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- gsadamb, on 10/18/2008, -7/+235This woman is downright scary. We need to get her out of office. If you can, please donate to her opponent Elwyn Tinklenberg.
http://www.actblue.com/page/nonewmccarthy- ICSU, on 10/18/2008, -6/+23"wild" guess:
she can be seen in church every Sunday and is a creationist- carpespasm, on 10/18/2008, -0/+29It isn't a wild guess if you're statistically likely to be correct.
- Stormwern, on 10/18/2008, -2/+11It also sais she is a creationist in the article.
- sockpuppets, on 10/18/2008, -5/+1It is if you're a wild animal.
- DougChristian, on 10/19/2008, -0/+13"It" doesn't say she's a creationist. She does. There are videos. She also says global warming is a hoax and that Terry Schiavo was "a woman who was healthy".
- meteors, on 10/19/2008, -0/+6While reading this, the usual ad for Mark Levin came on XM Radio, where he says that liberals are "plotting against the country".
- Shaggy3, on 10/18/2008, -2/+44Its only a strategy to show Americans that Palin isn't the stupidest politician we have.
- akhomestead, on 10/19/2008, -0/+5No I think Bush has set that bar pretty ***** high.
- wastelander, on 10/18/2008, -1/+14I donated.
- keigwyn, on 10/18/2008, -1/+17As of 1:50pm Pacific Time, the Act Blue drive has taken in $200,932!!!
- Shaman760, on 10/18/2008, -0/+16I just gave $10. Hope it helps
- Shaman760, on 10/19/2008, -0/+10Not only did I donate, but also placed a craigslist posting (San Diego Rants & Raves) steering people to this matter.
We need to clean these types from our government. Hopefully as much as these hillbillies are pushing, an exponential force of dominating magnitude will develop and collectively shut down any such radical.
The rights' heads are so firmly planted up their asses they think McCarthyism is a good thing. ***** those people.
- Shaman760, on 10/19/2008, -0/+10Not only did I donate, but also placed a craigslist posting (San Diego Rants & Raves) steering people to this matter.
- chaosium, on 10/18/2008, -1/+15I also gave thirty bucks to the cause.
We haven't even heard Ann Coulter spouting this neo-McCarthyist creepshow act lately. While Coulter is a troll for hire, I believe Bachmann actually believes the gimmick.- Kibedango, on 10/19/2008, -0/+5I donated $20, but went to Tinklenberg's site to do it. I'm not familiar with Act Blue.
http://www.tinklenberg08.com/
- Kibedango, on 10/19/2008, -0/+5I donated $20, but went to Tinklenberg's site to do it. I'm not familiar with Act Blue.
- trafficlight, on 10/19/2008, -2/+5Elwyn Tinkleberg. Did Matt Stone and Trey Parker make up that name?
- diggdiggerid, on 10/19/2008, -1/+2I hope you know he opposes gay marriage and supports a federal amendment defining marriage as one man-one woman. He won't be getting any of my money.
- Aleriya, on 10/19/2008, -0/+6Michelle Bachman is the most anti-GLBT member of the Minnesota legislature, and has earned her reputation over and over! She led the initiative to change the state constitution to bar civil unions.
Tinklenberg isn't great, but he's a helluva lot better. Also, he's about the best that you can expect to be elected from the most backwards part of the state.
- Aleriya, on 10/19/2008, -0/+6Michelle Bachman is the most anti-GLBT member of the Minnesota legislature, and has earned her reputation over and over! She led the initiative to change the state constitution to bar civil unions.
- drewh1991, on 10/19/2008, -0/+10She represents my district. I am so embarrassed to have this woman representing me. PLEASE get her out!
- Ouchimoo, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2She embarrasses all of Minnesota. I hope you can get more people in your district to vote her out.
- drewh1991, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2Both my parents are voting against her, and my mom is trying desperately to get her friends and our family that lives in the 6th district. Her stupid campaign always calls our house.
- rodgerdodger5, on 10/19/2008, -3/+1She voted against the bailout twice. That is a huge plus in my book. Actions speak much louder than words and I could care less what the lady's faith is. This is America after all.
Cite; http://www.campaignforliberty.com/usa/MN/
Look at how your reps voted there.- Jacolyte, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2rodgerdodger5 -- it's all a show my friend. She voted against the bailout, yet she talks like a propagandist; spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
Congresspeople know how to talk to each other. Probably something like this: "We'll vote the bill down first, so it looks like we fought it a little... then we don't lose the support of those who voted us in, then the next time the bill comes around... we'll vote it in by a slight win... so it looks like we tried."
This bitch needs to be voted out.
- Jacolyte, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2rodgerdodger5 -- it's all a show my friend. She voted against the bailout, yet she talks like a propagandist; spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
- bondud, on 10/20/2008, -2/+0This is one brave, brilliant women. I am sending her money.
- barbe135, on 10/29/2008, -0/+0Completely agree. Have you seen this yet?
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Just_how_crazy_i ...
- ICSU, on 10/18/2008, -6/+23"wild" guess:
- elwior, on 10/18/2008, -6/+149 She has that phony smile constantly painted on her face, masking God only knows what. I'm going to send $50 to Mr. Tinklenberg's campaign because this nut-job needs to be returned to the hole she crawled out of back in Minnesota.
- rald84, on 10/18/2008, -9/+5SHE HAS A FOREIGN FIRST NAME. its spelled "Michele" not "Michelle" and she goes by congressman, not congresswoman.
- BuddyOne, on 10/18/2008, -12/+4Yea, like "Barak". Suspicious
- meteors, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1your point?
- barfooz, on 10/18/2008, -13/+1You have $50 to waste on out-of-state congressional races? That's dedication!
- noahco, on 10/18/2008, -3/+15Please send her anywhere but back to Minnesota. I don't want her here.
- BuddyOne, on 10/18/2008, -3/+2I don't think you have much to worry about. Her opponent Tinklenberg (is that name for real?) should mop the floor with her. Otherwise, she will win. You will have something to snidely gossip about. You'll still be happy...
- lajaw, on 10/19/2008, -15/+4I'll send $100 to Bachman you sorry socialist.
- geodebug, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3liar, receipt or it didn't happen....liar.
BTW you are a liar.
- geodebug, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3liar, receipt or it didn't happen....liar.
- rald84, on 10/18/2008, -9/+5SHE HAS A FOREIGN FIRST NAME. its spelled "Michele" not "Michelle" and she goes by congressman, not congresswoman.
- coucy, on 10/18/2008, -4/+140Joe McCarthy in lipstick.
Just gave to Tinklenberg.- smokeymcdank, on 10/19/2008, -0/+6Dude, there is no way she is as smart as McCarthy was. What he did really took some maniacal genius. Bachmann is a stooge.
- meteors, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3lipstick on a pig
- jsmu, on 10/19/2008, -2/+2Exactly. McCarthy was evil incarnate. Bachmann is a psychotic Jesus ***** with three brain cells, tops.
- darkciti2, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3Botox'ed beyond recognition.
When she tries to raise her eyebrows, her eyes become zombie-like and pure evil.
You guys need to boot her ass in 2010 - she's scary. - KJeffV, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1geodebug
5 hr 12 min ago
liar, receipt or it didn't happen....liar.
BTW you are a liar.
- lncb2u, on 10/18/2008, -4/+78In the interview with Matthews, she seems almost possessed as her eyes intensify at different times throughout the interview.
- howdareyou, on 10/18/2008, -2/+7It looks like she's Bipolar.
- ChristPissed, on 10/18/2008, -2/+8Meth eyes.
- dkistner, on 10/18/2008, -1/+1Lizard-breathing eyes!
- meteors, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2facelifts
- tchen3, on 10/19/2008, -0/+0haha... it was a horrible interview overall! She kept talking when he was talking. Then they would both stop. Then they both started. Then stopped. Then started. Then stopped. Then he would finally get to ask his question. --All the while she never blinked.
- darkciti2, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2Botox'ed beyond recognition.
When she tries to raise her eyebrows, her eyes become zombie-like and pure evil.
You guys need to boot her ass in 2010 - she's scary.
- plumcider, on 10/18/2008, -4/+57That's just the tip of the iceburg.
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Michele_Bachmann ...- BuddyOne, on 10/18/2008, -0/+5Well, soon it'll be the tip of the Tinklenberg!!!!!
