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White House Used Forgery to Create Saddam/Al Qaeda Link

thinkprogress.org — A new book by Pullitzer Prize winner Ron Suskind claims that, after the Iraq war began, the White House ordered the CIA to forge a back-dated, handwritten letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein tying Iraq to al Qaeda.

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  • miamidolfan13, on 08/05/2008, -9/+45This is about as surprising as the sun rising in the morning. The sad thing is that no one is ever held accountable.
    http://digg.com/politics/Karl_Rove_the_Architect_o ...
    • Iztikeit, on 08/06/2008, -1/+8Tell us something we don't know. He's just cashing in on the market, and what a big market it is!

      Nancy Pants won't allow anything to happen. Nothing is going to happen, unless a few million Americans get pissed off and "DO" something. I bet nothing happens. Any takers?

    • outstandingclay, on 08/06/2008, -5/+0Here it is in a nutshell. The Democrats won't work; neither will the Republicans. The Democrats have lost touch with morality and the Republicans have abandoned the needy. If this country doesn't become a theocracy based on Christian values, then the it's going down the drain and will be taking the whole world with it. The Republicans have their heels on the throats of Muslims, Africans and other nationalities while the Democrats have their heels on the neck of righteous judgment. Our founding fathers nurtured Christianity, that's what made it prosperous during their time. We've left that and started looking to acquire money so that we can spend it on our lusts. It's failing because Children are dying unjustly in Africa and other countries that can't feed their population. If America doesn't quit all this talk about politics and oil and focus on justice and righteousness, then we're doomed to fail, just like the Roman empire. Even Bush can't save you then!!!!
      Our ministers are preaching prosperity. Look at the buffoonery of their followers. Not even Abraham inherited all of the blessings of Noah nor Adam and Eve. Paul didn’t inherit the blessings of Solomon. What makes us think that we’ll inherit anything …when we take a look at how the apostles died. But American faith says it’s about money! Hah. Many of us can’t look past the tricks. It’s not about Bush and it’s not about Obama and it’s not about the lesser of the evils. Democrats and Republicans have blinded us to a truly righteous cause, life under the rule of God. It worked for the Israelites until that disappointing moment they chose a King. We’re slipping into the toilet because the statue of liberty is blind. And so are many, many, many Americans…blind to what is really the issue.
      • yournightmare, on 08/06/2008, -0/+3Wow, you're kind of a nutcase there buddy.
      • EatSleepJeep, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2yep. ***** crazy. And they're proud of it, too.
      • Chassit, on 08/06/2008, -1/+1Psychosis runs in your family?
    • injest, on 08/06/2008, -2/+1“White House Used Forgery to Create Saddam/Al Qaeda Link”
      Okay why would the Bush admin need to forge a letter to create a link tween Saddam/Al Qaeda?
      The Saddam/Al Qaeda Link had been well established in all levels of Gov and MSM long before 9/11
      Example
      The Guardian
      February 6, 1999

      Saddam link to Bin Laden

      By Julian Borger

      Saddam Hussein's regime has opened talks with Osama bin Laden, bringing closer the threat of a terrorist attack using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, according to US intelligence sources and Iraqi opposition officials.

      The key meeting took place in the Afghan mountains near Kandahar in late December. The Iraqi delegation was led by Farouk Hijazi, Baghdad's ambassador in Turkey and one of Saddam's most powerful secret policemen, who is thought to have offered Bin Laden asylum in Iraq.

      News of the negotiations emerged in a week when the US attorney general, Janet Reno, warned the Senate that a terrorist attack involving weapons of mass destruction was a growing concern. "There's a threat, and it's real," Ms Reno said, adding that such weapons "are being considered for use."

