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"Get FISA Right" response to Senator Obama on myBO
my.barackobama.com — Our response to Senator Obama's July 3 statement. Also posted elsewhere.
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- benintn, on 07/07/2008, -3/+59http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
Verizon Says It Turned Over Data Without Court Orders- richjensen, on 07/07/2008, -0/+14But THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW!
- richjensen, on 07/07/2008, -2/+48But THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW!
- pintomp3, on 07/07/2008, -2/+14that's ok. if you are a poor person crossing the border in order to feed your family, you are breaking the law and should have the book thrown at you. if you are a corporation who is voluntarily helping the government violate the constitution, you will be given immunity and a pat on the back.
- Nevermor7, on 07/14/2008, -0/+1Here is the response I received when I asked Mr Obama to explain himself:
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Obama for America Correspondence Team wrote:
Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting us and sharing your strong feelings about this important issue. Please find a statement from Senator Obama below.
We appreciate hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Obama for America,
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Given the grave threats that we face, our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists before they strike, while respecting the rule of law and the privacy and civil liberties of the American people. There is also little doubt that the Bush Administration, with the cooperation of major telecommunications companies, has abused that authority and undermined the Constitution by intercepting the communications of innocent Americans without their knowledge or the required court orders.
That is why last year I opposed the so-called Protect America Act, which expanded the surveillance powers of the government without sufficient independent oversight to protect the privacy and civil liberties of innocent Americans. I have also opposed the granting of retroactive immunity to those who were allegedly complicit in acts of illegal spying in the past.
After months of negotiation, the House passed a compromise that, while far from perfect, is a marked improvement over last year's Protect America Act. Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue, but the President's illegal program of warrantless surveillance will be over. It restores FISA and existing criminal wiretap statutes as the exclusive means to conduct surveillance - making it clear that the President cannot circumvent the law and disregard the civil liberties of the American people. It also firmly re-establishes basic judicial oversight over all domestic surveillance in the future.
It does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I voted in the Senate three times to remove this provision so that we could seek full accountability for past offenses. Unfortunately, these attempts were unsuccessful. But this compromise guarantees a thorough review by the Inspectors General of our national security agencies to determine what took place in the past, and ensures that there will be accountability going forward. By demanding oversight and accountability, a grassroots movement of Americans has helped yield a bill that is far better than the Protect America Act.
It is not all that I would want. But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as President, I will carefully monitor the program, review the report by the Inspectors General, and work with the Congress to take any additional steps I deem necessary to protect the lives - and the liberty - of the American people.
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Paid for by Obama for America
*HOW IS THIS CHANGE?
- kroses, on 07/07/2008, -3/+52AT&T did the same thing, and that's also against the law!!!
"We The People" should not tolerate such indefensible behavior! - glibpaxman, on 07/07/2008, -13/+8you guys and your respect for "the law." so silly. except for the laws that we do respect of course. those laws are important.
- onNYTurf, on 07/07/2008, -5/+16Recommend it at DailyKos too if you have an account there:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/6/184729/9388 ... - GhostyBoy, on 07/07/2008, -4/+84I'm not really much into Obama, but I am really ***** impressed with his supporters who have chosen to give him hell about this. Seriously guys, fantastic work on kicking ass for civil liberties.
- revisrev, on 07/07/2008, -3/+37I am really much into Obama, and I am likewise impressed with my fellow Obama supporters. I won't vote for McCain, but if Obama doesn't do a much better job of explaining why he must vote for this, or if he doesn't change his mind about it, he can forget my vote. The movement and Obama made each other and played off each other's synergies, but I don't think he can win without the support of the movement he co-opted. He told us to keep him honest, and that's what he's going to get. I'm convinced that he thought the July 3rd blog post he made would settle the issue, but he's quickly learning that the media got it wrong. This is not a cult of personality, it's a political movement, and he can be a big part of it, but he can't be above it.
All of that being said, tentatively speaking, Obama '08.
*Disclaimer: I won't change my mind about Obama, but Obama may change my mind about him.- NoStoppingUs, on 07/07/2008, -24/+5Now if they could just do that with..ohhh..every other sentence that comes out of his lying mouth?
