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BREAKING: Bush Commutes Scooter Libby's Prison Sentence
msnbc.msn.com — WASHINGTON - President Bush spared former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby from a 2 1/2-year prison term on Monday, issuing an order that commutes his sentence
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- luckyscs, on 10/11/2007, -50/+1228Freeing the guilty, imprisoning the innocent, Thats our Bush!
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -298/+36The president's power to commute a sentence or pardon someone exists for precisely a case like this, where a man is prosecuted for purely political reasons.
- supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -14/+167There are THOUSANDS of people out there who are in prison for obstruction of justice.
Why does justice ignore these people?
Why the hell do we even call it justice?
What bush did is cronyism, pure and simple. He'd never do it for a democrat.- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -77/+16Of course not, because Chuckie Schumer wouldn't have pressed for an investigation if it was a democrat... That's the point here, he was prosecuted for forgetting a conversation. No normal person would be prosecuted for doing what Libby did. He obstructed justice in a case where there was no underlying crime committed. No one was ever prosecuted for the supposed "leak."
- hipnerd, on 10/11/2007, -6/+42Actually, it was the CIA that asked the Justice Department for an investigation. Patrick Fitzgerald was chosen because he was seen as apolitical. He has attacked political corruption on both sides of the aisle, prosecuting Republican Governor George Ryan early in his career, then indicting top aides of Richard Daley, the powerful Democratic mayor of Chicago on mail fraud charges., He is currently investigating Rod Blagojevich, the Democratic governor of the state.
He notably did not prosecute is case in the media. Nothing was leaked until he announced his findings. To claim his investigation was politically motivated is laughable -- especially considering the leak of Valerie Plame's name most certainly was politically motivated. - xister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Oh how naive- Yes, he just FORGOT a conversation. Just like Al Gonzales forgot most of the ***** he did when he was questioned. It's a common malady of people in politics when they're under oath.
- Monk22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1when sandy berger gets prosocuted for stealing classified documents in his undies and socks ill care about this.
- hipnerd, on 10/11/2007, -6/+42Actually, it was the CIA that asked the Justice Department for an investigation. Patrick Fitzgerald was chosen because he was seen as apolitical. He has attacked political corruption on both sides of the aisle, prosecuting Republican Governor George Ryan early in his career, then indicting top aides of Richard Daley, the powerful Democratic mayor of Chicago on mail fraud charges., He is currently investigating Rod Blagojevich, the Democratic governor of the state.
- luckyscs, on 10/11/2007, -14/+26So you want people who are breaking the law to be over looked? Even if it was a democrat, its still breaking the law. Just because he was 'profiled' for being Republican doesn't erase that he is a criminal. ***** you.
- supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -15/+18Did I ever say that I'd want him to do it for a democrat?
I'm just pointing out that it would NEVER happen if it were a Democrat.
I think ANYONE who is a criminal should serve their sentence.
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -77/+16Of course not, because Chuckie Schumer wouldn't have pressed for an investigation if it was a democrat... That's the point here, he was prosecuted for forgetting a conversation. No normal person would be prosecuted for doing what Libby did. He obstructed justice in a case where there was no underlying crime committed. No one was ever prosecuted for the supposed "leak."
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -11/+146He lied to a grand jury about his knowledge of why a CIA agent was outed. Remember the Clinton impeachment? Me: "he's being impeached for sex" idiotic Republican friends: "No, it's because he lied about it." Oh how the old becomes new again. It's called perjury you dickwad.
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -51/+18So you're saying Clinton should have served time too? Either that or you're a hypocrite. I personally believe neither of them should serve time, both were political witch-hunts.
- Coven, on 10/11/2007, -7/+63You're forgetting a crucial difference between the two cases. Libby was convicted, Clinton was not.
- stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -11/+37Do you really think you are convincing anybody that this was the same as the political witch hunt you right wing losers pulled on Clinton? You must really think people are dumb as you.
Once again, you two-bit spinning prick, this was about perjury and obstruction of justice during an investigation into OUTED A COVERT CIA Agent, which is TREASON. Now people can rightfully say Republicans are traitors. Your ***** spin just shows how far you sellouts will go all at the expense of America itself. I'd step on you like a roach if I could. - jroyale, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25Clinton wasn't convicted because he didn't lie. Oh, he went right up to the line, but legally, Clinton didn't commit perjury, so he wasn't convicted. Strange but true.
- hipnerd, on 10/11/2007, -4/+33Plus the underlying "crime" in Clinton's case was lying about sex. In Libby's case, it was lying to cover up a conspiracy to leak an undercover CIA operative's name for purely political reasons. There is an enormous amount of difference in the consequences of both acts.
- Charlotte_Web, on 10/11/2007, -20/+9Actually, I would disagree that Clinton's was a purely political witch hunt. The difference being that Clinton really was a serial sexual predator. Women from his own party testified of being sexually assaulted by him. When Clinton perjured himself, he was trampling the rights of a private citizen. I'd hate to see a sitting or former president thrown in jail, but I definitely think that he should have stepped down from the presidency. Ironically, if he had done so, Al Gore would have put the Lewinski scandal behind him and would have been the incumbent president in 2000, possible securing the election for himself.
Contrast that with the political witch hunt that convicted old man Libby, who couldn't remember a conversation. The prosecutor ALREADY KNEW that Richard Armitage was the leaker, and knew that Armitage had leaked it accidentally. Add to it that Valarie Plame wasn't an undercover operative in the field, and that her status as a CIA employee was already compromised because of her husband's high-profile role. - xister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@Charlotte Web : The only problem is that no president on either side of the spectrum would step down willingly. It would have get to the point where somebody would have to tell them to their face that they're going to go to jail and have no other options before they'll take THAT walk of shame.
- supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -9/+38If you do the crime, do the time, plain and simple. I dont care if you are republican or democrat. You shouldnt get political favors that we, the american people, do not get.
- Monk22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1not true clinton and many presidents before him had 600+ pardons while president
- supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -18/+7Oh, so I'm getting dugg down?
Fine. Maybe I'll get dugg up for saying... " If you are a member of the party in power, and highly ranking, you can commit crimes and expect to be pardoned if people catch you. You tried really hard to make it to your position of power, and shouldnt be treated like other American citizens".
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -51/+18So you're saying Clinton should have served time too? Either that or you're a hypocrite. I personally believe neither of them should serve time, both were political witch-hunts.
- jroyale, on 10/11/2007, -4/+50Partisan???? WTF. Everyone involved in this case - the defendant, the prosecutor, the judge, were all Republicans. You're just making ***** up.
And in case you didn't know it... it is against the law to lie under oath in front of a grand jury.- rharlow, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Judge was appointed by Bush and described as "by the book". Bush will have one friend when this is all over - his bottle of Beam.
- coinman987, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20troll, i think we can all ignore this monkey
- coinman987, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Okay this is what I meant to say before the time went up.
Troll, I think we can all ignore this monkey. Unfortunately, we can't ignore the one who runs this country. - 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -14/+2Why am I a troll? Because I told the truth? Why do you think the President has the power to pardon? My statement is 100% fact.
ps. You ran out of time writing a 2 sentence post? Must have been putting some deep thought into that second sentence.
- coinman987, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Okay this is what I meant to say before the time went up.
- khfn, on 10/11/2007, -5/+32Libby was sentenced jail time because he's a CRIMINAL.
- EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8And what would you have said if Libby gave the information to the Russians?
"Yo Igor! You know that Ms. Plame is an undercover CIA agent? No, she really is!"
The right wing nutcases would have gone ballistic, but this was just to an American journalist, so it must be OK.- Monk22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1what if you knew what you were talking about? armitage was the leaker, this case was not about the leak you idiot.
- grr74, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12@0xbaadf00d
You call this political persecution? What do you call leaking the name of one of the people protecting you to the press? Bush and his entourage are the antichrist masturbating in a convent and nobody seems to care. Since you so obviously are a patriotic good ole boy, you could bloody well have volunteered to serve Libby's time in jail.
- supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -14/+167There are THOUSANDS of people out there who are in prison for obstruction of justice.
- virtualball, on 10/11/2007, -35/+11More like "That's our Dick!"
Sorry, I had to :) - UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -27/+53WTF? Can we not do anything to stop this *****? What's next? I know...
Paris Hilton gets out of jail today due to an illness (which is not disclosed, because felons have rights too). In other news, the constitution has been deemed un-constitutional by the Bush Administration... A WWE wrestler is wacked out on some Roids and goes crazy. Mel Gibson pulled over. Michael Jackson likes little boys. Some white trailer trash ho dies and someone wants to take her stolen money. Soldiers die. There is no spoon!- virtualball, on 10/11/2007, -5/+27I'm sorry...WTF?
- UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -6/+25My point was, main stream media covers everything, but the "real" important *****...Sorry you didn't get it...
- Innova69, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10Bravo! Very nice synapsis, "Unstable". But, you know, he IS right on.
- UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -6/+25My point was, main stream media covers everything, but the "real" important *****...Sorry you didn't get it...
- AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -4/+19You forgot:
One Digger with an UnstableMind goes crazy on Digg and posts everything that's happened within the last three years of news. - EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Is the 2nd amendment just a bad excuse for owning some shiny guns? It really looks that way, even though the gun nuts use it all the time and argue they need weapons against the government... What the hell does the government have to do in order for people to come true on their *****?
- BelXul, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Indeed. The second ammendment was put in place to give people the bare bones ability to fight back. Since it has been demonstrated time and time again that they've been walking all over us, my question is why is it that very few actually take up their arms and fight back?
