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Will global warming create an Orwellian police state?
greendaily.com — It may not seem imminent here in the US yet, but in Britain -- many citizens are fully expecting a crackdown. 41% of Brits surveyed said that they think that there will be a 'carbon police force' by mid-century along with rehab centers for 'carbon addicts.' Philip Sellwood, the chief of the Energy Savings Trust says that the loss of civil liberties
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- alapoet, on 06/26/2008, -3/+7A ridiculous premise -- but one which the corporate power structure (i.e., Big Oil and Big Auto) love for the gullible public to believe.
- HanFastolfe, on 06/27/2008, -2/+1Then there are the even more gullible members of the public that embrace Big Government.
- Nosocialism, on 06/26/2008, -3/+6Everyone seems to think that Big Oil wants more drilling, well why would they want that? They're making more money than ever. The main reason Republicans want to open up new areas is to encourage new investments from new companies. Only with more competition will the price get any better. In the mean time, we're giving away A HALF TRILLION DOLLARS to the Oil Exporting countries so they can build towers and live it up on "our" money.
http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Half_Trillio ...- greenfyre, on 06/27/2008, -0/+3So if we reduce our energy consumption through sane conservation measures we solve both problems
- JigoroKano, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1They are making more money than ever, so they wouldn't want to make more?
That's like not wanting to bank triplets because you are banging twins.
- scamerica, on 06/26/2008, -11/+6Al Gore says any scientist who disagrees with him on Global Warming is a kook, or a crook.
Guess he never met these guys:
Dr. Edward Wegman--former chairman of the Committee on Applied and Theoretical Statistics of the National Academy of Sciences--demolishes the famous "hockey stick" graph that launched the global warming panic.
Dr. David Bromwich--president of the International Commission on Polar Meteorology--says "it's hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now."
Prof. Paul Reiter--Chief of Insects and Infectious Diseases at the famed Pasteur Institute--says "no major scientist with any long record in this field" accepts Al Gore's claim that global warming spreads mosquito-borne diseases.
Prof. Hendrik Tennekes--director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute--states "there exists no sound theoretical framework for climate predictability studies" used for global warming forecasts.
Dr. Christopher Landsea--past chairman of the American Meteorological Society's Committee on Tropical Meteorology and Tropical Cyclones--says "there are no known scientific studies that show a conclusive physical link between global warming and observed hurricane frequency and intensity."
Dr. Antonino Zichichi--one of the world's foremost physicists, former president of the European Physical Society, who discovered nuclear antimatter--calls global warming models "incoherent and invalid."
Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski--world-renowned expert on the ancient ice cores used in climate research--says the U.N. "based its global-warming hypothesis on arbitrary assumptions and these assumptions, it is now clear, are false."
Prof. Tom V. Segalstad--head of the Geological Museum, University of Oslo--says "most leading geologists" know the U.N.'s views "of Earth processes are implausible."
Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu--founding director of the International Arctic Research Center, twice named one of the "1,000 Most Cited Scientists," says much "Arctic warming during the last half of the last century is due to natural change."
Dr. Claude Allegre--member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences and French Academy of Science, he was among the first to sound the alarm on the dangers of global warming. His view now: "The cause of this climate change is unknown."
Dr. Richard Lindzen--Professor of Meteorology at M.I.T., member, the National Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, says global warming alarmists "are trumpeting catastrophes that couldn't happen even if the models were right."
Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov--head of the space research laboratory of the Russian Academy of Science's Pulkovo Observatory and of the International Space Station's Astrometria project says "the common view that man's industrial activity is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."
Dr. Richard Tol--Principal researcher at the Institute for Environmental Studies at Vrije Universiteit, and Adjunct Professor at the Center for Integrated Study of the Human Dimensions of Global Change, at Carnegie Mellon University, calls the most influential global warming report of all time "preposterous . . . alarmist and incompetent."
