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Seven years on, no answer from White House on anthrax attack

rawstory.com — At Monday's White House briefing, I asked if President Bush was satisfied with the progress of the investigation into the 2001 attacks. Press Secretary Dana Perino told me that she didn't even "know if he has had an update on it."

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  • HeartlandUSA, on 07/16/2008, -15/+227Republicans on terror:

    -ignored warnings from their terror czar
    -ignored warnings from other countries
    -failed to shoot down the planes
    -president sat around & did nothing when told of attacks
    -lied about knowing planes can be used as missiles
    -never caught bin laden
    -invaded wrong country knowingly with false intel
    -never caught anthrax terrorist
    -created a terror watch list with 1 million people on it
    -destroyed the bill of rights
    -spies on all of our communications
    -tortures suspects
    -kidnaps suspects
    -murdered hundreds of thousands of people that had nothing to do with 9/11
    -failed to stop taliban
    -gave Taliban $43 Million Four Months before 9/11
    -spent over half a trillion tax dollars on failed wars
    -don't protect US when disasters hit
    -massive waste & fraud by their contractors
    -billions & billions of dollars gone missing
    -propaganda misinformation campaigns
    -illegally using govt for political attacks on authorities who question wars
    -forcing officials that do not agree to retire
    -promoting & awarding officials who fail miserably, but are loyal to policy

    & on & on....

    The Republicans had full control & disgraced this country like never seen before in history.

    Even the dumbest most crooked Democrat would be a giant improvement.
    • MikaelMN, on 07/16/2008, -1/+18Brilliant synopsis...

      ... from the Heart.... Land.
      • didiman, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2heartland you must be a kool-aid distributor
    • Tyrghast, on 07/17/2008, -2/+12Man... and I had a 2 yr-old singing "Grand Ol' Flag" to me earlier today... thanks for the 100% accurate list buzzkill...
    • Jenadae, on 07/17/2008, -22/+15Because the Dems have all proven themselves to be such great leaders in that senate of theirs....
      • darkciti2, on 07/17/2008, -6/+19You mean the one that they JUST RECENTLY took control of? Why not have some personal responsibility and accept Republican failures for the 6 years that ONLY Republicans controlled the Congress (House of Reps / Senate) _and_ the White House.

        THAT ALONE is why we have $5 / gallon gasoline and an endless war, when we would be wiser to invest in renewable energy here in the USA.

        Typical Republican strawman tactic: "Look over there, someone else is doing something wrong".
      • Jenadae, on 07/17/2008, -11/+10Get off your high rocker, both these parties are pathetic, its like flipping a 2 headed coin, but go ahead feeling like somethings gonna change...
      • cherwilco, on 07/17/2008, -1/+7well jenadae I think Ive heard that one before. I think you mean to insinuate that you blame the dems for not controlling that raving psychopath that YOU voted for. I would just like to point out its a little tough to hold someone accountable when all he has to do is hide behind the executive privilege curtain.
      • feignNU, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Uh...darkciti2 and cherwilco...when did Jenadae say anything about being a republican? I mean, maybe you know him from other discussions, in which case I just don't have the whole picture here...but all he (she?) ever said was that the Dems aren't really doing all that much. If anyone is using strawman tactics, it is you, darkciti, by assuming that anyone who hates on democrats must be a republican. I'm sorry, but this is exactly the kind of ridiculous assumption that perpetuates all the political problems that everyone is so sick and tired of. You need to start thinking more carefully.
    • 10scott10, on 07/17/2008, -1/+29don't forget stopping clinton from bombing the hell out of osama in the 90s, when he got wind of his location. they said he was trying to distract the country from the importance of the blow-job hearings
      • hierophantus, on 07/17/2008, -6/+4WAGGING THE DOG WAGGING THE DOG WAGGING THE DOG!

        WAGGING THE DOG!!!!
    • CrazedLeper, on 07/17/2008, -3/+19So they're *this* bad but above doing 9/11 themselves? They are so not. 9/11 was the key to all their ambitions and none of the rest of it could have happened without 9/11. Am I to think that they merely stood back and waited for the "catastrophic and catalyzing event" (according to the PNAC report) which they needed most? No, 'fraid not. The anthrax was traced back to US stockpiles beyond the shadow of a doubt but let denial reign.
      • sodade, on 07/17/2008, -0/+11You know, I used to marginalize stuff like this by calling it "conspiracy theories," but when there are so many examples of conspiracy, malfeasance and profiteering, it really adds weight to 9/11 false flag claims. I am starting to feel dumb for dismissing them so easily.
      • lpferris, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5@sodade - it's not about feeling dumb. we are fed so much bad information from every direction every day that it's easy to deny even obvious evidence. just come to terms with the truth, and do what you can to spread it.
    • ShaoKahn, on 07/17/2008, -3/+13You forget that Democrats and Republicans are in the end the same. Divide and Conquer..
    • suspid, on 07/17/2008, -3/+3Even the dumbest most crooked Doormant would be a giant improvement.