- SydBarrett420, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Try "taking up arms" and see how it goes. Get as many people as you can muster. You may think of yourself as "patriots", but in minutes the news will have you painted as "terrorists" and everyone in the American Public will be clamoring, not to support your cause, but to see a bullet put in your head.
Its sad, but true.- GliTCH82, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The only exception to this is if the government is so unpopular that half the population are willing to do the same, then one of 2 scenarios could play out. Either a civil war will play out or if more people stand up against the government a revolution will unfold and a new government will be instituted in its aftermath. I think the founding fathers knew that the right to bear arms in order for militias to stand up to government would only occur in an extreme, such as a few sons of bitches finding loopholes in the constitution to declare themselves emperor or something.
- SydBarrett420, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Try "taking up arms" and see how it goes. Get as many people as you can muster. You may think of yourself as "patriots", but in minutes the news will have you painted as "terrorists" and everyone in the American Public will be clamoring, not to support your cause, but to see a bullet put in your head.
Its sad, but true.
- SydBarrett420, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Try "taking up arms" and see how it goes. Get as many people as you can muster. You may think of yourself as "patriots", but in minutes the news will have you painted as "terrorists" and everyone in the American Public will be clamoring, not to support your cause, but to see a bullet put in your head.
- moocow1452, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2We didn't start the fire! It was always burning, since the world's been turning.
- xister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Thanx for reminding me, Billy.
- virtualball, on 10/11/2007, -5/+27I'm sorry...WTF?
- paradexes, on 10/11/2007, -25/+14He has also taken over the role of the Judicial system. Yep concentration camps are coming soon for all of those he considers terrorists (meaning EVERYONE who disagrees with his opinion) We need to seriously raise a stink with congress. Those pussies in office are doing very little. We need to vote independent since it seems both parties are either in cahoots or a bunch of pussies. I suspect both.
- Preacherman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17He hasn't taken over the role of the Judicial system. Since the adoption of the Constitution, the President has always had the power to pardon or commute sentences. He's well within his executive powers do do this. Check it out, yo:
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec2.html
- Preacherman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17He hasn't taken over the role of the Judicial system. Since the adoption of the Constitution, the President has always had the power to pardon or commute sentences. He's well within his executive powers do do this. Check it out, yo:
- heliox, on 10/11/2007, -44/+6Just out of curiosity, what innocent person(s) did Bush imprison?
- luckyscs, on 10/11/2007, -6/+57If you are innocent until proven guilty then all those 'terrorists' who were imprisoned without a trial.
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -1/+28Pre-emptively: The fifth amendment applies to all people under US jurisdiction, citizens or not. And even then there are citizens in the "Bush has detained without charges group", i.e. Jose Padilla.
- Innova69, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14We all know that it is: Guilty until proven innocent. Despite what the opriginal words were written as, it is not the precedent any longer.
- Innova69, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14We all know that it is: Guilty until proven innocent. Despite what the opriginal words were written as, it is not the precedent any longer.
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -1/+28Pre-emptively: The fifth amendment applies to all people under US jurisdiction, citizens or not. And even then there are citizens in the "Bush has detained without charges group", i.e. Jose Padilla.
- archistudent, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12For starters: http://www.roadtoguantanamomovie.com
- luckyscs, on 10/11/2007, -6/+57If you are innocent until proven guilty then all those 'terrorists' who were imprisoned without a trial.
- stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -12/+105@0xbaadf00d,
You dishonest ***** right wing loser... you know this wasn't merely political. The man helped commit treason!- corporalclegg24, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1.
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -22/+2Treason? Ha! If treason was committed why didn't they even prosecute the guy who they KNOW leaked the name? Because it wasn't a crime! Douchebag. ***** you too you dishonest left wing nutsack.
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11First off outing an active CIA agent is a crime.
Second... Outing an agent to quell dissent for a phony case for war giving no care for how that compromises the state of our national security is egregious.
Third.. Do you really think the fact that no one has been prosecuted ... yet... on the leaking of this CIA agent, gives you the eminence to adamantly deny treason occurred?
Libby was a bargaining chip. Bush commuted his sentence to keep him quiet.
Whatever happens, Libby committed a crime and there was certainly a much more heinous crime committed which remains unsolved. Dont go taking a lack of a conviction as a sign otherwise.- rationalist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9"First off outing an active CIA agent is a crime"
Ironically, it was Bush's father who *made* it a federal crime. - Monk22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1its like a broken record. Libby didn't leak the name. she wasn't even undercover. Armitage leaked the name. WTF do you call letting sandy Berger off with trial after stealing classified docs? try again next time dumb ass
- rationalist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9"First off outing an active CIA agent is a crime"
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11First off outing an active CIA agent is a crime.
- mal1964, on 10/11/2007, -4/+39Anyone know how I should explain this to my five year old son?
- jroyale, on 10/11/2007, -1/+58Son, it's ok to lie if you work for the President.
- scottmoss, on 10/11/2007, -17/+12And oral sex really isn't sex....
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10bu bu bu but
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Don't tell him about it. Protect him from the evils of this world as long as you can.
- grakker, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Do what I'm doing for my 9 year old. I'm looking for employment overseas....
- grakker, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Do what I'm doing for my 9 year old. I'm looking for employment overseas....
- alphaterminus, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16Kinda like I had to explain stains on Monica's dress to my daughter. Although I'd take Clinton's spew over Bush's stupidity any day at this time.
- Octegon, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Why did you have to explain the stains on Monica's dress? How old was your kid?
- GliTCH82, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You conveniently forgot to mention how you explained that as well.
- neshcom, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10I do.
Don't.- satx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Really, like a 5 year old cares about stuff like this.
- GliTCH82, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2They might, I cared about a lot of stuff when I was 5 that my parents never thought I should care about.
- GliTCH82, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"Comment appears to be empty!" "SHUT THE ***** UP!" - Me
- satx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Really, like a 5 year old cares about stuff like this.
- coyoteblue, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Cry and tell him you're moving to Canada?
I think that's what I'll do - grazie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19Tell him that there are corrupt people controlling America at the moment, and most of the world, but that the Internet has provided a place where the people can educate and empower themselves to uncover this corruption and bring about change. Tell him he's growing up in an amazing time where the entire world can now communicate with each other, learn about each other, understand each other and demand accountability from those who seek to dominate them and others. Tell him that life is a constant struggle for freedom, and that at times it will feel as if he and others are losing that struggle, but that should just firm his resolve even further. Tell him eventually the many will overcome the few, and we will have a better world because of it.
- mal1964, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Is that how you told your son?
- jroyale, on 10/11/2007, -1/+58Son, it's ok to lie if you work for the President.
- scottmoss, on 10/11/2007, -19/+81 name.... Sandy Berger.....
- jclawson, on 10/11/2007, -12/+4Seriously!! Can anyone say double standard?
- SenorCardgage74, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I can say douchebag.
Youre a douchebag.
- SenorCardgage74, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I can say douchebag.
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Um .... did Berger get pardoned?
and what does taking home COPIES of confidential information have to do with lying to federal agents about the outing of an active CIA agent?- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2Hmm, that's funny, the reason Armitage wasn't charged is that she wasn't an active CIA agent.
- rationalist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5That is a false assertion. Read the trial proceeds. You are deliberately bearing false witness and spreading lies in order to promote your political agenda. No wonder you don't think it is a big deal for a high government official convicted of treason to not serve a day in prison.
Are you so afraid of the truth? I guess you know the facts aren't with you, so you try to hide them - but I have to wonder, why you would support a position that you know is wrong, and why you would justify lying about it in order to prevail?
Forget Libby - where is your ethical standard? - Monk22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1speaking of "You are deliberately bearing false witness and spreading lies in order to promote your political agenda" IT WAS FOR PERJURY YOU ***** MORONS NOT TREASON.
wheres your ethical standard now i just caught you in a bold faced lie
- rationalist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5That is a false assertion. Read the trial proceeds. You are deliberately bearing false witness and spreading lies in order to promote your political agenda. No wonder you don't think it is a big deal for a high government official convicted of treason to not serve a day in prison.
- elbanyo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0Not Covert... key words NOT COVERT... IAW the current definition.
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2Hmm, that's funny, the reason Armitage wasn't charged is that she wasn't an active CIA agent.
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -1/+31 acronym... STFU
Even if your fantasies about Berger were true, what impact did they have? Who did he put at risk?- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2Who did Libby put at risk? No one. He didn't leak Plame's identity. It is well known that Richard Armitage did. He wasn't charged because no crime was committed.
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1another name.... Marc Rich.
Well, I guess that's a little different, he paid good money for his pardon.- rationalist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5So, your argument is that your man Bush is as corrupt and morally bankrupt as you insist Clinton was?
Odd defense.- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -5/+0No, idiot, are you also outraged by Clintons hundreds of pardons? Every Pres does it. Don't be a hypocrite.
- rationalist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5So, your argument is that your man Bush is as corrupt and morally bankrupt as you insist Clinton was?
- jclawson, on 10/11/2007, -12/+4Seriously!! Can anyone say double standard?
- alphaterminus, on 10/11/2007, -12/+73I voted for Bush the last 2 elections. I ***** up and watched Fox News too much. Now when I watch it I just feel sick. I only get my news from the Internet now... blogs, cnn, etc. I read conservative and liberal websites and the most extreme of them lie, the neocons are mindless zombies and the liberals are ***** whiners. I'm still a republican, and I live in Iowa. On August 11th I'm driving to Ames to vote for Ron Paul in the Straw Poll. On January 14th I'll support him in my local Caucus in Grinnell. However, if he does not secure the GOP nomination, and one of the other zombies do, I'll vote for Obama in '08 (unless he has Hilary or Edwards as his running mate, at which time I'll write in Kevin Rose).
