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Infuriated George W. Bush says, "Whatever we have done is legal!"

thought-criminal.org — Last year, enacting Sen. John McCain's anti-torture measure, Congress attempted to draw a clear line between acceptable and unacceptable treatment of prisoners for anyone acting in the name of the United States. Now the Bush administration wants to blur the line and possibly erase it.

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  • greymaxcat, on 10/12/2007, -42/+70George W. Bush says, "Whatever we have done is legal in pursuit of Manbearpig!"
    • ArchieAndrews, on 10/12/2007, -19/+78You got voted down because you're not being serial.
    • Snay, on 10/12/2007, -15/+44Hes Super Serial
    • gmillerd, on 10/12/2007, -39/+8Gas prices too high for a road trip rally? Why no mobs with torches in front of the White House? If we all hate the guy, why are moms and what not drawn there ... discuss.
    • geekee, on 10/12/2007, -51/+7"George W. Bush says, "Whatever we have done is legal in pursuit of Manbearpig!""

      Right, Al Qaeda is just a figment of Bush's imagination. I hate conservatives, but I really hate liberals.
    • jefffm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13So you hate everyone who isn't a moderate? This is some pretty harsh generalization...
    • phantom113, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12He sounds like a conservative to me :P.
    • ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4@geekee
      "Right, Al Qaeda is just a figment of Bush's imagination."

      Or, is it?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBVVs9hcmRY
    • i440, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Apparently, equality under the law was just another idea that never exactly went through.
    • triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7actually the vast bulk of the country are moderates, we need more moderates in office, and i'm a bit put off by anyone on the fringe in either direction.
  • bobbourland, on 10/12/2007, -23/+16He's totally serial and nobody believes him!
    • sanman, on 10/12/2007, -50/+3I have no problems with any terrorist being tortured and even made to beg for their life. They do it to their enemies, and so it's fair that it should be done to them. Not interested in any political correctness or tender treatment for those who themselves don't respect the Geneva Convention. You want to be protected from torture? Then don't practice it -- don't behead people on camera. For those who say "oh dear! we will lose the moral highground!" -- I say screw that, just retain plausible deniability. The US had people tortured during the wars in Central America, and Nicaragua & Co were still defeated (defeated *because* of the will to use harsh methods against them.)
      Wars aren't won by gentlemen, they're lost by them.

      Terrorists can and should be terrorized. That's what will make them afraid to attack -- because there are worse things you can give a man than death. The more we make them understand that, the less they'll consider death as their convenient option.

      Oh yeah -- get their families too. Even if a person doesn't care about their own life, there's usually someone out there whose suffering would make even the most ferocious zealot squeamish.
      Moral fretfulness over that? No problem -- just work according to plausible deniability. Use 3rd party torturers, etc, etc. I never saw Saddam or Hafez Assad suffering lots of bombings, because the bombers' families would be rounded up. It's stupid that tougher methods could be used against Central American guerrillas than against Taliban.

      That's the real way to do "Hearts and Minds"
    • steinbeckgirl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22@sanman- you sir, are an idiot
    • bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21@sanman

      The US has been supporting torture using regimes for years. Terrorism is the latest excuse to wield it. It's been used in south and central America, and southeast Asia to crush populist movements and ensure the flow of capital to western investors. Democratically elected leaders have been kicked out of office with the direct support of Washington, because it was more profitable to have a military dictatorship. The problem with torture is that it's amoral for anyone to use and no government or vigilante group can be trusted to wield it. Not you, not me, and not a person in Washington. You may rationalize it's use for "terrorists" today, but any dissident voice is a potential target (Just look how loosely the PATRIOT act defines terrorism, for example). Aside from that, no sane person wants to live in a world that's a competition to be the most torturous freak. It's obviously not a desirable world. Other means are available to capture or eliminate dangers in the world. Torture isn't even reported as reliable for extracting information. They are more effective means not rooted in ideological fanaticism, racism, or tyranny.
    • fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21@sanman

      Aren't we supposed to be better than terrorists?
    • SelfAbortion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6What a ***** scumbag.
    • GoodBrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@bugsy1 Agreed, anf for those playing at home, a reminder of we've supported in the middle-east in the past 50 years or so.