      that's what I actually read in your post
      and I agreed
    • pablo82, on 07/17/2008, -1/+10I guess no matter how many examples of both sides being as corrupt as the other people will still only be able to remember the last group in power. So when the democrats come in and are a disgrace, possibly get two terms and turn America into even more of a police state etc people will vote republicans back in. I hope this generation is paying attention, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS THE NAME!! A few different policies here and there, but they all bow to the same masters. Not conspiracy nonsense, reality.
    • Hangly, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4When you're the one perpetrating the terror, getting warned about it by everyone just gets irritating.
    • starmanjones, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2the sad thing is that your list might very well have left out the big ones.
    • Resiroth, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6republican stance on terror: pro.
    • u8muhrice, on 07/17/2008, -1/+9i don't get why people are so pro democrat or for Obama now. I mean I personally believe that it better than a republican, however everyone forgets one thing. They are BOTH crooked.

      You think America's answer is Obama? Hell he VOTED that we should be searched without a warrant.

      You think this war will stop once Obama becomes president? Hell no, he's going to bomb the ***** out of Iraq just as Bush did and McCain will do if he becomes president.
      • lpferris, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6I love how they're Digging you down. You're completely correct, but people REALLY want to believe in Obama (unfortunately) despite the undeniable proof that he's just as bad as the rest of them. It's a sad situation.
      • voodoosteve84, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Where does he say he will bomb Iraq? I've heard him talk tough on Iran and on Afghanistan, but he's talking withdrawal in Iraq.
      • u8muhrice, on 07/22/2008, -0/+0voodoosteve, I am just assuming.
        However, Obama has broken promises before. He said he was going to vote no to illegal wiretapping, but he LIED. He voted yes.

        So why believe what he says? He's talking about withdrawal so he can get your votes. In reality this whole government is crooked
    • bbqsalad, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4We need to overthrow the government and the corporations contributing to their crimes. We should not stand for this any longer. We need a violent revolt against our own government. Get your guns.
    • ciaran036, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10Republicans and Democrats are on opposite sides of the same coin. They have the same goals in mind. They only APPEAR to be different.
      • Hangly, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2They have different styles meant to appeal to different audiences.

        Republicans bomb for God, Democrats bomb for human rights. Raytheon gets paid either way.
    • obamayomama, on 07/17/2008, -2/+1That's really a thoughtful post... "Hey, why don't I just list radical left talking points? That'll get me a lot of Diggs."
      • voodoosteve84, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1How is your post any more thoughtful? "I don't care about debating the evidence, I'll just call them names."

        I'm sure we could provide you with mainstream sources for every item on that list if you wanted some proof. Alternatively, if you could provide me with info that shows that the allegations are incorrect, I'd gladly read them.
      • obamayomama, on 07/18/2008, -0/+0"I'm sure we could provide you with mainstream sources for every item on that list..." Then do it, instread of just regurgitating talking points.
  • exomni, on 07/16/2008, -14/+126Who cares? Anthrax was just a ploy to get support for The Patriot Act and the Iraqi invasion. It was most likely carried out or at least planned and hired by the White House itself.
    • swrostmore, on 07/17/2008, -13/+379/11 conspiracy is ***** but this is one false flag attack that seems highly probable.
      • diespectra, on 07/17/2008, -4/+20If the anthrax attack was a false flag attack, it raises the probability that 911 was too.
      • Hangly, on 07/17/2008, -1/+12If they're capable of one, they're capable of the other.
      • pixelguru, on 07/17/2008, -1/+8Under normal circumstances (like 10 years ago) I would have agreed, but we've seen so much completely outrageous behavior from this administration, that it really can't be discounted - at least not until the contents of Cheney's safe have been emptied out and studied. Considering what we do know about (torturing prisoners, secret detention camps, spying on American citizens, the Plame case...) I shudder to think about what is on the cards that they've kept close to their chests. Could they have had a hand in at least letting 9/11 happen? Considering all that they gained from the event, it just can't be discounted - and if there's even a sliver of a chance that they were in any way involved, we simply can't let them get away with it.
      • sodade, on 07/17/2008, -1/+7I'm with pixel here. I was quick to dismiss the tinfoil hat crowd and now I am wondering if some of those "kooks" were really on to something. It's not like we don't have a clear pattern of abuses that we can prove.
      • ciaran036, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4"The tinfoil hat crowd".
        People use that phrase to denounce a group of people as nutters. However, many people actually think that the same people actually wear tinfoil hats.
      • Caffeinate, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Remember the month of October 2001? Anyone who worked at a large company was warned about mail, etc., it was a huge deal. That brought the fear home to every American. Due to the fact that once we invaded Iraq, the Anthrax story was dropped, buried and never spoken of again, it is hard to dismiss doubts in the light of what has come after.

        The whole Anthrax situation, particularly who it targeted - the media, certain Senators, etc., is extremely fishy, and the fact that it is never mentioned has always bothered me. The Anthrax originated in the US, how much more evidence do we really need that there is something odd about the official "explanations" or rather, the lack thereof? Of all the things that make me question 9/11, none have ever bothered me quite like the Anthrax scare coming right on the heels of it. Remember the plastic bags and duct tape speech to protect your home in the event of a chemical attack? That was so ridiculous that we should have seen through it as fear-mongering, but it was so prevalent after 9/11 it seemed plausible.