- plumcider, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1LOL--you're most likely right. I even sent him $5, and I don't usually donate to campaigns, especially not ones that aren't even in my district.
- barbe135, on 10/29/2008, -0/+0well, here's a bit more!!! http://digg.com/political_opinion/Just_how_crazy_i ...
- BuddyOne, on 10/18/2008, -0/+5Well, soon it'll be the tip of the Tinklenberg!!!!!
- Nuqueen1, on 10/18/2008, -5/+83I sent $50 last night after seeing her on tv. Where does the GOP get these women, do they go to GOP school or what?
- BuddyOne, on 10/18/2008, -14/+2bs
- gwolf, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2On the contrary, it seems that if you have read any book besides the old testament, you are automatically disqualified. You may know how to read other books, science books, bills that need your signature, stuff like that.
- DougChristian, on 10/19/2008, -0/+4There are indeed schools that pump out brainwashed social conservatives. However, she didn't go to one. She went to public school and state college. So she came upon her lunacy naturally.
- jsmu, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1No, they grow up in a country which deifies psychotic and reactionary religious fascism. What do you expect?
- ThatsNotPudding, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1Most of them start out on School Boards. Most rational people see serving in such positions as boring or not worth the hassle of dealing with pathetic Helicopter Parents and their Precious Snowflakes. But the truly insane see such positions as a key starting point to destroy democracy and replace it with theocracy and one party rule.
- SusanWAstate, on 10/18/2008, -4/+83Tinklenberg got my $100 last evening after her interview - Minnesota, and all of us, deserve much better!
- BuddyOne, on 10/18/2008, -16/+2bs
- omegaant, on 10/19/2008, -0/+5Don't even live in Minnesota and I did the same. This woman is a Nazi. Like I say to all the endtimer wackos, she should JUST STAY HOME!
- Insightful, on 10/18/2008, -4/+71Worse than Palin '08.
- ProLick, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3Very true. And Minnesota is supposed to be a liberal state. Always vote against "pro-life"rs. They're simply today's version of book and witch burners.
- amy31415, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1Settle down. Being pro-life does not automatically equal "dumb" or "intolerant". I'm personally pro-life (which logically means that I'm also anti-war), but I won't try to push my personal views as something that should be legislated--I just won't get an abortion or support senseless wars.
- ProLick, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3Very true. And Minnesota is supposed to be a liberal state. Always vote against "pro-life"rs. They're simply today's version of book and witch burners.
- feduphoosier, on 10/18/2008, -4/+61I donated to Tinklenberg after seeing her on Hardball. This country has enough problems without McCarthyist lunatics conducting liberal witch hunts in congress -- as if congress doesn't have enough to do right now! Get these wackos OUT OF HERE so we can deal with real issues like health care, the war and the economy!
- gernblansted, on 10/19/2008, -1/+5She's in Congress, and she's a blind supporter of the biggest mistakes in US history, even now. The point is in part to distract attention from herself and her fellow partners in crime.
- barbe135, on 10/29/2008, -0/+0BEFORE hardball there was this: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Just_how_crazy_i ...
- Wryly, on 10/18/2008, -3/+67Anyone who makes out with Bush is a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
- rdldr1, on 10/18/2008, -4/+88Must be related to Ann Coulter.
- orlyfactor, on 10/18/2008, -5/+19They must scissor every night.
- BobbyMC, on 10/18/2008, -1/+10Something about the way you said that without any overt implication made it highlarious.
- orlyfactor, on 10/18/2008, -5/+19They must scissor every night.
- akchrs, on 10/18/2008, -56/+11"There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area,'' Murtha was quoted as saying on Wednesday.
This upsets me more than anything. Democrats should be ashamed of themselves.- ReidFleming, on 10/18/2008, -3/+23What are you talking about??? Did you mean to post here? If so, are you saying it's not a racist area? If that's your point, you should rebut with evidence. You can even use anecdotal evidence if you want.
By the way, if Murtha's calling an area of the country really "upsets [you] more than anything", your priorities are royally screwed up.- Nannybell, on 10/18/2008, -21/+8That's the same Murtha who said our troops are killers. Horrible man. So if he said an area is racist, don't think I'll believe him.
- ReidFleming, on 10/18/2008, -1/+30Um, our troops are trained killers ... that's what we train them to do -- kill other people. I know this because I am a veteran -- Like MURTHA! Murtha, BTW, was an Eagle Scout, enlisted in the Marine Corps and became a Drill Instructor at Parris Island. Oh, then he was selected for OTS and became an officer. Then, after he left the service, he served in the reserves until he volunteered to be recalled to active duty and serve in Vietnam.
You should learn stuff in general before you post. - ThsGuyRightHere, on 10/18/2008, -0/+20I can't speak for the other armed forces, but when I was in the Army we certainly trained to kill. One doesn't generally train with rifles, machine guns, grenades, rocket launcher,s artillery, etc. so they can hurt someone's feelings. If you put on a uniform then directly or indirectly, you are a killer, and you're proud of it.
- eir574, on 10/18/2008, -0/+13This reminds me of the people in discussions on abortion who insist that abortion is murder, and then become upset when others point out that murder is a legal term and that if a killing is not illegal, then it certainly isn't murder. Not all illegal killings are murder, and not all killings are even illegal (e.g. self defense). This applies to the military as well.
- kayala, on 10/18/2008, -1/+9Nanny, we know better than to think you'll believe something honest when you see it. You try as hard as you can to stay away from honesty, dignity and the truth. Why don't you return to WND, where you're guaranteed not to be exposed to any of those horrible things?
- SLuM, on 10/18/2008, -4/+2@eir574, Not that I am anti-choice but killing a pregnant woman is deemed a double murder.
- kayala, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6@SLuM, that's a complicated matter, but in the end I don't think that it's right to call it a double murder. That's just another law that we need to work on.
- voyetra8, on 10/19/2008, -1/+5"That's the same Murtha who said our troops are killers."
So, all of those bombs and bullets.... they are used for what, exactly?
Idiot. - Nannybell, on 10/19/2008, -10/+3You people are uninformed. You are apparently unaware about the flap surrounding Murtha, when he started flying off at the mouth that some of our troops had murdered innocent people in Iraq. Before they had been tried in a court of law, he pronounced them guilty of murder. Guess what... they've been cleared of the charges.
And, Eir574, I'm surprised at you, because you and I have discussed this Murtha issue before. - gwolf, on 10/19/2008, -0/+8Nannybell the fact that the military cleared them of any wrongdoing doesn't carry a lot of weight. There are rules even in war. My experience with the military justice system was that it was more about expedience than justice. The military almost never acknowledges it's own mistakes, that's why civilians need to control them. When the head civilian doesn't do his job then the military will get out of control.
We have screwed things up so badly that they, the newly freed Iraqi's, will never, ever trust us again. Almost anyone else could stabilize that region better than we could now, because we have spent any credibility we might ever have had in places like Abu Grabe prison. - eir574, on 10/19/2008, -0/+4"And, Eir574, I'm surprised at you, because you and I have discussed this Murtha issue before."
I made a point that had little to do with Murtha himself, Nanny. I know how much you hate subtleties, though.
- riverrunner, on 10/19/2008, -1/+10I am from Western Pennsylvania and I can tell you that sadly he is right.
- KJ83, on 10/19/2008, -1/+9I live there, and Murtha's right. Most of the folks that live out here are openly racist.
- ReidFleming, on 10/18/2008, -3/+23What are you talking about??? Did you mean to post here? If so, are you saying it's not a racist area? If that's your point, you should rebut with evidence. You can even use anecdotal evidence if you want.
- mbraynard, on 10/18/2008, -68/+8Bachman is just fine and is no further to the right than the average D member is to the left.
KOS freaks out over such mild statements as: "What our service men and women have accomplished over there has been nothing short of astounding. Though you never hear about it in the media. God has not abandoned us."
Big effing deal.- ReidFleming, on 10/18/2008, -2/+19Hee hee. That's true 'cause you always see democratic politicians hiding in the bushes spying on people. /s
- Korinthe, on 10/18/2008, -3/+15Oh, yes, because that was the statement that upset the Democrats and INDEPENDENTS! (psst, like me, someone who's never been registered to a party in my life, thank you very much). Way to distort, buddy! She's not "just fine". She's another Joe McCarthy, which is shameful.