      1) The Shah of Iran, which of course led to the '79 revolution, the hostage crisis, and the unsuprising fact that Iran gets its back up whenever the US tries to tell it what to do.
      2) Saddam Hussein, who we supported in attacking Iran after the '79 revolution
      3) The mujahadein in Afghanistan, which helped that sterling fellow, Osama Bin Ladin, get his training and his start.

      I wonder what happened to all those countries...
      Hmm, can you say "blowback"

    • pmcall221, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just because it's legal, it doesn't make it right.
  • cphuntington97, on 10/12/2007, -21/+57http://www.duggmirror.com
  • astatine, on 10/12/2007, -5/+47"Well, when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal."
    - Richard Nixon

    So much for the Rule of Law.
    • dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -6/+45Man, I wish my dad was president, thus solidifying my idiotic ass into an office in which I have no credible reason to be in, just so I could plummet the most powerful and respected country in the world into a deep pit of societal and political decay.
    • bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I watched this interview:
      http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Today-Lauer-Bush.mov

      I am absolutely *dumbfounded* that he could say such moronic and reprehensible things. You can make something legal simply by disagreeing with the law? Why didn't anyone tell me!

      ---
      Matt Lauer: And yet you admitted that there were these CIA secret facilities. OK?
      President Bush: So what? Why is that not within the law?
      Matt Lauer: The head of Amnesty International says secret sites are against international law.
      President Bush: Well, we just disagree with him.
      ---
    • jackkerouac, on 10/12/2007, -42/+2Sorry, but if you rely on the Jew-hating Amnesty International as your source of International Law, you're a ***** moron.
    • phantom113, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Do you understand what Amnesty International does? They are definitely not a bunch of Neo-Nazis. Get your facts straight thanks.
    • Sertorius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@jackkerouac
      Hey Jack, let's don't get too involved in all of this BS. it will bury you. Recall the great books you wrote, Dharma Bums and On the Road? You bypassed all this clotted crap and evoked a true spirit of freedom.

      Where have you been? We need to resurrect the spirit of SOCAL of the 1950's and be above the miasma of irrationality that bespeaks the age.

      C'mon, man, get a hold of your karma.
  • spoonard, on 10/12/2007, -12/+1How can I be serial? I have often wondered that...
  • culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18But Fox News says I can't believe anything in the Washington Post, LA Times or NY Times because they're a bunch of commie pinkos!
    • geekee, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4But you'll believe thoughtcriminal. They're certainly a reputable news source without any particular agenda or spin.
    • steinbeckgirl, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2@jackkerouac-can't believe you are smearing kerouac's name
  • darkvam, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3she doth protest too much
  • dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18"Something amazing has happened in America when the media mockingbirds and left wing gatekeepers are going after the President. Even the staunchest neoconservatives are desperately seeking life-rafts on the SS George W. Bush. PNAC Chilopoda such as Bill Kristol have been on the political seesaw for months now. They know what side their bread is buttered on but the grass is always greener on the other side of the political aisle especially when their Commander-In-Thief is swirling the bottom in the polls."

    *Someone* learned what a metaphor was in school today...
    • tpaine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13hahaha, i thought the same thing. They aren't even well done for pete's sake .... "They know what side their bread is buttered on but the grass is always greener on the other side of the political aisle"

      You can't mix metaphors, it's just not right.
    • happyhappyhappy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4No kidding. That paragraph was so overloaded it was sinking into the greener grass growing around a draining sink.
    • phantom113, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Not metaphors moron, cliches.
    • tehnico, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"If we can hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."