        At some point, a true investigation of Anthrax and 9/11 needs to take place. Unfortunately, it will probably be long after Bush & friends all fade off into the sunset with fat retirement portfolios, leaving future generations to clean up their messes.
    • Alucard66, on 07/17/2008, -0/+32maybe not highly probable but atleast possible
      • Hangly, on 07/17/2008, -0/+12It was weaponized anthrax from a US lab.

        Extremely probable.
      • Monk22, on 07/17/2008, -2/+2It was weaponized anthrax from a US lab.

        [citation needed]
      • Hangly, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Are your fingers broken? Google it.
    • dxgg, on 07/17/2008, -17/+5I believe the tin foil is on isle 4. *rolls eyes*
      • treehugger87, on 07/17/2008, -2/+3And I believe you have nothing worhwile to say. *raises middle finger*
    • xBDVx, on 07/17/2008, -4/+10"Justice Department officials kept the investigation focused on Hatfill for almost five years, even though investigators never found any evidence linking him to the attacks." Ummm...this is *****. If anyone still remembers anything about this case, they can tell you that had a lot of evidence on Hatfill, it was just circumstantial. Hatfill, though, had the motive, opportunity, and expertise to do these attacks. They know exactly where the anthrax comes from...all they have to do is look at the DNA and they know exactly which stain it is. It comes from Ft. Detrick, and I live in the town down the road from the facility. From 2002-4, the FBI was all over the place in my town. It looked like an open and shut case, but the case would never hold up in court because they couldn't find the smoking gun. Don't get me wrong though, I'd like the guy to be brought to justice, but I think he acted alone, and managed to cover his tracks so well that it will be a long time before more evidence comes to light.
      If you're going to make up some conspiracy, at least make it sound like you did some research into this, starting right here:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks# ...
      and don't just believe what rawstory.com tells you.
      • TheSkunkMonkey, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3I don't fear terrorists, I fear my government.

        I lived just down the road from Fredrick and my best friends wife worked at Ft. Detrick. That this occurred there never surprised her.

        There's only a finite number of people that could have accessed that strain of Anthrax. Only one employee of Ft Detrick was investigated and as you said, the circumstantial evidence was strong. By virtue of elimination, if no one else had any possible evidence linking them, Hatfill would be number one suspect and easy to prove unless they didn't want to so they could blame the terrorists.

        The whole problem with the investigation is that the people involved could have easily steered it in any direction they wanted to. If you subscribe to the theory that our government was behind this and wanted to use it to foist blame on the terrorists, they would want to clear anyone they used to perpetuate the act. Lo and behold, we've not found anyone guilty and if you ask the average person who's to blame, who do you think they say? Hatfill or the Terrorists? One of the easiest ways to control the population is through fear and perception. As long as enough of the sheeple fear an imaginary bogeyman, you will be able to control them.

        I don't fear terrorists, I fear my government.

        The ***** has got so bad one of the motivating factors in moving away from the DC area this year, where I've lived all my 43 years, is the fact that it's a big target for the next step in our path to Fascism, either another false flag event or the Revolution to stop it. One significant terrorist attack, real or staged on US soil and Bush will have his tipping point event and allow him to invoke some serious power abuses he's given himself via executive orders in the name of fighting the Terrorist bogeymen. I saw the smoke rising from the Pentagon from my office window that day, I do not want to be that close again.

        So where did I move to you ask? A US territory in the Caribbean :p

    • richmomz, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2I'm surprised that the Truthers haven't pursued this issue more vigorously, as it leaves more unanswered questions than any other event related to 9/11 and is certainly a bit suspicious. It was all over the media until the strain was identified as having come from the U.S. military, specifically at Ft. Detrick. Since then the silence of the government and media on this issue has been deafining.
  • qdkk, on 07/16/2008, -3/+60The anthrax con probably goes deeper than anyone realizes. When will those who know start talking?
    • Harbinger67, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6If and when everyone who can do anything to punish them have died from old age, and well after anyone gives a *****.
    • CrazedLeper, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3When the have developed a taste for anthrax.
    • richmomz, on 07/17/2008, -1/+6It was all over the media until the strain was identified as a U.S. military variant from Ft. Detrick. Immediately afterwards the story fell off the radar and has been treated as a non-issue ever since. It doesn't take a great stretch of the imagination to theorize why.
  • magicmarker44, on 07/16/2008, -13/+64It is SO obvious that BushCo was involved in the anthrax attacks along with 9/11... it helped scare the public and Congress into doing their bidding and into handing over imperial rule to these criminal bastards.
    • didiman, on 07/17/2008, -4/+3ah you're the reason tin foil is in short supply
      • bbqsalad, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2Its easier to think a couple guys with box cutters did it huh? Makes more sense than our government doing it I suppose. You're the reason they get away with so much. Why question them right?
    • richmomz, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1Nobody knows for sure who is responsible, but what we DO know is that the anthrax came from the U.S. military (specifically a strain from Ft. Detrick). I don't think the terrorists would have had access to these facilities, so the only other possibility was that it came from someone wanting it to look like a terrorist attack. They tried to pin this on a U.S. scientist on totally bogus evidence, and he was recently awarded millions for the loss of his professional reputation as a result. The whole thing stinks and that's exactly why nobody wants to talk about it.
    • Caffeinate, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1The whole Anthrax investigation stinks to high heaven. It came from the US, but no guilty party was ever named, and the whole thing was dropped like a hot potato once it was found to be from the US?

