Meet Nate, the Neo-Conservative [COMIC]
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- MoofTheStoof, on 05/11/2008, -34/+151I found this spookily spot-on. Sort of illustrates how crazy this whole endeavor has been.
- afx1, on 05/11/2008, -4/+27lol
i wish there was some current event i could relate this to - seans9, on 05/11/2008, -4/+5your profile image is brilliant
- NeptuneZen, on 05/11/2008, -16/+8Everything is based on your perspective. Crazy was starting this war. But its also crazy to try to pull out this late in the game.
- laserdog, on 05/11/2008, -2/+13Yes, it would be insane to measure the cost vs benefit of an endeavor and react accordingly.
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -0/+13"But its also crazy to try to pull out this late in the game"
"Late" implies that we've got a victory in sight. We don't. We don't have any plan, nor do we have the will of the people on our side.
- jawagas, on 05/11/2008, -25/+9Though I can sympathize with your hippie feelings, I am a little to moderately intelligent to laugh at these funnies.
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -2/+20Someone of a baser intelligence knows the difference between too and to.
- bernoulliv2, on 05/11/2008, -1/+11too funny
- MoofTheStoof, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Little to moderate? How nice to see somebody who understands their own limitations...
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -2/+20Someone of a baser intelligence knows the difference between too and to.
- GetDrinkOn, on 05/11/2008, -7/+2I think its spookily ***** stupid. and so are you.
- afx1, on 05/11/2008, -4/+27lol
- buildbyflying, on 05/11/2008, -45/+33That's why neo-cons need a good old fashioned ass-whuppin.
Of course, most liberals don't have the cohones to do it.- hardwickj, on 05/11/2008, -4/+10No, they don't. But politically-incorrect moderates (or, as I'd like to call them, Realists) sure as the hell do.
- amdahlj, on 05/11/2008, -7/+3The only moderates are the ones who don't understand the issues...
- chaaalieboy, on 05/11/2008, -13/+18Liberals would be the better political orientation by far, if they weren't a bunch of PC obsessed, spineless pussies.
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -4/+6"Liberals would be the better political orientation by far, if they weren't a bunch of PC obsessed, spineless pussies."
PC is an invention of the right-wing idiots who run to hide racism and sexism behind the "shield" of ***** humor. - 1randomguyO8, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1***** you scum
- chaaalieboy, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3Ouch... If it makes you any less butt-hurt, i hate conservatives a lot more than i dislike liberals. I just find ultra-liberal rhetoric tedious, and just as stupid as neo-conservatism
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -4/+6"Liberals would be the better political orientation by far, if they weren't a bunch of PC obsessed, spineless pussies."
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -13/+9I'm sure they have the cahones to anonymously digg you down. :)
- djlosch, on 05/11/2008, -25/+13the worst problem is that most people who use the word "neoconservative" don't even know what it means. bush is not a neoconservative, nor is mccain. neoconservative means "new conservative". it's the name given to the liberals who defected. when people throw around the neocon label, it's improper rhetoric. what you guys should be saying is "conservangelist". that's what bush is -- a conservative evangelist.
- acroyear2, on 05/11/2008, -2/+18Lies. Center for New American Progress is neo-conservative and they've dictated the facets of this war and policy.
- BigW, on 05/11/2008, -4/+15Like it or not, neo-conservative really represents a more liberal leaning conservatism. It is evident in Bush's No-child-left-behind big government intrusion into education, his prescription drug program for Medicare, and his general belief in amnesty for illegal aliens.
In all these areas, neo-cons separate themselves from true small government conservatives and implement many things that the left truly desires.
What truly baffles me is how readily Bush has gotten buddy buddy with big wigs on the left to pass left leaning legislation (Kennedy specifically) when the left has nothing but complete loathing for him. I can't understand it. I have no clue why Bush is willing to poke true conservatives who had supported them in the eye on these issues. Thats the real reason his approval is so low. The liberals hate him for the war and many real conservatives are pissed at the policies hes passed and his insistence at not being fiscally conservative.
Neo-cons are not really new conservatives, they're bad conservatives.- JDove6, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2No child left behind was abandoned when we went to iraq...you need to watch The Power of Nightmares.
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3"neo-conservative really represents a more liberal leaning conservatism"
"Think of the children" social conservatism and international aggression is not liberal in its approach or policies.
- JDove6, on 05/11/2008, -1/+6You are an idiot, neoconservative is exactly the term, its the new conservative movement.
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -2/+9So how does it differ from traditional conservatism? What's so "neo" about it?
- acroyear2, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4Refer to Ron Paul.
This administration is delusional! - JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2lead2thehead just wants to play semantic games. Ok fine, let's say we scrap the neo-con label then. I've got a better one. Wilsonian conservatism.
Oh, and Ron Paul would be representative of Jeffersonian conservatism or 18th century liberalism, whichever terminology you want to use - lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1Asking you to define a word is a semantic game?
- JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3That's a fair point you make. However, the problem is that you seem to be making it out to be more vague than it really is and you seem to be trying to go for an official, dictionary definition of the word when the usage of the word neo-con in politics has been more of a colloquial usage that pretty much has an unofficial definition to it which you pretty much laid out in another post of yours in this thread when you quoted a multitude of descriptions of the word. All those definitions you quoted would fall under the umbrella of the neocon term except for the one about Jews. It's an informal word that is just being used in politics of today to identify with a certain stripe of republicans who favor a foreign policy of world hegemony, borrowing and spending deficits, FDR and LBJ type of spending, crony capitalism and Keynesian economic central planning.