- canyoudiggitman, on 07/07/2008, -5/+8Barack Obama - Change you can believe in, if you're gullible enough.
- MattB123, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4Well said!
I think a lot of people entrenched in the old way of doing things (politics) just can't understand that a candidate's own supporters can actually think and talk like this. We are not just blindly following a man because someone told us to, we are supporting new ideas and new ways of doing things and this man is the one who looks like he has the best chance of making it happen. But if it turns out he's not, the ideals can live on and hopefully be brought to reality by another. This is how it should work. - Terr01, on 07/07/2008, -4/+1The other way of looking at it is this way:
At what point should liberals worry about having "Obama" do to "Democratic" what "Bush" did to "Republican"?
- Stormwern, on 07/07/2008, -4/+1I doubt Obama will be as impressed, it's not a very coherent argument to a lawyer. With any luck an educated person will write a really good response, and not just a list of standardized talking points.
- fluoro, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Sorry but this isn't a test of their writing skills, it's a test of Obama's comprehension skills. If he's not impressed and doesn't "get it", then he's the one who will be most immediately hurt by that in terms of support and votes.
Of course, in the long run all of us will be hurt by it when this law goes into effect.
- fluoro, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Sorry but this isn't a test of their writing skills, it's a test of Obama's comprehension skills. If he's not impressed and doesn't "get it", then he's the one who will be most immediately hurt by that in terms of support and votes.
- revisrev, on 07/07/2008, -3/+37I am really much into Obama, and I am likewise impressed with my fellow Obama supporters. I won't vote for McCain, but if Obama doesn't do a much better job of explaining why he must vote for this, or if he doesn't change his mind about it, he can forget my vote. The movement and Obama made each other and played off each other's synergies, but I don't think he can win without the support of the movement he co-opted. He told us to keep him honest, and that's what he's going to get. I'm convinced that he thought the July 3rd blog post he made would settle the issue, but he's quickly learning that the media got it wrong. This is not a cult of personality, it's a political movement, and he can be a big part of it, but he can't be above it.
- rturney, on 07/07/2008, -4/+50Every senator who votes for the FISA bill will be violating their oath of office. What a joke!
- rturney, on 07/07/2008, -5/+38...Except the joke's on the American people and Democracy.
4th Amendment
1776-2008
RIP- nosecohn, on 07/07/2008, -0/+151791-2008 actually
- fyngyrz, on 07/07/2008, -3/+1Actually, it was 1776-1978.
Because FISA is itself 100% unconstitutional.
Why? Because it authorized surveillance WITHOUT a warrant; the warrant comes afterwards.
The fourth amendment requires probable cause first, support by oath or affirmation, in ORDER to get a warrant, and ONLY then, with WARRANT in hand, can surveillance begin.
FISA is purest garbage law, made by people who are either constitutionally illiterate (and hence unqualified to make law in the first place) or conspirators against the constitution.
If Obama votes for this bill, he loses my vote, period. I'm not voting for another Bush in sheep's clothing.
- Bagos1, on 07/07/2008, -22/+50Obama is just another ***** politician. He doesn't care about you....just your vote to get to the goodies.
- craignazor, on 07/07/2008, -3/+52The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.
- Patrick Henry, American Revolutionary (1736-1799)- bpoteat, on 07/07/2008, -7/+1rulers?
- craignazor, on 07/07/2008, -5/+26This is not about Obama, it is about us. He said so himself.
- zebco, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6Well, as the presumptive democratic nominee, it IS about Obama. Don't be fooled. It's about his stance on it, where his support for it falls, how he would handle this situation if he were to become president and, most importantly, how he views personal liberties, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
It IS about Obama. If he weren't possibly going to be the next President of the United States of America it might not be...but make no mistake, this is about him in many ways.- Bagos1, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Considering he is considered by many to be the leader of the free world..and ours....yes it is about Obama and his positions.
- Bagos1, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Considering he is considered by many to be the leader of the free world..and ours....yes it is about Obama and his positions.
- RomeyRome, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3He also said we all need to work together & help each-other out. Read: Pay more into the bucket.
