on the electorate, it's a flawed poll. Most often it's done as a manipulative move to prove a point.
    
    Example: Go to your local high school and ask everyone to raise their hand if they know someone who is/does/ has ________ ( drugs, had sex, steals from their parents).
    
    You''ll always get a large portion who will raise their hands giving you the impression that whatever the issue is must be an epidemic. It gives the false impression that each hand represents a different individual.
    
    No one actually tracks the overlap. How many of those raising their hands are all referencing the same person?
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -2/+2Yeah, but do you really doubt there are that many racists in the country? I don't.
- retske, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Sorry I made a similar statement below. Didn't mean to repeat you. You are right though.
- Kyan, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Are you an idiot? When you do a nationwide poll, you don't poll 200 people in one city or even 20 people on the same block.
  - retske, on 08/10/2008, -0/+0Actually the bigger the group the more likely chance or overlap. Refisawanker is right. Whether they polled 10 people or everyone in the US, it doesn't change the fact that the poll is flawed.
    This isn't an anti-Obama thing, it is a bad poll thing. If the original question of "Would you vote against a candidate because he/she is black?" came up with a 19% anti-black number, then it would have been worth investigating. The fact that original question only got 5% anti-black number means that it isn't worth investigating, because even the largest and most well thought out studies have a margin of error of 2-3%, on average. Assuming this study was amazing done and the margin of error is 1-2%, that would mean that at most 7% and at least 3% are anti-black voters. Not worth the news.
    This is a race-baiting story. Trying to make whitey look like the devil.
Ajd9784, on 08/10/2008, -3/+12Ok to somewhat back up this article from my own personal experience. I was watching tv with my mother and a Pro McCain add was playing and of course I was rambling on about how he is a super moron. And this is what she says to me, no joke... "At least he looks like an American."
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN??
Blast all of the uninformed racist honkeys.
I mean I was shocked, my mother has never made any racist comments in her life until now?? WTF mate!
- rframpton, on 08/10/2008, -2/+0racist honkeys? Your mom said that or are you saying that?
  - Ajd9784, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1No, I was saying that in a sarcastic manor.
- MrFurious2k, on 08/10/2008, -2/+1So - you're basically throwing your mother under the bus along with Obama. Nice.
- reallyandrea, on 08/11/2008, -0/+2Regarding your mom, you have to remember Barack's Race Speech: "These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love." Keep telling yourself that. (It must be a shock coming from your mom, though.)
  
  When people close to me make bigoted statements, I gently try to enlighten them, if I can get over the shock. Sometimes it's like a slap in the face.
credential101, on 08/10/2008, -3/+13I wonder what's the percentage of black Americans that won't vote for a white candidate if another major party candidate is black. I bet it's a lot higher than 15%.
- Kas70, on 08/10/2008, -0/+3Well hell, that happens often enough to do more than just speculate, doesn't it?!
  
  For your information, there have been other blacks who have run for office and not garnered enough of the black vote to matter much. Read some history, and not just the stuff they fed you in grade school.
ZerawBanned, on 08/10/2008, -12/+1That doesn't matter. Illuminatus Barrack Hussein Obama will be your next president because THEY decided that he will. Elections are useless in this case...
- ZerawBanned, on 08/11/2008, -0/+0You can digg me down as much as you like but you can't deny the TRUTH.
jamessavik, on 08/10/2008, -7/+6I'm sure there's some racism out there but my problem with Obama is that he an inexperienced person with very little track record.
- mach32, on 08/10/2008, -5/+3and he thinks his ***** don't stink
- cadmiumpaint, on 08/10/2008, -1/+4Bush had experience. look where that got us.
- nedzeve, on 08/10/2008, -2/+1I'm sure there some racism closer than you think.
DownIsTheNewUp, on 08/10/2008, -6/+3Warren G Harding was a Negro!
- 10ofDiamonds, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Ditto Lincoln
- krystofr, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1Regulators... mount up!
usingpond, on 08/10/2008, -4/+5What's the big deal? All of those people are die-hard Republicans anyway. Wasn't even worth the electricity to post this article.
michael43, on 08/10/2008, -16/+11If he loses, it'll be because he is black. If you don't vote for him, it's because he's black. If he gets a toothache, it'll be because he's black. If a bird ***** on his windshield, it'll be because he's black. Is anyone else sick of this poor, poor, pitiful me syndrome? I'm not voting for him. I think he's inexperienced, he talks change but doesn't say what, he's a racist himself and he disrespects the freedom our military has fought and died for. But I could live with all that, I'm just not voting for him because he's black.
- javabeanwill, on 08/10/2008, -5/+2I couldn't agree with this any more. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how everything bad that happens to a black person is simply due to the color their skin. There is definitely a lot of racism in this nation and a lot of it is towards white people. I remember when I used to work retail and if I didn't hand a credit card back to a black person the way they wanted me to I was called a racist. If they came into the store with a coupon that expired 6 months ago I was accused of not accepting it because they were black. There is definitely a lot of hatred in this nation towards white people from blacks.
ModernChem, on 08/10/2008, -8/+2I would say that the uncertainty surrounding Obama's religious beliefs will lose him more votes. But he has plenty of votes to lose.
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