- mbraynard, on 10/18/2008, -13/+4Go read Patrick Henry's Liberty or Death speech - it's only four paragraph. It says the same thing.
Maybe you need to find another country. - Korinthe, on 10/19/2008, -0/+7Further distortions, only here of Patrick Henry's speech. Why don't you go read it again, read the historical context, and get back to the real world. This is in no way comparable to the Virginia House of Burgesses speech. As with the disgusting, divisive rhetoric of Joseph McCarthy, this is a rank perversion of that very idea, fundamentally undermining it in the most sinister and vile of ways, using fear and hatred to divide men and women that would otherwise stand shoulder to shoulder to preserve liberty.
- mbraynard, on 10/18/2008, -13/+4Go read Patrick Henry's Liberty or Death speech - it's only four paragraph. It says the same thing.
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -4/+17As a Minnesotan, I can say that YOU ARE LYING!
She's a ***** nut-bag. Absolutely no business in Congress at all.
She should go back to running her baby-farm and get the ***** out of politics. - jsmu, on 10/19/2008, -0/+5Move to a fascist country with zero human rights, you cretin.
No one will miss you.
Big effin' deal. LOL!
- Depthfunction, on 10/18/2008, -2/+29Pollster dot com doesn't have too much information about the Bachmann - Tinklenberg race, but the last poll suggests it's pretty close. Additional campaign contributions might make a big difference.
http://www.pollster.com/polls/mn/08-mn-06-ge-bvt.p ...- BuddyOne, on 10/18/2008, -6/+1thank you, mr. tinklenberg.
- salomejones, on 10/18/2008, -3/+30http://www.censurebachmann.com/
- richirwin, on 10/18/2008, -2/+68That's one crazy *****.
The craziest thing about her is that she seems to realize that she is being forced down a path she didn't intend to go - and she does very little to right the ship. She doesn't try to correct her statement, she doesn't try to clarify, she does nothing except try to squirm around it a bit.
Good for Chris Matthews for recognizing her lunacy and continuing to hammer her.
Carville had a field-day with her as well.
She's bat-***** nuts. - baldboy7, on 10/18/2008, -5/+27I am from minnesota and am appaled and ashamed that we elected her to office. id take McCain anyday over this psyco!
- carpespasm, on 10/18/2008, -0/+16Isn't it great how whenever you have a nut job congress-critter or governor you get to apologize for their behavior on behalf of the sane people in your state? As a Floridian I get to do that on a pretty regular basis.
- sealink, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1At least Florida seems to be having only sexually-related congressman problems lately?
- barbe135, on 10/29/2008, -0/+0Me too... Here's something new: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Just_how_crazy_i ...
- carpespasm, on 10/18/2008, -0/+16Isn't it great how whenever you have a nut job congress-critter or governor you get to apologize for their behavior on behalf of the sane people in your state? As a Floridian I get to do that on a pretty regular basis.
- seagoat2008, on 10/18/2008, -1/+50This woman once hide behind a bush at a Gay Pride Rally on the grounds of the state capital to spy on the gathering while she was in Minnesota state government. True story. We were also very proud of her groping President Bush at the State of the Union speech a few years back. Just reporting. She isn't in my district but wow.
http://www.tinklenberg08.com/home.html
Her opponent is sane.- dagnome1984, on 10/19/2008, -4/+3He is just as dumb as that woman. Look under his economy section. There is no mention of the financial reform of the debt based money system that is badly needed. He thinks the government should create jobs. That is not the role of the government.
Look at his section under "Homeland Security"
"I will advocate that we strengthen our first line of defense by investing in local police, firefighters and emergency medical workers. I will vote to make sure they have the resources, personnel, and equipment they need to respond effectively."
That is not the role of the federal government. It's up to local governments to fund that *****. More federal funds so we can further expect a federalized police force.
- dagnome1984, on 10/19/2008, -4/+3He is just as dumb as that woman. Look under his economy section. There is no mention of the financial reform of the debt based money system that is badly needed. He thinks the government should create jobs. That is not the role of the government.
- disraeligears54, on 10/18/2008, -3/+40I'm ashamed that people from my state could have elected her. Send her back to the 50's and tell her to get in bed with Joe McCarthy.
- MrSquirrel, on 10/18/2008, -3/+19This article is by far the best summary of this loon's politics that I have seen yet. We Minnesotans have been painfully aware of this embarrassing Bush lap dog for a long time. And when I say lap dog, I think she would literally love to be his lap dog (see Daily Kos article linked).
Please O spirits of decency and justice, please help us vote this inane and dangerously radical person out of Congress so she never wields even the slightest influence over the lawmaking process again.- meteors, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1I expect she has already received calls from higher-ups in the GOP, telling her to cool it down.
Don't be surprised to see her on Larry King on Monday night, explaining that she didn't mean to say it.
- meteors, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1I expect she has already received calls from higher-ups in the GOP, telling her to cool it down.
- mikeevegas, on 10/18/2008, -3/+35Wow, those of you that live is this woman's distract in Minnesota need to vote her out. She makes you all look pretty bad right now.
- dolphinsecho, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3If yard signs are an accurate measure of people's voting intentions, then Tinklenberg will definitely win. When she was elected, there were a lot of her yard signs. I have not yet seen one for her this year. I didn't vote for her before, and I certainly will not this time either. Go Tinklenberg!
- JonForTheWin, on 10/18/2008, -22/+8_ALL_ members of congress should be investigated for being anti-American. Billions to AIG?!, WHAT THE ***** IS THAT
- zenbud, on 10/18/2008, -2/+3That is your president shrub socializing this country, along with the financial institutions.
Offensive. - bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -3/+9She's a McCarthy-type thinker.
Thinking like hers is what started the "Commie Scare" in Hollywood, and the Holocaust.in Germany.- Nannybell, on 10/19/2008, -13/+4Look, the Commie Scare you speak of has a basis in reality, and is being borne out today right in front of your eyes. We are going socialist bit by bit. How do you think that happened? They don't have to call themselves Communists to be Leftist sympathizers. They don't even have to recognize it within themselves that that's indeed what their thinking makes them.
- kayala, on 10/19/2008, -2/+9Yeah, Nanny, it had a basis in reality, just like your belief in that magical sky fairy has a basis in reality.
- eir574, on 10/19/2008, -1/+8I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see you defend McCarthy's method of destroying people's reputations and careers based on nothing more than suspicion and innuendo. You engage in that very activity yourself. And, again, it was just last week when you defended a biblical passage that allows a rape victim to be sold like property to her rapist for the rest of her life as somehow being honorable. If you believe that, you clearly have no sense of decency. Since you don't seem to understand that, the fact that a rapist may not like having to keep his victim as his wife for the rest of her life doesn't mean that forcing him to do so is in the best interest of his victim. Besides, some rapists might actually enjoy being able to buy a plaything from her father.
I've never seen someone actually defend that passage to any extent. I'm somewhat horrified that anyone would. Would you sell your daughters to anyone at any price, let alone a violent criminal?
(Off topic, I know, but I shudder inwardly every time I see Nannybell's username and happen to remember that post of hers.) - flip2trip, on 10/19/2008, -6/+3Why do you atheists constantly misquote and obfuscate the text of the Bible? I don't know what translation of the Bible you've been referring to, but you are mistaken as to the text and the meaning of whatever you've been reading.
- eir574, on 10/19/2008, -1/+7I'm not trying to quote the bible, flip. I'm talking about what someone else said about it. If you don't believe that the bible says that, great. That doesn't mean that no one else believes it. See my longer response to your post here: http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/BURIED_On_a_Frid ... .
- Nannybell, on 10/19/2008, -4/+2Eir574,
I in no way said I personally supported McCarthy or supported a man raping a girl and being forced to marry her. My statement above refers to creeping socialism and how it was actually true that there were people in America who wished to take us into that. My statement regarding the Bible did nothing more than point out how the guy making the post had intentionally left out part of the passage. It would involve a long, drawn-out discussion of the Old Law vs. the Law of Grace, and I have no desire to go into that with an atheist.