      If I read this right Reno is saying OBL and Saddam are working together and we should expect an attack with WMD’s supplied by Saddam.
      Also note, Reno’s testimony was before the Senate, anyone think that might have established a mental link in people’s heads that perhaps Saddam and OBL were working together?
      This was also in the Guardian, that’s like in the UK

      The claim is the Bush admin did this to Create a Link, why it had already been made.
      Need more? Okay

      Newsweek
      January 11, 1999

      “Saddam and bin Laden have interests -- and enemies -- in common. Both men want US military forces out of Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden has been calling for all-out war on Americans, using as his main pretext Washington's role in bombing and boycotting Iraq. Now bin Laden is engaged in something of a public-relations offensive, having granted recent interviews, one for NEWSWEEK. He says "any American who pays taxes to his government" is a legitimate target”

      need more? Okay how bout Dan Rather, six days after 9/11 (and long before this “letter was ever produced) on the David Letterman show


      Consider that six days after 9/11 Dan Rather on the The David Letterman Show and claimed he believed Saddam was behind 9/11
      RATHER: President Bush made what I think is his strongest statement yet when he went to the Pentagon this afternoon. He was Giuliani-esque -- I don't think he would mind me saying that, no. He looked the camera straight in the eye -- unblinking -- and said "Osama Dead or Alive."

      [Audience applause]
      RATHER: And with what we're dealing with here, which is not one man [Bin Laden], it's a hydra-headed operation that's in 55 countries around the world. Now granted, the focus is on, and we should understand, not just Afghanistan -- Afghanistan, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Libya.
      (did ya get that six days after 9/11, Rather names among others, Iraq! Why?)


      LETTERMAN: Why?
      RATHER: Who can explain madmen, and who can explain evil.
      RATHER: Saddam Hussein, if he isn't connect to this, he's connected to any other things. He's part of this 'Hate America' thing. You have to understand, Saddam Hussein is somebody I have sat this close, eye to eye.
      (kinda sorta sounds like Dan thinks Saddam’s got something to do with it)

      Am I the only one who thinks that might have put the idea that Saddam and OBL are working together?
      • injest, on 08/06/2008, -1/+0Here’s another question, if the Bush admin made this fake letter why didn’t they use it?
    • Balt, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2As Jack Cafferty stated today on CNN's 'The Situation Room', all the china could be stolen from the White House and Nancy Pelosi and her gang would let them walk out the back door. Both sides are just as corrupt and unfortunately too many sheep in this country just re-elect this fools every time. The country is sinking in quicksand, gas prices are sky-high, the economy is in a tailspin, and the mortgage crisis is making matters worse. Yet congress decides its time for vacation so they simply walk out only to come back in September for 15 days. What will they do in those days? Nothing, just like they've done all year. Then they wonder why they have a lower percentage of approval by the country than Bush does. They lied to get into office and now we pay the price. We need to get a third party to bring some change about. The two party system is dead.
      • Iztikeit, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Nancy Pelosi is just as bad as Bush, no?
  • SSIV, on 08/05/2008, -9/+12It's as miamidolfan13 says, this is something that was clear from the beginning. USA simply loves to provoke wars.
    • GRTWHT, on 08/05/2008, -3/+4"Reply" - there for a reason.
    • secrity, on 08/05/2008, -3/+4Over half of the American voters didn't vote for this war monger. It is Bush and his supporters who love to provoke wars.
      • neognostic, on 08/05/2008, -3/+5Actually less than that. Only about 20-22% of those eligible to vote, marked their ballot for Bush. Apathy won, and America lost.
      • Zarchon, on 08/06/2008, -2/+3Bush received 50.73 percent of the vote. That is over half. Sorry to rain on your parade. As for apathy winning and America losing, there were only 2 true choices and rather 100 million people voted or just 3, the results are the same. Just because they aren't the results you wanted too bad.
    • Lamadave222, on 08/06/2008, -2/+4How did we "provoke" Poland and Pearl Harbor, How did we "provoke" the invasion of South Korea? How did we "provoke" the invasion of Kuwait? Truman, a Democrat, dropped the bomb; Kennedy, a Democrat, tried to invade Cuba; Johnson was responsible for the huge build up of troops in Vietnam; Darfur is an Islamist driven genocide that we have done nothing about. All in all, it seems that the Democrats are more warmongering than Republicans if you take a longer view. Of course there was that Republican guy who provoked the Civil War and indirectly freed all the slaves posthumously.
      • yournightmare, on 08/06/2008, -2/+2I don't consider it "warmongering" when a country goes to war for a legitimate reason. Big difference between the first Iraq war, Vietnam, or WWII and the current war in Iraq. And Kennedy didn't try to invade Cuba, either.
      • psyclonic, on 08/06/2008, -1/+2To answer your questions, read William Engdahl - start here