      If that does *not* make you wonder, you are someone I would like to talk to - I have some great ocean front property in Arizona you might like to purchase. Dismissing people who question the Anthrax situation as tin-foil hat wearing lunatics makes you look stupid, quite frankly.

      There has been NO explanation of how US developed biological weaponry (I thought we weren't supposed to be participating in that, either, but I digress) got sent to key members of the opposition party in the Senate and members of the media. It is being "overly suspicious and paranoid" to question it? A lack of curiosity that deep and a sense of government faith that strong is pathological, and in vernacular, is called STUPIDITY.
  • Rotzooi, on 07/16/2008, -3/+51The anthrax helped elevate the terrrrr level and scare the American people, or at least, the Republicans.

    Always, always ask 'Que bono?' And here, once again, it's Bush and his cronies.
    • PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -0/+12CUI bono. "who benefits". Not "que bono", I think that is a mixture of spanish and latin.

      The anthrax attacks targetted democratic legislators and the press, just prior to the vote on the patriot act.

      cui bono?
  • ChristPissed, on 07/16/2008, -3/+40It is official White House policy to give disingenuous answers to questions regarding any Flase Flag Operations of which the Administration was complicit.
    • EllenO, on 07/17/2008, -5/+1I'll be happy when you prove it.
      • solistus, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5I'll be happy when the burden of proof rests on the ones who control all the evidence and resources, or when said parties at least pretend to care about finding out the truth.
      • Caffeinate, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2I'm with solistus, here, I'll be happy when there is an investigation by someone that makes even a modest attempt at impartial fact finding. Impartial, being the key word - you know, someone that doesn't benefit by covering up the truth.

        Considering who they would have to investigate, though, a major stumbling block to impartiality is the fact that people who can unleash Anthrax and get away with it can also do other horrible things to people they don't like to impede investigations.
      • solistus, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Caffeinate: Agreed. *I* sure wouldn't volunteer to be one of the people working on that case. Enemies in high places are bad news.

        For the record, I'm not convinced by any of the 9/11 truther theories I've read, but the cover-ups and lack of a credible investigation leave little doubt in my mind that at least some degree of complicity at the hands of the Bush Administration was involved. The scrap from the towers was carted away and melted down for reuse before any known forensic investigation was conducted to determine exactly what happened on 9/11/01. I can't think of any explanation for such a thing other than someone with power not wanting the truth to come out. The fact that amateurs with nothing to work with beyond new media pictures of the site haven't come up with an airtight alternative theory is hardly proof that the official story is true. Many truthers cling to straw man arguments like the melting point of steel thing (steel structurally degrades and becomes non-load bearing well before it melts) rather than focusing on the blatant cover-up efforts.

        Remember when Bhutto was assassinated and Pakistan immediately sprayed down the site of the crime with fire hoses, erasing most or all possible forensic evidence? We did that times a thousand after 9/11.
    • Hangly, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2I love you. Marry me.
  • jaypooner, on 07/16/2008, -2/+10bush wrote the letters. at least he didnt fake the bad grammar
  • papastout, on 07/16/2008, -2/+40...and still no Osama...
    • CrazedLeper, on 07/17/2008, -0/+11Suckers. They were never looking for family friend and CIA asset, "Tim Osman". Inside job.
  • seawolf369, on 07/16/2008, -4/+28http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARCHIVE/ctnow_co ...

    Lab specimens of anthrax spores, Ebola virus and other pathogens disappeared from the Army's biological warfare research facility.

    The 1992 inquiry also found evidence that someone was secretly entering a lab late at night to conduct unauthorized research, apparently involving anthrax. A numerical counter on a piece of lab equipment had been rolled back to hide work done by the mystery researcher, who left the misspelled label "antrax" in the machine's electronic memory
    • Naieve, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2The only problem being that some of the strains of Anthrax used in the attacks were never developed in the United States, for any purpose. We had moved on to Biological Weapons in the 60's. Anthrax is poor mans WMD. Go figure out who made a super strain of it.
      • darkciti2, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5It obvious that it was a high-level biochemist/nanophysicist with access to a world class laboratory. There are only a handful of those in existence.

        Which one do you think it was, ace?
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10Hey genius, naieve. The ONLY strain of anthrax used in the "attacks" was traced to Fort Detrick.