(This isn't Ron Paul spam. I'm still doubting his energy policy and that is one of the main reasons I'm jumping camp for Obama in 08 when one of the neo-con zombies gets the GOP nomination)- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11Im sorry (for everyone) it took people like you that long .... sounds like you have a ways to go yet too.
- spinchange, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3Dugg for writing in Kevin Rose.Write in Al Gore or Mike Bloomberg
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8A Ron Paul supporter who doesn't think that the other candidates are "corporate-controlled zionist warmongers". There need to be more people like you, or people like you need to speak up more. Most Ron Paul supporters seem to give him a bad name.
- rainergamer, on 10/11/2007, -9/+3So you voted for Bush twice, and now you're contemplating Obama.
So Republican threepeat, then? - Shandooga, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"I voted for Bush the last 2 elections."
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So *YOU'RE* the one! This is all YOUR fault! - Chicken2nite, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1My hope would be Obama/Biden, making it a mix between youth and experience. I really think it would be best for the GOP to have to sit this election out, get back to having a platform beyond simply getting re-elected. Then again, I'm a Canadian, so what do I care really.
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11Im sorry (for everyone) it took people like you that long .... sounds like you have a ways to go yet too.
- p51d007, on 10/11/2007, -20/+10he gets a commuted sentence, while a REAL criminal, SANDY BURGLAR (who took documents from the government) has absolutely NO prison time.
(yeah, it will get dugg down, that's the nature of the socialist/liberals that populate digg.com)- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13ummm ... COPIES of the documents... the actual documents are still with the government... Its not as harsh of a crime. Berger's sentence was no less or more than is standard for a first time offense of such small magnitude.
- mojibake, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1and yet violating copyright can land one of us plebeians in jail...you still have your copy..
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6what the hell?
HE IS ALLOWED TO COPY THE DOCUMENTS..Thats how they keep the ACTUAL documents secure. Hes just not allowed to take some of the copies out of the building.
Im sorry but copying someone elses original art for profit, and copying US documents for review are two entirely unrelated situations. - Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1"Breuer said Berger believed he was looking at copies of the classified documents, not originals." We just don't know, do we? He should have served time for removing sensative documents. Were you outraged when you heard this? It was calculated with the intent to help or not hurt Clinton.
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Does the government pay people like you to post this tripe? Seriously, how much gasoline have you sniffed to think that the Berger myth is in the same category as revealing an undercover intelligence agent for political purposes?
- Monk22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1what are you smoking thinking that the libby trial had anything to do with the cia outing case it was for perjury.
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13ummm ... COPIES of the documents... the actual documents are still with the government... Its not as harsh of a crime. Berger's sentence was no less or more than is standard for a first time offense of such small magnitude.
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19Contact your reps ... do it right now.
http://www.house.gov/writerep/- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -10/+1No.
- smackywentz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6We'll see if there is anything to this terrorist watch list. I sent Joe Barton an e-mail:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19570520/
If you guys in Congress don't get your ***** together you're likely going to be facing a New American Revolution. I hope this serves as a warning to you and your colleagues, start serving the people.
- funkyjunk3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Administration official commits crime. Crime is prosecuted by law enforcement. Main sentence is waved by same administration. Dumb *****!
I must note that Bill Clinton did officially pardoned dozens upon dozens of people in his presidency. However, I don't remember any staff of his administration getting a pardon.- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -9/+0What does that matter?
- endersadvocate, on 10/11/2007, -19/+3Thats our clinton!
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm- funkyjunk3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14a lot of those do make sense. I mean, some dude was in jail for 22 years on drug possession before he was pardoned. I think 22 years is enough for such a crime. A lot of them are drug charges, or other petty things that were done in the 60s/70s.
- endersadvocate, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1A lot of them werent.
Look at all the fraud and corruption that were punished.
The point is, this was expected and its hilarious that most of digg sees this as something new and horrible. Its a part of the CONSTITUTION, that piece of paper everyone claims is being ripped apart. Yet they dont seem to think that way when the law applies in favor of the president. - endersadvocate, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1went unpunished or erased from their records.
Since it is not letting me edit. - 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Marc Rich was pardoned for donating to Clinton's library. Is that justice?
Libby forgot a conversation which turned out to be inconsequential anyways, because the underlying crime was never charged (the leak).- SydBarrett420, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Do you assholes ever talk in anything but semantics? I'm sick of you right wing and left wing assholes trying to use red herrings and arguments about small trivial details to drive people away from the important issues.
the fact is, regardless of what you think of the Plame case, the President of the United States basically said "***** you" to the judicial and decided he himself would do the sentencing. I don't wanna hear "Mark Rich...." blah ***** blah. Bill Clinton was a ***** too,t hat much is certain. However, nothing trumps the nonstop barrage of jaw dropping arrogance that permeates the current administration.
It saddens me that our choices for President are a fem-Nazi bitch, a wet behind the ears know nothing in Obama, a faux Indy panderer in John McCain, and a ***** in Rudy whose answer to everything is more police and tougher punishment. Too bad someone didn't shove a broomstick up that ***** ass.
- SydBarrett420, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Do you assholes ever talk in anything but semantics? I'm sick of you right wing and left wing assholes trying to use red herrings and arguments about small trivial details to drive people away from the important issues.
- xister, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1lol! Looking through the Clinton pardons:
Roger Clinton 1. W. D. Ark. 1. 1985 1. Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846
2. W.D. Ark. 2. 1985
2. Distribution of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Forgot all about that one...
- ConfusedONE, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7"One of these days Laura, I'm going to punch you in the face!"
- Shandooga, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Who's Laura? Should I hate her too?
- adb44, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21The decision "cheered conservatives." The same conservatives who advocate years and years of jailtime for a 3 strike marijuana conviction, I wonder? But they're right, ruining someone's professional life (Valerie Plame) and then lying to a grand jury about it is totally cool.
- ThinkBox, on 10/11/2007, -24/+4Clinton Pardon's List
The Associated Press
Saturday, Jan. 20, 2001; 1:52 p.m. EST
A list of the people pardoned or commuted Saturday before President Clinton left office, as released by the White House:
COMMUTATIONS:
Benjamin Berger
Ronald Henderson Blackley
Bert Wayne Bolan
Gloria Libia Camargo
Charles F. Campbell
David Ronald Chandler
Lau Ching Chin
Donald R. Clark
Loreta De-Ann Coffman
Derrick Curry
Velinda Desalus
Jacob Elbaum
Linda Sue Evans
Loretta Sharon Fish
Antoinette M. Frink
David Goldstein
Gerard A. Greenfield
Jodie E. Israel
Kimberly Johnson
Billy Thornton Langston Jr.
Belinda Lynn Lumpkin
Peter MacDonald
Kellie Ann Mann
Peter Ninemire
Hugh Ricardo Padmore
Arnold Paul Prosperi
Melvin J. Reynolds
Pedro Miguel Riveiro
Dorothy Rivers
Susan Rosenberg
Kalmen Stern
Cory Stringfellow
Carlo Anibal Vignali Jr.
Thomas Wilson Waddell III
Harvey Weinig
Kim Allen Willis
PARDONS:
Verla Jean Allen
Nicholas M. Altiere
Bernice Ruth Altschul
Joe Anderson Jr.
William Sterling Anderson
Mansour Azizkhani
Cleveland Victor Babin Jr.
Chris Harmon Bagley
Scott Lynn Bane
Thomas Cleveland Barber
Peggy Ann Bargon
David Roscoe Blampied
William Arthur Borders Jr.
Arthur David Borel
Douglas Chrles Borel
George Thomas Brabham
Almon Glenn Braswell
Leonard Browder
David Steven Brown
Delores Caroylene Burleson, aka Delores Cox Burleson
John H. Bustamante
Mary Louise Campbell
Eloida Candelaria
Dennis Sobrevinas Capili
Donna Denise Chambers
Douglas Eugene Chapman
Ronald Keith Chapman
Francisco Larois Chavez
Henry G. Cisneros
Roger Clinton
Stuart Harris Cohn
David Marc Cooper
Ernest Harley Cox Jr.
John F. Cross Jr.
Reickey Lee Cunningham
Richard Anthony De Labio
John Deutch
Richard Douglas
Edward Reynolds Downe
Marvin Dean Dudley
Larry Lee Duncan
Robert Clinton Fain
Marcos Arcenio Fernandez
Alvarez Ferrouillet
William Dennis Fugazy
Lloyd Reid George
Louis Goldstein
Rubye Lee Gordon
Pincus Green
Robert Ivey Hamner
Samuel Price Handley
Woodie Randolph Handley
Jay Houston Harmon
John Hummingson
David S. Herdlinger
Debi Rae Huckleberry
Donald Ray James
Stanley Pruet Jobe
Ruben H. Johnson
Linda Jones
James Howard Lake
June Louise Lewis
Salim Bonnor Lewis
John Leighton Lodwick
Hildebrando Lopez
Jose Julio Luaces
James Timothy Maness
James Lowell Manning
John Robert Martin
Frank Ayala Martinez
Silvia Leticia Beltran Martinez
John Francis McCormick
Susan H. McDougal
Howard Lawrence Mechanic
Brook K. Mitchell Sr.