The founders of this movement such as Irving Kristol are the ones who characterize this movement and are the ones from which this movement originated, having been Trotskyite democrats who crossed over.
I don't mind conceding the neocon word to you. It's really not that important to me. It's just a word. Regardless of how you want to identify it and define it, bottom line I just don't like the ideas associated with that word. - lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -2/+0"that pretty much has an unofficial definition to it which you pretty much laid out in another post of yours"
You realize that many of those definitions conflict with one another, right? - JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Ok, which ones? Like I was saying, the term neocon is a colloquial word being used to identify a certain set of characteristics and there isn't a hard and fast set definition of the word officially. I don't care anyway. I'll just come up with other words anyway to characterize these people. It's the ideas here that are relevant, not what one's terminology is
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Someone quick, what's Ron Paul's official definition!
- JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1Definition
Ron Paul: n.) a Texas congressman in the republican party also identified as a libertarian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul
I'll leave the political definition of him to people like you who are hung up on labels so much.
Since you had nothing to add to the discussion, what's the definition of chaosium? .....Troll! - chaosium, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1You are a humorless dweeb, JDen.
- JDenigma, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Why thank you. I always wanted to know what you thought of me :-)
- acroyear2, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4Refer to Ron Paul.
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -2/+9So how does it differ from traditional conservatism? What's so "neo" about it?
- djlosch, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4i thought this is a good explanation of it: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/02/15/140311. ...
the neocons are basically the southern evangelists. these guys feel strongly about religious family values more than anything.
"For example, he hasn't really done much to shut down abortion. All he did was ban Partial Birth Abortion which 80% of the public including a majority of Democrats oppose. Beyond that he hasn't pushed hard at all on the issue. As far as stem cell research all he did - even though even that little irritated a lot of liberals - was to cut federal funding for certain cell lines. He didn't do anything to stop privately funded research and didn't even cut funding to all the established research. As for gay marriage, it's a relatively bogus issue which no one but the extremists on both ends of the political spectrum cares strongly about."- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -4/+0That's one of a hundred competing definitions. And until the libs can agree on what the correct one is, it's just a slur.
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -9/+3It's a slur used to describe non-liberals. They like it because it sounds similar to "neo-nazi".
- esotericguy, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5a slur? Really now, it means a new conservative movement. Just like neo-nazi means the new nazi movement. Please refrain from polluting my tubes with your brain filth.
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1So please explain how it differs from traditional conservatism? What's so "neo" about it?
- kemp34, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3Old conservatives favored limited, constitutional government. Neo-conservatives favor big-government policy and basically Machiavellian political power over any form of principle.
- esotericguy, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5a slur? Really now, it means a new conservative movement. Just like neo-nazi means the new nazi movement. Please refrain from polluting my tubes with your brain filth.
- rmtatum, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2I meant to digg you down not up. I can't wait until the new comment system is released so I can undo diggs.
- Owwmykneecap, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6This comment demonstrates why America is *****.
not for the message it intends to put across but the one it accidentally dose.- buildbyflying, on 05/11/2008, -3/+2F'in awesome. Not only would I beat your ass, but I could correct your grammar in the process.
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2"Not only would I beat your ass"
You'd have to wipe the cheetos off your weeble-wobble frame and get out of the scooter first, internet toughguy.
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2"Not only would I beat your ass"
- buildbyflying, on 05/11/2008, -3/+2F'in awesome. Not only would I beat your ass, but I could correct your grammar in the process.
- acroyear2, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3This independent has plenty of cojones.
- Minarchian, on 05/11/2008, -5/+5Uh...WTF is the diifference between a Neo-Con and a liberal?
Not a damned thing!
They both start wars, grow government, get their noses into your private lives and steal our wallets.
Nope...there are no differences between a liberal and a neo-con.
- hardwickj, on 05/11/2008, -4/+10No, they don't. But politically-incorrect moderates (or, as I'd like to call them, Realists) sure as the hell do.
- Tangaroa, on 05/11/2008, -14/+74Tom the Dancing Bug is awesome. Have another Nate the Neocon strip:
http://images.salon.com/comics/boll/2006/11/30/bol ...
And here is another great Tom the Dancing Bug character, Lucky Ducky, who was based on a Wall Street Journal editorial where the WSJ honestly argued that poor people were luckier than the rich because their taxes were lower.
http://images.salon.com//comics/boll/2002/12/19/bo ...- LadyKofNYC, on 05/11/2008, -4/+6LOL!!!
- brad3378, on 05/11/2008, -8/+6I'm printing some of these out for the next time I visit a local Republican party event so I can sit back and watch the hilarity ensue.
So does this guy sell t-shirts? - Ryan166, on 05/11/2008, -6/+10According to that cartoon, Republicans don't just dislike high taxes going to the greedy government, they hate poor people, and celebrate when they die. I'm not sure that is accurate.
- Minarchian, on 05/11/2008, -7/+12Where did it say "Republicans" in that comic?
It's about neo-cons. Pseudo-Republicans.
For real Republicans....refer to Ron Paul.- Ryan166, on 05/11/2008, -7/+3The dog was complaining about giving away more than 1/3 of his income. It is implied that he is a Republican, quite possibly a neo-con. And "real Republicans" such as Ron Paul would also disagree with high taxes.
- Minarchian, on 05/11/2008, -5/+5I'm only trying to say that the neo-cons are saboteurs of the Republican Party and aren't truly "Republicans".