      -Zapp Brannigan-
    • williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Come on now, that "buttered grass" imagery is totally deathless prose.
  • kavaliro, on 10/12/2007, -6/+54Not only is it ILLEGAL, Dubbya, it's immoral, inhumane, and destructive to the Constitution which you have sworn to (and broken your oath to) uphold.
    When you're the bad guy, you can tie your hostage to the train tracks. When you're the good guy, you can't tie the bad guy to the train tracks. You just can't. As soon as you do, you're now the bad guy.
    Bush has made America (and therefore, all Americans) the bad guy. He's broken the law and he's acted in ways that are despicable, ways that dehumanize us as Americans, ways that destroy the Law of the Land.
    Congresspeople, I believe it is now time to begin impeachment proceedings. In fact, you're late. Failing to call Bush and his regime to answer for his crimes against all of humanity will be yet another dark stain on America that will last forever.
    • ThreeE, on 10/12/2007, -27/+1yadayadayada
    • triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6i'm convinced bush and co think the constitution is a quaint out dated document just like the geneva convention is quaint and out dated.
  • CraigJ, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5I have heard a lot of complaining about torture of prisoners, etc. I'm not taking a position on whether wnat has actually happend is right or wrong, because frankly I don't have enough information to make that call, and I'm willing to bet that most of the readers of Digg don't either. What I would like to here are some constructive alternatives from people who actually know and understand what is happening, given the circumstances, which are that there is a group of militants that want to destroy western culture. Not just the US, but Europe as well. How do you negotiate with someone who wants nothing, other than to destroy you? How do you get information out of someone who thinks they will be rewarded as a martyr? Don't make the mistake of thinking that these people think like YOU do, have the same desires as you, have the same morals as you, etc.
    • inkgrok, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8First you have to really understand their motives and mindset. Al Qaeda's goal is not to destroy the western world but to establish theocratic rule in central asia and the middle east. If you mistake their goal you will make tactical mistakes in battling them.

      Second that torture does not give you good information. You can get much better information through infiltration, good interrogation and information gathering.
    • perogi21, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Don't make the mistake of thinking that an eye for an eye is the way to go.

      Going down to their level is NOT how we should do it.

      “He that lies down with Dogs, shall rise up with fleas" Ben Franklin.
    • dswinscoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18what more evidence do you need:

      "Khaled El-Masri is a case in point. A German citizen, El-Masri was snatched while on vacation in Macedonia and detained from Dec. 31, 2003 through May 28, 2004 in Macedonia and Afghanistan, where he was held in the CIA prison known as the "Salt Pit." An Aero flight out of our state took him there. He was tortured, found not to have any information, then unceremoniously dumped in Albania, 40 pounds thinner and a broken man. An innocent man."

      http://obsentinel.womacknewspapers.com/articles/2006/09/09/letters-editorials/letters113-.txt
      http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/082506a.html
      http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866
      http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/11/matt-lauer-goes-after-bush-over-secret-prisons-and-torture/#more-10197

      Just a few Google searches away ... but whatever you do, don't look! Don't be one of those critical, pussy, left-wing types who admit when they're wrong - stand by your guns damn it, and don't let the evidence get in your way.
    • triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3the only reason al quada is in iraq is because we invaded.
    • n00854180t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Ingrok, yeah, and it's also the neocon agenda (to turn the US into a theocracy and attack and invade US allies). PNAC, Bush and his cronies all support this agenda, and have done so for a long time. Including but not limited to multiple meetings where they call for another "Pearl Harbor".
  • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+40I have had it with these ***** snakes in this ***** administration.
    • Tawni, on 10/12/2007, -18/+8Forget snakes on a plane. snakes in the white house.
    • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6We have to put a barrier between us and the snakes.
  • lamestory, on 10/12/2007, -19/+7i'm a moron digg user who happens to not agree with this totally factual article so i will mark it inaccurate.