- zebco, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6Well, as the presumptive democratic nominee, it IS about Obama. Don't be fooled. It's about his stance on it, where his support for it falls, how he would handle this situation if he were to become president and, most importantly, how he views personal liberties, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
- tw3k, on 07/07/2008, -9/+3No FISA modernizations!
- yellowcakewalk, on 07/07/2008, -21/+16He's just another right-wing Democrat. Feh.
- glibpaxman, on 07/07/2008, -4/+35this isnt about Obama its about freedom and liberty, and not Freedom and Liberty like when King George W speaks, I mean freedom and liberty like when Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, or Martin Luther King Jr spoke. This is about more than my identity as an American, this is about my identity as a person and not allowing that to be trampled all over so some rich guy with his high powered attorneys won't go to jail.
- alapoet, on 07/07/2008, -2/+27Senator Obama, the people who support you and who believe in you are speaking loudly and clearly. I believe you will hear them and will uphold your promise to oppose any FISA bill which includes immunity for the telecommunications companies which unlawfully went along with President George W. Bush's program of warrantless wiretapping of ordinary American citizens.
http://realitycatcher-alapoet.blogspot.com/2008/06 ...- Bagos1, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2This is just the beginning. You'll see this on every issue with him....or just about anybody else. They are on the same page, you do the voting and then you don't get to read the book.
- kenjonesmd, on 07/07/2008, -13/+8He will wing it as he goes, throw it out and see if it sticks, do polls, become like Bill Clinton and re engineer what he said, not show up for votes. He lacks the experience, so has to make it up in charisma. His speeches are nothing if not already written for him. Where are the Good Candidates? I am aware that neither he nor McCain have officially been nominated. I wonder if the Conventions will produce some surprises. The country is in deep trouble financially no matter which candidate is elected.
DrKen- zebco, on 07/07/2008, -1/+5Obama does, in fact, write the majority of his speeches.
Where are the good candidates, you ask? Shouldn't you have asked that about 2 years ago and not after the nominees are presumably picked?
Or are you happy just sitting on the sidelines watching every one else get involved with politics and you just point out what they're all doing wrong? - fyngyrz, on 07/07/2008, -1/+1The good candidates were Paul and Kucinich. Where are they? In the same irrelevant backwaters the mass media made sure they could never get out of from day one. Is this news to you?
- zebco, on 07/07/2008, -1/+5Obama does, in fact, write the majority of his speeches.
- cashman57, on 07/07/2008, -10/+33I have to wonder how many lies will it take before people see him as a liar?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Now anyone who actually read that would conclude that the people have a right to be secure, as in no government sniffing, unless a warrant is issued with a complete description of what it is they are seeking.
That OBushma went along with this and so many other usurpations of our rights and unconstitutional acts should be enough to convince people to vote third party.
Only with a very strong third party showing can we convince the parties that we are finished with their violations of us and we are tired of the lack of security in our persons papers effects and homes.We are tired of the second amendment being described as something that can be infringed. We are tired of wars without end and without declaration.
If either OBushma or McSame wins we will see more of these violations because they will see their election as proof we accept what they are doing and want more of it.- Sairynn, on 07/07/2008, -6/+3Might want to update your rant, the SCOTUS just verified Second Amendment rights. OBushma is rather silly too, but no more juvenile than McSame I suppose.
Otherwise, good post.- cashman57, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2He will continue the same stupid Bush policies, what would you call that?
Change?
Did you read the SCOTuS decision?It still allows for our right to be secure and to keep and bear arms to be infringed.
You need to update your knowledge of what really happened.
- cashman57, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2He will continue the same stupid Bush policies, what would you call that?
- Sairynn, on 07/07/2008, -6/+3Might want to update your rant, the SCOTUS just verified Second Amendment rights. OBushma is rather silly too, but no more juvenile than McSame I suppose.
- Fangsinmybeard, on 07/07/2008, -8/+10Too bad this will never make it ot his ears. He's being told to please the corporate backers by performing public phallatio and to back the telecom immunity.
- joshuasawyer, on 07/07/2008, -2/+11Join if you have a facebook "Senator Obama - Please, No Telecom Immunity and Get FISA Right ": http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17961184023
- Loonacy, on 07/07/2008, -3/+3Obama: "I was going to sign this new bill until I realized hundreds of people on Facebook were against it. Thank God for Facebook to show me the error of my ways."