Noe-cons are one thing. Republicans are totally different.- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -4/+4"Noe-cons are one thing. Republicans are totally different."
They have far more in common than they differ.
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -4/+4"Noe-cons are one thing. Republicans are totally different."
- Minarchian, on 05/11/2008, -7/+12Where did it say "Republicans" in that comic?
- DeathJux, on 05/11/2008, -98/+200This is pretty ***** stupid.
I miss the days of digg being primarily a tech-related site, not a political springboard.- saxreturns, on 05/11/2008, -20/+137Try clicking the technology tab. It's better than living in the past.
...ah, sweet relief. - Skywise, on 05/11/2008, -20/+5That was politics?!
- JK1150, on 05/11/2008, -30/+15makes you wonder how many people read through the comic before digging it for it's liberal bias alone...
- mydigga, on 05/11/2008, -5/+12???
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -7/+6Reality has a left-wing bias. I suggest you check out of this life post-haste.
- pyro789x, on 05/11/2008, -6/+25How about you stop looking at the 'politics' section? Take it off your homepage.
- DurkaDONT, on 05/11/2008, -3/+26"Primarily a tech-related site"? You mean circle-jerking over every new Apple product and whining about Microsoft?
Yeah, what happened to this site?- Amplix, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5What happened to this website is that more control is being handed to the users. If you don't want Politics, filter it out - If you don't want Apple, filter it out.
Gosh, choice is so aggravating. /s
- Amplix, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5What happened to this website is that more control is being handed to the users. If you don't want Politics, filter it out - If you don't want Apple, filter it out.
- quomen, on 05/11/2008, -5/+4It doesn't matter. What he's saying is right. You're blind if you can't see the direction that Digg is headed in. It used to be the best place to get political news, now most of the diggers realized that submissions with the word Obama and Hillary get dugg up 10x more than most tech articles. This is affected the general pool of submissions that we have to choose from. Right now, I see 88 pages of upcoming stories in "Technology" section. How about "World/Business" (AKA Political News)? There are 137. Average diggs in the top 9 articles in technology is 478. World/Business is 981. We can block politics, but we're getting a watered down Tech news.
- tama00, on 05/11/2008, -1/+0They have actually done this on purpose to make the site target more people. You probably know that, but yeah i watch too much diggnation...
I think its a stupid idea, we created the popularity of this site with tech articles now that it is very popular they take it away from us to rub it in our face and try to make it even more popular.. - chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2"It used to be the best place to get political news, now most of the diggers realized that submissions with the word Obama and Hillary get dugg up 10x more than most tech articles"
This happens with pretty much every site on the internet come the US presidential elections. - fireashes, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Web 2.0 Baby has hit you...
- tama00, on 05/11/2008, -1/+0They have actually done this on purpose to make the site target more people. You probably know that, but yeah i watch too much diggnation...
- Disregard, on 05/11/2008, -3/+4Zzzzz tech. It's got 64mb extra ram and a curvier case! Let's discuss this for the next 2000 comments!
- saxreturns, on 05/11/2008, -20/+137Try clicking the technology tab. It's better than living in the past.
- Elvaanish, on 05/11/2008, -38/+34Spot-frickin'-on.
- jcm267, on 05/11/2008, -9/+4Not really. Not at all.
- ohmahgawd, on 05/11/2008, -23/+16LOL
- fpaudon, on 05/11/2008, -28/+15Can't really blame the leaders of a democratic society about the Iraq War when the citizens aren't doing anything to stop it
- Fordi, on 05/11/2008, -9/+9Sooooo...
If the leaders are being morons and actively trying to hide that fact and improve their public image, it's not their fault.
Good one. "Even though the experts said no, y'all didn't, so it's your fault!" ***** brilliant example of neocon logic.- fpaudon, on 05/11/2008, -6/+3Defending neocon's wasn't my intent; I was just pissed off at people blaming Chinese citizens for not improving their government
- apophenic, on 05/11/2008, -4/+11Yes, you can, because they've been lying, and refusing to listen to the people, for years.
- Fordi, on 05/11/2008, -9/+9Sooooo...
- JaNkz, on 05/11/2008, -34/+23I couldn't agree with you more DeathJux, and furthermore this cartoon is nothing but propaganda created solely to generalize all conservatives as complete assholes...
- glonq, on 05/11/2008, -10/+2Only the ones who are with them. Otherwise, you're against 'em.
- zephyear, on 05/11/2008, -6/+22neoconservative =/= conservative
republican party =/= conservative- PHiZ187, on 05/11/2008, -17/+7Buried for visual-basic or some other ***** "not equals" operator. That ***** is != . Use it, learn it, love it.
- nonstop87, on 05/11/2008, -3/+7This is VB's not equals, . Go to the wikipedia page of Inequation and you will see that his is actually the way it should be, he just had to get a little artsy.
- nonstop87, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4Idk why it didn't show up but here it is again. < > (without the space in between)
- PHiZ187, on 05/11/2008, -17/+7Buried for visual-basic or some other ***** "not equals" operator. That ***** is != . Use it, learn it, love it.
- notoneofus, on 05/11/2008, -11/+8"...created solely to generalize all conservatives as complete assholes..."
A generalization perpetuated by the actions of a large number of complete assholes who happen to be conservatives. - Fordi, on 05/11/2008, -10/+9Not conservatives. Neocons. There's a difference. Of course, despite the fact that the neoconconservative association wasn't made at any point in the comic, you decided they were connected.
I'd say, sir, that you're using neocon logic.- bobcat7407, on 05/11/2008, -2/+12It says "the neoconservative" right under the name "Nate".