    Most likely 49% of the other users will do the same, for the same reasons, and it will be marked as such on the front page.

    long live digg, the best news source on the net!
    • CatalystGhost, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8You know, at one point it amazed me when I realized that most people on the side against Bush could actually spell and capitalize online, whereas those who favor Bush seem to have troubles finding the shift key... Now, I simply accept it as the norm.
    • lamestory, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4I actually don't like Bush - the comment was meant to mock the Nazi trolls that mod-down anything that convicts Bush. It's called sarcasm - shift key optional.
  • helix400, on 10/12/2007, -29/+5It seems Digg users and President Bush have one thing in common. They have no problem repeating the same information. This story is a duplicate: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Matt_Lauer_goes_after_Bush_over_secret_prisons_and_torture_

    But as others have told me, duplicates are ok around here, and the reason given has been summarized well by Bush:

    "you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda"
    • helix400, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4Wow, that got modded down extremely fast. Heh, my post above really pushed some peoples buttons.

      I'll have to make a note of that one for future use. Pointing out when Bush's tactics are eerily similar to his opponents tactics apparently gets a fast and strong reaction.

      I mean, this is a duplicate story after all. That much is obvious. And I can't think of any reason why Digg rules should be ignored so this story can appear again on the main page...other than people feel the need to repeat things over and over again.
    • jdstorer2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Your comment got modded down most likely just for the fact that you called duplicate.

      Hell, most of the time I just block any user who cries "Duplicate!", let alone mod them down.
    • helix400, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1How are we supposed to know if a story is duplicate if nobody points it out?
  • flubba, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3legal indeed.
    dial the access codes.
  • franksmith, on 10/12/2007, -24/+5More leftyland fodder... digg is getting real predicable

    Yawn
  • dampeal, on 10/12/2007, -31/+4WhAt DoEs ThE ShiFt KeY HaVe To Do WiTh AnYtHiNg?????
    It appears that the left has taken over Digg.. Oh well, there goes another great site down the crapper... Honestly, I think we are in our rights to torture anyone we wish, do you actually think Amnesty International and any of those other groups are going to bother any other country that tortures prisoners? Where were they when children where being tortured, raped and murdered by Saddam? Where were these wonderful groups? Off bothering someone else who won't fight back, afraid to step in where they might actually do some good. So why do we have to play by the 'rules' when the terrorists don't? They don't follow the Geneva conventions in a time of war so why should they be under their rule? They should be treated as they treat everyone else, with no remorse or guilt for what they do. We should take the terrorists that we do catch and puclically behead them, and of course broadcast it all over the internet, I can tell you that if we 'play' like they do things will change quickly.
    • reed311, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I think you should be arrested and put in prison without the option of consulting a lawyer or knowing the charges against you.

      The problem is, the US has been playing very dirty in the Middle East and this is what has gotten us in trouble with these peolple in the first place. A group of people just doesn't wake up one day and decide to hate another, as much as you guys want to dumb it down to that.
    • exsst, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Riiight.. Yeah, like wars yeah?.. Well, if they start a war, we need to create another war !! YAY!! and then they create a war after that, inwhich we do again.. Yes, fun fun fun! wars are just brilliant aren't they? they solve everything!!

      Sorry, but I don't usually result in personal insults, but you must be ***** 12-14 years old.

      You aren't going to solve anything with war.
    • helix400, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3I have to agree with reed311.

      While I personally think that all terrorists should be tortured to no end, the problem is...abuse of that priviledge. You start letting allowing terrorists to get tortured, and far more innocent people will get the same treatment. The US government isn't perfect you know.

      But it if was prerfect...then torture those who deserve it.
    • exsst, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Also, hasen't it ever crossed your mind that, if we snoop to their level, we are as bad as them?..

      Idiot.
    • helix400, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3"You aren't going to solve anything with war."

      Because, you know...World War II could have been solved through negotiation.
    • ohemgeee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13"So why do we have to play by the 'rules' when the terrorists don't? They don't follow the Geneva conventions in a time of war so why should they be under their rule? They should be treated as they treat everyone else, with no remorse or guilt for what they do."

