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- NoCommies, on 12/01/2008, -23/+57"then babbles on about "generating five million new green jobs". This will presumably consist of hiring millions of Americans to generate power by running around on treadmills, to replace all those "dirty" coal-fired power stations which currently supply the US with half its electricity"
This is the funniest thing I have ever read about Obama.- jb1965, on 12/01/2008, -15/+10It would be funny if it weren't so deadly serious! We are DOOMED!!!
- Pitofdoom, on 12/01/2008, -10/+5You rang ?
- Pitofdoom, on 12/01/2008, -11/+7Egypt built pyramids, estimated at about 1 trillion each !
Can't live in or off of them, but they last forever.
America owes about 11 current debt + 8 in new debt +
about 50 trillion in future obligations !
Watch the 1950 Charlton Heston & Yul Brynner movie
The Ten Commandments
SO YOU CAN RE-LEARN HOW TO PULL PHARAOH'S BRICKS !!!- Pitofdoom, on 12/01/2008, -9/+5Oh ya, it's a green job if
Environmentalist boy lets us dig in the quarry ! - MisterNeil, on 12/01/2008, -9/+6Yes We Can?
- NoCommies, on 12/02/2008, -1/+4@Pitofdoom
Only the weak become slaves. - Pitofdoom, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4That's why I'm letting them know what's coming,
given I won't be here to kick around...
- Pitofdoom, on 12/01/2008, -9/+5Oh ya, it's a green job if
- jb1965, on 12/01/2008, -15/+10It would be funny if it weren't so deadly serious! We are DOOMED!!!
- RomeroWasRight, on 12/01/2008, -15/+54FTA:
"Mr Obama floats off still further from reality when he proposes spending $15 billion a year to encourage "clean energy" sources, such as thousands more wind turbines. He is clearly unaware that wind energy is so hopelessly ineffective that the 10,000 turbines America already has, representing "18 gigawatts of installed capacity", only generate 4.5GW of power, less than that supplied by a single giant coal-fired power station."
Clearly, the only possible way to justify this technology lies completely outside market demand, in the realm of government inefficiency and fiscal waste.- Pitofdoom, on 12/01/2008, -13/+9Research the BTU energy output of "green" Vs. OIL.
There is absolutely no comparison, unless your an Indian living in a winter removable tee pee !- Pitofdoom, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4
How does BTU "facts" get a -12 ?
- Pitofdoom, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4
- bionicvskungfu, on 12/02/2008, -2/+1The articles doesn't really state a source of this information? Wikipedia suggests otherwise...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_Uni ...
- Pitofdoom, on 12/01/2008, -13/+9Research the BTU energy output of "green" Vs. OIL.
- WeAreSparta, on 12/01/2008, -17/+43You know at least the Carter era had Zeppelin to listen to while the country crumbled before them, we've got the Jonas Brothers as our soundtrack :(
- kaelyiesta, on 12/01/2008, -2/+8I refused the urge to look up who you are referring to. I'm probably better off not knowing.
- cptmichael101st, on 12/01/2008, -0/+9picture three teenage sisters dressed as boys that pretend to play instruments and sing about their vast repertoire of relationship experience.
then you suddenly and sickeningly realize that they are actually boys. and it's ALL REAL. - WeAreSparta, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1That's rather ambiguous- that COULD be Hanson...
add in that they look like Marie Osmond- that will easily distinguish the two.
- cptmichael101st, on 12/01/2008, -0/+9picture three teenage sisters dressed as boys that pretend to play instruments and sing about their vast repertoire of relationship experience.
- kaelyiesta, on 12/01/2008, -2/+8I refused the urge to look up who you are referring to. I'm probably better off not knowing.
- InRussetShadows, on 12/01/2008, -15/+23I'd suggest My Silent Wake, if you can handle the doom metal thing.
- kemp34, on 12/01/2008, -17/+22There is nothing the government can do to make up for the problems created by disastrous monetary policy over decades, which created terminal malignant malinvestment throughout the economy. The only hope is to return to localized, free market, decentralized market opportunities. Trying to command and control from the top WILL FAIL GUARANTEED.
Regardless of policy, we are in for some *****, but from what I have heard from Obama thus far, it appears they are ready to make it worse.
Please read some Mises if you are interested in insight on all this.- Pitofdoom, on 12/01/2008, -13/+3NWO ALL loose !!