- bjornski, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6Shhhhh.....
It's funnier this way. - Fordi, on 05/11/2008, -4/+3Right. And neoconservative != conservative. What part of this aren't you getting?
- Loonacy, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3I think he was saying that the association between neoconservative and conservative wasn't made in the comic, the whole point being the OP suggested that the comic was about conservatives.
- bjornski, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6Shhhhh.....
- bobcat7407, on 05/11/2008, -2/+12It says "the neoconservative" right under the name "Nate".
- kayala, on 05/11/2008, -7/+8As long as neoconservatives try to take away rights from people they feel are inferior, then yes, by my standards they are assholes.
- Gorgonzola44, on 05/11/2008, -13/+7Reminds me of Mike Birbiglia's Wiffleball Tony analogy, meaning it's spot on.
- MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Holy obscure reference batman!
Actually, I know what you're referring to, but no... it's not like that.
- MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Holy obscure reference batman!
- PHiZ187, on 05/11/2008, -38/+36I laughed until I cried.
The hilarious thing is that conservatives are, by in large, too stupid to understand what the comic is saying. Conceptual difficulty is like a secret language that conservatives don't speak.- postaldave, on 05/11/2008, -21/+22typical elitist left wing snobbery.
you think you are so damn smart but you are just a sheep thinking what the media tells you what to think.- swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -6/+20reading comprehension is elitist
- acroyear2, on 05/11/2008, -8/+5Guys! Guys! You're all too stupid to understand.
Signed, Ron Paul.
- acroyear2, on 05/11/2008, -8/+5Guys! Guys! You're all too stupid to understand.
- PHiZ187, on 05/11/2008, -11/+8Haha, you people don't get irony either do you? Let me point it out in an effort to enlighten you: you just criticized me for letting the media do my thinking, by insulting me with Rush Limbaugh's script. Hahah. Damn it is time to smash you fools out of my country.
The South will Raze again. - Los2002, on 05/11/2008, -6/+6Let me get this straight: conservatives support the wealthy getting wealthier at the expense of the poor and it's liberals that are elitist? I think you need a new dictionary.
- MadMonk67, on 05/13/2008, -0/+2See? There's your mistake. You have to put it in terms they understand. Try this:
BAAA! BAA BAA! BAAAAA!
- swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -6/+20reading comprehension is elitist
- nastronomical, on 05/11/2008, -16/+6I bet you have a Art degree..libtardicus ignoramous.
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -2/+7I bet you don't.
- d03boy, on 05/11/2008, -3/+4Conservative != Neo-Conservative
All responding threats are made moot at that thought - dedkittens, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3I'm conservative and i got it.
- postaldave, on 05/11/2008, -21/+22typical elitist left wing snobbery.
- aserer511, on 05/11/2008, -46/+29...really? as a registered republican, I can only saying this is the most dick way to convey a difference in views.
Grow the ***** up, libs- PHiZ187, on 05/11/2008, -14/+24You're serious? You're offended by a comic?
I'm offended that the president has bypassed the congress to engage in a pattern of spying on Americans and torturing foreign prisoners. And these WORDS offend you? We're going to pound the republicans into the DUST for what they've done to America's standing in the world. - iEnigma, on 05/11/2008, -22/+7Your kind isn't welcome on Digg.
- ZeRux, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Then go kill us, I know you would enjoy it.
- brad3378, on 05/11/2008, -3/+31That's odd - as a Registered Republican myself, I have to say that's a fairly accurate depiction of what our party has become.
The only thing I would change about the comic is that I would have his grandchildren pay for the game room for decades to come - for the sake of accuracy of course. - SoulDrift404, on 05/11/2008, -3/+6"the most dick way"? Wow, that's a horrible way to attempt to insult someone. Try not writing like an idiot, and maybe we libs might give a flying ***** what you think.
- PHiZ187, on 05/11/2008, -14/+24You're serious? You're offended by a comic?
- mrzack, on 05/11/2008, -38/+89/11 = NEOCON Inside Job
- BurningSky, on 05/11/2008, -15/+59That's not true. Americans have been protesting this war since before it began. I marched in Washington DC in 2005, there were 300,000 of us, but the MSM barely covered it...
- nastronomical, on 05/11/2008, -25/+7You mean 3000, since with Libs your numbers always get inflated to near astronomical levels when you protest..am i rite??!!??
- swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -3/+13kind of like when 50 Gathering of Eagles counterprotesters show up and claim they outnumber the tens of thousands protesting the war.
- JDove6, on 05/11/2008, -4/+20kinda like our debt since the conservatives took over?
- jull1234, on 05/11/2008, -6/+6Neo-Conservatives.
- aresgunther, on 05/11/2008, -3/+18I may be wrong on this, but I thought 2005 was _after_ the war began.
- carterbaldwin, on 05/11/2008, -4/+4And I marched in 2003, but that's not relevant to the comic.
- nastronomical, on 05/11/2008, -25/+7You mean 3000, since with Libs your numbers always get inflated to near astronomical levels when you protest..am i rite??!!??
- xenoc1de, on 05/11/2008, -15/+8amazing
- Picaroon, on 05/11/2008, -11/+17It would work if there were some form to unified opinion and group instead of such a factionalized, disparate variety of opinion in Iraq.
- yellowcakewalk, on 05/11/2008, -6/+5I'll bet you're a lot of fun to hang out with, Picaroon.
