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- flarn2006, on 10/11/2007, -17/+20omg!
- L4WL3RS34L, on 10/11/2007, -28/+13God? Pfft...
Oh my science! - mrfreeziexp, on 10/10/2007, -6/+2dang it... I hate this but there's nothing I can do to fix this..
- L4WL3RS34L, on 10/11/2007, -28/+13God? Pfft...
- flarn2006, on 10/11/2007, -25/+1arrggh...stupid double comment...finger slipped!
- rakslice, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4http://bash.org/?5300
- Albionshores, on 10/11/2007, -8/+102People believe a police state is when the police stop you from doing things. It is not, it is when everything is allowed to be policed, with the power of stopping you when they so wish.
This IS a police state.- tech42er, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16No wonder the government liked it when NS&A had a monopoly.
- tehpwnrate, on 10/11/2007, -23/+3No, this is overzealous security forces. A police state is where they actually stop you for non-legitimate reasons, without warrants. In our current state, we're trying to overturn a lot of the more abusive authorities through Congressional hearings and elections. There's no evil plan or new world order crap going on... just a heightened sense of power and secrecy, but with little harm being done as long as it is correctly curtailed.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24Why do you think they call it "warrentless wiretapping?"
- OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13[quote]with the power of stopping you when they so wish. [/quote]
Such as if you choose to vote for the "wrong" candidate.
- b1gg33k, on 10/11/2007, -2/+52Frontline is one of the few news shows I trust to be generally accurate and fair. The entire show that this interview was conducted for is available to view on the web site. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/view/
- airwalkery2k, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Crap, and I just read that whole interview. And I'm a slow reader!
- drilldown, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1In general, I wouldn't trust the current govn't to get my underwear washed, so I could work in the morning. 'Nuff said about trust.
- Drull, on 10/11/2007, -13/+5Glad I live in Canada :>
- Clawg, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20Yeah, but someday Canada gets internet access, too.
- fentanyl, on 10/11/2007, -11/+6BTW, Canada has better broadband speeds than the US.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20070626-12481200-bc-us-broadband-1stld.xml - fentanyl, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I got dugg down for stating the truth? Or are you americans jealous? :P
- fentanyl, on 10/11/2007, -11/+6BTW, Canada has better broadband speeds than the US.
- staticx1620, on 10/11/2007, -8/+0No, it's not evil spirits! It's rain! RAIN! Fine, try and kill it.
(clerks reference: http://www.mutantreviewers.com/clerksep1.html) - Pootle4rthur, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13I bet lots of the Canadian internet traffic goes through US hubs
being foreign they're already well within their rights to monitor it, and keep logs of you
It's not all that comforting as when the US behaves like a piece of *****, the rest of the world's governments generally use it as a blue print- outlaw686, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I agree with pootle. this is scary reading stuff like this makes me want to live on some hippy reserve with no internet and power.
Oh and if the NSA is reading this ***** YOU.
- outlaw686, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I agree with pootle. this is scary reading stuff like this makes me want to live on some hippy reserve with no internet and power.
- Clawg, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20Yeah, but someday Canada gets internet access, too.
- acid0426, on 10/11/2007, -4/+27I think Mark Klein might get a little visit by the IRS, FBI, and Secret Service as a result fo this interview.
- ScotchInBox, on 10/11/2007, -12/+10-1 because it's an old story - +2 because it's important people know the "New America"
- Vicujozobenaxod, on 10/11/2007, -25/+3Who cares? This ***** ain't exactly locked up tight, criminals can get a hold of this kind of info on you easily and identity fraud you. Your chances of getting spied upon on are SLIMMER than that!
- ButterBuddha, on 10/11/2007, -5/+51and yet we still elect those who take away our freedoms...
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis- bushisterrorist, on 10/11/2007, -9/+7America is of and for the corporations, doesn't matter who you vote for.
The corporations pick who is on the ballot, and just to make sure they count the votes electronically.
There is no way the corporations can lose.
Bush is a terrorist, war criminal, and horrific liar.
9-11 was an inside job!
Depleted uranium is a weapon of mass destruction!- faskill, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6lol
- nickwebb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Dunno why people think Bush is the cause. Freedoms have been eroding away in this country for the last hundred years, maybe more. I'm only aware of the massive changes that started in the late 1800's / early 1900's.
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but there is a definite pattern: Government seizes more power than the public allows, the public gets pissed, the government slinks back a little, and gets greedy again a decade or two later when it's faded from the public's memory. Over and over.
You could wonder if this is just mankind's greedy nature and thirst for power by each generation of representatives or if it's all carefully planned by an unseen entity(ies). Doesn't really matter.