      Because we, as a human being, should strive to be better than that. Sometimes it seems our own Christian right wing fundamentalists forget those very simple parables Jesus taught them. You are no better than a cowardly terrorist yourself.
    • Asshate, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9If you weren't so busy ***** your goddamned redneck cousin, you'd realise that most americans and 100% of the rest of the world hold the opinion that you dismiss as "the left's".
    • triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3so should murder suspects be tortured before their trial for information about their alleged crime? and what then when they are found innocent?
    • triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ohemgeee

      it seems fundamentalists of all religions seem to ignore the peaceful tenants of their religions. christian fundamentalists are no different then islamic fundamentalists. they all kill in their gods name when in reality their god would completely disapprove of their actions based on what is written.
    • FirefighterBlu3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@dampeal

      the left has taken over digg? i think it's more like common sense and being disgustingly ashamed of our government is pushing people to take a stand for what is right.

      terrorist: one who governs by terrorism or intimidation. adj; characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon)

      remind you of anyone? who pushes terror down our throats, who politicizes it? and who is running this country? who is trying to abolish the laws on war crimes? who instigated torture of prisoners in the last 6 years? who decided to make secret CIA torture camps? who created extraordinary rendition?

      is anyone coming to mind yet? when was the last time you were held at gunpoint by an insurgent? when was the last time bin laden's mercenaries raped and murdered families in san diego? or killed a walmart shopper and planted a shovel next to him?

      how many terror plots have been thwarted? oh, the chicago sears tower eh? yeah, well when i get back from tatooine with a fresh supply of zap zap guns, i'm going to blow up our 2nd moon.

      i'll ask you this, who is terrorizing who..

      who has put heavy restrictions on what you can do and say in THIS COUNTRY, THE USA? who details you for hours or days because your name sort of matches someone else's on a secret list...and you're a US senator.

      who is a suspected terrorist because they support the US Constitution? who serves a year in prison, forced medications, forced psychological evaluations, because of their political belief, and is finally set free with all charges dropped unceremoniously? who has the freedom of speech .. but not allowed within a mile of the event because of their political views? who can be arrested and held indefinitely as an enemy of the state without any recourse or rights, no legal representation and not permitted to know the evidence against them?

      A free American.

      Oh, but "free" is so vague, we need to clarify what "free" actually is.

      are you still an American? these days i wake up and wonder where the hell America went to, for some reason, my beloved Constitution is "just a g*dd*mmed piece of paper" and "freedom should be limited."
    • 2ndRevolution, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What's next? Do we torture children too? I'm guessing anyone with kids would be willing to admit to any goddamn thing we're asked if someone were to start torturing our kids. Hell, I'll admit to the JFK assassination if you start torturing my kid. Gee, I guess the fact that I wasn't born yet might make it tough but at least you got the answer you wanted.

      What a ***** crock of *****. Torture has worked wonders throughout the ages. The Salem witch trials and the Inquisition were good for one thing - killing people you wanted killed.

      Keep in mind that if torture becomes an accepted practice, where does the line get drawn? Once government gets a new "power" it never lets it go! What is going to stop them from using it against US?? PLEASE don't give me that ***** that the government is looking out for our best interests. Tell that to the old lady who can't pay her property taxes and loses her house. The government doesn't give a flying ***** about the people other than taxing us to the grave...and thanks to the death tax, even after.
  • steinbeckgirl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22***** Bush. As a mentioned on another page, a study by Harvard on npr.com says most Republicans are older, politically unsophisticated and undereducated. But conservatives probably think Harvard is liberal ...and just make things up! That's their answer to everyone who discredits the president. "oh their just liberal...probably watched Michael Moore...probably made it up....lets mark it as inaccurate...whiny suckers.
  • klepty, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6This is a perfect example of our President. He thinks that everything his people do is completely legal because we are at war with Iraq. He will continue to fight wars in multiple theatres until 2008 or until he is impeached. Too bad having Cheney as a President would be even worse because he is the one setting the policy, george is a marionette.
  • satanatnmtedu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14"I did not have sex with that woman!"