- jcm267, on 05/11/2008, -9/+3And I bet your hate America, hate Israel, love Hamas circles are just a joy to be around.
- yellowcakewalk, on 05/11/2008, -6/+5I'll bet you're a lot of fun to hang out with, Picaroon.
- plimpton777, on 05/11/2008, -26/+3Motherf*cker, I submitted this sh!t two days ago...
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Iraq_in_a_Nutshe ...
Yes I'm butthurt, and yes this comment is sh!t no one cares about.- LadyKofNYC, on 05/11/2008, -1/+5You have to send out shouts
- plimpton777, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3ooOOOooohhh...THAT'S what that's for XD
thanks yo.
- plimpton777, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3ooOOOooohhh...THAT'S what that's for XD
- LadyKofNYC, on 05/11/2008, -1/+5You have to send out shouts
- JK1150, on 05/11/2008, -35/+39is this guy a professional unfunny cartoon artist?
- usingpond, on 05/11/2008, -5/+1Haha wow. Are you used to Garfield?
- citydragon, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Nah, he's clearly an amateur.
- v1c1ous, on 05/11/2008, -30/+67yeah....it failed in 2 ways.
1 being funny. 2 putting its message across.- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -11/+18The funniest part is that the right wing morons don't understand the comedy of the cartoon. The strip was funny. The right winger's reaction is hilarious.
- d03boy, on 05/11/2008, -2/+8it has nothing to do with conservative. It has to do with republicanism. big difference
- Speed, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2It never said anything aobut conservative, it was talking about neo-conservative (republicans)
- d03boy, on 05/11/2008, -2/+8it has nothing to do with conservative. It has to do with republicanism. big difference
- yellowcakewalk, on 05/11/2008, -6/+9@chicofaraby, you're right, they really don't get the joke!
- jcm267, on 05/11/2008, -7/+1We get the joke. It's a poor analogy.
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -11/+18The funniest part is that the right wing morons don't understand the comedy of the cartoon. The strip was funny. The right winger's reaction is hilarious.
- shyboy2008, on 05/11/2008, -26/+15people who hate neo-conservatives are liberals
- plimpton777, on 05/11/2008, -6/+21LOL you just called RON PAUL a liberal...
- swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -3/+22not true, Ron Paul Republicans hate neocons, and they made up 5-15% of voters in the GOP Primary elections.
- PHiZ187, on 05/11/2008, -4/+12yeah, reality has a well-known liberal bias.
- diggadigga, on 05/11/2008, -1/+14or regular conservatives, or moderates, or just sane.
- Jexie, on 05/11/2008, -1/+10Or just real conservatives who hate seeing their political party hijacked by lunatics.
- internetcoward, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2regular people with common sense you mean...
- lodleader, on 05/11/2008, -29/+34wow an anti-republican post on digg... say it isnt so
Where is my digg of 3 years ago?- swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -9/+29All neocons are republicans but not all republicans are neocons.
- PHiZ187, on 05/11/2008, -11/+24I dunno, 4000 dead soldiers back?
- CptAmerica, on 05/11/2008, -16/+6What does that have to do with anything? Why are you glorifying the deaths of American troops?
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -4/+12You didn't understand the comic, did you?
- mandoris, on 05/11/2008, -9/+3You mean 4,000 employees back, there was no draft..
- dafunkmonster, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1Shutup, repeatobot.
- CptAmerica, on 05/11/2008, -16/+6What does that have to do with anything? Why are you glorifying the deaths of American troops?
- Jexie, on 05/11/2008, -10/+10Its evolved, quite unlike the Republicans.
- rolexxx11, on 05/11/2008, -4/+4Thats unfair. In fact the neocon concept is ALL about the evolution of the republican party. old skool republicans like ron paul represent the stagnation (which is NOT necessarily a bad thing!) of the party.
- Jexie, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2The neocons are all about rolling the clock back on time, putting the government and church back together...going backwards is not evolution.
- rolexxx11, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0I think you misunderstand. The nations government may be going back to church and state being one, devolving I suppose, but the Republican party is evolving because they are changing their core values. Evolution doesn't mean they are a better or more fit party, just a changed one.
- Jexie, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2The neocons are all about rolling the clock back on time, putting the government and church back together...going backwards is not evolution.
- rolexxx11, on 05/11/2008, -4/+4Thats unfair. In fact the neocon concept is ALL about the evolution of the republican party. old skool republicans like ron paul represent the stagnation (which is NOT necessarily a bad thing!) of the party.
- yellowcakewalk, on 05/11/2008, -15/+11Rubin Bolling ( author of this cartoon ) is one of the best cartoonists out there, find him at
http://www.tomthedancingbug.com
Sometimes his cartoons are political, sometimes just entertaining ALWAYS worth a read.
Ted Rall is another:
http://www.tedrall.com
always political, always funny- dafunkmonster, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1FIXED: My sense of humor is broken.
- nickweston, on 05/11/2008, -16/+9hopefully this breed is dying off....file them with dodos, lynchings, TVs without remotes....
- nastronomical, on 05/11/2008, -27/+17Your attempt at sarcastic liberal humour has failed, good sir.
- jcm267, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1Comedy Central bought up all of the funny liberal political comics. There are only so many to go around.
- Cody-Nolen, on 05/11/2008, -8/+20Why do we have to be a part of any party? My thoughts aren't the same as anyone else's, I am a individual... I thought all humans strive to be one of those.
The strip is funny too. =P- Velirno, on 05/11/2008, -0/+6Here-here for the individualist's party!!! :P
- laserdog, on 05/11/2008, -0/+7Because it is a lot of work forming your own opinion on each and every issue.