Samuel Loring Morison
Charles Wilfred Morgan III
Richard Anthony Nazzaro
Charlene Ann Nosenko
Vernon Raymond Obermeier
Miguelina Ogalde
David C. Owen
Robert W. Palmer
Kelli Anne Perhosky
Richard H. Pezzopane
Orville Rex Phillips
Vinson Stewart Poling Jr.
Norman Lyle Prouse
Willie H.H. Pruitt Jr.
Danny Martin Pursley Sr.
Charles D. Ravenel
William Clyde Ray
Alfredo Luna Regalado
Ildefonso Reynes Ricafort
Marc Rich
Howard Winfield Riddle
Richard Wilson Riley Jr.
Samuel Lee Robbins
Joel Gonzales Rodriguez
Michael James Rogers
Anna Louise Ross
Gerald Glen Rust
Jerri Ann Rust
Bettye June Rutherford
Gregory Lee Sands
Adolph Schwimmer
Albert A. Seretti Jr.
Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw
Dennis Joseph Smith
Gerald Owen Smith
Stephen A. Smith
Jimmie Lee Speake
Charles Bernard Stewart
Marlena Francisca Stewart-Rollins
John Fife Symington III
Richard Lee Tannehill
Nicholas C. Tenaglia
Gary Allen Thomas
Larry Weldon Todd
Olga C. Trevino
Ignatious Vamvouklis
Patricia A. Van De Weerd
Christopher V. Wade
Bill Wayne Warmath
Jack Kenneth Watson
Donna Lynn Webb
Donald William Wells
Robert H. Wendt
Jack L. Williams
Kavin Arthur Williams
Robert Michael Williams
Jimmie Lee Wilson
Thelma Louise Wingate
Mitchell Couey Wood
Warren Stannard Wood
Dewey Worthey
Rick Allen Yale
Joseph A. Yasak
William Stanley Yingling
Phillip David Young- DUSTOFF101, on 10/11/2007, -14/+2Hey whoa! What you doing!? You can't post stuff like that here! We are currently in the mindset that Bush is the only one who has ever commuted someones jail time... This just undoes everything... You will surely be dug down...way down... no one here wants to acknowledge this... no one... ever...
- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1Oh No!!!! Some facts for a change!!
- RevEng, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9The fact that Clinton commuted many sentences has nothing to do with the fact that Bush is currently commuting a sentence for a man who has committed several crimes including lying before a grand jury. What does the current case have to do with any of these other cases? If nothing other than they were "sentences that were commuted", then please stop wasting my bandwidth.
- zestyhedgehog, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8If you look at the pardon list, you will see that those people actually were in jail at the moment of their pardon. Not like Libby who hasn't even seen the jail's door. So don't compare apples and oranges.
- Chicken2nite, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1So Libby's 30 month Jail term was too harsh? I'm curious to see the stats on how many people Bush has commuted sentences for as both Governor and President when compared with other Governors and Presidents. Rather than say a list of names with no context.
- DUSTOFF101, on 10/11/2007, -14/+2Hey whoa! What you doing!? You can't post stuff like that here! We are currently in the mindset that Bush is the only one who has ever commuted someones jail time... This just undoes everything... You will surely be dug down...way down... no one here wants to acknowledge this... no one... ever...
- rationalist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16What a childish argument - "but Mommm, Jimmy did it too!"
The topic is Bush's commutation of the sentence of a man who committed treason (under a law passed by Bush's father), jeopardized the security of the United States, endangered human assets around the world, hampered the effort to control nuclear proliferation, thus making the world a dangerous place for everyone in the world, and was then convicted of lying before a Grand Jury.
And your response is to put up a list of people Clinton commuted?
I suppose you defended the Watergate break-in by posting a list of people who robbed Seven-Elevens - and would defend the execution of an innocent man by posting a list of people murdered in their sleep.
Odd sense of morality and ethics you authoritarian apologists have.- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -8/+0Hypocrite. Were you outraged at Clinton?
- xister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1*ring* ring*
41: Hey 43, how come you're not obeyin' my law?
43: Awwww Dad!
41: Got to "honor the father", son...
- blorc, on 10/11/2007, -10/+3I'm not particularly fond of Bush, but:
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
Obviously, pointing fingers and saying "Look! Clinton did it too!" doesn't necessary make Bush's decision right; however, it's quite silly to act as if it's some blatant display of criminal behavior if you're not going to call others on it, too. Just a few things from the above link that Clinton pardoned people for:
Bank embezzlement
Conspiracy to defraud the United States
Conspiracy to defraud the United States by obtaining payment of false claims, presenting false claims to the United States, forging a writing, and aiding and abetting
Obstruction of justice
Receiving and selling stolen motor vehicles and aiding and abetting the same
Assault with dangerous weapon
Importation of cocaine
Bribery of a public official
Making a mutiny during wartime
Wire fraud, mail fraud, racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, criminal forfeiture, income tax evasion, and trading with Iran in violation of trade embargo
The list goes on.
Clinton = 450 pardons and commutations
Reagan = 406
Carter = 566
Bush Sr. = 77
This isn't anything new, folks. It's just high profile.
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -298/+36The president's power to commute a sentence or pardon someone exists for precisely a case like this, where a man is prosecuted for purely political reasons.
- an0nymous, on 10/11/2007, -41/+1028*****.
- Aggaman, on 10/11/2007, -9/+120Unsurprisingly, he's being cheered by the insane on LGF.
You Americans really need to remove this man from office, and then "deal with" his supporters.- epicstruggle, on 10/11/2007, -24/+6Im curious how would you like to "deal with" them? Sometimes I see no difference between religious wackos and anti-bush wackos.
- staxofmax, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18The difference is logic and ethics.
- Aggaman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9How do you suggest we deal with these contemporary Brownshirts? Appeal to the law doesn't work. Appeal to evidence doesn't work. Appeal to reason doesn't work either. What's left?
I can't say I liked Bush senior, or that I agreed with his politics, but he was, at root, a reasonable man. An old fashioned conservative if you will - someone who understood the fundamental rules required to have a decent government.
Hell, even Nixon was a saint compared to this clown. You didn't see him pardoning his crooks IIRC.- SydBarrett420, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Yeah he was a reasonable man who set himself up with Saddam in the 1980's so he could bomb him in the mid 1990's. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Perhaps him and ol Ronnie can go set the AIDS program back another 15-20 years with their theories of G.R.I.D. and their failure to regulate the blood supply and dismiss HIV as a "fags disease"
- SydBarrett420, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Yeah he was a reasonable man who set himself up with Saddam in the 1980's so he could bomb him in the mid 1990's. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
- ryanissuper, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Castration.
- bysin, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14What supporters?
- Waterrat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+26 I think he means the religious right fundies who are working hard to turn this country into a theocracy.
- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1OMG! You loonies really DO think this, hunh! Wow.
- xister, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4@Mavrik64
From Wiki:
"In God We Trust" is the current national motto of the United States. It was declared as such by an act of Congress in 1956.
"One nation, under god"
Prominent legal challenges have been based on the contention that state-sponsored requiring or promoting of the Pledge is unconstitutional because it violates one or both of the religion clauses in the First Amendment. Religious proponents have pointed to the phrase "under God" in the pledge as proof that religion is a required part of American life. For example, President George H.W. Bush has stated that atheists are not "citizens" or "patriots" because "[t]his is one nation under God." (American Atheist News Journal, Robert I. Sherman)
Who are the *****' loonies here?
- Waterrat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+26 I think he means the religious right fundies who are working hard to turn this country into a theocracy.
- DeathBorn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Uh...how do you expect "us Americans" to remove Bush from office? Believe me, we're trying.
- soogy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Trying how? I'll bet the large majority of people are simply sitting on their asses at home, complaining about what a ***** president is at work.
Why the ***** is this guy still the President? Why doesn't everyone just set a date and time, and then everyone can march up to the White House at that exact moment and deal with this *****? - lostangelonline, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0try harder. let everyone know what he, his administration and the "money masters"(yes. you read right. just google it) are up to
- soogy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Trying how? I'll bet the large majority of people are simply sitting on their asses at home, complaining about what a ***** president is at work.
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6There is a population of people in this country that will support their political heroes at the expense of law, ethics, even the principles the country is founded on. I'm sure you have a similar population in whatever country you belong to.
If Bush gave a speech tomorrow that we need to put every Muslim in the US in prison to fight against terror, you'd see the same messages of support at LGF that you do now.
- epicstruggle, on 10/11/2007, -24/+6Im curious how would you like to "deal with" them? Sometimes I see no difference between religious wackos and anti-bush wackos.
- UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -7/+14Look at the bright side, at least we'll get to see him in Lil' Bush on Comedy Central.
- Blandanomics, on 10/11/2007, -3/+58I wish I could double digg
- richdrogpa, on 10/11/2007, -11/+2That's what I liked about the old digg. I could double-, triple-, even quadruple digg, if my fingers were fast enough;) Totally true!!!
- withincontext, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6It's not, actually. You'd see the number increment multiple times but once you reloaded the page the # of diggs had only increased by 1, not more.
- Wootery, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Didn't that turn out to be a client-side illusion?
- withincontext, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Yes, because of the asynchronous development method (otherwise known as AJAX).
- Amablue, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Ew, you're not allowed to eat the chip'n'dip at my parties anymore.
- richdrogpa, on 10/11/2007, -11/+2That's what I liked about the old digg. I could double-, triple-, even quadruple digg, if my fingers were fast enough;) Totally true!!!
- Deodrus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16Correction. *****.