However, I will no longer waste my time defending myself against your lies and misrepresentations of my position. There was a time when I honestly thought, many months ago, that you might actually be a nice person with sincere views. But your repeated lies and intentional misrepresentations concerning me have proven me wrong. I assume that is your purpose: to discredit me and persuade people to not take me seriously by trying to present me as having views I don't actually have. Shameful. So in the future I will just answer you by saying you are lying and let it go at that. Either that, or you are really thickheaded enough to believe the lies and misrepresentations. - Nannybell, on 10/19/2008, -5/+2Flip,
These are not nice people. Some pretend to be on the surface, but they have dark souls. - eir574, on 10/19/2008, -0/+5"My statement regarding the Bible did nothing more than point out how the guy making the post had intentionally left out part of the passage."
You implied that the part of the passage he'd left out somehow meant that the part he had quoted was not in fact as evil as it appeared to be. You defended the passage. That the rapist is not allowed to divorce his wife in no way mitigates the evil of the beginning of the passage.
You think you don't have a dark side? You've told people that they're not allowed to exercise their first amendment rights if they disagree with you on issues you consider to be fundamental. You've said that only conservatives work for a living. And, that's just the beginning. Maybe anonymity makes you a coward by encouraging you to say those things that you know would be completely unacceptable in the real world.
- zenbud, on 10/18/2008, -2/+3That is your president shrub socializing this country, along with the financial institutions.
- jfoster1030, on 10/18/2008, -2/+9http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660
Go get her - ScaryUK, on 10/18/2008, -3/+27What an annoying whiney-voiced, perma-smiled tool she is. Absolutely painful to listen to.
- JLSN, on 10/18/2008, -2/+10It is called BIBLE FACE.
- ScaryUK, on 10/18/2008, -2/+6No, it's called a 'really slappable face' :)
- JLSN, on 10/18/2008, -2/+10It is called BIBLE FACE.
- ironhide, on 10/18/2008, -6/+32Don't expect any shame from the right-wingers on Digg. I've seen some of them declaring that Joe McCarthy was a hero.
- Jambi, on 10/18/2008, -13/+7He wasn't a hero, nor the demon he's made out to be. He was a careerist hoping to make his name as a "red hunter", but was fairly indiscriminate about who got swept up in his net while doing it. However, if you take a look at various records released after the fall of the Soviet Union, you'll see he was right about a large contingent of Soviet spies/sympathizers having infiltrated parts of the U.S. government. His record is mixed at best, and his legacy in American public life tarnished, but let's not forget there was in fact a large internal security risk, which he ended up being right about. Not that this excuses his abuse of power, and other abuses occurring under his watch.
- Saikou, on 10/18/2008, -1/+17BS to the revisionists rehab of McCarthy. The damage done by that wingnut is well documented and understood. To apologize for him because he had personal ambition (careerist) is sick and dangerous because his fear mongering hurt a lot of decent people, ruined peoples lives and fomented fear of communism infiltration and bogeymen that was largely unfounded. It is not okay to cast a wide net and label people communist sympathizers or un-American. McCarthy did not save us from anything, nor were his attacks against citizens and nationals alike rooting out “communists” in our government. We have elections for a reason and they way to get undesirable people out of office is by voting them out or impeachment. The McCarthy hearings were about fear and control and doing an end run around our laws with a whisper program. You shouldn’t make excuses for people like this, because as Bachmann shows, this type of person is not relegated to history alone. She is in office now and seemed happy and even justified in implying that duly elected senators un-American. The best thing we can do is donate to her opponent and vote her out of office.
- jsmu, on 10/19/2008, -0/+5'careerist'? You IMBECILIC TROGLODYTE.
Try learning a few facts and actually reading history from the Fifties. You obviously barely know McCarthy's NAME, much less anything about the havoc and evil he wrought.
- PEMDAS, on 10/18/2008, -15/+2I'm going to copy and paste Jambi's comment, because as hard as I try I can't find a better way to put it.
"He wasn't a hero, nor the demon he's made out to be. He was a careerist hoping to make his name as a "red hunter", but was fairly indiscriminate about who got swept up in his net while doing it. However, if you take a look at various records released after the fall of the Soviet Union, you'll see he was right about a large contingent of Soviet spies/sympathizers having infiltrated parts of the U.S. government. His record is mixed at best, and his legacy in American public life tarnished, but let's not forget there was in fact a large internal security risk, which he ended up being right about. Not that this excuses his abuse of power, and other abuses occurring under his watch." -Jambi the baby deer
- Jambi, on 10/18/2008, -13/+7He wasn't a hero, nor the demon he's made out to be. He was a careerist hoping to make his name as a "red hunter", but was fairly indiscriminate about who got swept up in his net while doing it. However, if you take a look at various records released after the fall of the Soviet Union, you'll see he was right about a large contingent of Soviet spies/sympathizers having infiltrated parts of the U.S. government. His record is mixed at best, and his legacy in American public life tarnished, but let's not forget there was in fact a large internal security risk, which he ended up being right about. Not that this excuses his abuse of power, and other abuses occurring under his watch.
- JLSN, on 10/18/2008, -6/+28Say good bye you Nazi biotch.
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -1/+5Unfortunately, more and more Americans are taking on her Nazi-like thinking.
It almost seems to be an "American Value" these days.
Hatred and fear and violence.
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -1/+5Unfortunately, more and more Americans are taking on her Nazi-like thinking.
- scabbers, on 10/18/2008, -5/+3Workingest?
Double plus good. - KevinRWright, on 10/18/2008, -2/+13She looks like she's eating bush's face in the picture.
- dkistner, on 10/18/2008, -2/+1Sucking the custard out, no doubt.... Oh, that's a horrible thought, isn't it? But it's what popped into my mind....
- MrColdheart, on 10/18/2008, -4/+21Figures she's also for Creationism as an alternative to Evolution.
- aarku, on 10/18/2008, -4/+36Palin/Bachmann 2012.... oh god...
- geoboy, on 10/18/2008, -1/+11Bachmann/Palin overdrive!
- voyetra8, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3i lol'd IRL
- sealink, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1I just threw up in my mouth a little.
- geoboy, on 10/18/2008, -1/+11Bachmann/Palin overdrive!
- Kitakaze, on 10/18/2008, -26/+3What does Tinklenberg mean?
It sounds like something to do with peeing, and a mountain.- zenbud, on 10/18/2008, -1/+6Wow, way to show your shallow gene pool (pun intended).
- flannerus, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2Kitakaze sounds like something to do with a ***** idiot.
- Bloodwine, on 10/18/2008, -26/+2So she basically is the Republican counterpart to Pelosi?
- rdldr1, on 10/18/2008, -3/+7No.
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -4/+6Nope. She's a member of the GOP who makes Palin look smart.
- lajaw, on 10/19/2008, -7/+2And Palin makes Obama and Pelosi look very ignorant and out of touch.
- bjornski, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3In what respect, Charlie?
- jsmu, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3No. There are no Democrats this stupid, this recidivist, this hate-filled, this backward, or this demonically possessed by so-called 'religion'....
thank GOD. LOL!!!
- radiofrek, on 10/18/2008, -7/+5Joe McCarthy must be smilin'
- GorfTron, on 10/18/2008, -18/+8So, religion hurts nothing???
"[Pelosi] is committed to her global warming fanaticism to the point where she has said that she's just trying to save the planet. We all know that someone did that over 2,000 years ago, they saved the planet -- we didn't need Nancy Pelosi to do that. "- innocentsinner, on 10/18/2008, -2/+4*facepalm*
- zenbud, on 10/18/2008, -1/+3There's just no limit. You do know that Jesus was peaceful, right?
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -1/+3Oh, and don't forget! Drilling in Alaska will be LOVED by the caribou, because they can gather and have their "coffee klatches" around the warm pipes.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/20/bachmann-carib ...
And Jesus saved us, we don't need Nancy Pelosi!
She's a ***** idiot. And that's giving her a lot of credit. - darkcthulhu, on 10/18/2008, -1/+3***** RELIGION!
- quidpro, on 10/18/2008, -4/+33Even by Republican standards she is ***** up.
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -2/+3You need SOMEONE in the party to make people like Tom DeLay and Newt Gingrich look "moderate" and "smart".
- lajaw, on 10/19/2008, -4/+1And yet the Democrats still like McKinney. Amazing..............