        http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/History/Oil_ ...
      • phoenixshard, on 08/06/2008, -1/+2"Big difference between the first Iraq war, Vietnam, or WWII and the current war in Iraq. And Kennedy didn't try to invade Cuba, either."

        You're right about WW II and Operation Desert Storm, but you might want to look back about the start of Vietnam, that was a place we had no business going into either. Kennedy did try to invade Cuba too, you might want to read about the Bay of Pigs invasion.
  • dubious1, on 08/05/2008, -11/+22We don't need a "Truth Commission," we need a "War Crimes Tribunal." Bush and his minions (esp. Chaney) must be held accountable for his myiad violations of the U.S. Constitution and International law.
  • HalleBurton, on 08/05/2008, -8/+11Our we seeing a pattern here, yet, of the 'fixing the facts around the policy?' In addition to this are Rumsfeld's notes from 9/11 about gathering all 'info on SH, related or not,' Bush's idea of antagonizing Saddam with a military aircraft painted to look like a UN plane, Cheney's suggestion to build boats and dress sailors to masquerade as Iranians, or using forged Nigerian documents to push the nuclear fear button? And, this is by no means a comprehensive list.
    • HumanCattle, on 08/06/2008, -0/+3ARE and OUR are two different words dammit !
      • HalleBurton, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1You're right. I saw that after the editing period ended. I am so ashamed. Please forgive me.
  • FairNUnBalanced, on 08/05/2008, -8/+8Next in the pattern is indignantly deny, then attempt to discredit the messenger.
    • caramba420, on 08/06/2008, -6/+2ThinkProgress liberal spam. Buried.
    • caramba420, on 08/06/2008, -4/+1Something is telling me people aren't getting my ironic humor.
    • bmilliot, on 08/06/2008, -0/+0And if forced to testify, simply "don't recall".
  • hawkeye17, on 08/05/2008, -8/+3Bush is going to have one helluva "legacy". Add 'forger' to the list of disgraceful actions taken by that pathetic excuse for a human being.
    • radiofrequency, on 08/06/2008, -2/+4And yet still not a single actual indictment or guilty verdict from a court. Is it because the accusations are false or because the democrats are too dickless to do anything about it?
      • fluoro, on 08/06/2008, -4/+1It's because the Democrats are afraid to rock the boat, because they feel so confident that they'll win the White House if they just stay on the current course. If they go for an impeachment and somehow fail, they think it'll cost them the White House.

        I'm not really sure why they think that. When Clinton was impeached it didn't hurt the Republicans' chances at the White House so badly, since they obviously got it.
  • DaviDTC, on 08/06/2008, -6/+7This is the about 3rd time this has been on the front page TODAY!
    • caramba420, on 08/06/2008, -6/+0Just because you closed your browser window and opened it again later does not mean this is a duplicate submission.
    • denizen42, on 08/06/2008, -3/+1Woot!
    • Reynardine, on 08/06/2008, -2/+0It's been Digged three times for a good reason: the accuser just wrote *an entire book backing up his findings* that hit publication today. Not a good day for the Bush white house.
  • davidwasman, on 08/06/2008, -8/+7ok, I am all for exposing this administration's lies and deceit, but this is the 4th time in less than 2 days this has made the front page.