It's far easier to buy a pennant and cheer/boo the result of each play.
- gerbil20, on 05/11/2008, -18/+22It just doesn't get any lamer than this.
- tufftugg, on 05/11/2008, -25/+26 LMAO @ all the Neocons whining about the Comic Strip. You know it hit the point of Neo-ideology when they whine.
- patpl22391, on 05/11/2008, -16/+14LMAO @ the dumbasses who think this "comic" is funny.
- tufftugg, on 05/11/2008, -7/+7 lol...looks like at least five Neo's agree with you by digging the comment down, you guys are to easy!
- RAEP, on 05/11/2008, -5/+3case in point.
- CptAmerica, on 05/11/2008, -12/+10And if there was a comment making fun of liberals you'd be bitching like usual. But if it's you doing it, it's ok.
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -6/+5Are you the pot or the kettle in this scenario?
- brad3378, on 05/11/2008, -3/+9Actually, I'm a Republican (the old fashioned fiscal conservative / anti-war kind) - and yes - I'd be making just as much fun of the Liberals.
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -10/+5"I'm a Republican (the old fashioned fiscal conservative / anti-war kind) "
Ah, yes, the fictional kind.
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -10/+5"I'm a Republican (the old fashioned fiscal conservative / anti-war kind) "
- patpl22391, on 05/11/2008, -16/+14LMAO @ the dumbasses who think this "comic" is funny.
- coffee200am, on 05/11/2008, -24/+18Most "neocons" I know are pretty decent people. Some even dislike Bush for selling out to NAFTA, the UN and other "world organizations". Most could care less what foreigners think of them and stay pretty much to themselves. I'd rather live next door to a nice quiet "neocon" than to somebody always worried to death about what other people thought about them and when the black helicopters where coming.
- swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -6/+13hint: you don't know any neocons.
- coffee200am, on 05/11/2008, -5/+6hint: I have some in my family!
- swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5hint: neocons are a specific group of high government officials that have held office since the Nixon administration.. if you're related to any of them, congratulations, but I remain skeptical.
- jcm267, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1Since when did you have to be a high government official to be a neocon?
- coffee200am, on 05/11/2008, -5/+6hint: I have some in my family!
- buckrogers1965, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Could you ask one of them what the hell that neocon smirk is about?
- swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -6/+13hint: you don't know any neocons.
- brad3378, on 05/11/2008, -6/+32I had no idea there were so many John McCain supporters on Digg until this comic was posted.
Welcome to the party.
So where have you guys been?- fantasmacanino, on 05/11/2008, -3/+16Keeping those darn kids off their lawns, or learning how to use the interwebs.
- ZakKebron, on 05/11/2008, -7/+8I miss the days when comic strips were funny.
Then MAYBE a political message.
Berke Breathed...Bill Watterson... Gary Larson... where are you??- BECoole, on 05/11/2008, -4/+5Berke is still out there flogging his tired socialist BS with the cartoon Opus.
- avengingturnip, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1Opus! Socialist? He is just a penguin who misses his mommy.
- BECoole, on 05/11/2008, -4/+5Berke is still out there flogging his tired socialist BS with the cartoon Opus.
- AudioPhil3, on 05/11/2008, -2/+8I bet that neighbour is going to get a dog now.
- BECoole, on 05/11/2008, -15/+11As an allegory for Iraq, I give this cartoon a grade of fail.
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -14/+16Neoconservative" is not a political ideology. It's a slur. The word has no coherent definition. I looked it up on wikipedia and found at least 20 different, conflicting definitions. They include:
"newly conservative ex-liberals"
"members of the Republican Party"
"conservatives who supported the civil rights movement"
"former Democrats who embraced the welfare state but supported Ronald Reagan's Cold War policies"
"analogous to Bolshevism"
"militarist social democrats"
"people who support the Iraq War"
"a term rendered meaningless due to excessive and inconsistent use"
"anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats"
"a codeword for Jewish"
"closet imperialists"
And my personal favorite... "the intellectual heirs of older ex-leftists"- RedPhalanx, on 05/11/2008, -4/+3All but the jewish definition are correct.
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2So you're saying that George W. Bush is a socialist ex-liberal (or the intellectual heir of a liberal) Bolshevist who used to be a Democrat, but is now a conservative who embraces the welfare state and supports the civil rights movement? Yeah... makes perfect sense.
- JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1George Bush is likely just a puppet for the real "neocons" who surround him. You know, like Dick Cheney for example.
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -1/+0The point. You missed it.
- JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1George Bush is likely just a puppet for the real "neocons" who surround him. You know, like Dick Cheney for example.
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2So you're saying that George W. Bush is a socialist ex-liberal (or the intellectual heir of a liberal) Bolshevist who used to be a Democrat, but is now a conservative who embraces the welfare state and supports the civil rights movement? Yeah... makes perfect sense.
- swrostmore, on 05/11/2008, -4/+6What wikipedia are you reading? The one showing up on my internet has a very clear definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#Bush_ ...- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2The other definitions are clearly explained in the 25 paragraphs of drivel, just before the "people who act like Bush" section that you're referencing. Please RTFA.
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -3/+4Here is a good article about the neo-conservative movement and it's origins:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article67 ...