- yellowcakewalk, on 07/07/2008, -3/+20Don't forget to call your own senators TODAY. Marylanders, Mikulski is pro-telecom-immunity, give her five across the face
http://mikulski.senate.gov- kevxross, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2Done, thanks. I also emailed Senator Cardin, but there was a server error when I submitted it, so I may try again.
http://cardin.senate.gov/contact/
- kevxross, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2Done, thanks. I also emailed Senator Cardin, but there was a server error when I submitted it, so I may try again.
- stretta, on 07/07/2008, -2/+31Telecom immunity in a nutshell:
1) They want to spy on US Citizens.
2) They want to do it without oversight.
3) The HAVE been doing 1&2 even _before_ 9/11
4) Telecom immunity will shut down the lawsuits that would expose #3- wendelgee2, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3This bill will only shut down immunity to civil lawsuits, not criminal.
- jgzman, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Criminal suits can only come from the government. I seriously doubt they will press any.
- wendelgee2, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3This bill will only shut down immunity to civil lawsuits, not criminal.
- stretta, on 07/07/2008, -1/+10It is bad enough the current administration knowingly authorized a blatantly unconstitutional program, but now we're going to set a disturbing precedent where a president makes his actions retroactively legal.
But, don't listen to me. Listen to Snuggly, The Security Bear:
http://www.markfiore.com/spies_who_love_you_0 - FrankWP, on 07/07/2008, -1/+5We have had and will continue to have to FIGHT for EVERYTHING good, including the OUR Bill-0f-Rights! If your not up to the fight, in this case, pressuring Obama and others, to FIGHT FISMA, then never ever call yourself a patriot, because true patriots lead and join the dissent, not continually bitch.
So if all you want to do is bitch, then move on so true patriots can
take action.
And Senator Obama, if you can't join us in the FIGHT, then what WILL you do once your elected and face much tougher issues? - nontoxyc, on 07/07/2008, -3/+27I'm going to Denver to Mile High Stadium to PROTEST Obama's lies. I voted for him in the primary and he tricked me! I call SHENANIGANS
- yellowcakewalk, on 07/07/2008, -1/+15See you there, friend.
- PolishLogic, on 07/07/2008, -4/+9That's the sign of a good politician. Sadly, being a good politician does not equal being a good leader.
- breckinshire, on 07/07/2008, -1/+5Evil shenanigans!
- zebco, on 07/07/2008, -1/+8I think people should hold this man to his words. He gained a lot of votes by telling people how much of a 'different' kind of politician he is and now we're all finding out it was just a shell game....a bit of the old bait and switch, if you will.
He's lucky he has the nomination now because as much as I dislike Hillary, I may have leaned towards her.
Either way, this man has tarnished his reputation irreparably in my opinion. FISA was all it took for me to see him as a typical, double-talking politician.
- dafragsta, on 07/07/2008, -0/+17It must be tough to be in the midst of an extremely heated presidential race in which you've painted yourself as a near-perfect anti-politician, only to realize you are still a politician.
- Snuff99, on 07/07/2008, -6/+1He didn't paint himself, he has stated many times in the books he has written that he is well aware of his many imperfections and fears the media will paint a different picture and voters will take the bait hook, line, and sinker. And that's exactly what's happening...
- dafragsta, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2"near-perfect anti-politician" I didn't say his was perfect. The emphasis would also have to be on "anti-politician" part. He never really talks about why he voted for the patriot act either.
- Snuff99, on 07/07/2008, -6/+1He didn't paint himself, he has stated many times in the books he has written that he is well aware of his many imperfections and fears the media will paint a different picture and voters will take the bait hook, line, and sinker. And that's exactly what's happening...
- Badandy127, on 07/07/2008, -5/+17This is the change that you've all been yelling about for the last four months. All the hope, all the change. You've been positioning Obama to be "different" than all the other politicians.
You were wrong.- Albear89, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6We on the other hand, were correct, Obama Sux. Digg me down. Hope and change = empty promises ..
- breckinshire, on 07/07/2008, -4/+14Is "My BO" really what you want to call your website?