    Do you people ever go past page 1?
  • mogebier, on 08/06/2008, -16/+10And all of the lefty diggers will eat this info up. They love to drink at the trough of the dems. They can't wait to see if anything this guy says is true or not, they jump on it because it's bad things about Bush.
    If it were bad things about Pelosi or Gore it wouldn't even make the front page.
    You people are amazingly partisan and closed-minded. Admit it.
    • daviscoe, on 08/06/2008, -8/+10The later discredited article about Gore's (fictionalized) personal energy use made the front page about a month or so ago. Other like items have done the same. From what I can see here, the comments so far have been reasoned, intelligent and more importantly, mostly REFERENCED. I suspect most Diggers have beyond a high-school education, so you're in a room full of people who, while they happen to agree, are more likely to think for themselves. Facts have a distinctly left-wing bias, and I can see that pisses you off to no end.
      • mogebier, on 08/06/2008, -3/+7Look at the comments every time an Obama and Bush story comes up and try to convince yourself that Diggers all think for themselves. Most of them march to the same lock-step.
      • bunit03057, on 08/06/2008, -1/+3Facts are unbiased, and yea it pisses most "objective" people off when anyone says that. Facts and often opinions do NOT follow party lines, only some people do, (like you).
        Although, when people like you say that, it's quite clear that you are at least openly biased.
      • mikemx7f, on 08/06/2008, -1/+0"'objective' people"

        Seriously? Objectivity is a myth.
    • lazyfisherman, on 08/06/2008, -5/+2You are amazingly partisan and closed-minded. Admit it.
    • hockeyplayer66, on 08/06/2008, -3/+1You fail to note that Gore and Pelosi are individuals, one who hasn't been in the Government for 8 years. This is representative of the entire executive branch of the government of which Bush is the top of the pyramid and therefore should be held responsible (or is irresponsible if he 'didn't recall'). We the independents with swing this election. Behavior such as this is reprehensible regardless of if it come from the Dems or Repubs.
      • mogebier, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1The so-called "independents" always decide the elections. 14% of the people decide who is to be in Govt. It has been like that forever. The only problem I have with "independents" is the fact they have no real views on anything and tend to change on the drop of a hat or if the wind blows.
        The wishy-washy waffle people have the true power.
      • hockeyplayer66, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Even though you state it as such, thats not a fact, that is your opinion.

        I have very concrete views on a lot of things. Some are conservative and some are liberal and some are a mix. I'm too smart to believe that one side has the answer for everything. The best answer to most questions is a combination of both sides. Just because I might agree with McCain on one thing doesn't mean I have to agree with him on everything and vice versa with Obama. When it comes down to it most people have some hell bent opinion on one or two issues and don't look much past those to see where their candidate stands across the board. So they lump everything together and you end up with "Well if [insert name here] said it, it must be wrong" Then they end up voting all dem or all repub even though it doesn't really represent what they truly believe.
  • StopTheLie, on 08/06/2008, -4/+9Project For a New American Century (PNAC) "Rebuilding America's Defenses" page 26, September 2000 (1 year prior to 9/11)

    "In the Persian Gulf region, the presence of American forces, along with British and French units, has become a semipermanent fact of life.

    Though the immediate mission of those forces is to enforce the no-fly zones over northern and southern Iraq, they represent the long-term commitment of the United States and its
    major allies to a region of vital importance. Indeed, the United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security.

    While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

    And from page 63:

    "...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
    • omegaant, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1
      whoa! okay, I went to scribd.com - pages 26 and 63 of the above document and did not find either quote, or anything remotely like them on either page... are you sure about the title of the doc?
      • StopTheLie, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2I'm referencing the PDF page number of the "Rebuilding America's Defenses Report.". You can find a copy of the document here: http://tree3.com/rebuilding.pdf
      • omegaant, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Sorry - I want to believe, but your quotes are not on the pages you mention... Where are they?
      • StopTheLie, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Try using the PDF search feature. (Like this: http://tree3.com/Video/pnacquote.wmv )
      • Caffeinate, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Clearly Omega can't find a fact unless it is handed to him. It is a common condition lately on Digg, but I guess we have to try to help them anyway.
  • radiofrequency, on 08/06/2008, -4/+8An author writes a fictional account based on corroboration from sources with no access to insider information. If there is any merit whatsoever to these claims, why isn't the administration being indicted in an actual, real court of law?