- TyphoidTimmy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+36Let me addendum that
You stupid, stupid, insipid ass-kissing douchebag. Is there a shred of dignity in you, anywhere at all? ***** the president, ***** the cabinet, ***** em all.
Just do the obvious, next time you need to get on the air, just get up on the oval office desk, drop trou, spread, and say in your best smug ass voice "Kiss my ass suckers, you voted me in and I can do whatever the hell I want. Looking forward to shellacking every relation we have to the entire world till I get the boot. Until then, watch me wipe my ass with your law system."
GOD DAMMIT! I need an aspirin... - gary210, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Have you seen his mother? Hell of an insult, that. Well deserved, though.
- an0nymous, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Holy *****. Try this on: If he was pardoned he couldn't have claimed the fifth or appealed. He still cannot be compelled to testify and still has the ability to appeal. A commutation works even better than a pardon for the administration.
- Innova69, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Aggaman, if it were really that simple, a lot of us would be doing that. But, instead, we have the homeland waffen SS, ready to beat us senseless and take us Guantanamo, Syria, or Peru to to make us shut up and be complacent citizens.
The solution seems simple. However, the most obvious road is not always the path of wisdom.- Aggaman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1You're Americans.
From what I've read on the internet that means that all of you have assault rifles in your kitchen cupboards...
j/k- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Not this crowd. Only loony libs hear. Guns are evil!!! So are rocks, I guess. And cars, and knives, and. . .
- xister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2What's really evil is atrocious spelling. But who knows? Maybe loony libs are the only ones that hear.
- Aggaman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1You're Americans.
- UberNick, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Cheap, lying, no good, rotten, floor flushing, low life, snake licking, dirt eating, inbred, over-stuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fatass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spineless, worm-headed sack of monkey *****!
- JohnD212, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Will this ***** President just die!!! He and his vice ***** are just evil spawn that are doing nothing but running this country into the ground. His legacy will be corruption and I suspect that months and years after he leaves office...we will learn how deep his corruption went. DIE PRESIDENT BUSH!
- Aggaman, on 10/11/2007, -9/+120Unsurprisingly, he's being cheered by the insane on LGF.
- tHePeOPle, on 10/11/2007, -29/+337Standard Operating Procedure.
- Insightful, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24This is a man who said that he will not intervene until Lewis has exhausted his appeals. I guess "the Decider" has decided to go back on his words.
- dolinn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12His word was never worth *****... what made you think it would be worth anything now?
- archistudent, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13hahahaha. It was his campaign (good ol' Rovie Boy) who accused Kerry of being a flip-flopper. Now he does it too!
- Toast1185, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7That's actually not that far from the truth. Look at Clinton and even what Ford did, but at least they had the tact to do it at the end of their presidency. I suppose that when your approval rating is that low though and you're still in office, you don't have to worry about much.
- JonnyTrombone, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5More like ***** Up Beyond All Recognition.
- u2wedge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6or better yet... Operation Standard Procedure
- Insightful, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24This is a man who said that he will not intervene until Lewis has exhausted his appeals. I guess "the Decider" has decided to go back on his words.
- omgTHEPATRIOTS, on 10/11/2007, -29/+594Can we start impeachment proceedings for the entire administration already?
This is a mushroom tat on the face of democracy, as far as I see it.- dav0, on 10/11/2007, -11/+32hey Americans, how about you actually DO SOMETHING about it instead of just complaining on digg??
write your congressman, organize a rally on craigslist, do a picket march in your downtown, start a website
as a Canadian I fear for what your govt is able to get away with unchallenged- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -9/+1Keep your comments in Canada as well, eh?
- lostboy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+33(full disclosure, I'm from the UK). When ever I hear talk of impeachment, one of the common things I hear is that there is no point, it's too late in the game. Is this really the case? Is impeachment a tactic to be employed at an earlier time, or is it about justice? What justice will be served if bush is never indited for his war crimes, his civil rights crimes and those his cabinet has committed in the name of your country?
Let's not forget that all the venom and bile we hear on digg is hardly representative of a greater mass of Americans. After all this website attracts a certain type of person of a certain age. In the same way that it's easy on the Internet to be an ePeen it's also easy to brag and to shout brashly about how shocking something is. How many people shouting in these threads will write to their congressmen or even go next door and tell their neighbour?
So diggers, what ya gonna do, what ya gonna do when they come for you?
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.- craum, on 10/11/2007, -10/+0Marxism and Communism are bankrupt "religions" with nothing positive left to add to the human condition (if they ever did). Therefore the only way they can perpetuate is to make the practice of contrary ideas such as conservatism and the free market illegal. Thus the current practice of the Demonrats incarcerating people like DeLay and Libby for the crime of being conservative.
Your perversion of Martin Niemoller's words not withstanding, why would you stick up for a man-centered religion that caused the death of more people in a century than all the other world's religions probably caused in a millennium?
Marxism: From each according to his ability to each according to his need
Feminism: From each according to his ability to each according to HER need- MaximumPig, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2 that's right, we should let the nazis take the communists away. . . doofus
- craum, on 10/11/2007, -10/+0Marxism and Communism are bankrupt "religions" with nothing positive left to add to the human condition (if they ever did). Therefore the only way they can perpetuate is to make the practice of contrary ideas such as conservatism and the free market illegal. Thus the current practice of the Demonrats incarcerating people like DeLay and Libby for the crime of being conservative.
- Innova69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14@dav0, I have been doing that for the past three years, right after my uncle was killed by a sniper in Falluja. I think that Americans for the most part are just worn the ***** out. I most fear being fired if we are shown protesting on TV by the corporations that we work for (which pay the salaries of congress), Or there is such a dis-connect between the current age groups of our Digg audience for example, that everyone wants to rant, but not neccessarily jump out in front waving a board or flag for their escaping freedoms...
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4innova-I think the folks who are here on Digg, well, some of us anyway, are probably fairly politically engaged. Probably some of us are contacting our Congresspeople, haven't voted for Monkey Boy etc. Unforutnately, there are vast swaths (well, the swaths are getting smaller) of folks who have had the wool pulled over their eyes and/or are just wackjobs anyway. You can't blame people from other countries for wondering what the ***** is going on over here. And btw, commisserations on your uncle. My family back in England was wondering what was going on with Monkey Boy in 2002. This is exactly why people were trying to discourage the US from war in '03. If you don't care about the route a country's going down, well you don't say anything. But if you care about it, see it's making a mistake, and think you can appeal to its better nature, well, you try and point out the pitfalls. And that's why France and Germany and others tried to discourage us from the war there. But as I was saying, people are just venting....shoot, we all need to.
- Innova69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Sorry all, I ran out of time to finish my comment posting. I meant to say that "I think that most people fear getting fired,...."
Anyway, Toddcat had put sensible words in place after, and I agree this country is fast sliding down the *****.
- Innova69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Sorry all, I ran out of time to finish my comment posting. I meant to say that "I think that most people fear getting fired,...."
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4innova-I think the folks who are here on Digg, well, some of us anyway, are probably fairly politically engaged. Probably some of us are contacting our Congresspeople, haven't voted for Monkey Boy etc. Unforutnately, there are vast swaths (well, the swaths are getting smaller) of folks who have had the wool pulled over their eyes and/or are just wackjobs anyway. You can't blame people from other countries for wondering what the ***** is going on over here. And btw, commisserations on your uncle. My family back in England was wondering what was going on with Monkey Boy in 2002. This is exactly why people were trying to discourage the US from war in '03. If you don't care about the route a country's going down, well you don't say anything. But if you care about it, see it's making a mistake, and think you can appeal to its better nature, well, you try and point out the pitfalls. And that's why France and Germany and others tried to discourage us from the war there. But as I was saying, people are just venting....shoot, we all need to.
- duhblow7, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5We could, but Dick Cheney would act as the presiding officer. We're screwed.
- cjhowe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Because of the conflict of interest, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is the presiding officer. However, I fear that's not much better.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/11/2007, -12/+2I just got an email about a big Sept. 15 Impeachment March in Washington DC.
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/Survey?SURVEY_ID=1320&ACTION_REQUIRED=URI_ACTION_USER_REQUESTS
Email letter: (sorry if it's long)
~A message from Ramsey Clark~
"Time is short: The question is whether we have the will to act"
Help support the September 15th march in Washington
--Please Circulate Widely--
Dear Daniel,
I am writing to you with the hope that you will help us organize and promote the September 15th March in Washington DC. Thousands of Americans from around the country will join together to demand the impeachment of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and insist on the immediate end to the war in Iraq. September 15th is the date General David Petraeus is mandated to make a report to Congress on the progress of the so-called surge. The eyes of the national and international media will be focused on Washington DC at that time.
In the coming weeks we will be taking out newspaper ads, producing 500,000 leaflets, flyers, and stickers, and setting up outreach committees for the September 15th March in Washington all over the country. I hope we can count on you to help in this momentous effort. Time is short. The question is whether we have the will to act.
President Bush has said ...”the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude.” Feeling unappreciated he has questioned “...whether or not there is a gratitude level that’s significant enough in Iraq.” Let us count the acts of the Bush Administration for which the Iraqi people should be grateful.
We need your help
How much will you give to impeach Bush? Please act now, as if the future of the country depends on it.
It is essential that we raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to organize buses, to take out newspaper ads, to print 500,000 flyers, stickers, and posters, to cover the cost of sound and stage, and more. We can succeed but only with the help of you and thousands of other people.
Please make a donation today by clicking this link -- you can make an online donation or send a check.
—US violence has brought death to hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s and physical injury to millions.