- kosser, on 07/07/2008, -7/+6Lets see if your messiah will fail you. I'll be Nostradamus and predict he does fail you through inaction.
- Volstraav, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2I love it when people make exaggerated blanket statements about an entire group of people.
What do they call that again?- giveupsin, on 07/07/2008, -2/+0Anti-Christian. That's what they call it.
- kosser, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1i like when people make responses about something other than the person they are commenting on originally said. i did not make a blanket statement about an entire group. I just made a statement about obama and he will most likely fail. Obviously i hope im wrong but i doubt it.
- Volstraav, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2I love it when people make exaggerated blanket statements about an entire group of people.
- Hetman, on 07/07/2008, -3/+4This is just more BS. I am certian that this bill will not be brought up again till after November. And Guess what after november there will be nothing anyone can do to stop it.
- zebco, on 07/07/2008, -1/+8This is kind of a twist in the game. Usually, candidates wait until they get INTO office before turning their backs on their supporters. I lost much respect for this man in the past 2 months since he's (presumably) obtained the nomination. But I am glad that his supporters are holding their own on this issue. If they give him a pass on FISA, he'll take a pass on everything else he wants to do in the name of status quo and keeping the republicans happy to get a few votes.
- Hetman, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6This is just more BS by politicians. This bill will not be mentioned again till after november. And then it will be to late for anyond to do anything about it. The 2 party system has failed.
- Barackalypse, on 07/07/2008, -5/+12Just like I predicted Obama would support FISA with immunity, I'll predict right now the only thing your plea to Obama is going to bring is a response as to why he voted for it. You're wasting your time with him. How many Patriot Act's does he have to re-authorize and how many FISA's does he have to vote for before you realize the only reason you like him is because he gives a good speech and isn't Bush?
- coolgod, on 07/07/2008, -10/+3If you have nothing to hide then why are you worried about being spied on, if your doing nothing wrong then you won't be spied on, NOW, if you're in your basement watching pedo porn or doing drugs or w.e is illegal these days then yes come to dig and complain some more.
Fact is: The Government will not give a ***** or even bother spying on you unless you give them motif!!! In our lifetime we have spied on at least one person for dumb reasons, the government will spy on if you give them a reason to, and as far as I am concerned the only people who should be worried (like the ones here) are the ones doing ***** they should not be doing in the first place. I support this because there are to many ***** doing ***** all over the U.S...YES YOU!- Hetman, on 07/07/2008, -1/+9Good for you. Standing up for the police state. I like your thinking. I think we should have a vidoe camera in everyhouse. If you have nothing to hide why worry about it. /sarcasm
- stretta, on 07/07/2008, -1/+2Myopic, foolish and history does not agree with you. In fact, FISA came in to existence in 1978 to guard against executive branch abuses (both Democratic and Republican) of the NSA.
There NEEDS to be judicial oversight.
You can't have a democracy with this legislation. It is the foundation of a tyranny. - actionscripture, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Face the telescreen and stand at attention; it's time for the Two Minutes Hate.
I have nothing to hide and I don't need to prove it to you or anyone else. Just ***** off and let me live, would you?
- rationalbeats, on 07/07/2008, -4/+7Obama already told you to ***** off, why do you still even try?
- chrispr, on 07/07/2008, -1/+12The group opposing FISA on his website has over 20,000 members.
Will he ignore them?- rationalbeats, on 07/07/2008, -2/+14yes, Obama has already said he is sticking by his position 2 times now. His second response was exactly the same response he gave 3 weeks ago.
Obama supports spying on US citizens, and he supports legalizing the last 6 years of the Bush administrations illegal spying programs.
He has said it twice now, and told his supporters to ***** off.
He said, and I quote, "In a dangerous world our government needs to be able to do things to protect us."
You know who has used that justification for the last 8 years to dismantle the Constitution? George Bush.
Obama is just another condescending lead by fear coward!
- rationalbeats, on 07/07/2008, -2/+14yes, Obama has already said he is sticking by his position 2 times now. His second response was exactly the same response he gave 3 weeks ago.
- iancgi, on 07/07/2008, -5/+11Watch him ignore you while you continue to lick his boots. Grow a backbone people this man is a shill.