    What about all those accusations that flew around in McClellan's book? Wasn't congress going to subpoena him for testimony? What happened to that "evidence"? STILL no indictment? Still nothing to encourage Nancy Pelosi to come back from vacation and whip out the hammer of justice on the "evil" Bush administration?
    • JinnRikki, on 08/06/2008, -2/+1There are taped interviews with people who were insiders, this one has legs. There will be indictments after the election there is just to much on bush co now to ignore.
      • sneaker98, on 08/06/2008, -1/+0No, there won't be. I'm sorry, but he'll walk free for the rest of his life.

        It's a sad state of affairs, but that's the way it is.
    • bmilliot, on 08/06/2008, -0/+0Indictments from the Bush DOJ?

      Subpoenas that are regularly ignored?

      That's right, they have nothing to hide, but are constantly yelling "executive privilege!"

      Despite your trying to obfuscate the facts that are coming out about this administration's laundry list of crimes, the truth will come out and people will be prosecuted. High crimes have been committed, thousands have died as a result. Many in this administration should be facing capital punishment.

  • mustardapple, on 08/06/2008, -5/+1NO RLY?
  • nuentendu, on 08/06/2008, -4/+2In the words of Immortal Technique:

    "This is the last time that I kneel and pray to the sky, 'cause almost everything that I was always ever told was a lie."
  • alphadog, on 08/06/2008, -8/+9Can we hold Bush accountable for this one?
    Bring on Impeachment!!!
    • radiofrequency, on 08/06/2008, -8/+6I wish you would. Otherwise, it looks like more lying and America-hating from the lefties.
      • xenuxenuts, on 08/06/2008, -7/+4The left doesn't hate America any more than the right does.
      • radiofrequency, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1"The left doesn't hate America any more than the right does."

        Your candidate spent 20 years in this church:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2FCJ7zWEQ

        It may not matter to you, it matters to me. Even if I was right on board with Senator Obama on policy, I don't want somebody who exposed himself - and his young children - to this kind of hatred running for the office of President.
    • caramba420, on 08/06/2008, -4/+0Unfortunately, the one thing that could get him impeached requires a functional penis.
  • Naieve, on 08/06/2008, -2/+8Besides this being the 5th duplicate, you should read the part where the guy trying to sell a book says "allegedly ordered".

    I'm sure money of course had nothing to do with this though, right?

    Cause we all know what sterling pillars of trust the media is, just look at Dan Rather.
  • seldon21, on 08/06/2008, -4/+4Let's hear the tapes of these guys talking. Let's make this as clear as possible. The truth is out there, but the people in power haven't got the balls to stand up and scream. Kick Nancy out as Speaker and get Harry gone. Put someone in a position of power to do the right thing NOW! "Ba Ram U", "Ba Ram U"!!!!! Wake up!
  • FlaNative, on 08/06/2008, -4/+3"White House Used Forgery to Create Saddam/Al Qaeda Link"

    Hey, it worked in the Florida 2000 election....
    Every military member who gave a military base as their home address (as in deployed) had their vote discarded in 2000 and 2004..
  • almk, on 08/06/2008, -4/+3Wow, I had been ignoring these stories all day because they are all posted on leftist blogs, but then I bit and red this one. I kind of trust Suskind, so now I don't know what to think. I mean, I actually want to believe that the Bush Administration DID try to forge something, if only to give more ammo in the fight for impeachment.
    • heliox, on 08/06/2008, -1/+3The epitome of the Liberal argument:

      From the dolt above:
      "I actually want to believe that the Bush Administration DID try to forge something, if only to give more ammo in the fight for impeachment."