- bjornski, on 10/19/2008, -1/+1No. That's the Libertarians.
I think she's a nutcase too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNp-Uz1PbJk
- bjornski, on 10/19/2008, -1/+1No. That's the Libertarians.
- Beatmiser, on 10/18/2008, -3/+9I got a long email from a family member this morning asking that I sign a petition to have Bachman censored. But it really occurred to me that the more we talk about her the more likely that people will hear her message. I'd much rather let the cow fade into nutty obscurity.
- ChristPissed, on 10/18/2008, -1/+6In the real world, cows do not just fade into obscurity. Given a feedbag, they will continue to belch, fart, and ***** massive amounts of dung. I'd much rather have her public trough feedbag removed, by voting her out of office.
- kayala, on 10/19/2008, -0/+6I think you meant censure, or punish. "Censor" is different.
- falstaff, on 10/18/2008, -16/+3Oh my FSM.
If you made a list of all the leaders who have made stupid, crazy, even ***** insane remarks, you'd have to list every single politician to ever serve in the US and everywhere else in the world, and this crap wouldn't even be in the top third.- thayanmarsh, on 10/19/2008, -2/+1Really? I dare you to top this with a clip of ANY politician above the state level around today.
- amightywind, on 10/18/2008, -34/+5Michelle Bachmann is representative of my district and we love her! She is Minnesota's answer to Sarah Palin. Bachmann has been on the right side of every issue. She rejected the bailout. She is a real fiscal conservative. She will win easy re-election. We feel very lucky to have her, considering they elected muslim Keith Elisson in the next district. Up yours liberals! We could use some MacCarthyism.
- fistulator, on 10/18/2008, -20/+2dugg for a dissenting opinion. I've no idea who Bachmann is but I at least like to hear some voice beside a zombified liberal slant that loves to strangle any opposing viewpoints.
- ChristPissed, on 10/18/2008, -2/+9Dugg down for being a zombified biased "concern troll".
- kayala, on 10/18/2008, -3/+14So Bachmann rejects science, believes in witchcraft, and doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is either? Is that what you're saying?
- amightywind, on 10/18/2008, -13/+2Who cares what the Bush Doctrine is, as long as he keeps kicking ass. That's all we need to know. As for book learnin', who needs it when you got God, Guns and Guts!
- kayala, on 10/18/2008, -2/+8I see now. You're kidding! It makes so much more sense to assume that you're not serious.
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -2/+9Yeah! The Bush Doctrine won the war in Iraq quickly and cheaply and helped us save the economy!
Let's keep it going!
Moron. - eltrev, on 10/19/2008, -2/+3mightygasbag - I would bet all my donuts that you don't even know how to shoot a gun properly. Poser.
- verdantinvidia, on 10/18/2008, -1/+9..?? Really?
If you think Evangelical Christianity is the only religion that should be represented (which your comments suggest) and if you are against transparency and accountability in government (which your comments suggest)... then you're all set! Go Bachmann!
Too bad that's about the most "un-American" viewpoint you could have. Whoops. Oh well, at least you know you're not alone. So who cares, right?- amightywind, on 10/18/2008, -5/+1Oh no, not at all. Mormons are ok. They're clean living and we need the numbers.
- V0lk, on 10/18/2008, -2/+7Do you have any clue of what McCarthyism is?? I'm assuming you don't.
- amightywind, on 10/18/2008, -3/+1Yeah. He was that ventriloquist fellow.
- zenbud, on 10/18/2008, -2/+5That's one perky message that's very, very stupid. Are they cloning the caribou barbie?
- suburbanWMD, on 10/18/2008, -2/+4I'm like, 98 percent sure that she's joking.
- phroztbyt3, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2that other 2 percent still scares the living crap out of me.
- fistulator, on 10/18/2008, -20/+2dugg for a dissenting opinion. I've no idea who Bachmann is but I at least like to hear some voice beside a zombified liberal slant that loves to strangle any opposing viewpoints.
- woodsjransom, on 10/18/2008, -2/+16She is a little more than scary in justifying the call for investigations of congressional members because in her view they are liberal, left, anti-American. Sounds like the witch hunts of Old Salem, Massachusetts. I would not want my kids playing with her kids. I thought that societies evolved not devolve. People actually voted for her?
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -0/+4If she'd just come out and call them "Communists", it would feel like the 50's again.
Well, except that in the 50's, one worker could support a family....
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -0/+4If she'd just come out and call them "Communists", it would feel like the 50's again.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 10/18/2008, -5/+43She's a deluded Christian zealot, not an American. Fundamentalist religions are un-American.
- akhomestead, on 10/19/2008, -2/+2So it's ok for you to call somebody that, but not ok for somebody else to? I mean she sounds nuts to me but when did America get the monopoly on sane behavior. We did elect a bush 3 times.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1American: Supporting the Constitution and Bill of Rights
- BlacklabelSAR, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1American: Supporting the Constitution and Bill of Rights
- akhomestead, on 10/19/2008, -2/+2So it's ok for you to call somebody that, but not ok for somebody else to? I mean she sounds nuts to me but when did America get the monopoly on sane behavior. We did elect a bush 3 times.
- PeanutCheeseBar, on 10/18/2008, -4/+8It's easier to blame the politician than it s to blame the idiots that put her in office (and keep her there).
Maybe The Daily Kos needs to write more articles on those people...- akhomestead, on 10/19/2008, -1/+2It's because people vote and act on emotion not facts. Watch a few commercials sometime. Search Century of Self on google video.
Because if facts did work people would realize Obama is more the same as McCain than different... Fisa, bail out, patriot act, gay marriage, war spending, foreign intervention, war on drugs: same, same, same, same, same, same, same. The only difference is how they say they would do them.
- akhomestead, on 10/19/2008, -1/+2It's because people vote and act on emotion not facts. Watch a few commercials sometime. Search Century of Self on google video.
- kebinusan, on 10/18/2008, -2/+25Good to see:
"Since then, the outpouring of support for my campaign has been extraordinary. Since Congresswoman Bachmann's outrageous remarks, my campaign has raised $438,346.57, and we're working to reach $500,000 by 5 p.m. today."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/18/2550/3286 ... - Nannybell, on 10/18/2008, -65/+7You people disgust me. Read all the horrible comments here. The woman holds the same views as millions of other Christians in this country. This country was founded upon a Christian citizenry and has remained a basically Christian nation (not a theocracy, but a basic foundation of Christian beliefs -- I have a handy list of quotes from our Founding Fathers to prove it...) until secular humanists recently decided to rip that apart. Well, you better rip me along with it... me and a few million others... because we are not giving this nation over to you. You have no understanding of the Christian history and basic character of this nation, because they LIED to you about it in your secular humanist public schools and liberal universities. You need to get hold of a copy of history textbooks that are at least 30-40 years old, sit down and read them and learn the true history of this nation. I guarantee you that you have been deceived if you have relied strictly on fellow liberals for information.
Discriminating against this woman on the basis of her Christian religious beliefs is completely unAmerican of you. What you want are atheists in office. But here is a reality for you to face: There are millions of Christians in this nation. Christians have held public office from the beginning, and until just very recently were welcome to speak openly about their faith and belief in God and God's guidance in the affairs of state. You who are deficient in knowledge of true American history don't know that. Your attacks on Christianity are sickening and despicable. You think religious people are intolerant, but just go back above and read your own comments. The intolerance in them is deplorable. And the vile meanness in them is just stunning.- bcarl314, on 10/18/2008, -4/+12You forgot the < /sarcasm > tag.
- artfiend77, on 10/18/2008, -1/+4It was actually the tag
- ScaryUK, on 10/18/2008, -1/+19At what point in that piece of video was religion mentioned? What has this discussion got to do with Christianity?
- kayala, on 10/18/2008, -5/+18Nannybell likes to play the victim. Don't fall for it; she's just a stupid fundie with sand in her vagina.
- HumanNouveau, on 10/18/2008, -2/+19What I object most strongly two in 21st century American evangelical christianity is the idea that they are somehow the hedge against all manner of social and political ill.