If you try to guess where the pattern will continue, and look through history, you'll see that things are still going to get far, far worse for another 50 years or more. People are going to have to be starving and dying on a large scale, and have nothing to lose, before they'll force a change.
Until that time, we'll all sit back and watch it happen. Let it happen.
Or move to Canada.
- bushisterrorist, on 10/11/2007, -9/+7America is of and for the corporations, doesn't matter who you vote for.
- ccamen, on 10/11/2007, -31/+3yea, Who cares?
- Randinn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Stay that way ignoramus...
- ShogunWarPig, on 10/11/2007, -8/+7I'm more surprised about the corporations that aren't spying on us, rather than the ones that are.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8And that we see that as "normal" is what's truly scary.
- ShogunWarPig, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Sad isnt it.
- turbomofo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6The US Government IS a corporation
- toxicshok, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3no its not. Corporations are efficient, the US govt is anything but.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Fallacy. If being a corproation was efficient, they wouldn't ever go out of business. Also, corporations are what brought us Enron, the S&L crisis, overinflated payouts from taxpayers to contractors in Iraq, etc.
I'm not saying that government or business are inherently evil: PEOPLE are what make them so. Until you can remove falliable, greedy, or selfish people from the equation (or have structures in place making wrongdoing difficult, easily detected, and harshly punished), you're going to get corruption in every human endeavor.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Fallacy. If being a corproation was efficient, they wouldn't ever go out of business. Also, corporations are what brought us Enron, the S&L crisis, overinflated payouts from taxpayers to contractors in Iraq, etc.
- toxicshok, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3no its not. Corporations are efficient, the US govt is anything but.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8And that we see that as "normal" is what's truly scary.
- jase71ds, on 10/11/2007, -4/+54@ ccamen
"yea, Who cares?"
You should.
We are gliding down a slippery slope just like the people of Germany experienced 75 years ago.
Put a frog in hot water and he will immediately jump out. Put him in warm water and increase the temperature slowly and he will sit complacently and let you boil him.
Erosion of rights is often not instantaneous. It is more often gradual, which makes it more destructive, not less.- outlaw686, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1"Put a frog in hot water and he will immediately jump out. Put him in warm water and increase the temperature slowly and he will sit complacently and let you boil him."
why do i have the urge to try that to see if your right? - fooplex, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1Which is ironic, since we beat the Nazi's largely because of British spying on German communications. Because of that success, the US and Britain have been spying on pretty much everyone ever since.
Old news.
- outlaw686, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1"Put a frog in hot water and he will immediately jump out. Put him in warm water and increase the temperature slowly and he will sit complacently and let you boil him."
- bushisterrorist, on 10/11/2007, -15/+12Corporations are setting us up to be spied upon, looks like we're the only threat to their power.
Microsoft, Apple, AT&T, Cell phone manufacturers
It's too bad the corporations are having trouble controlling information on the Internet.
9-11 was an inside job! wake up- KielKilla, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7That doesn't make any sense. Read what you write.
- bushisterrorist, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0What doesn't make sense?
Corporations forfeit your privacy.
9-11 was an inside job!
Depleted uranium is a weapon of mass destruction!
United States Government are horrific liars!
Federal Reserve prints money out of thin air, and charges the United States Government interest.
Wars are profitable for the bankers.
Cheney and Bush are making a fortune on oil contracts.
Cheney & Bush are terrorists, war criminals, and horrific liars.- soupdawg30, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You are an idiot.
- Yinepuhotep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Dude, even if I agreed with you, I wouldn't be able to tell, because your posts are reading like open mic night at the free association poetry slam.
- bushisterrorist, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0What doesn't make sense?
- mitchjdavis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1hey rosie, missing 'The View'?. So exactly how ignorant are you?
- KielKilla, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7That doesn't make any sense. Read what you write.
- Treason, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3BRB NSA
- en4ian, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8How do we fix it?
- ShogunWarPig, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Duct tape?
- lntrigue, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8ron paul
- smitting, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Hmmm. Maybe the people will rise up some day. But I doubt it.
- outlaw686, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Protest the government..... RAMBO STYLE
- fooplex, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1I think he's saying maybe the traffic analyzer should be outside the room, with the results being handed over to the NSA, rather than the NSA deciding on its own what information it's keeping and what it's throwing out.
We have to spy. That's the only way we're able to keep a step ahead of our enemies. These "secret rooms" are necessary. Maybe there's a better way to do it that's more legal. But we can't just sit and do nothing while these terrorists plan their war against us using our own networks.
Maybe if this guy uses his talents to come up with some solutions to the problem instead of just complaining, then he might get a more favorable response from Congress.