      You want to "BELIEVE" so people have "ammo in the fight for impeachment".
      You don't care about facts. You don't care if the hearsay is real, you just want to rationalize.
      • almk, on 08/06/2008, -2/+1No. I just want something that Bush can't lie his way out of, or make someone else take the fall for, and then pardon.
  • crackberri, on 08/06/2008, -3/+9Ron Suskind is an idiot.
    • scdicks, on 08/06/2008, -0/+3seriously. who's word are we supposed to believe. for all i know, some disgruntled CIA folks are getting retribution at W. without the facts, we're just guessing
  • JonyMill, on 08/06/2008, -7/+2Bush hides the facts guys

  • LukasSmith, on 08/06/2008, -4/+9Oh my God some guy never heard of just released a book you have never read. SO it must be TRUE!! Only on digg.com. Kinda reminds me of the Scott McClellen book. Digg.com users made such a big deal about that and the book was basically pointless.
    • JinnRikki, on 08/06/2008, -3/+3Never heard of Ron Suskind? That says a lot about you. Here's a tip, you won't find him on the sports page or the comics section, doh!
    • dubfunk, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2Ever heard of the word "Pulitzer?" Google it, you dolt.
    • yellowcakewalk, on 08/06/2008, -2/+2@lukass: You really never heard of Pulitzer-prize winning journalist and author Ron Suskind? Good lord. I've already read the book. You might consider having mommy read it to YOU, so you'd come off as a little less ignorant.
  • Lamadave222, on 08/06/2008, -10/+6Barack Obama is an Arab-American, apostate Muslim socialist and has so little African Negro blood in him that he is eligible to be a member of the Cherokee nation. People (read Ron Suskind) trembled at the possibility of W having messianic beliefs but somehow an Islamic mole as President of the United States does not seem to phase them in the least. Remember our Saudi pilot friends were here as students and seemed to be assimilated into American culture in what was an obvious cover for their heinous plan. Whether Obama is an empty suit, incredibly naive or simply possessed by such hubris that he does not consider the consequences of his half-baked plans is immaterial to me, any and all are enough for me to reason that he should not be President. I think Obama's personality is closer to Bush's than McCain's; so while the communist front known as the mainstream press tries to tie John and George together at the hip, it would be just as legitimate to tie Bush and Obama together as similarly flawed personalities.
    • thirdeyeopen666, on 08/06/2008, -2/+2Barack Obama doesn't even have any Arab blood in his lineage.
      • phoenixshard, on 08/06/2008, -2/+1Shhh, you're spoiling his fantasy racist rant and it might make him lose his tinfoil hat and I'll be unable to find the tinfoil at the store again.

        @Lamadave
        Try an armadillo hat instead, they work better.
    • bmilliot, on 08/06/2008, -0/+0I've heard there are people out there like you, but didn't actually believe it until now.

      Someone living in so much fear, someone so scared for their lives by threats that don't actually exist that they have to cling to outright lies to try and bring down that which they fear, or have been told they should fear.

      Sadly pathetic really and not a very good representative for the "land of the brave".
  • krnldmp, on 08/06/2008, -3/+2The real terrorists want you to think that USA is so weak that its main financial centers can be erased by a few box cutter weilding Saudis in a couple passenger jets. The new ones are being built in Dubai.
    • krnldmp, on 08/06/2008, -1/+1Eat it punks. The whole thing was a LIE.
  • mach32, on 08/06/2008, -4/+8diggdolts suckered again.
  • JHB800, on 08/06/2008, -4/+10My question is this: where's the proof? Any shmuck that can string a few sentences together could claim that anyone did pretty much anything. In all of the stories I've read about this guy and his book, from both sides of the ideological spectrum, not one has identified any proof that the author gives for his assertion. If he has proof, he should show it, otherwise, he's just lying through his teeth.
    • krnldmp, on 08/06/2008, -9/+2I like how some people are asking for proof now when they didn't give a good goddam about proof when the president was telling The Greatest Pack of Lies the world has ever seen swindle USA .
      • JHB800, on 08/06/2008, -0/+5There was proof at that time, corroborated by multiple intelligence agencies across the world. Every major intelligence agency thought that Saddam had WMD's, because thats what he wanted them to think. They were fooled, but that doesn't mean that Bush lied.