—Hundreds of billions of dollars in property destruction caused by U.S. aggression will take decades after peace to rebuild.
—2.2 million Iraqi’s, nearly one in ten, have fled their country to foreign exile, refugee camps and a doubtful future while at least 2 million more have fled their homes and communities to furtive lives of quiet desperation, to inadequate housing within Iraqi, without jobs or schools.
—3/4's of the people do not have safe drinking water.
—Iraqi’s internationally acclaimed and free health care system is a shambles.
—Since Shock and Awe began in March 2003 infant mortality in Iraq has increased radically to the highest death rate of all nations.
—Iraq is the most unstable country in the world.
—The sight and sound of violent death has created a pervasive state of constant devastating fear.
For this Iraq should be grateful?
It must be clear to every informed and thinking person that President Bush has no concern for human suffering, truth, freedom, democracy, peace, justice, human rights, or the Constitution of the United States. His words and acts are designed only to increase his personal power and achieve his personal agenda and that of those who share his goals and hatred.
To this end, he will destroy relations with Russia by placing missile defense systems on its border inside Poland and in the Czech Republic, he will impose Wolfowitz on the World Bank, and he will retain Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General.
President Bush intends for a major American military force to remain in Iraq for the foreseeable future even if it destroys that country utterly and turns the whole world that cares about justice against the United States. Look only at the $600 million dollar U.S. Embassy built in the heart of Baghdad and nearing completion. He sees withdrawal from Iraq as the loss of control of its oil followed by Saudi Arabia and the Emirates with their oil and the expansion of Iranian influence.
President Bush seeks regime change in Iran and Syria and the perpetuation of repressive dictatorships in Egypt, Pakistan and elsewhere in the region. There is a high risk he will order an attack on Iran. Having achieved regime change of the fairly elected government of Palestine, he seeks permanent isolation and decimation of Gaza and tightening control of the West Bank through funding and arming of a minority faction there, ending the hope for a viable, free and independent Palestine.
He plans to expand his war against Islam that will involve the U.S. in a losing military conflict on Muslim soil for years to come with unforeseeable, but devastating costs and consequences.
To continue these policies he will further diminish the freedom, privacy and civil liberties of the American people and expand the domination of wealth and militarism over the economy and body politic of our country.
He has committed the most serious crimes against humanity from wars of aggression and threats of more to political corruption and the corruption of justice at home unprecedented in our history.
Impeachment now is imperative. If, We the People fail to force accountability for these crimes this fall, President Bush will have a free ride with impunity through the Presidential election year of 2008, when the Constitutional duty to impeach will succumb to political pressure, to the end of his second term in January 2009.
The impeachment of Bush, Cheney and the other civil officers of the United States is not merely the best way to bring our troops home from Iraq and prevent new aggressions, it is the sure way and the only way. President Bush, who assaults nations in the name of democracy has proclaimed himself the one man “decider” for the fate of our country and its victims. For him, democracy is an election controlled by wealth every four years and dictatorship in between.
If we fail, the world will see that the American people are powerless to effectively oppose Bush policies that have angered and embittered billions of people, making enemies of most nations, or worse, that the American people support Bush policies. How else could such lawless and destructive policies be tolerated?
We do have the will to act and by working together we can make the difference. Please act now, as if the future of the country depends on it.
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We will work in key Congressional Districts, constituents to their Representative, to insure action on Impeachment. We will involve people in every walk of life, working together to stop the runaway lawlessness of the Bush Administration before we are so inextricably intertwined in aggression, war, occupation and alienation that it will take decades before we can pursue policies that serve humanity, rejecting militarism, domination and exploitation.
We need to know how receptive the American people are to an all out effort in this moment of maximum moral and political crisis to personal commitment to participation in a six month campaign to impeach Bush/Cheney, et al.
Are you? Let us know now whether you will join this campaign. Let us know how you can organize support, enlisting others, staging demonstrations across the nation, raising and contributing funds for massive T.V., newspaper, computer and direct telephone and mail campaigns.
I hope you will join us and make this effort a priority so we can persevere in common cause.
Sincerely,
Ramsey Clark- SydBarrett420, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2People gathered the largest protest in history to protest the Iraq War and what did that change?
- SydBarrett420, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2People gathered the largest protest in history to protest the Iraq War and what did that change?
- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Okay Okay. Ah, yes. Well, maybe it's lonely there on the fringe left?
- tza999, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0My question is, once Bush and Cheney are gone and hopefully imprisoned, who is next in line?
As for when, ASAP.
- dav0, on 10/11/2007, -11/+32hey Americans, how about you actually DO SOMETHING about it instead of just complaining on digg??
- bigrobert327, on 10/11/2007, -26/+474why should follow I follow the law , if President Bush can break it.
- ghamal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+42you are not one of the powerful - they won't think twice about putting you in jail
- mastercheif, on 10/11/2007, -15/+23How is Bush breaking the law here? It's an abusement of power, yes. But he is not breaking any laws.
- 4degrees, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20abusement?
- mastercheif, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Yea, I should have changed that. My spell check picked that up, but I thought it was. Abuse+ment = Abuse of power
- Doghound, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4abuse for amusement?
- Doghound, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3He's right. You guys can digg him down all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the president has the power to do this almost when he pleases.
That being said, it in no way makes it right for Scooter. - neshcom, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8You're right; it IS completely legal, but it's uncalled for. There's no reason to pardon someone who was found guilty. It's in bad taste and Bush's been dishing out a spoiled buffet lately.
- vpjah, on 10/11/2007, -6/+0Hey folks I dont see a word being said about thr prosecutorial discretion here in the bringing of obstruction charges to Libby for lying but I hear none of you talking about why there has been no other charges brought in this case? Lets put this in contrast to another high profile case of Berger and his skating on his obstruction charge of stealing documents from the national archives. You guys foam at the mouth for Libbys head but get lockjaw when a real crime is committed.
- 4degrees, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20abusement?
- JCSaint, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Bigrob,
You're forgetting one important difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8
*****. - 5m0k3, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution states that the President "shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."
It's a presidential right granted him by the Framers of the United States Constitution. When you make it to the Supreme Court, feel free to determine an alternate interpretation that restricts the power (though you might find it difficult because they have already set precedents with previous cases regarding authority to pardon)... - Egoist, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Nearly every President this country has had has pardoned their friends -- typically right before their term runs out. Only those who are uninformed of the history of this country find this unprecedented and outrageous.
Don't like it? Fight to have the constitution amended.
The fact that bigrobert has 83 diggs shows how ignorant the general audience of Digg really is. They're like children waiting for some semblance of scandal to lament about.- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Saying that it's happened a lot doesn't mean they're all equal. Obviously, some pardons are worse than others. Some are for people in jail for 22 years on drug possession. Some are to protect people on the president's staff who revealed an undercover intelligence agent for political purposes.
Your comments show how particularly cynical and simplistic your worldview is.
Oh and by the way, you're here lamenting, so by your own definition you are part of the digg general audience. - ryanissuper, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Commuting the sentence of a member of your administration before they have started there sentence in the middle of your term is not very common at all.
- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Neither is using a cigar and girl together in the oval office my fiendish friend.
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Saying that it's happened a lot doesn't mean they're all equal. Obviously, some pardons are worse than others. Some are for people in jail for 22 years on drug possession. Some are to protect people on the president's staff who revealed an undercover intelligence agent for political purposes.
- Preacherman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Huh? This isn't breaking the law. It's hand-written in the original Constitution. Check Article 2, § 2.
The Executive Branch: Civilian Power Over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments --
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment. Read the rest here:
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec2.html
If you want to see the Constitution in its original handwritten form, check it out here:
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/slurp_file.php?fileref=5
It's a 1.65 Mb .jpg. Article 2 §2 is about just above the vertical halfway mark. - joebob, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Except this wasn't a pardon. This is the first time in history as far as I'm aware of that a president has 'commuted' a sentence.
- Preacherman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Wrongeroo. http://www.google.com/search?q=presidential+commutations
This is from Wikipedia:
The President... shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
The Supreme Court has interpreted this language to include the power to grant pardons, conditional pardons, commutations of sentence, conditional commutations of sentence, remissions of fines and forfeitures, respites and amnesties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon#Pardons_and_clemency_in_the_United_States- joebob, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I meant to add 'of obstruction' on the end there... gotta stop multi-task digging.
- Egoist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Which means Scooter remains a convicted felon for the rest of his life.
Although, admittedly with his connections he shouldn't have a problem finding work after 2008 like a normal person would with a criminal record.
- Preacherman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Wrongeroo. http://www.google.com/search?q=presidential+commutations
- mattoman, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Stupid Tard, Bush has that ability in his powers as Pres.
All of you digg tards seem to forget Marc Rich- jcm267, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#Pardons_and_commutations_signed_on_final_day_in_office
They were probably all in grammar school. Forgive them. - Wargalas, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1No of course not, these idiots only remember the last few years. They seem to remember the Clinton years with fond memories only because they were in elementary school. :) But of course, their good friend Clinton would NEVER do anything to make you think he was doing it as a personal favor. :)
- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0All they know is what they're fed by the liberal media and blog crap like this. Thank the Lord conservative own the radio waves. That is until the libs use the "fairness doctrine" to take that as well.
- jcm267, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy#Pardons_and_commutations_signed_on_final_day_in_office
- jcm267, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3Clinton broke the same law, idiots.
Clinton's pardons were much more egregious. Are you not enraged that Hillary is getting a pass in the media for criticizing this commuted sentence considering Clinton's pardons?- Azriel7, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Repeat after me. Just because Clinton did it does not mean it is right!
- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0Repeart after me. . .were you outraged at Clinton too? I'm sick of this attitude that suggests Bush is the first to ever do this sort of thing.
- Azriel7, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Repeat after me. Just because Clinton did it does not mean it is right!
- geerolla, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1y should rite compleet sentenzs if know else do???
- Xill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Because your better than this piece of ***** of human waste!
- supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -22/+419So does this mean we can all go leak CIA agents when we find out, and we'll ALL get out of jail before we even go?
Oh, wait, if one of US did that, we'd be labeled a terrorist and be sent to Gitmo.- MissMargo, on 10/11/2007, -30/+17He didn't leak her name. Armitage did. Oh, and Fitzgerald knew it.
- kurttrail, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13LOL! Armitage was just the first one to out Plame. I love how you idiots forget that Libby & Rove did outed her to other members of the press too.
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4Armitage wasn't the only one, merely the first that's been identified chronologically. Others in the rest of the administration made independent leaks.
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2You forgot to mention that she wasn't really undercover, douche.
- chipwar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+25He didn't get convicted of leaking Plame's name.
- supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25You're right.
But then again, who DID get convicted for leaking her name?
Thats right.- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10And, because of his lies, we'll never get to prove who did it. Oh, we *know* it was Cheney and Rove and their team (which included Libby) - but because of Libby's lies, we can never prove in court who did it.
Which was the whole point of the conviction. - Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6What the hell is your point? He committed a crime.
Suppose a police officer comes and lawfully searches X's house after showing him a warrant. The warrant is based on a claim by neighbors that he was selling drugs out of the house, but they were making it up.
If X was to attack the police officer with a spork as he started looking under the couch, would you say he shouldn't go to jail because "there was no crime", or "nobody was ever convicted of the drug charge"? Hell no.
Totally irrelevant. - geekee, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Richard Armitage was the original source. He was not charged. He was not an advocate of the Iraq war. This is just a witch hunt.
- ryanissuper, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1"He was not an advocate of the Iraq war"
Did you just pull that out of your ass? He was an original signatory to the PNAC and deputy secretary of state during the Iraq invasion.
He was always a firm advocate of the Iraq war.
- ryanissuper, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1"He was not an advocate of the Iraq war"
- WallyAnti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@ supernovasky
"You're right. But then again, who DID get convicted for leaking her name?"
No excuse for distorting this issue. We need less of this type of thing in politics not more. There's already enough misinformation to sort through with the neocons hard at work. - enki25, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3We never found out, legally, who leaked the name, because Libby obstructed justice.
- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10And, because of his lies, we'll never get to prove who did it. Oh, we *know* it was Cheney and Rove and their team (which included Libby) - but because of Libby's lies, we can never prove in court who did it.
- BeefyCow2001, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'm down for that. At least then I wouldn't have to worry about the fact that I can't afford health insurance.
- rockyrcoon, on 10/11/2007, -9/+3As usual the nitwits at Digg can't even get the simplest of facts straight. Richard Armitage accidentally leaked her name, but since he's a Clinton carryover nobody cared. Fitzgerald continued the witchhunt even though he know Armitage leaked the name on day 1. It was pure "gotcha" prosecutorial mis-conduct and you should hope you never get on the wrong side of a zealot trying to send you to jail. Just another Nifong...... Libbey is fortunate to have well placed friends.
- ryanissuper, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5OH THE IRONY!
Armitage was NOT a Clinton carryover. He was appointed by bush and was confirmed on March 23, 2001. Armitage is a die-hard neo-con, one of the original signatories to th Project for a New American Century.
Where are you getting your facts from?
- ryanissuper, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5OH THE IRONY!
- mattoman, on 10/11/2007, -6/+0THANKS Rockyrcoon, the Truth hurts those Digg Tards
- Mavrik64, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1You have no clue, do you?
- MissMargo, on 10/11/2007, -30/+17He didn't leak her name. Armitage did. Oh, and Fitzgerald knew it.
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -38/+65CH-IMPEACH Cheney first. Goddamn. What will it take? This might be it.
- Blitzenn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I hope this is enough to outrage the public. We need to demand this and push for it as a people to make it happen because the system is obviously broken. I saw this coming in Bush's first term. It was really sad to see him win re-election. Now I am gla to at least see so many other people's eyes opened too. Perhaps something will happen now. It's just too bad it took so long and so much was wasted.
- RuckusNutz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Buried for the GD citation.
- Irco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1nah, they won't impeach..they are a bunch of pussies
- NoMatter, on 10/11/2007, -28/+537This is insane, absolutely the most morally and ethically corrupt administration EVER. This isn't even about politics any more. Pick a low point in a party's history and this gang of corrupt fools have topped them all
- MissMargo, on 10/11/2007, -71/+10Sandy Berger ring a bell? William Jefferson? Bill Clinton? Hilary Clinton. Give it up.
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -6/+33Sandy Berger put some documents in his pants. He was dealt with. Lying about WMD, lying to get into a war, depicting himself as a compassionate conservative...no child left behind...clear skies; bring 'em on. Mission Accomplished, Hurricane Katrina, wiretapping, the Downing Street Memo. Ignoring the threat of Kim Jong-Il while badgering moderate Iranian leader Khatami and calling him part of the Axis of Evil which angered Iran, leads to election of Ahmadinejad, an extremist. Fighting to eliminate the estate tax while offering more corporate tax cuts and taxing the poor and middle-class. You've Done A Heck of a Job Brownie. Ignoring the ICC, UN, Kyoto. Need I go on?
- usrlocalbin, on 10/11/2007, -7/+30MissMargo: you are a ***** idiot.
- lateralus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Don't pile on MissMargo, she's a Wal-Mart greeter and does a helluva job.
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Nobody cares about Sandy Berger because, even if your delusions about him were true he never put anybody or part of this country at risk. Regarding the Clintons, they're some of the most popular politicians in modern history. Are they perfect? Hell no. But comparing them to your failure Bush, and this insult to law and order the intelligence community, simply demonstrates how out of touch with American values your views are.
- Rohhob, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I hope people also see that this is a clear message to every future White House administration. They can do whatever they want and as long as they have the power nothing will happen to them except possibly receiving a "low approval rating" that they don't even care about.
- WallyAnti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5That is what troubles me most. The precedent that this sets is horrid. If we as a people allow this to go by without retaliation then we truely are hopeless. We as Americans deserve better than this.
- mwunsch, on 10/11/2007, -12/+4yea your right...forget about presidents like Zachary Taylor who not only supported but encouraged the slavery of millions of African Americans. If you really think that this is the most ethically corrupt administration you have a very skewed sense of ethics.
- WallyAnti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6mwunsch
You are taking history out of context by judging Zachary Taylor by today's standards. It's likely at the time Mr. Taylor was doing the will of the people, which was his job.
- WallyAnti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6mwunsch
- mattoman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1NoMatter = No Brain
- jake57, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Bush has been the president of this country since I've been in 4th grade.
He's the only president I ever remember having. :(- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Sorry Jake-they're not all this bad. Just keep that in mind.
- RevEng, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You make an interesting point. One day our children are going to be voting in elections. After two terms of the current administration's antics, are they even going to know what "good government" means?
- rebuilder, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I don't know, Nixon's administration set the bar pretty high for "most corrupt ever".
- lostangelonline, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Nixon is the one that came to power after JFK was assassinated?
- MissMargo, on 10/11/2007, -71/+10Sandy Berger ring a bell? William Jefferson? Bill Clinton? Hilary Clinton. Give it up.
- supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -14/+540By the way...
Scooter Libby has now been the ONLY person ever commuted for obstruction of justice.- MissMargo, on 10/11/2007, -69/+2So?
- Jwoey, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29What the ***** do you mean, "So?" You think that's irrelevant?
- usrlocalbin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+23missmargo: You are part of the problem.
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Miss Margo, you're apparently the useful idiot that gives idiots cover for their evil acts. I'm sure you're not as bad a person as Irving Libby and Richard Cheney and George Bush, so why do you defend them?
- Egoist, on 10/11/2007, -15/+1The same reason people continue to defend Clinton for committing the same offense. Political partisianship.
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Clinton pardoned a member of his staff who revealed the identity of an undercover intelligence agent? Provide details or STFU and crawl back under your rock.
- Egoist, on 10/11/2007, -15/+1The same reason people continue to defend Clinton for committing the same offense. Political partisianship.
- RussellDovey, on 10/11/2007, -3/+51President Bush's Administration: Breaking new ground every day!
- Shandooga, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1...and stuffing us in the hole.
- davecor, on 10/11/2007, -25/+5Not really.... Bill Clinton did it first.... William Borders.... one of MANY questionable pardons.
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm- miamilaw, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6commutations and pardons are two totally different things.
- davecor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Agreed... a pardon is worse.
- ErrorS, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5a pardon means they thought the person probably wasn't guilty of the crime or had a good reason to commit it.. You pardon criminals that were working for you without wanting the public to know, others who obviously got treated unfairly after apeals and everything else while knowing they weren't guilty (you have to have an apeal for a pardon) with this, there is acknowledgement of guilt, so it's like he's saying "I know he's guilty, I don't care.. it's unfair"
I'm sure everyone would still be mad if he pardoned libby, but at least a pardon might have suggested Bush believed he wasn't lying. This means Bush believes he was laying but was is going to let him off anyway.
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I think it was supposed to be clear that Pardon != Commute.
- miamilaw, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6commutations and pardons are two totally different things.