- flashingcurser, on 12/01/2008, -13/+15Two observations about this article:
First, for those who think we can vote our way into the hearts of the people of the UK and EU, you 're sorely mistaken. They will like Obama a little more than Bush because of his left leaning tendencies, this does not resolve the fact that they simply do not like us. Regardless of who's president. In their minds, we will remain boorish, fat, lazy and greedy. No amount of couth, gauntness, industry, or charity will change that. This will become apparent before his first term is done.
Second, I find it interesting that the press in the UK has already taken their gloves off, while the American press is still in their honeymoon. I wonder how the left in the US is going to feel when the press turns on them? Most feel that the press is friendly companion to a democratic white house. If the press can turn on the Clinton white house, they certainly will on the Obama white house. Though I wonder if they will have to hire a lot more black reporters?- aletoledo, on 12/01/2008, -3/+5I think the US press has a lot more invested in US politics. Sure the foreign MSM is likely corporate controlled, as happens in the US, but they likely are rivals corporations. There is no reason for the european corporate media to use kid gloves on the US political agenda and this makes them a better reflection of what we truly are like than our own self-serving media outlets.
- kaelyiesta, on 12/01/2008, -1/+8For US politicians and news media, waiting a while before going to work on Obama is a smart decision. There is a ton of eagerness amongst voters and any premature hostilities(particularly from the GOP) would just look like the whining of a sore loser. Regardless of facts, many won't pay any attention to naysayers until Obama makes some obvious mistakes first.
- jsmithers, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4I'm a Brit in the UK. I dugg parent up, not because I agree, but because I wanted my reply to be read.
It is not generally true that Brits or Europeans hold such a negative view of Americans. All the Americans I and most others have met are great people. Most of us over here are intelligent enough to realise that the media highlights those ignorant fat back country hicks in the US precisely because they are atypical.
Sure, I have a low opinion of some of the US education system, and of some of your politicians, and some of your culture is really very odd. But I would not be surprised if others judged the UK in a similar fashion.
At the end of the day, you're my fellow humans. No one should judge anyone, lest they be judged themselves by the same standard.
- Pitofdoom, on 12/01/2008, -18/+4Slavery ain't so bad,
you've been getting use to it for about 40 yrs. !- danielttt, on 12/02/2008, -1/+1Up to your butt in debt and wanting someone else to pay your bills, huh? You bought your own slavery. Financed it on Mastercard, Visa, Discover, Amex...
- Pitofdoom, on 12/02/2008, -1/+1I guess you haven't been keeping up.
All money is awash in corruption, labor has been propped up by illusions of wealth !
The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.
- Pitofdoom, on 12/02/2008, -1/+1I guess you haven't been keeping up.
- danielttt, on 12/02/2008, -1/+1Pitifuldoom= I guess you don't believing in reading what you are ostensibly responding to. Your phoniness comes out screaming in your bogus philosophy. Thieves commonly use contracts to obtain goods and services. They then finds it so inconvenient to PAY YOUR DEBTS. Then they have the audacity to blame the "system" because they aren't honorable enough to admit faults. Blame the guy who's always respected and feared debt. Your offer to share in your self induced misery is politely declined. Here's a tip, spend less than you earn.
- danielttt, on 12/02/2008, -1/+1Up to your butt in debt and wanting someone else to pay your bills, huh? You bought your own slavery. Financed it on Mastercard, Visa, Discover, Amex...
- moolaismyfriend, on 12/01/2008, -12/+22So this is the thread where all the children left behind come to play. It's like a Rauschenberg painting, except uninspiring.
- aletoledo, on 12/01/2008, -6/+6translation? What children were left behind and where are their parents?
It almost appears that you're suggesting that Obama will have a successful plan and "the children" are those people that disagree with his ideas. You might do well to heed a little warning so that in case things don't go as you Hope, that you won't be so dumbfounded.
- aletoledo, on 12/01/2008, -6/+6translation? What children were left behind and where are their parents?
- jiqiren, on 12/01/2008, -13/+4dugg for the awesome comments this will generate (if it hits the front page).
- ObamAmerican48, on 12/01/2008, -11/+23Oh, good grief, give me a ***** break.
1) I could not possibly care less what people in the UK and the EU have to say about our political process. Most of them still pay taxes out the wazoo for their "royal" families. Until they can figure out what to do with their antiquated kings and queens and princes and princesses and castles and fairy tails that don't come true, I can't take them seriously.
b) Obama hasn't yet taken office. Game plans change in the middle of the game to adjust for changing circumstances. To say that it's a little PREMATURE to predict whether or not Obama may be proposing economic suicide is a ***** understatement . Last time I checked, he has some pretty stellar economists from all backgrounds and ideologies giving him some sage advice.