        I ask again, where is Suskind's proof for this? Why does he claim this letter was forged to start the war when the war started in March and the letter did not surface until December? Why does he claim that the CIA forged this for Bush when, at that time, the CIA was as adversarial towards Bush as the current democratic leadership? Why does he ignore the fact that the White House found this letter so incredibly suspect and misleading that, when asked about it, all they could do was laugh?

        Suskind is a sensationalist prick doing this to get publicity for his book.
  • WriterinSac, on 08/06/2008, -5/+2It's so sad that the commenters here aren't outraged that 4442 American citizens have sacrificed their lives for this lie(s)! We get all patriotic when someone bombs us, yet we just yawn when we have war criminals sitting in the White House, eating their cake--on our money. WAKE UP AND GET OFF THE COUCH AND INTO THE STREETS, PEOPLE! That's what true patriots do.
  • vexingmodstwo, on 08/06/2008, -3/+9Some dude claims he gave Obama a blowjob... Should I believe him? It was on the internet. He even gave a press conference.

    Personally, I think that guy is just as full of ***** as Suskind. But I'm willing to reconsider it if you think we should take everyone at their word without, you know.. evidence?
  • RealHyperX, on 08/06/2008, -6/+9100% of digg anti-Bush stories are leftist propaganda. Amazing how this rubbish hits digg.
  • monsieurpwn, on 08/06/2008, -3/+1http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847 ...
  • waggdogg, on 08/06/2008, -2/+8These are the people who believe the twin towers was an inside job.
    • akchrs, on 08/06/2008, -1/+7and that we never walked on the moon, the Loch Ness monster, and bigfoot.
    • krnldmp, on 08/06/2008, -6/+1It takes a lot of blind faith and a little stupidity to believe it wasn't.
  • Reynardine, on 08/06/2008, -4/+3Ron Suskind is not a "nobody" without evidence to back his claims, he's a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist.
    And this story is by no means exclusive to Think Progress. Suskind's new book came out today, it's been on all the major news networks.

    Suskind published the first stories on the inner workings of the BushCo whitehouse in Esquire. His reporting grew more and more critical over time, and in "The Price of Loyalty", 2004 claimed Bush planned the invasion of Iraq before 9/11:

    "Among the many claims in the book, which drew from numerous sources and more than 19,000 internal government documents, was that the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and the U.S. occupation of Iraq was planned from Bush's first U.S. National Security Council meeting in January 2001"

    As far as I can tell, his reporting's been well ahead of the curve. This allegation seems to have plenty of meat on the bones.
    • VBDon, on 08/06/2008, -1/+2Suskind has been an ultra-left propagandist throughout his career. Pulitzer prizes are usually given to left-wing writers for glorifying socialist ideas. Now he's using it to cash in on the gullible.
  • scoottie, on 08/06/2008, -1/+4this is like the 100th time this same lame story has been posted today
  • Pake, on 08/06/2008, -2/+3So we have one story today saying they attempted and now we have another story that says they used... Thinkprogress.com just as bad as Fox News, but caters to the Huffingtonpost crowd. Personally, I like avoiding heavily bias media, because it removes McCain votes the ability to attack me when I tell them I support Obama.
  • goon5000, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1The U.N. is a great idea, whenever people hear about people being tortured or held down by the man, everyone should go to the UN and the UN should fix it, but when Dictators take over countries using mafia tactics, torture and murder TBD amounts of people, and that country's UN peers decide to put a stop to it after said Dictators told the UN to piss off, that's bad because then America gets involved. We Suck!