        I found a link you can feel comfortable with:

        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342852,00.html

        "But in an e-mail obtained by FOX News, scientists at Fort Detrick openly discussed how the anthrax powder they were asked to analyze after the attacks was nearly identical to that made by one of their colleagues."
      • Caffeinate, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Look at the name - Naieve. LOL. Naieve is naive, and not very good at spelling, either.

        Are you jockeying for a position in the shill machine, Naieve? A total lack of curiosity, complete faith in government and an abundance of misinformation is all you need - looks like you are on the fast track, buddy.
    • CrazedLeper, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7"some of the strains of Anthrax used in the attacks were never developed in the United States, for any purpose."

      "*Some* of the strains?" What about the rest? Clearly, the rest have been prepared to travel 1st class through the US mail. The proof is in the pudding; another proof of an inside job.
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7There was only one strain, and it was traced back to Fort Detrick, MD.

        "But in an e-mail obtained by FOX News, scientists at Fort Detrick openly discussed how the anthrax powder they were asked to analyze after the attacks was nearly identical to that made by one of their colleagues."
  • swrostmore, on 07/17/2008, -25/+2I think we can all agree that Right-wing terrorism isn't real terrorism. We should focus on the real enemy - Arabs.
    • Tangaroa, on 07/17/2008, -0/+16To quibble, the Arab terrorists are mostly right-wing. Most of them are more right-wing than Ann Coulter. She just fantasizes about killing anyone who disagrees with her in the name of God, they have people going out and doing it.
      • swrostmore, on 07/17/2008, -9/+1*****, everybody knows that Arab terrorists are Muslim Socialists, that's why they love Obama so much.
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5swrostmore, I think you've overdosed on the kool aid.

        What the ***** is a "muslim socialist"?? If you're so big a believer in the neocon story line they sell on Fox News and conservative talk radio, tell me how the Taliban were socialists? Tell me how Saudi Arabia is socialist. How about the Iranians? Are they socialists, too?

        Damn, pull your head out of your ass.

        Are you one of the 12% who actually think Barrack Obama is a muslim?

        Man, I pity you for being such a moron.
      • obamayomama, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1The problem is, PhilLesh69, that swrostmore thinks he's funny, but the only thing amusing is the riduculous positions he takes on Digg.
  • jlhoben, on 07/17/2008, -3/+9Did she have any idea when they plan the next round?
  • principle, on 07/17/2008, -4/+7Now who could have done the anthrax attacks? Let’s see... Whoever it is belongs to the extreme right, has a motive, is in position to gain access to the stuff, crazy enough to use it, and so well connected as to avoid exposure. There is only one person who fits that description. No, it’s not Bush. It’s Sun Myung Moon.
    • Naieve, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Principle, follow the superstrain of Anthrax that was used.

      There was a Conference in the UK during the 80's which talked about the Anthrax super strain, and North Korea wasn't the likely culprit who was there.

      No western country wanted to waste the money making Anthrax more volatile when they had dozens of other options provided by the more highly advanced Chemical Industries in the West.
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Sun Myung Moon is not North Korean. He's South Korean.

        And, he's very aligned with the neocons. He owns the Washington Times through Newsworld.

        (I work for UPI, and we maintained the TWT website and databases up until late 2006.)
    • PhilLesh69, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1principle, sun myung moon owns the Washington Times. He is very much in bed with the Bush Administration.

      I know, I work for UPI, another Newsworld holding. We manage the TWT website.
    • ciaran036, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Right and left don't matter to the people involved planning or setting up false-flag terrorism.
  • louise12345, on 07/17/2008, -2/+17What a scheme that was! It sure worked, getting everyone all worked up and frightened. Who would be next? When would they strike? Would someone die?

    Save us Mr Bush!

    And Congress willingly handed over our rights because of the 'boogey man'.

  • algaeturd, on 07/17/2008, -3/+16The people who believe this fairy tale are the same people who still believe the WMDs exist somewhere in Iraq. Keep the citizens scared and they'll remain dumb as rocks...you can do anything you want to them and they'll accept it.
  • solidcube, on 07/17/2008, -3/+27Digg this! This needs to be investigated, along with the murders of Paul Wellstone and Mel Carnahan. It's just one of the string of high-treason felonies that this government is guilty of. These men need to be tried for war crimes and the domestic crime of first degree murder, repeated many times over.
    • CrazedLeper, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7Unfortunately, they knew enough to wait until they had corrupted all the agencies that would be charged with investigating and prosecuting them. There will be no trial.
      • solidcube, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1We'll have to see about that. This is never going to be over. There are shouts overseas-- increasingly loud shouts-- to have them tried at international war crimes tribunals. If that happens they will have no prayer because their crimes are cut and dried.
  • Naieve, on 07/17/2008, -19/+3Wow, what a bunch of tools you guys are. Inside Job?

    Funny thing is that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    You see the anthrax was made up of many different strains, including a strain that was far in advance of anything the USA or USSR ever made. We moved on to synthetic chemical weapons because it was cheaper considering our industrialized society.