How sad it is that so many of you want him to fail so you can say "I told you so". Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face.
You idiots are worthless.- aletoledo, on 12/01/2008, -7/+7FYI, he's basing the article upon a video statement released by Obama. Obama of course could Change his mind about his plans, but it seems bad form to be release such a video statement then.
- pbd1637, on 12/01/2008, -3/+6YOU HYPOCRITE!!!
How often did we hear all the mother f*ck'n rhetoric about how the "messiah" was going to return dignity to the U.S.? How ofter did we hear how the Europeans would be filled with gladness and admiration for the new president of change and hope? How ofter did we hear about how Bush has insulted and burned every bridge to the old world and that it was time to reconcile with Western civilization?
But now that they criticize Obama, you say; "Screw them! Who cares about the Europeans?"
YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE BASTARD!
You are less than worthless. You are soiled and spoiled and you smell bad too. Please just fall off the face the face of the earth. - InvisibleInk, on 12/02/2008, -1/+1Some just want to abuse you
Some just to be abused
- mtnmusicman, on 12/01/2008, -10/+19Buried !!! You got to be kidding, right? Some of you nitwits like commenting on a journalist from overseas? Really. Can't stir up enough crap huh? Why don't you step back and take a long look at what Bush/Cheney and friends have done to our country, yes OUR country. Obama has done more in the last two weeks for us than Bushy has in eight. So come on Joe, put down the six pack and come back to reality.
- aletoledo, on 12/01/2008, -6/+7reality? You just dismissed an entire article because you don't like the nationality of the reporter. I'd say that reality doesn't observe boundaries drawn on a map.
- BuddyOne, on 12/01/2008, -22/+12Obama is a failure before he starts. He ran on a flawed philosophy. Idiots loved it.
- jstreveln, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1right the guy who won is the one that failed from the start....idiots?....right
- mtnmusicman, on 12/01/2008, -7/+20Oh how easy you are persuaded ole buddyone ! You must have escaped Jones town and survived drinking the kool-aid.
- tcbishop12, on 12/01/2008, -5/+22"If the holder of the most powerful office in the world proposed a policy guaranteed to inflict untold damage on his own country and many others, on the basis of claims so demonstrably fallacious that they amount to a string of self-deluding lies, we might well be concerned."
What "we", kemosabe? Conjectural, lacks substance, filled with logical fallacies, piece of crap article, buried.- BuddyOne, on 12/02/2008, -1/+4The Guardian doesn't think that Obama's IQ is worth much...their loss of faith didn't take very long, did it?
- joand315, on 12/01/2008, -7/+19This article is a wet dream for right wing nuts. After Obama has been president for 6 months, then we'll talk.
- kaelyiesta, on 12/01/2008, -9/+9I noticed the retorts against this article range from insults to 'who cares what europe thinks?'. It's as if the quotations from Obama in the article are not visible. It's unfortunate that a person would refuse to focus on the facts, whatever the issue.
- ehalasey, on 12/01/2008, -4/+4At what point in time does an article based entirely on conjecture constitute "facts"? Great. Obama wants to try a more serious approach to fighting global warming, and it turns out that "green" energy can't yet be as efficiently produced as "non-green". (Not like there is presently a complete lack of economic structure to support efficient green technology, therefore guaranteeing that green = inefficient until we can catch up.)
Funny how easy it is for a writer to attack an environmentally-friendly policy that when said writer doesn't believe in global warming. You want to talk facts? How's about the part where the author took the very great liberty of asserting the "fact" that we're not experiencing climate change? I'd love to see that proof. I mean, if the author really had solid proof, it'd be easy to take the whole rest of it, but an entire critique based on taking for granted something that the majority of the scientific community won't even support? Is this really the ugly nub to which journalistic integrity has been whittled down, these days?
No wonder "the retorts against this article" aren't serious. This is clearly a crock of *****.
- ehalasey, on 12/01/2008, -4/+4At what point in time does an article based entirely on conjecture constitute "facts"? Great. Obama wants to try a more serious approach to fighting global warming, and it turns out that "green" energy can't yet be as efficiently produced as "non-green". (Not like there is presently a complete lack of economic structure to support efficient green technology, therefore guaranteeing that green = inefficient until we can catch up.)
- zeitgueist, on 12/01/2008, -7/+9Most of the article is spent trying to convince the reader that global warming isn't happening. You people take this seriously?