    "Everything we have done is legal"

    If there first one is an impeachment offense, then the second should be too.
    • celopes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Unhappily for all of us, the second one wasn't said under oath. Because nobody seems to have the balls to put him on trial... He should be. I would like to believe he would get the benefits of the legal system he deny others.
  • ne0shell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Evidently watching hate mongers like Ann Coulter, O Reilly and Hannity makes the extreme right diggers think it's OK to spout racist, immoral slogans. "Lets torture all the sand ni**ers!" "Nuke em into a glass parking lot" etc, etc. It's just pathetic and a prime example of the degradation of education in our country and the rise of modern fascism. We cannot fight a war against "Islamic Fascism" unless the military has shiny metal phallic things that erase minds. Radical Islam fills a vacuum left by corrupt regimes in countries which were put in power by the West, especially the most despotic of them. In the name of fossil fuels and stopping communism we signed numerous deals with numerous devils - people kept in poverty and fear will turn to desperate solutions - declaring "war" on them will only make the radicals preachings reality and draw more to their cause, (witness Afghanistan and Iraq). There's really only one way to move forward in this that won't result in both sides living under tyranny:
    Do whatever it takes to source our energy needs elsewhere
    Stop the energy giants from making predatory deals and condition those deals so that the citizens of the countries providing the resources share in the profits.
    Adjust our foreign policy to stop choosing one dictator over the other.
    End the World Bank and IMF's predation on the world's poor.
    Unfortunately unless the people of the West are willing to wake up and make real changes to our govt such as limiting all terms to prevent career politicians, there really is no hope.
  • ToMaHaWk1187, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It does not matter whether it is labeled inaccurate or not (although i beleive it is being abused).
    Because:
    1) What matters is that no individual or group ,yet, controls what is "published" or not.
    2) Anyone can publish and no individual or group has that specific authority
    3) Whatever the idea or "fact" or published content in general , as long as it is not collectively filtered , will always be translated by the reader the way he want's to translate it.
    And thats the beauty of it.
    1) "Propaganda from one closes minds.Propaganda from many opens them."
    2) "I don't care how you take my argument.Take it as you like.Take as it fits you.Since you say what fits you." - TXC
    3) "What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires,
    desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes
    against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.
    The origin of myths is explained in this way." - Bertrand Russell
    • WiseWeasel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If it gets enough votes for 'inaccurate', a story will fall off the front page, and much fewer people will be able to read it.
  • Andy3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2i like to think that Keith Olbermann has said best for me.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdD6op0l2jk

    I had to listen twice to make sure he said it best.
  • Silentshadow900, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I am the senate!
  • abdim, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I am above the law! *slicks hair*
  • BehnoodMarvazi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Very creative 404 page!
  • TrentTheThief, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Sure, you can fight fair. Go ahead, use a different set of rules that those you fight against.

    If you use your rules plu nice rules to fight a guerilla war, you lose. Everytime. It's not politics or morals, it's just how it works. There is no moral high ground. It is a situation of drive them into the ground with whatever is requrie to do the job, or capitulate before they kill everyone. Better start your children learning Arabic, though.

    Ignore the religious and political aspects for a moment and open a history book. See how many time a guerilla group has won. Allah anyone?
  • FirefighterBlu3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@trentthetheif

    sorry, i disagree most strongly. wars weren't lost because cultures stuck to their moral high ground. wars are lost because people lowered themselves.

    we are losing heavily in the world court because of how we are acting and treating everyone involved. if we had a government that was actually honest and law abiding, we'd be riding high.
    • TrentTheThief, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1You are ignoring what I said. I don't care about the politics of the situation or who likes americans or thinks americans are doing right or wrong. My statement does not concern the politcal correctness of the situation.

      I am saying that to defeat the guerilla, you must be more ruthless. Anything less is the same as losing all will to win or live. If you will not fight on a level field (i.e., use the same rule book as a more ruthless foe), you may as well stop fighting and save lives. And as this foe is comprised of religious extremists, if you want your genes to remain in circulation, then you'd better convert to Islam now and avoid the last minute rush. Nothing stops a religious fantic except death.

  • klepty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1www.thought-criminal.org will be down for a while.
    It has been constantly hammered for 3 days straight
    and the load went to 100. Luckily digg mirrored it.
  • dstz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And it's legal because the US government has done it. Any (islamo fascist liberal) questions ?
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