    I would mention a Biological Weapons Convention in the UK in the 80's and the name of the only participatory country that continued research on Anthrax, but you guys are tools. Go do your own damn research, then make up some lame excuse about a SpecOps raid by Bush to steal it and attack Americans with it. That should fit right in with these comments.
    • theviceroy, on 07/17/2008, -2/+9you are a naive child awash in ignorance.

      We never stopped developing anthrax -- and it wasn't very special stuff anyway that was involved in the attacks... I don't know where you are getting this "more advanced than US/USSR" ***** from? Its utter rubbish, no country weaponized anthrax to a more virulent and contagious degree than the US and the Soviets. Russia actually still had biological warfare labs up and running like 6 years ago (but I guess you've never watched Frontline..).

      And we (America) still have bioweapons research going on. You are really really stupid to think that we don't.
  • RationalXubrnce, on 07/17/2008, -4/+16 You don't hear about it because it seems the most likely culprit is Dr. Philip M. Zack, a Jewish scientist. That hardly plays as well in the press as the evil Muslim terrorists. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/anthraxsuspect.h ...
  • obliviousfool, on 07/17/2008, -3/+16Research shows that the anthrax originated from a US government lab.

    That's why Maureen Stevens' lawsuit is still ongoing. It hasn't been thrown out. The case has merit.
    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=4786899
    It may go to a jury.
    • EllenO, on 07/17/2008, -3/+0You know as well as I do that that doesn't prove that the White House did it. It just proves that it originated from the US. We all know that people breach our levels of government. The problem with conspiracy theories is that they exist just because some event has vague, generalized connection to someone.
      • obliviousfool, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Oh boy. I was helping to solve the case, not implying that the case lead straight to the White House.

        The strain, the spore count, and the chemical "weaponizing" agents used in the anthrax attacks have shown that the anthrax originated from a US government lab.

        The Maureen Stevens case is a case worth following. That's the only place you'll see any information about weaponized anthrax being made public. You won't get any updates from Dana Perino! You might as well ask your dog.
    • bsmeteronhigh2, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Gosh. Vague is "Santa lives where it snows". The stuff was genetically tested and independent labs say chances are it came from a specific U.S. germ warfare laboratory on a U.S. military base. I guess someone could have gone on base and shopped at the PX and dropped by the lab and not have been noticed wearing the tasteful blue hazardous materials suit. I suspect that happens every day. Yep, it must.
  • kosser, on 07/17/2008, -3/+23because our government did the anthrax scare...they stage almost every single "terrorist" attack through our great CIA
    • ciaran036, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Wasn't it CIA that told us that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?
  • 2bsbc, on 07/17/2008, -2/+13This is why you never let the fox guard the hen house.
  • j.carcinogen, on 07/17/2008, -3/+15Weren't all of the Congressmen that were sent the anthrax democrats?
    • strafefire, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Yes, and reporters and personalities who desented or warned about what the patriot act does.
  • mrzack, on 07/17/2008, -2/+27OMG, it's so obvious. It was an INSIDE JOB. Middle eastern terrorists don't have access to high grade laboratory anthrax.
    • blackmesa, on 07/17/2008, -3/+1Depends what you mean by "inside job". "Middle eastern terrorists" don't have the labs, but the US does. It has plenty. It's not inconceivable that a terrorist organisation would have the requisite funds to purchase anthrax from a US (or European) lab. They don't need to make it themselves, all they need is access to a sympathetic (or financially strained) lab technician.

      My money would be on a unabomber-type lab tech, but you can't say for sure.
    • CrazedLeper, on 07/17/2008, -1/+12I couldn't see a "middle eastern terrorist" getting a hold of some high-grade anthrax, being able to sneak it into the country and, as the final stage in their grand plan, mailing it to a few congressmen.
    • richmomz, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2It was already confirmed to have originated from Ft. Detrick - I doubt al-Quaeda has a security clearance there...
  • CoreyHalliwell, on 07/17/2008, -2/+10They were just free samples of Carpet Fresh.
    • obliviousfool, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1...sweet, deadly Carpet Fresh.
  • YankeesSuck, on 07/17/2008, -18/+5You people are all paranoid delusionals. It scares me to think that some of you may be allowed to vote.
    • diespectra, on 07/17/2008, -3/+12Same to you pal.
    • YankeesSuck, on 07/17/2008, -6/+1Quite the snappy comeback there kid.
    • InfamousAtheist, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2Congratulations - your attitude means the fascists win.

      Always question what your government tells you. If history has taught you nothing else (you've studied history, right?), at least remember that.
      • YankeesSuck, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1Yes, probably more than you have.
  • hierophantus, on 07/17/2008, -2/+19I still can't belive how everyone has just let this ***** slide. There should have been people at every single Bush rally in 2004 holding big signs saying "Where's Osama?" and "Who Sent the Anthrax?"