- buddywlkr3, on 12/01/2008, -8/+13Again we have a series of comments taking off on ideological trips and missing the whole point. The point of the article is well taken: Obama has clearly throughout the campaign maintained that climate change is man made and that drastic steps have to be taken to prevent a catastrophe. Those steps, as he has clearly indicated, involve spending billions to shift us from an oil-based and carbon fuel economy, and those efforts include wind power, solar power, etc. These facts are not in dispute. What IS in dispute, however, is whether climate change is man made; whether the predictions of catastrophe made by UN politicians and Al Gore have any validity; and whether it makes sense to spend billions on such energy sources that cannot be justified on any economic basis rather than ideology. I agree with the writer of the article that doing all of this makes no economic sense and will bring the US economy to its knees.
- ehalasey, on 12/01/2008, -4/+4Wait, the US economy isn't already there? Wow. Good to know the whole of last year was a dream.
Four more years of failed environmental policy will surely save us all! - AWBoy666, on 12/02/2008, -3/+1Good comment.
- kitsua, on 12/02/2008, -1/+2Even if it all turns out to be hokum, you end up with a stronger, sustainable economy and society.
Seems like win-win to me.
- ehalasey, on 12/01/2008, -4/+4Wait, the US economy isn't already there? Wow. Good to know the whole of last year was a dream.
- SpankkBankk, on 12/01/2008, -1/+4Shocker??
- Homerr, on 12/01/2008, -3/+4FUD
- dixta, on 12/01/2008, -4/+6Because EVERYBODY should take tabloid journalism seriously.
- kitsua, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3Actually, though moderate/centrist-right wing/Tory, the Daily Telegraph is actually a broadsheet, not a tabloid and their general standard of journalism, though as skewed as the medium necessarily dictates, is really quite acceptably high. Don't get confused with the Daily Mail.
This opinion piece, however, is jarringly partisan and obtuse, even for that paper. I actually checked the validity of the site as I was reading it just to make sure it wasn't a hoax.
- kitsua, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3Actually, though moderate/centrist-right wing/Tory, the Daily Telegraph is actually a broadsheet, not a tabloid and their general standard of journalism, though as skewed as the medium necessarily dictates, is really quite acceptably high. Don't get confused with the Daily Mail.
- TheShade, on 12/01/2008, -2/+9funny that Shell ad banners were scattered all over that article when I clicked the story link.
- Farth, on 12/01/2008, -2/+5Another global warming denialist screed. The author, Christopher Booker, is a well known crank. This is what passes for knowledge by the wingnut crowd. Buried.
- EASwanson, on 12/02/2008, -3/+4Who cares about global warming when you don't have a job....
- InvisibleInk, on 12/02/2008, -1/+2Don't worry, the new green jobs are just around the corner...
- greenfyre, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1The people dying because of it?
- AboveandBeyond, on 12/02/2008, -2/+4The 10,000 turbines in the US generate less power than a single coal-fired plant
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Why doesn't anyone talk about this? - THETEH, on 12/02/2008, -2/+4Investing in green technology isn't economic suicide. It's practical. Borrowing money from overseas and using it to buy foreign oil is economic suicide. Green energy is the alternative, and it will mean that we will actually be producing our own power here. Hence, more economic stability because (A) there will be a ton of new jobs and (B) we won't be pouring all our money overseas and piling up ridiculous debt.
- algaeturd, on 12/02/2008, -2/+5Suicide? You mean 'assisted' suicide at best. Bush already slit the economy's throat with his lynchmen Bernanke and Paulson. There's very little left to damage at this point. The educated people realize this already. What would you consider yourself if you believe this *****?
Make no mistake. This economy may finish its collapse under Obama but the facts and history prove that Bush is the one who slit it's throat. Let's never forget that. If Obama can bring it back to life, so be it. But Bush didn't just murder innocent people, you can also add 'economy' to the things he's slaughtered in his laughably embarrassing 8 year term. - BuddyOne, on 12/02/2008, -2/+5Because Obama hasn't told them to talk about it yet.
- fvcktheNWO, on 12/02/2008, -2/+2We were warned about very unpopular decisions being made. I guess change is a-coming!
- greenfyre, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Brooker is a known fraud who just makes things up in an attempt to discredit climate reality:
http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ch ... - jackieblu, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Loser wing nuts, W. ***** up the economy- give credit where credits due. What the hell do they have to show for this huge deficit created by W. and the GOP? The Iraq war is separate, it's not included in the deficit. Buried!
- jstreveln, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1buried..like the wast product it is!
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