- riseabove, on 07/07/2008, -2/+6do you people realize there is no 4th amendment currently in this country and that it has been suspended for over a year? this bill is not giving companies "the right" to spy on you, which they can do as they wish right now. this bill would basically reinstate the 4th amendment, but unfortunately does grant the companies immunity from civil lawsuits, however they would still be able to be held liable in criminal court.
- obamayomama, on 07/07/2008, -5/+4Don't you libnunts get it? Obama is facing the reality that he may get elected and may actually have to govern, so he's going to need to maintain a semblance of sanity. He doesn't give a ***** about you or what you think... you were useful in the primary but it's a new ball game now, and he knows he's not going to win the general by continuing to support your leftist ideas. He's scraping you off the bottom of his shoe like a turd, and he'll use this "response" to light his next blunt. Suckas.
- Andrwmorph, on 07/07/2008, -11/+4He is still better than McCain.
- Hetman, on 07/07/2008, -2/+7I do not see how that is relevant. If both Candidates want to take away you rights, do not vote for either one.
- abran1984, on 07/07/2008, -3/+7You have low standards for your politicians
- Andrwmorph, on 07/07/2008, -6/+1At this point there are only two viable choices and I see Obama as the lesser evil.
- stealthc, on 07/07/2008, -4/+12Obama doesn't love you.
- MarkEarhart, on 07/07/2008, -2/+7I wish Obama and McCain would go skydiving together without parachutes.
- PBCliberal, on 07/07/2008, -3/+1we are the ones we have been waiting for, but now we're trying to make the changes we've been waiting to make.
- ianarcher, on 07/07/2008, -5/+1I'm not sure why people are getting so upset about the telecom immunity provision. The telecoms are the proxy for the battle they should be waging on Bush.
I'm not saying the telecoms did the right thing, but they were acting under presidential requests, which should muddy the waters. It seems like a police officer seizing your car to catch a criminal, then running over a child and having that child's parents sue you for negligently following his orders.
It's refreshing when companies stand up to the government but I don't necessarily think we should criminalize those that don't. Let's not forget who the real criminals are --- the administration --- and take them out.- jgzman, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2A) if we do not criminalize this, it will not change. The next time the government orders something like this, there will be no question that the corporations will cooperate.
B) we cannot attack the administration without the evidence from the lawsuits against telecoms.
- jgzman, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2A) if we do not criminalize this, it will not change. The next time the government orders something like this, there will be no question that the corporations will cooperate.
- kosser, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2i like when people make responses about something on subjects other than the person they are commenting on originally said. i did not make a blanket statement about an entire group. I just made a statement about obama and he will most likely fail. Obviously i hope im wrong but i doubt it.
- FuZi0nDET, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4If he votes for the bill I wonder what he will say to all of us that oppose FISA. I'm a part of that group on his website, I would like to some "straight talk" on this issue.
- Chip53, on 07/07/2008, -7/+5The "magic negro" is a phoney and you "progressive" idiots have fallen for it. Tell me kids, when gas is $6 a gallon and his wonderful new alternative energy sources (whatever the hell they are) don't appear, will you cheer the same when Olbermann rips him a new one every night? Digg me down since you don't have the balls to let other opinions on the internet. You are all truly pathetic and a bunch of sorry ass losers.
- jgzman, on 07/08/2008, -1/+4Actually, I'm digging you down for 'magic negro.' I will let the rest stand, because I fear you may be correct.
- laffatinterweb, on 07/08/2008, -0/+3limbaugh that you? damn lefties~!!
- randydid, on 07/08/2008, -0/+4Looks as if Obama is starting to drink the Washington CoolAid...
I have been a supporter of his from the start, but I have unsubscribed to his almost daily emails citing this bill and his support of it. His trust me I will fix it later statement we got is not sufficient. I also stated that I will withhold my vote for him until he votes no. Looks like Mickey Mouse or Alfred E. Newman will be getting my vote for now. - jfej004, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1HAHA Why should he care how he voted? Ignorant Obama supporters don't care about his record or how he votes because he "inspires" .Those supporters would vote for the man if he announced he was claiming himself to be the ideal socialist candidate that he actually is.
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