Dr. Sami Solanki--director and scientific member at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Germany, who argues that changes in the Sun's state, not human activity, may be the principal cause of global warming: "The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures."
Prof. Freeman Dyson--one of the world's most eminent physicists says the models used to justify global warming alarmism are "full of fudge factors" and "do not begin to describe the real world."
Dr. Eigils Friis-Christensen--director of the Danish National Space Centre, vice-president of the International Association of Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, who argues that changes in the Sun's behavior could account for most of the warming attributed by the UN to man-made CO2.
And many more, all in Lawrence Solomon's devastating new book, The Deniers- strutting, on 06/26/2008, -5/+7Several of those quotations are entirely fabricated, and there are a lot of angry researchers asking to be taken off of that list.
- scamerica, on 06/27/2008, -4/+5no
- greenwald, on 06/27/2008, -1/+3Scamerica, Your rather short on words when you've no more misinformation to cut and paste.
- scamerica, on 06/27/2008, -4/+5no
- greenfyre, on 06/27/2008, -5/+8scamerica's standard post, all nonsense, totally debunked by user monoa http://digg.com/environment/Proof_of_Global_Warmin ...
- strutting, on 06/26/2008, -5/+7Several of those quotations are entirely fabricated, and there are a lot of angry researchers asking to be taken off of that list.
- 3tcp, on 06/26/2008, -1/+6Global warming won't, a lack of vigilance by people to protect their civil liberties will.
- akston, on 06/27/2008, -1/+1As is made explicit in the article, it's quite possible that the truth lies between these two opposing camps - that anthropogenic climate change is real, and that it's been conveniently appropriated as an excuse to clamp down on our freedoms.
"Philip Sellwood, the chief of the Energy Savings Trust says that the loss of civil liberties can and should be avoided, but it requires that people voluntarily reduce their carbon footprint."
Well, there are a number of painless things that can be done to make a difference. (Eg, switch to an alternate power provider if one is available in your area, like Bullfrog in Ontario) In the end, most of the pollution is coming from corrupt industry anyhow. Will they be responsible and spend the extra money on R&D, carbon capture, etc, or simply insist the rest of us suck it up and move onto their plantations? In the end, is anyone going to act responsibly?
Not to get all Alan Watt on you, but the Club of Rome, a rather 'prestigious' thinktank, wrote in the 70s that in order to achieve global unity, some sort of crisis had to be cooked up, and that global warming fit the bill. Decide for yourself - google 'club of rome first global revolution' - greenfyre, on 06/27/2008, -2/+5When a society decides that a behaviour that had been a liberty is in fact a threat to the values and well being of that society then it is pretty common for the society to use their justice system to enforce the new values on those who refuse to conform.
Examples include owning slaves, wife beating, union busting, murdering commoners, child labour, child abuse, beating persons of ethnicity, religion, or politics X (Welsh, Friesians, Catholics, Jews, Native, whatever). Is this a bad thing?
One thing we can be fairly certain of, people will not be persecuted simply for being Muslim or of colour - how about we deal with that real police state problem first, maybe we will learn how to prevent further abuses in the process.- Nosocialism, on 06/27/2008, -1/+1And to Liberals, Republicans are all those things...
- greenwald, on 06/27/2008, -0/+3The bad news is that a an Orwellian police state is inevitable the good news is that they will only be able to pursue you on bicycles.
- Nosocialism, on 06/27/2008, -1/+1I don't think so Greenwald, you see Al Gore might want YOU to live in a Solar Powered Box, but he'll stick to his Carbon Spewing Fuel Soaking, Energy Fleecing Mansion, because you see, unlike US, he's not one of the LITTLE PEOPLE, so he gets special privileges, just like the Old Communist Party Bosses would spout the evils of the greedy Capitalists, whilst they had ornate palaces and luxury cars for themselves.
If anything the Carbon Police will probably be flying around in Moller Air Cars (getting 8MPG).- greenfyre, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1A speculative ad hominem attack proves what exactly?
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