    But bringing up such things would have been "unpatiriotic" and "living in the past." Much more important to debate whether John Kerry threw away his war medals, shot himself in the foot, conspired with Jane Fonda to install a communist dictatorship AND preemptively surrendered the War On Terror (TM), or just three out of four.
  • CrazedLeper, on 07/17/2008, -1/+15So they're *this* bad but above doing 9/11 themselves? They are so not. 9/11 was the key to all their ambitions and none of the rest of it could have happened without 9/11 (Katrina might not even have happened had FEMA not been busy building concentration camps). Am I to think that they merely stood back and waited for the "catastrophic and catalyzing event" (according to the PNAC report) which they needed most? No, 'fraid not. The anthrax was traced back to US stockpiles beyond the shadow of a doubt but let denial reign.
    • ciaran036, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Knowing the truth about 9/11 is the key to knowing what is really happening to us. Whether or not the conspiracy theorists claims can be debunked or not, everyone should still call for a new independent investigation. If the conspiracy theorists are wrong, then we can laugh.
      • CrazedLeper, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1The "theories" are not wrong. Kerosene cannot "weaken" construction grade steel in an hour and it is not a laughing matter.
  • battleangel7, on 07/17/2008, -13/+2Rawstory.com=*****.
  • Jareth86, on 07/17/2008, -2/+11Why would they? The only people who were attacked were journalists and democrats, and we all know how much the GOP cares about them.
    Culture of life!
  • gofalcons, on 07/17/2008, -2/+11"Anthrax, OMG, we need to all get vaccinated and support the patriot act/ Iraq war!!! No, don't ask where or how the terrorists got it!!! Just let us rule you and you'll be safe!!" 7 years later..."OMG, you guys are still on that, that's so 7 years ago! Just let that go, thanks to all of our unconstitutional acts, we've saved you all. You're welcome America! Just keep blindly supporting us no matter what and our country will continue to flourish!"
  • sjh0313, on 07/17/2008, -3/+3 I heard Bush is creating a computer game about conspiracies, and he's having the CIA release it right before elections, so none of you all vote. He's making it compatible with most Linux distributions.
    • Hangly, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Are they as good as the Second Revolution mod for Civ4?

      Because that's a blast.
  • thewhits, on 07/17/2008, -2/+3It's so easy to be cynical these days.
    Everyone's so edgy.
    And with all the garbage of the last 7 years, it's no wonder. It's sad to think that this entire decade will have been dominated by this idiot-in-chief.
  • Qtip42, on 07/17/2008, -2/+10Didn't it come out that the anthrax was the U.S. version of it? Basically saying it was a scare tactic by the neocons...?
    • obliviousfool, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Yes. DNA tasting showed it was the Ames strain.

      It also had a spore count which has only ever been achieved by US military labs. Other nations have tried and failed to reach such a spore count. In fact, the US has a black patent on the process.

      It also showed a chemical marker. The US military uses a specific chemical to keep the anthrax from clumping. Keeping the spores powdery and dry makes them a better airborne weapon. This chemical was found in the anthrax.

      If someone had made the anthrax in a homemade lab it probably wouldn't have killed anyone. US military labs have been perfecting this crap for years! You want a tough, light, powdery, deadly, high-spore count weapon. The anthrax used in the attacks was all of those things!
  • enjourni, on 07/17/2008, -2/+13- Don't care where Bin Ladin is
    - Don't care about why we haven't shut down al-Qaeda
    - Don't care about rebuilding the towers

    Hey man, it's all about Iraq now! Screw the 9/11 victims!
    (Reality hits hard: Bush knew about the attacks and intended all along to use it to get to Iraq)
    • arvvvs, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1From the info I gather, CIA knew about an attack, but did not know much about it in general. They knew it would be big. Also the bigger conspiracy is the Saudi gov. I think THEY knew about 9/11 alot more than CIA.
    • richmomz, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2The story was dropped as soon as it was confirmed that the strain originated from the U.S. military at Ft. Detrick. Wonder why...
  • Transporter2000, on 07/17/2008, -2/+2If you were a conspiracy nut, the anthrax scare and subsequent lack of information as to the cause is way more plausible than the gov't plotting the 9/11 attacks. I haven't really thought about it. Been too busy with iPhones, Brittany's sister having a baby, and "So You Think You Can Dance?", LOL
  • theviceroy, on 07/17/2008, -1/+7The CIA most likely pulled off the anthrax attacks. There is documentation showing they had "role-played" the exact same scenario that turned out happening. Hell, in the 60's they even covertly pumped a (non-dangerous) bacterial agent into the air system of the FBI Headquarters just to see if they could do it.
    • richmomz, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1It's already been confirmed that it came from Ft. Detrick.
  • toetagger, on 07/17/2008, -2/+10Look... anyone who can't see this administration is responsible for it believes in ***** santa claus comes down their chimney. Grow up kiddies.
  • bacchante, on 07/17/2008, -3/+2I hope McCain wins and continues ***** the country up more than Bush. This country deserves the pile of ***** it gets

    Obama offers a bunch of hope and *****. Maybe he'll deliver, he probably won't.

    But we know the truth, we don't even deserve a fraction of what's promised.

    America and Reconciliation with one's past are just about as polar opposites as you can get.

    It's not only too late to learn that lesson, we can be pretty confident we're never going to learn it.