"There is a growing awareness that a reclusive German émigré philosopher is the inspiration behind the reigning neoconservative ideology of the Republican Party. Leo Strauss has long been a cult figure within the North American academy. And even though he had a profound antipathy to both liberalism and democracy, his disciples have gone to great lengths to conceal the fact. And for the most part they have succeeded -- as the article by James Atlas in The New York Times and the article by Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker indicate. This picture of Strauss as the great American patriot, who was a lover of freedom and democracy is pure fabrication. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The trouble with the Straussians is that they are compulsive liars. But it is not altogether their fault. Strauss was very pre-occupied with secrecy because he was convinced that the truth is too harsh for any society to bear; and that the truth-bearers are likely to be persecuted by society - specially a liberal society - because liberal democracy is about as far as one can get from the truth as Strauss understood it...."- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0That article does not define the ideology. It's a biography about a man whom the author labeled as a neoconservative.
- RedPhalanx, on 05/11/2008, -4/+3All but the jewish definition are correct.
- djcreamy, on 05/11/2008, -8/+6Why must they hate America?
- tufftugg, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6 How do you get from a Comic to 'hate America' in your mind? If your not a Neocon you hate America?
- exgop, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1Because most liberals despise this country
- TrevorBurrus, on 05/11/2008, -5/+14There are two honest questions that I'd like someone to field because I'm interested: What is a neocon? That is, what is your definition of neocon that resonates in that comic? And second, although I know it is impossible to really communicate this, why is this funny/true/perceptive?
- RedPhalanx, on 05/11/2008, -14/+9A neocon is a liberal with an imperialist foreign policy.
It's really not funny. It's true, but that makes it depressing, not comical.- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5So you're saying that with the exception of his foreign policy, George W. Bush is a liberal?
- JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -1/+14The labels conservative and liberal have become utterly meaningless today with the way they change over time, are interchangeable and are used and bandied about by so many people who overlap and share so much in common with each other in principle.
Those labels just get conveniently used in party politics to paint a false picture of a divide between two different teams who are really in collusion with each other to screw us all over.
The only real relevance anymore to those labels are just the dictionary definition of them.- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -7/+3I've noticed that the right wing is "over" labels like right or left or liberal or conservative. Suddenly, they think labels are passe and that Americans should "move beyond partisan politics."
Funny, they seemed perfectly content with partisan politics in the 1990s. They spent years trying to pin a crime on Bill Clinton in the Whitewater nonsense. When that turned out to be baseless ***** they used a tawdry sex scandal to win control of the government. They de-regulated the financial corporations. They cut the wealthiest Americans taxes. They de-railed scientific research. They forbade the discussion of abortion by health care professionals. They tried to tear down the wall between church and state. They had complete control of the government. They instituted their ideological positions. And the results are in... utter failure.
High unemployment, raging inflation, insane military spending, torture, domestic spying, corruption, financial sector in ruins, a plummeting dollar, an entire American city destroyed by negligence, billions of dollars "lost," insider sweetheart contracts, and hundreds of thousands of innocent, dead civilians.
So NOW you guys want to "get over" political labels.
Hell no. - JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6chico, your blind partisanship for the left never ceases to amaze me. Is there anything in your mind that the right wing ever does right and is there ever anything in your mind that the left wing has ever done wrong? Your are so blinded by your bias for the left that you seem to think all the evils brought upon us by government in the history of our country are all the result of just one party and the democrats are as clean and pure as the wind driven snow with you.
You might want to do some research on the history of both parties in our country. It isn't as blatantly one sided as you make it out to be. You rattled off a bunch of general allegations there, some of which I agree with and some of which I don't.
I know you think you know more about me than I know about myself, but I am not a "right winger" no matter how much you insist otherwise. I'm a libertarian and no libertarianism isn't left wing or right wing though you try to portray them as being right wing.
I know nothing I would ever say will ever convince a stubborn partisan hack like you.
You're not even worth my time. There's no getting through to you. - chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -6/+3Yes, I am a leftist. I don't like the Democrats. They are right wing and only slightly less evil than the Republicans. Libertarians are right wing. You can deny the left/right political axis but it doesn't disappear when you do.
I don't care if you don't like me. Obviously, I don't do this for the recs. - lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3"The labels conservative and liberal have become utterly meaningless today with the way they change over time, are interchangeable and are used and bandied about by so many people who overlap and share so much in common with each other in principle."
Okay, I'm with you there. - JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3chico,
Since you're so adamant about all of this and you see things in this myopic view of a left/right paradigm, why don't you define what you mean then by these terms? Define leftist in your mind and what sort of ideas and philosophy a leftist like you supports. Define the democrat party and the republican party. You seem to think everything about the government is "right wing", whatever in the hell that means, and that supposedly the "right wing" and the government in your mind is this capitalist exploiter that is against the "little man" and that business and the free market is inherently bad. I take it that's probably what's going on in your mind.
Our government today is a blend of both socialism and fascism and the terms left wing and right wing bear no relevance to that at all. No, the political spectrum is not this Flatlanders flat dimension of a single line running from left to right. You can't accurately categorize and identify people politically using that sort of spectrum.
Here is a more accurate depiction of the political spectrum, one with an x and y axis with four quadrants. http://www.okcupid.com/politics - JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Here's another interesting link that gives an in depth opinion of one man's view of the political spectrum with some interesting charts showing views of the spectrum. The author also, I think correctly points out, that laissez faire libertarianism and true liberalism in its original meaning are synonymous as liberal means laissez faire according to this author.
http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/articles/red ... - JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4Bottom line, forget about muddying the water with all the semantics and labels, the real issue is whether you support liberty or government intervention in peoples lives. Do you support the spirit of the old Common law where as long as a person hasn't actually committed violence against another person and brought harm by infringing upon their Natural Rights, that there should be no law against what they're doing. Do not support the initiation of aggression/force/violence through the proxy of government to get your way with things against other people.