    Free Tibet, but don't let one American be involved except us protesters (we get the credit for the bust), save Darfur but don't use our military AGAINST THEIR WEAPONS OF GENECIDE. Get a life.
  • Optyx, on 08/06/2008, -1/+2This guy is a cook unless he can show anything to back up the ***** in his book then all he has is another leftist outlandish bash piece. Seriously stop publishing *****.
    • dubfunk, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Have you read the book? Tell me the truth!
  • Roger_Ramjet, on 08/06/2008, -2/+3HEAVY emphasis on the word "claimed." burried as inaccurate.
  • Bastet62, on 08/06/2008, -1/+2Whether this happened or didn't happen, what's interesting is that because so many crimes have been committed by the Bush cabal that no one's surprised anymore by what is possible for these people to commit. Enough so that a publisher would release this book knowing that it will be a money maker. So, whether or not the info in Suskind's book is legitimate, it does not change the fact that so many people have no doubt as to whether or not those in power would sink to such a level when the things they admit to are so egregious - torture for example, not to mention the amazing amount of information in the 35 articles of impeachment, all of which is well documented FACT, among many, many other instances of incredible lunacy by the Bush government AND the democrats for continuing to look the other way! This is what happens to despotic governments - people will think they are capable of anything as long as they are never publicly held to account for their crimes.
  • blacklilyninja, on 08/06/2008, -1/+5so... can we charge bush's administration with war crimes and war profiteering yet?
  • MedicDave29, on 08/06/2008, -4/+1Buried for assumptions made and buried for citing the Huffington Post rag.
  • UniqueJewelry, on 08/06/2008, -1/+2was there ever any doubt...
  • LoneRanger85, on 08/06/2008, -2/+1Everyone this guy talks about in this piece of fiction says he never contacted them. Another piece of liberal trash.

    "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." - Thomas Paine
  • Chip53, on 08/06/2008, -1/+1Total ***** and buried as inaccurate.
  • TheSwashbuckler, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1I see the GOP burial contingent is out in full force today...
  • DCMacHead, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Given Obama's forged certificate of live birth, I wouldn't be throwing stones in the glass house of forgery.
  • professorai, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1I recall that there was a break-in at the Nigerian Embassy in Rome, to steal official letterhead, in January 2001, 9 months before 9/11. This stationary was then used for the forged documents about the Yellow Cake Uranium deal with which Colin Powell committed Political HaraKiri in front of the UN. (If he hadn't, he would be the obvious republican nominee against Obama) Subsequently Italian justice dealt with various agents of CIA and SISMI for their roles.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=com ...
  • look4America, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Can anyone be surprised at what this "president" and "VP" is capable of ??
    Amazing how we let this "president" open his mouth.
  • Caffeinate, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0No one in the Bush Administration wants to do anything remotely good for anyone else unless they get to hurt somebody else in the process. Look at their record, and tell me I'm wrong. Point to *one* good thing they did for someone that didn't end up hurting somebody else 12X worse.
  • DigitalBullet36, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0This should come as no surprise to any educated open-minded liberal who sees the current administration for what it is. This administration has done so many "shady" things that I am not surprised.
  • kigcoopa84, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1your wrong and you are crazy.

    -He signed the plan to bail idiots out of their mortgage.

    - He has given more foreign aid dollars to African and third world countries than any sitting leader for the last eight years.

    -The tax rebate checks were his idea; something Obama is trying to do to get elected

    - He has sacrificed his reputation to stand behind something he believes in and thinks it right, does not matter if you agree with it or not.

    I am by no means saying he is a good president or the smartest guy ever, but the far left will do and say anything possible to paint him as a completely evil man, something you have to be stupid or have something wrong with you to believe. He has been tested more than any other president since ww2. (lets not forget how LBJ kept America out of the war until we got attacked 3 times and Europe was almost conquered) The people who are setting this country back is not George and Chaney (who has been working for Presidents much longer than he has been an "oil man") but you people who have no trust in our leaders or our country. If i was you I would move or just shoot myself.
  • look4America, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0 Puppet Bush and Emperor Cheney has given Bin Laden and his Al Qaeda friends all the bang for there buck. By playing into there hands, this administration has cost over double the American souls lost from blowing up the twin towers. Spent all our treasure and summarily driving the country to its worst debt in history. Oh, and over a million Iraqi citizens dead. Hundreds of thousands maimed and injured service men and all the countless broken lives. All this on a LIE ! Have fun cleaning up this mess put on our children's backs and all there future grandchildren.
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