"... the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced or knew that such a character existed."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Religous groups have no right or rational reason to hold that their views are correct simply because it's interpreted (sometimes very badly and with wild extrapolation) from their book. Justice and ethics can be derived from reason, and millions of atheists and agnostics do that every day. This woman claims that she's getting signs from her god. Sorry, but that plus a sound rational argument will make the foundation of a good decision. It can never stand alone. It is no more valid than casting chicken bones to read the signs.- rodgerdodger5, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2Check page 337.
http://www.archive.org/stream/truethomas00curtrich - Nannybell, on 10/19/2008, -2/+1George Washington believed that God repeatedly and intentionally spared his life in particular during all the battles he was in. I guess he was crazy, hmm? No, you see, he believed in God. He stated very specifically that without the foundation of a Christian citizenry, our form of govt. would be unworkable. And he was right. Our nation is sliding into socialism, at a rate commensurate with its plunge into immorality, atheism, and secular humanism. Interesting, huh?
Actually, Christians have every right to believe the Bible and to believe that it contains the truth. This woman feels led by God, and so do millions of Christians. As to justice and ethics being derived from reason, yes that is possible, but it is a justice and ethics that can change with the direction of the wind, depending on the mood of the society. And it may easily change in a direction you would find grievous. Also, there is the issue that Western society has been influenced by the Judeo-Christian ethic for 2000 years. That means that even if you are an atheist, if you grew up in America, your ethics were informed by Christianity. It's inescapable. - HumanNouveau, on 10/20/2008, -0/+1There have been hundreds of philosophical movements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_movemen ...
Christianity blends and extends many of those. For that religion to claim some sort of a priori superiority based on nothing more that it's own mythology (there is not a shred of credible evidence to suggest that Jesus ever lived) is presumptuous. Your straw man argument that ethics derived from reason changes with the wind is fallacious in the extreme. Reason derives from observation, and that which can be observed has a consistency or recurrent pattern to it. Curious when you walk around a church; all those pictures of mythological events and medieval action heroes... It's like manufacturing an observation. Smoke and mirrors.
The fact that millions of people believe it is another fallacious argument. The number of people who believe in a proposition is no evidence of its truth. To be true something must be true. Whether or not you believe it has no impact on the truth whatsoever.
- rodgerdodger5, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2Check page 337.
- dkistner, on 10/18/2008, -2/+14Nannybell, please do not lump all Christians into the same league as this Bachmann woman. Good Christian people do not try to start Inquisitions, and they don't spew the kind of hatred we see coming out of some of these theocratic extremists who delude themselves into thinking what they believe is what God really wants, then run for office and try to inflict their extreme views on everyone else.
There are so many good Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc., people in this world (even agnostics and atheists) who follow the Golden Rule and respect and try to care for the creation. Spewing vile lies, bigotry, and damnation of others in the name of Christianity is the most unChristian thing I can think of. It is, at the very least, committing the sin of pride. I cannot believe in a god (or follow a president) who would encourage us to hate each other, nor do I believe that Jesus would reward with positions of power those who whip people into violence and intolerance like Bachmann, Palin, et al.
The mean, divisive Christianity Bachmann and those of her ilk practice are sick perversions of Christianity, just as Islam has been perverted by hateful terrorist groups like Al Qaeda. They are both part of the problem, not part of the solution.- Nannybell, on 10/19/2008, -2/+2Which vile lies and bigotry are you referring to specifically? What inquisitions? What hatred? Who is encouraging anyone to hate anyone? How is that being accomplished? Be specific please. Speaking in generalities throws a lot of unspecified charges into the air, but they often disappear when people get down to specific details.
Your charge about Palin whipping people into violence is a good example of that. I suppose you are referring to allegations that someone shouted "Kill Him" at a Palin rally. But do you also know that the Secret Service who covered that rally has said that did not happen? You hear the charge, but do you hear when the charge is discredited?
"The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded." http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secre ...
Did the MSM report that little detail?
Obama's campaign has attempted to smear Palin and McCain with accusations that they are guilty of the racism of the 1960s. That is a despicable lie right there, and one which can whip people into a frenzy. Are you concerned about that lie? There is not one iota of racism in the McCain campaign. Nothing, absolutely nothing. If you can, please show me even one example. But Obama's campaign has been seeking to smear McCain's campaign and his supporters with that lie. Racism is actually demonstrably on the other side. Obama spent 20 years in a racist church where his pastor spewed venom against whites from the pulpit. But I see not one single solitary liberal batting an eye about that. Does it bother you?
Furthermore, it is Obama himself who specifically raised the issue of race, suggesting that conservatives don't want him because he doesn't look like the other faces on American money. http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=54 ...
No one had talked about his race being a negative factor, but he tossed that charge out there, made up out of thin air. Despicable. And Hillary Clinton, not conservatives, was the one who raised the specter that Obama ran the risk of being assassinated like Robert Kennedy.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/05/2 ...
All the discussion about race is coming from Democrats, not conservatives.
It is downright evil to equate conservative Christians with jihadist terrorists. Shame on you for such an accusation. There are no Christians intent on jihad. We aren't flying jets into skyscrapers or chopping off people's heads. What a despicable charge to make.
It is a perversion of Christianity to twist the Bible to ascribe to Jesus attitudes He did not have. The liberal so-called Christians are the Johnny-come-latelys, not those who believe the Bible. We've been here all along. I always find it baffling when people act as though we are some new thing. No, liberal new-age Christianity is the new thing, and atheists seeking to rip all evidence of Christianity out of America is also a new thing. Any group claiming to be Christian but which rejects the Bible is Christian in name only. Although I don't know exactly what you mean by "extreme views," I can nevertheless guess and would say that the "extreme views" of which you speak are the traditional views of biblical Christianity through the ages. It is only recently that certain people calling themselves Christian have decided to reject the Bible and those views. I assume by "extreme views" that you are referring to moral issues. Well, history is not on your side, because the view of morality embraced by conservative Christians is a view that has been in place throughout the history of Christianity, and which is based on the doctrines of Christ as taught in the Bible. Although Jesus Himself affirmed the Bible as coming from God, liberal *Christians* are essentially discarding the Bible except for a few verses that make them feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Your reference to damnation is an example of the liberal tendency to ascribe to Jesus attitudes He did not have. Liberals say that Jesus taught only some nice platitudes about peace and love and said we should not judge one another's actions but rather should just let everyone be. Actually, though, you will not find such a Jesus in Scripture. The Jesus of Scripture did indeed teach to be at peace with others as far as possible, and to love others. But He also taught to judge a tree by the fruit it produces. He affirmed principles of biblical morality. He taught that following Him would set people at odds with even their own family and that His followers would face persecution from the rest of the world because of His teachings. (Question: If His teachings are only about peace and love as you say, why would His followers face persecution for that? No, must be something else that would bring persecution upon them.) He taught very pointedly that He is the only path to God. He Himself used the term "born again" and said it is a necessity for eternal life with God. And He taught that there is a literal damnation in a literal hell, which He spoke of often.
Christians are not to be mean in behavior and have malice, but it is not hate or meanness or maliciousness to tell people the truths contained in the Bible, such as regarding the destination of their eternal soul without Christ. And it is not hate to tell people the truths of the Bible concerning immorality, because that too determines their eternal fate. Jesus charged us with that responsibility to others, and it is the very reason that we are attacked as we are. Jesus did not come to earth and permit Himself to die a horrible death just to save the environment or to let us be morally promiscuous. We were already morally promiscuous, and He could have saved the environment without leaving heaven. No, He came to offer a way to escape the fate that awaits those who do not turn to God on God's terms... not on man's terms, but God's terms, which are found in Scripture. And those terms are at odds with today's culture. It is not hate but rather an act of love to warn people about that, just as it is an act of caring to warn someone they are about to drive over a steep cliff. - HumanNouveau, on 10/20/2008, -0/+1@ Nannybell if the things that happened in the Bible were true, there would be evidence. arly archeologists claimed to have found evidence for things like the great flood, the exodus, the life of Jesus, etc. However, they were either religous zealots in their own right or people so conditioned by their expectations that it skewed their observations. Subsequent and rigorous investigation finds that none of it happened.
- Nannybell, on 10/19/2008, -2/+2Which vile lies and bigotry are you referring to specifically? What inquisitions? What hatred? Who is encouraging anyone to hate anyone? How is that being accomplished? Be specific please. Speaking in generalities throws a lot of unspecified charges into the air, but they often disappear when people get down to specific details.