    You'll be cheering your son off to the next war while Jack Abramof gets out in 2 years or less for probation. If Bush doesn't pardon him on his way out, which he probably will.

    America's one lesson to the world - be a dick and keep ***** like there's no tomorrow.


    • kieranmaine, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1I won't want McCain to win, but the rest is spot on.
    • u8muhrice, on 07/17/2008, -0/+0dude you dont know how right you are. Everyone believes Obama is the answer, but he's not. He is definitely a better candidate then McCain.

      America has dug itself a hole because of Bush and Obama makes promises to stop sending troop and to stop this war in Iraq, but WRONG. He is a liar and he will continue it
  • pixelguru, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4Quick, everyone go out quick and buy plastic sheeting and duck tape!... remember that? Fear was used as a weapon against the American people by our own government. How is that not terrorism?
  • jabab, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Watch The Energy Non-Crisis http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697 ... if you want possbile and plausable answers to a lot of questions.
  • forgottenhope, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4Do peole here understand what is involved in manufactoring anthrax, how many facilities in the world are capable? And then the handle it and package it and send it out.

    It was military grade anthrax.

    The idea of america, land of the free home of the brave, by the people for the people, has run its course. America has run its course, it is now the country everyone fears because we attack and kill hundreds of thousands of people and make up the evidence.
    • richmomz, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2It was also confirmed to have originated from the U.S. Military, specifically a strain developed at Ft. Detrick.
  • willynilly, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4What no one talks about is the ***** of people they put on obscene regimens of Cipro, which was just slapped with a black-box warning for destroying people's tendons. If I recall, instead of the normal seven-day regimen, these people were put on SIXTY-DAY regimens for no reason. Talk about ***** for life.

    Oh, and the tendon-destroying tendencies of Cipro and other quinolones? KNOWN FOR YEARS. But it took a lawsuit to get a warning on this ***** THIS MONTH.

    http://www.webmd.com/news/20080708/fda-warning-cip ...

    That's the FDA and the drug companies.
    • PicklesNCheese, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Thank you for posting the Cipro link. I agree that the FDA has shoddy methods and a ridiculous lack of oversight. These days I feel that I have to remain as informed as possible to counteract the tendency of some doctors to recommend drugs on the basis of what gets them perks from the pharmaceutical companies.
  • Shoebox639, on 07/17/2008, -2/+4"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it."
    • arvvvs, on 07/17/2008, -4/+1Then to crap with patriotism.
      • caseycoold, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Then GTFO.


        Also, am still waiting for it to deserve it. Maybe parts of it (my local does pretty well).
    • MozzieTS, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2when it deserves it.
    • FredFredrickson, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2BOLD this part: "...when it deserves it."
  • InsideJob11Sep, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2It was another inside job!
  • bbqsalad, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3I hope the sun explodes.
  • Mossman85, on 07/17/2008, -3/+2Ron Paul
  • frenchi, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1how many people died in that anthrax attack?
  • scoottie, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1It was a non story in 2001 and even more now
  • Maximilian000, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1like John McEnroe said "Answer the question, the question, JERK!"
  • ciaran036, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1False flag operations are nothing new.
    Many Spanish are now sceptical that the Madrid Bombings of 2004 may have been an inside job. It was just before a crucial election.
    Originally, a Spanish terrorist group were blamed for it, but just today I read in the news that all of those accused of carrying out the attack were freed. They didn't do it. So guess who the finger is pointed at - Al Queda! Hmmm...
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/europe ...

    I'm sure many people would be shocked to know that no-one has ever been found guilty of the Omagh bombings of 1997 in N.Ireland, which killed 30 people. It emerged in around 2000 that two undercover MI5 double-agents had been working in senior positions of the RIRA at the time of the attack. The RIRA claimed that these men were largely responsible for the attack. This claim fits in - since the RIRA gave several warnings at least 30 minutes before the bomb went off. The police came, but they evacuated the wrong area. The RIRA had not intended to kill anyone.

    HOWEVER, these MI5 agents (one of them was a bomb technical expert) had told their handlers about the bomb plot and when it was going to happen. MI5 let the bomb plot go ahead. It was in their benefit to let it go ahead - a public outcry against the IRA helped to break down their violent campaign against British military occupation (and oppression) - the RIRA called on a ceasefire after the Omagh bomb.
    Some of this information (including sources) are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing

    Guess who else infiltrated the RIRA (Real IRA) before the Omagh bombings? The FBI: http://news.scotsman.com/northernireland/FBI-agent ... (Yes, the American Federal Bureau of Investigation).
    They also knew of the plot and this agent also told his handlers.
    http://saoirse32.blogsome.com/2006/03/04/fbi-agent ...

    I can't say for sure whether FBI or MI5 can take partial blame for planning the bomb attack, but what I can say for sure is that the intelligence agencies KNEW the attack was going to take place and did NOTHING about it. But with evidence of 9/11 being an inside job and now the anthrax attack, who knows?
  • supertater, on 07/17/2008, -1/+0We always get crazy republicans saying "we havent been attacked since 9/11"... if you dont talk about it it didnt happen?
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