- kemp34, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Anyone speaking of politics should be aware of the Nolan Chart. Right and left is an antiquated, pretty much lousy conceptual framework to view politics from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_chart - JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Here's the link again. It got cut off at the end.
http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/articles/red ...
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -7/+3I've noticed that the right wing is "over" labels like right or left or liberal or conservative. Suddenly, they think labels are passe and that Americans should "move beyond partisan politics."
- JDenigma, on 05/11/2008, -1/+14The labels conservative and liberal have become utterly meaningless today with the way they change over time, are interchangeable and are used and bandied about by so many people who overlap and share so much in common with each other in principle.
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -6/+4"A neocon is a liberal"
Yeah. And Mark Foley is a Democrat. Thanks for the input, Mr Murdoch. - chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2"A neocon is a liberal with an imperialist foreign policy."
*****, tax and spend is the Republican way, regardless of whether they tell you otherwise.
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5So you're saying that with the exception of his foreign policy, George W. Bush is a liberal?
- lead2thehead, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5This is a fantastic question, but it will no doubt be buried because it demonstrates that there is no coherent definition.
- brad3378, on 05/11/2008, -2/+9I like this definition best:
Neoconservative – A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional morality and pro-business policies. Tends to favor a very strong foreign policy of America as well.
Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarthy14.h ...- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1"Neoconservative – A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional morality and pro-business policies."
Considering that a conservative is driven by "moral", pro-America, and pro-business policies, that means nothing.
- chaosium, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1"Neoconservative – A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional morality and pro-business policies."
- RedPhalanx, on 05/11/2008, -14/+9A neocon is a liberal with an imperialist foreign policy.
- ramiro, on 05/11/2008, -10/+4This cartoon sucks so much that if it were suspended from a crane, it would lift a wrecking ball from the ground.
- yellowcakewalk, on 05/11/2008, -7/+10I live in DC, and it's a bitch trying to get these neocons out of my yard!
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -3/+5Try famciclovir.
http://www.famvir.com- yellowcakewalk, on 05/11/2008, -4/+1lol!
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -3/+5Try famciclovir.
- socivitus, on 05/11/2008, -4/+6I love it, Nate needs a TV show
- yellowcakewalk, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2Check Fox News, you may find him there.
- whatthefu, on 05/11/2008, -2/+17I miss the days of digg when people weren't complaining about how much better the old days were.
- GhostyBoy, on 05/11/2008, -5/+6Nate needs backup.
He should go knock down his dog house and tell his family that it was this guy.- ssn697, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4Over under, hip toss, then sink in the RNC. Toss him over the fence, leaving him laying in his own front yard in a pile of his own spittle...
But that's just me ;-)- brad3378, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1No - it's not just you - - Muh haha ha ha ah ha ah
- ssn697, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4Over under, hip toss, then sink in the RNC. Toss him over the fence, leaving him laying in his own front yard in a pile of his own spittle...
- Ricemanstm, on 05/11/2008, -8/+10buried. lame.
- EllsworthT, on 05/11/2008, -11/+10Nate intrudes into his neighbor's home? Ironically, it's liberals who have no respect for property rights. (Otherwise, I get the joke--cute but naive.)
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -5/+14"it's liberals who have no respect for property rights"
Tell that to the Iraqis.
- chicofaraby, on 05/11/2008, -5/+14"it's liberals who have no respect for property rights"
- hixxy, on 05/11/2008, -9/+10Who's honestly digging this?
- SoulDrift404, on 05/11/2008, -3/+3I'm dishonestly digging it, does that count?
- SemiSarcastic, on 05/11/2008, -5/+20I hate NEOCONS!
*holds out hand*
100 diggs please!- exgop, on 05/12/2008, -3/+1I hate cowardly liberals who keep sucking on their mama's titty because they are afraid of the big bad world.
- bmxxxxxxxx, on 05/11/2008, -10/+6I Thought Digg hated neo-cons like Barack and Hillary?
- GrodyChamp, on 05/11/2008, -7/+8This is one of the ***** submissions to Digg I've ever seen.
- FranksValli, on 05/11/2008, -3/+5That guy in the red shirt totally has WMDs!
- duieloking, on 05/11/2008, -7/+2This is awesome.
- TinternAbbot, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5I'm going to get buried for this, but the comic, while amusing, doesn't really provide a great allegory.
- DiogenesJr, on 05/11/2008, -12/+11Simplistic and vapid. Buried for the Hitler-esque visage of the neo-con and the smugness of the whole thing. Can't wait 'till November when you lefties will be claiming your loss is based on fraud and not on your complete inability to lead...
- quarkie, on 05/11/2008, -3/+5Actually the claim will be that it was Hillary sticking around too long.
- dafunkmonster, on 05/11/2008, -1/+5I always think its funny how unaware the Internet community is of its own supreme bias. A large portion of registered voters do not digg, blog, or youtube, and therefore, the demographic of repeatobot "OBAMA 08!" comments is not representative of what will happen in november.
Touche, sir...touche.
- NecroDigg, on 05/11/2008, -5/+9It wasn't even funny. And what the ***** is a neocon? sounds like something from star trek.
- OC73, on 05/11/2008, -5/+2It's a ***** political term that became popular after 9/11. Depending on how it's used, it could mean just about anything
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