- bombula, on 10/18/2008, -2/+19The founding documents of this country invoke 'Creator', not the Christian God. Thomas Jefferson was a self-avowed deist and agnostic - what you would disparagingly refer to as a secular humanist. Funny how he is the towering figure among the Founding Fathers, isn't it? Our country protects the rights of all its citizens to worship - or not worship - in whatever way they choose, without bias towards one form of faith over another. If you don't understand that and don't understand the importance of that tenet, you don't understand America at all. You don't speak for America, you don't speak for me, and unless you are an Ivy League professor of American history, you don't speak for the dead or for the past either. Your appeals to Cold-War era textbooks as sacred vessels of truth are even more vacuous and laughable.
America guarantees and protects my freedoms, just like it does yours. America protects us all from people like you who would try to impose their own beliefs on others. America protects us all from people like you who have the arrogance to claim they know the mind of God and who have the arrogance to think your faith is superior to others. America protects us from people like you who distort the teachings of Christ, and who ignore two of his most basic precepts: judging others ("judge not lest ye be judged" Matthew 7 and "let he who is among you without sin, cast the first stone" John 8) and the sinfulness of amassing riches, which is the whole point of capitalism and free markets ("It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." Matthew 19). Like so many other envangelicals who call other people sinners and who think free-market capitalism (whose whole purpose is to make people rich) is doing the Lord's Work, you are a hypocrite. Jesus did not speak favorably of hypocrites (Matthew 6, 15).
As an evangelical Christian you are in a tiny minority among the 7 billion people of the world - fewer than 1%. You are vastly outnumbered by secular humanists throughout developed countries, just as you are vastly outnumbered by more than a billion fundamentalist Muslims in developing countries around the world. Claiming that our great nation is 'yours' and saying you're not going to 'give it over to us' sounds very much like something the Mullas of Saudi Arabia would say. Maybe you haven't figured out that that's why normal, intelligent, educated people are concerned about religious zealots like you and Bachmann. Most of us are not keen on seeing the US turn into Saudi Arabia.- Nannybell, on 10/19/2008, -2/+2Bombula,
The only reason you think Jefferson is "the towering figure" among the Founding Fathers is because he is a favorite among liberals. They have taken one little statement he made in a letter to a group of Baptists and have used that as the foundation for an entire political doctrine, which they should never have done and which is actually contrary to what Jefferson believed. Here is something that Mr. Jefferson said which may surprise you, since you will not hear about it in secular humanist schools:
"While we deny that Congress has a right to control the freedom of the press, we have ever asserted the right of the States, and their exclusive right to do so."
See, the Founding Fathers believed in the supremacy of States' rights, and they didn't want the federal govt. to take supremacy over that. Unfortunately, it has. Here is a quote from a book by Thos. E. Woods, Jr. (bachelor degree in history from Harvard; master's and Ph.D. from Columbia University):
"The First Amendment was a restriction on the power of the federal government, not a grant of power. It prevented the federal government from establishing a national religion, but it did not grant power to that government to interfere in the church-state relations decided upon by the states. The amendment clearly says that 'Congress shall make no law' pertaining to religion, not that Massachusetts, Georgia, or Pennsylvania shall make no law. When the states authorized the use of public funds to support various churches, no one in the early republic considered it a violation of the First Amendment, which was universally understood not to apply to the states.
"The First Amendment also did not allow federal interference in state questions involving speech and press. The good sense of the people of the states and their right to self-government had to be respected. As Jefferson wrote to Abigail Adams in 1804, 'While we deny that Congress has a right to control the freedom of the press, we have ever asserted the right of the States, and their exclusive right to do so.'
"Even with the added complication of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868, which gave the federal government more power over the states, the Jeffersonian edifices still stood, if in somewhat attenuated form. In the early twentieth century, issues of church-state relations arose in the supreme courts of Georgia, Illinois, Minnesota, North and South Dakota, and Texas, and in each case, when the court mentioned the federal Constitution at all it was to deny that the federal government had any role to play in church-state issues at the state level.
". . . But less than a century later, the Supreme Court would declare in Engel v. Vitale (1962) that local school boards were prohibited from approving even nonsectarian prayers for use in schools. Americans have been raised to believe this decision to be an expression of such sublime wisdom that they would be surprised to learn that it runs exactly contrary to the Framers' intent. Not only Jefferson but the entire founding generation as well would have considered such a ruling to be a stupefying departure from traditional American principals and an intolerable encroachment on communities' rights to self-government.
"If the Framers of the First Amendment considered it legitimate for Massachusetts and other states to use tax money to support churches, it would be difficult to argue that it was meant to prohibit school prayer or the hanging of the Ten Commandments. But this is what television commentators routinely claim, and hardly anyone ever contradicts them."
(pg. 21-22, The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History by Thos. E. Woods Jr.)
It would be good for everyone to get a copy of this book, especially you liberals who clearly have been fed a bunch of lies concerning our actual history.
The issue was whether or not the federal govt. should make these decisions concerning life, laws, and culture in America, or whether that should be left entirely to the states. The latter is what the Founding Fathers were attempting to achieve. That we are now being subverted into socialism through the federal government and the courts is testimony to the wisdom of their view against vesting so much power at the federal level.
And, no, America does not protect you from people like me. This nation is a Christian nation -- not a theocracy, but one based at its very core on the faith of its first settlers from Europe and the Founding Fathers, and understood to be so for generations until you atheists came along recently and decided to just rip that idea up. And you admit you are anti-capitalism, which means you are a Marxist. It is treasonous of you to desire to take this nation into socialism. You are a traitor to your own nation. Please move to Europe where you will find plenty of socialism. You are desiring to take this country over via a coup through the courts and socialists in the federal govt. I take your statement about being my being outnumbered by the rest of the world as a threat. You, sir, are a traitor. And I don't give a fig what the rest of the world is. It is not what America is.
Some enlightening statements from the Founding Fathers:
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness—these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, "where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?" And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule indeed extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?" -- Geo. Washington
(Regarding Geo. Washington, he believed with all his heart that God Himself had preserved him throughout the Revolutionary War. He spoke of that several times.)
"You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are." -- Geo. Washington
"I now make it my earnest prayer that God would… most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of the mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion." -- Geo. Washington
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." -- John Jay
"Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell." --John Adams
"The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity." --John Adams
"The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses." -- Thos. Jefferson
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." -- John Adams in a letter to Thos. Jefferson.
"The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in this earth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost. . . . There is no authority, civil or religious – there can be no legitimate government but what is administered by this Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or in more orthodox words damnation." -- John Adams
"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!" -- John Adams
"I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world." -- John Adams
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see." -- Benjamin Franklin
"Being a Christian… is a character which I prize far above all this world has or can boast." -- Patrick Henry
"Righteousness alone can exalt America as a nation. Whoever thou art, remember this; and in thy sphere practice virtue thyself, and encourage it in others." -- Patrick Henry
"The great pillars of all government and of social life [are] virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible." -- Patrick Henry
"By conveying the Bible to people . . . we certainly do them a most interesting act of kindness. We thereby enable them to learn that man was originally created and placed in a state of happiness, but, becoming disobedient, was subjected to the degradation and evils which he and his posterity have since experienced. The Bible will also inform them that our gracious Creator has provided for us a Redeemer in whom all the nations of the earth should be blessed – that this Redeemer has made atonement “for the sins of the whole world,” and thereby reconciling the Divine justice with the Divine mercy, has opened a way for our redemption and salvation; and that these inestimable benefits are of the free gift and grace of God, not of our deserving, nor in our power to deserve. The Bible will also [encourage] them with many explicit and consoling assurances of the Divine mercy to our fallen race, and with repeated invitations to accept the offers of pardon and reconciliation. . . . They, therefore, who enlist in His service, have the highest encouragement to fulfill the duties assigned to their respective stations; for most certain it is, that those of His followers who [participate in] His conquests will also participate in the tran¬scendent glories and blessings of His Triumph." -- John Jay
- Nannybell, on 10/19/2008, -2/+2Bombula,
- artguyko, on 10/18/2008, -2/+8she is NO CHRISTIAN
Does She Turn the other Cheek?
No She sticks her tongue in George Bush's Mouth - darkcthulhu, on 10/18/2008, -4/+10There is no god, santa, satan, easter bunny, etc. Get with ***** reality.