- Kaaya, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Well, they need to set a precedent so they can get away with obstructing justice by refusing to answer subpoenas.
Conniving bunch they are...- lazlonger, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1test ignore...
- chriskzoo, on 10/11/2007, -10/+3What "justice" did he obstruct? There wasn't even a crime committed, as admitted by the Federal prosecuter, Patrick Fitzgerald.
- vpjah, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1Lets not let a simple thing like that stop a perfectly good opportunity to foam at the mouth and rant.
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Lying to the grand jury is obstruction of justice child. But why don't you dig up some quote of John Kerry talking about how Saddam was a bad guy to make yourself feel better.
- obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5They're sending the message that obstructing justice is okay because they're gonna need as much obstruction of justice as they can get!
- MissMargo, on 10/11/2007, -69/+2So?
- cmw72, on 10/11/2007, -25/+69Martha Stewart should have such powerful friends.
- bukkawukka, on 10/11/2007, -19/+3... and Paris.
- deadfrog, on 10/11/2007, -18/+238Disgusting. My feelings for the 4th of July were already going to be tinged with sadness. But now... Jesus.
- MissMargo, on 10/11/2007, -38/+5If this makes you so sad you can't enjoy the 4th of July I feel very sorry for you.
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23You're sad if pardoning a perjurer doesn't sadden you.
- Jwoey, on 10/11/2007, -5/+24To celebrate Independence Day is to celebrate our patriotism. ***** patriotism. I'll be a patriot when I'm given a reason to be.
- mattsw84, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6Your comment is mind boggling on so many different levels.
- usrlocalbin, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26MissMargo: god damn you area a ***** idiot. each one of your replies makes you sound more and more retarded.
Die please. - deadfrog, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11I'll still enjoy the day. No need to be sorry for me.
I believe in this country, I love it and have faith in it. I'm just disappointed in our leaders. But we'll persevere past them.
- petenutz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I'm really hopefuil...I think the country is starting to get it. I mean not REALLY get it but at least regarding the president.
- DubbedOver, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Jesus can't help you with this one...
- zeroduck, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I'm gonna be in DC for the 4th... I'll be sure to give the white house the finger before I leave. Not like it'll make any difference--but they ***** PISS ME OFF.
- cheesehead, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Maybe "V" will blow up the White House
- mattoman, on 10/11/2007, -8/+0deadfrog, go get a life
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Go ***** yourself mattoman
- deadfrog, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3mattoman, I already have one. But I thank you for your concern.
- MissMargo, on 10/11/2007, -38/+5If this makes you so sad you can't enjoy the 4th of July I feel very sorry for you.
- supernovasky, on 10/11/2007, -14/+363There are thousands of people in jail right now for obstruction of justice.
Scooter libby is the ONLY one to get a pardon.
Heck, Republicans IMPEACHED Clinton over obstruction of justice, before it was overturned.- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16Oh, hey, that's not fair - after all, Clinton lied about a blowjob, and Libbey lied about outing an undercover agent. Totally different!
/sarcasm- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Yeah that's right, they're identical. Good point!
/sarcasm
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Yeah that's right, they're identical. Good point!
- johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16Oh, hey, that's not fair - after all, Clinton lied about a blowjob, and Libbey lied about outing an undercover agent. Totally different!
- TheDecibel206, on 10/11/2007, -15/+82What else could we have expected?
- btgoss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9True. I had expected this to be an "on his way out" pardon, but I guess the thought of him sitting in a nice jail for a year was more then W could take.
- DesignEx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4What else could we have expected from the President of the United States, I don't know perhaps equal treatment for all, and a bit of respect for our Judicial system.
What else could we have expected from Bush... eh, yea good point. Impeach them already.
- DesignEx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4What else could we have expected from the President of the United States, I don't know perhaps equal treatment for all, and a bit of respect for our Judicial system.
- WallyAnti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Just because we expect the slow demise of justice doesn't mean we should be complacent to it.
- btgoss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9True. I had expected this to be an "on his way out" pardon, but I guess the thought of him sitting in a nice jail for a year was more then W could take.
- phildo, on 10/11/2007, -35/+5He *****' up my Fitzmas :-(
- rhabd0mancer, on 10/11/2007, -16/+123Great, now Bush, Libby and Jeff Gannon can hang around the White House and asshump each other for the next 18 months.
- kivimaki, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12That image... THAT IMAGE IS STUCK IN MY MIND!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
- kivimaki, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12That image... THAT IMAGE IS STUCK IN MY MIND!
- MissAmerica, on 10/11/2007, -14/+91Well, this just certainly proves that the world has gone completely nuts- at least our country has gone completely nuts.
Imprison the innocent and the free the guilty because that's the American way.
Leaking the identity of CIA agents is our motto. The the not-so-free press is certainly going to have a field day with this one.- rockyrcoon, on 10/11/2007, -9/+0As usual the nitwits at Digg can't even get the simplest of facts straight. Richard Armitage accidentally leaked her name, but since he's a Clinton carryover nobody cared. Fitzgerald continued the witchhunt even though he know Armitage leaked the name on day 1. It was pure "gotcha" prosecutorial mis-conduct and you should hope you never get on the wrong side of a zealot trying to send you to jail. Just another Nifong...... Libbey is fortunate to have well placed friends.
- enki25, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4post a source to your hilarious "facts", I'm making a collection of websites exhibiting sufferers of RWDS (right wing down syndrome).
- mattoman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0Legally Nuts = MissAmerica
- rockyrcoon, on 10/11/2007, -9/+0As usual the nitwits at Digg can't even get the simplest of facts straight. Richard Armitage accidentally leaked her name, but since he's a Clinton carryover nobody cared. Fitzgerald continued the witchhunt even though he know Armitage leaked the name on day 1. It was pure "gotcha" prosecutorial mis-conduct and you should hope you never get on the wrong side of a zealot trying to send you to jail. Just another Nifong...... Libbey is fortunate to have well placed friends.
- TexasCanuck, on 10/11/2007, -18/+213Is anyone really surprised by this ? Like, come on... Would you really expect anything less from this outrightly criminal Whitehouse we have ?
It's time for a revolution folks.- geometry, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Now where the hell is that boat of tea? Anyone feel like dressing up like Indians?
- MScoutsDCI, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Im there!! I fear the general population is too sedatd by Survivor and scared of "al Queda" to get off their asses though.....
I'm not joking, I'm really fearful of that.... - Ohmfg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6This is true, I have the biggest gut feeling that there might be a revolution in this country, as sad as that may be.
- dp1mat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Well I agree with you there is going to have to be a revolution. I am no lawyer but I think they would label you an enemy combatant and ship you off without any kind of hearing. Which is totally screwed up. I would have to admit that I am ashamed to be American!! Never thought I would say it. I think bush is really setting up a dictatorship. And I really do hate him and all the fat cats up on the hill. They aren't doing nothing for me or my fellow people. Only doing what the corporations want.
- TheTaoOfBill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10The event that will spark the revolution is when Bush cancels the elections due to a terror attack. Other than that I think most people are just saying "Don't worry. He'll be out in a year and a half"
- MindTrigger, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13***** a year and a half, he's done enough damage to our country and the planet. I want him gone now. Can you begin to imagine what this MOTHER ***** might do during his last year, knowing he's on his way out. It's quite possible we have only seen the tip of the iceberg!
- Shandooga, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1So true. Investigate 9/11---for yourself.
- lashrac606, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Try not to start with a violent revolution though - I'm still gunning for and Article 5 Convention - our Forefathers created art. 5 for when this stuff started happening.
- ShagratOfMordor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The revolution already happened comrade. Due to travel restrictions you will have to proceed through Mexico and then by boat to reach the workers paradise.
- gadgetlust, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@TexasCanuck
You want a revolution? Count me and all my Canadian buddies in. - dp1mat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Count me in TexasCanuck. We got do something.
- dev0null, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"a revolution"
Who's going to lead it? Let's put it to a vote! When? How about November 4, 2008? - Bamont, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2And I'm sure you and all the other Digg cronies will gladly fight in from their computer chairs in mom's basement. Give me a break. You aren't going to revolt, nobody is. The liberalized attitude that has caused this wave of misinformation and lack of due process of law is a catch-22. You won't fight for anything, including your own rights. Sure, you'll come to Digg and whine and cry about it. You may even write a letter, but when all is said and done, you'll sit in front of your plasma television, watch Olbermann and nod your head in agreement - all the while eating TV dinners and trying to decide whether you should balance your checkbook or play World of Warcraft.
- Shandooga, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Before you start planning that revolt, I suggest looking back at the history books to see how they dealt with the Black Panthers. They would do it again in a heartbeat.
- bonedead, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Viva la Resistance!
- Xill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1To start a revolution you need a goal. The only reason the true revolution havent started yet is because you dont do a revolution for what you do not like, you do a revolution for what you want your world to be. They made sure the American public was so messed up socially and morally that it would never have a vision of a better future than the one that was offered to them. Its coming fast, but for that we need to disconnect completely from their propaganda tools and go AGAINST their system TOWARD OURS.
- bukkawukka, on 10/11/2007, -15/+155Aw, come on. We managed to put Paris back in. Let's march on DC to get this ***** behind bars.
- Shandooga, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1What would be the point? He'd only spring himself.
- toddcat, on 10/11/2007, -15/+101Any lurking fascists want to stand up for Irving Libby? Can you defend this?
- GirthAgain, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25"Libby was convicted in March of lying to authorities"
I support lying to the authorities.- eberts,
- GirthAgain, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25"Libby was convicted in March of lying to authorities"