- voyetra8, on 10/19/2008, -2/+6I was going to digg you down because of your tone, but then I decided it would be better for people to see your lunacy.
So now I'm digging you up.
Congrats, moonbat! - znewick, on 10/19/2008, -1/+8Thomas Jefferson wrote his own bible removing all the supernatural acts of Jesus from it. Is he unamerican?
- crimsonkage, on 10/19/2008, -1/+5You don't need to be a christian to know about morality. Please pull that bible out of your ass and read it sometime.
Answer me this Nannybell, are you moral because god told you to be or because you believe it is the correct thing to do.
Dugg to show teh crazy. - omegaant, on 10/19/2008, -1/+7In the Jefferson bible, TJ removed all the contradictions and inconsistencies. Such as, how could someone who taught peace have ever said, "I came not to bring peace but a sword"? Answer: he would have never said that! TJ also wrote that Christianity itself WAS the anti-Christ! Poor Nannybell, just bought into what you were taught by well-intentioned (maybe) but ignorant people - giving labels such as "atheist" or "secular humanist" to people who dare to THINK - and glorifying those who believe these are the end times (and are making the earth a living hell) . What a narrow, hateful, disappointing world you live in. I suggest rather than fighting your self-righteous war against the evil ones who actually care about this earth and the FUTURE, that you just stay home and let those of us who want peace (like, whathisname, uh, Jesus?) try to make this a better place. Oh God, I do pray the Rapture happens soon. Bye bye!
- jongens, on 10/19/2008, -1/+9I'm not Christian, but you give Christianity a terrible name.
- EuroMarkus, on 10/19/2008, -1/+7She is NO Christian.
Spreading information you KNOW to be lies, is NOT Christian. - bondud, on 10/20/2008, -2/+0Thank you for your sanity in room full of idiots.
- bcarl314, on 10/18/2008, -4/+12You forgot the < /sarcasm > tag.
- PEMDAS, on 10/18/2008, -36/+4Not as crazy as a presidential candidate who kicked-off his political career at the house of a former terrorist who went into hiding to avoid prosecution from the U.S. government, but hey, this is digg, so yea Michelle Bachmann is crazier than a coconut.
- ironhide, on 10/18/2008, -5/+13I'm sick of seeing that lie.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/ayers_alon ...
*Obama's campaign really was launched when he got the backing of then state Sen. Alice Palmer (D-Chicago), who wanted him to replace her as she was planning a run for Congress. Palmer's backing gave him entrée into local influential political circles.
Obama and Palmer would later have a falling out that continues to this day. Palmer changed her mind and decided to run for re-election after all. Obama got Palmer and his other rivals knocked off the ballot. Palmer ended up backing Hillary Rodham Clinton's Democratic primary bid.
*Obama's formal kick-off to announce his run for state senate was at the Hyde Park Ramada Inn on Sept. 19, 1995. Obama was introduced by Palmer in a room filled with supporters at the Ramada, fronting Lake Michigan on South Lake Shore Drive, a stroll from the Museum of Science and Industry. - ChristPissed, on 10/18/2008, -2/+17Are you talking about John McCain's political fundraiser held at the house of convicted watergate felon cum domestic terrorist G. Gordon Liddy?
- zenbud, on 10/18/2008, -2/+7*facepalm*
Timothy McVie - nuff said. - flannerus, on 10/19/2008, -1/+4yeah, PEMDAS, gee the whole world is so ***** up and you Conservatives are the last strain of decency, faith, patriotism (dare I say intelligence? no, I don't) and righteousness. It's really too bad every news agency besides Fox and some conservative blogs are turning to the dark side; they just cannot be trusted!! Why, even a site with no bias (other than the opinions of its members) is completely slanted and subversive. Us citizens are truly....yep, UNREPENTANT!
- heystoopid, on 10/19/2008, -1/+2So please tell us all , what letters in the following words "denial" , "google" and "yahoo" scare the living daylights out of your one questionable one thought a time brain cell ?
Dugg , for using propaganda and fiction .
- ironhide, on 10/18/2008, -5/+13I'm sick of seeing that lie.
- ironhide, on 10/18/2008, -2/+21"Mr. Worf, villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well-camouflaged."
"I think, after yesterday, people will not be so ready to trust her.
"Maybe, but she, or someone like her, will always be with us – waiting for the right climate in which to flourish. Spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mr. Worf – that is the price we have to continually pay."
Picard and Worf - "The Drumhead" (which is an episode I think everyone should watch, fan or not)- Geography, on 10/18/2008, -0/+9Excellent episode!
"I've brought down bigger men than you, Picard!"
- Geography, on 10/18/2008, -0/+9Excellent episode!
- BobbyMC, on 10/18/2008, -2/+15“They aren’t just kind of gay-friendly, they are gay advocates at Proctor and Gamble… Here’s just a few other companies that support the pro-homosexual agenda. They include Levi-Strauss, American Airlines, Sarah Lee Bakery, Jaguar and LandRover.” — Michele Bachmann
- blackdaisies, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6Are you trying to tell me that my Sara Lee cheesecake is gay?
- sealink, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2I don't know. Is it FABULOUS cheesecake?
- bjornski, on 10/18/2008, -0/+7Thanks, I know who to buy from now.
I don't do business with bigots. - thedragon4453, on 10/19/2008, -0/+4***** like this is really hard for me to wrap my brain around. I mean, people still think like this? Really? That whole video made my head hurt.
- blackdaisies, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6Are you trying to tell me that my Sara Lee cheesecake is gay?
- pitdog, on 10/18/2008, -2/+11She looks like some scieno crazy.
- theviceroy, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1She totally got outrun a few times...
- bcarl314, on 10/18/2008, -3/+21On behalf of all Minnesotans, I'd like to officially apologize for this nut job. Our only salvation is that we do have some people elightened enough to elect Keith Ellison too. http://ellison.house.gov/
- 140Suffolk, on 10/19/2008, -5/+1Ellison? Yeech.
- BobbyMC, on 10/18/2008, -8/+3Come baby, come come baby.
- Hero0fTime, on 10/18/2008, -3/+24How do these people get to power? Seriously.
- dkistner, on 10/18/2008, -1/+7Other people who know better don't bother to vote and they don't bother to challenge misinformation when they hear it. Simple things like asking if you can change the channel in a waiting room from FOX to CNN can really make a difference.
Of course, this is not to suggest that there isn't a strong and sinister dominionist movement working in the background. There is. We have to vote in large enough numbers to wipe out their manipulated advantages. - DougChristian, on 10/19/2008, -0/+5From Wikipedia:
"According to Bloomberg.com news, evangelical conservative leader James Dobson was “trying to engineer a win for Michele Bachmann” in the 2006 campaign. Dobson's Focus on the Family operatives planned to distribute 250,000 voter guides in Minnesota churches to reach social conservatives, according to Tom Prichard, president of the Minnesota Family Council, a local affiliate of Dobson's group."
"Bachmann received support from a fundraising visit in early July 2006 from Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert.[30] On July 21, 2006, Karl Rove visited Minnesota to raise funds for her election.[31] In August, President George W. Bush came to town to keynote her congressional fundraiser, which raised about $500,000.[4] Bachmann has also received fundraising support from Vice President Dick Cheney.[32] None of these visits were made within her district, and most of her fund-raising came from outside of her district." - Mujokan, on 10/19/2008, -0/+3Ann Coulter writes books that become best-sellers. They are out there.
- Morchades, on 10/19/2008, -0/+2People like her tell everyone that they are good Christians and pro-family and pro-America. Since most of her constituents seem to be working 2 jobs they don't have the time to check up on her, they vote for the patriotic Christian lady with the nice smile because who isn't "pro-family"?
It's a scam. She uses her social skills to snow regular people. She's no better than a con artist, she just gets more money.- dupswapdrop, on 10/20/2008, -0/+3In my experience anytime someone needs to tell me that they are good Christians, it really means it's time for me to put both hands over my butt and run like mad!
- dkistner, on 10/18/2008, -1/+7Other people who know better don't bother to vote and they don't bother to challenge misinformation when they hear it. Simple things like asking if you can change the channel in a waiting room from FOX to CNN can really make a difference.
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