After all, FISA didn't outlaw spying. It simply laid ground rules for it to happen legally. The fourth amendment doesn't outlaw search and seizure. It simply outlines the rules by which they should happen. This spying on the Internet is here to stay. The current way it's being done is considered by many to be illegal, but nobody's coming up with solutions yet, only complaints.
- Crad123, on 10/11/2007, -11/+11Yeah who cares if they start putting cameras in our houses. They just want to make sure that all potential criminals get locked up before they cause serious harm. You have nothing to hide, right?
- goffy59, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2why don't you kill yourself. Also leave my country and stop ruining it with your trash talk.
- Crad123, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4That's the best you can come up with? Your country? HAHAHAH
- Crad123, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3P.S. I was being sarcastic. Do you honestly believe there are Americans who would support video surveillance in their own homes?
- smitting, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I think a lot of people didn't appreciate the humor to such an unfunny subject. I'm still not sure if that's why goffy was pissed off.
I do appreciate the humor though, I don't like completely losing my mind. - misterjangles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That's right Crad123 - it's too soon to laugh. Just wait about 3 days until we've all forgotten about this and then it will be ok.
- Yinepuhotep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Believe it or not, I've MET Americans who would support video surveillance in their own homes. After all, "if you aren't guilty of anything, you have nothing to hide, right?"
Personally, if I caught someone setting up surveillance around MY home, I'd give them a Vitamin Pb injection.
- smitting, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I think a lot of people didn't appreciate the humor to such an unfunny subject. I'm still not sure if that's why goffy was pissed off.
- smitting, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4My iMac already has a camera. So does my cell phone. Even Fox News is reporting that the FBI can enable your cell phone's mic remotely, why not the camera too?
What is goffy59's problem anyway? Do people really get THAT butt-hurt when people criticize gov't surveilance? Is it that they don't believe it's possible? Or they think 1984 would be a great thing? Or that the gov't is altruistic and would never do such a thing? Or my country right-or-wrong? What is it exactly?
I'm not angry by that other reply, I really don't understand the reasoning for such a vile response.
- dowegotproblems, on 10/11/2007, -10/+2In Soviet Russia, splitter splits you...
- computergod, on 10/11/2007, -11/+3This story is so old it has an onion tied to it's belt.
- Elrod, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well, that was the style at the time.
- jennamalia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Wired Magazine's interview with Klein: http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/05/kleininterview
Supporting documents provided by Klein: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/05/mark_klein_docu.html (Of course, there are also many more relevant links on those pages, too). - rodbibeau, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9The first rule of the secret room is
- thefaithful, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0talk about it on the internets
- goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -6/+20For all who say "If I'm not doing anything wrong, why care". Please leave my country you neocon *****. Its people like you who supply power to these criminals in our government. America is going down the rapid hole!
- dupswapdrop, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Hey in the 70's they had one room in DC that all the long distance phone calls in the nation were tapped into and recorded if they thought there was something big going on in one area of the nation they could pull the plug on all long distance calls in and out to keep a lid on things. It's all about controlling people.
- mpeters13, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3I'll save AT&T the time from doing any scouring of its EDGE network. Anyone with the patience to pirate anything on that network deserves the materials being pirated.
- LakeshoreBaby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It's not for capturing pirates. It's for finding out who wants the criminal elite out of power.
- Rabbittt, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2Srsly, just quit using these awful companies..
- obliviousfool, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3They've all been accused of cooperating with the NSA.
- outlaw686, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I'm sorry you don't understand the situation, basically EVERYTHING goes through at&t's networks even in Canada, if i do a trace route, EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH AT&T.
- unitedstatians, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2which other company Can tap any phone line and phone call in the U.S.? Yes, not only the NSA can do that.
Comverse Technology, Inc (NASDAQ: CMVT) based out of New York also goes by the names of their subsidiaries.
Starhome (guess whats the logo symbol ................A David star)
Verint (NASDAQ: VRNT)
Ulticom (NASDAQ: ULCM)
Startel corp
So it is possible a foreign nation in the middle east has access to U.S. phone line databases nation wide and territories? How: Actually Comverse Tech, Inc an Israeli company creates the wire-taping electronics used by NSA and other U.S. Defense Intelligence Agencies they also have a Big contract with AT&T to search "the Americas" phone archives for malicious activity against Israel and in other USA foreign interest areas. Israeli telecomm Companies were implicated in the sale of telephone data which compromised US investigations into drug running. Comverse Technology, Inc. Israeli company phone taps are suspected of being the means by which Bill Clinton's phone sex sessions were recorded, as reported in the Ken Starr Report read it.
Amdocs Limited. another Israeli company taken over by Comverse Technology, headquarters located in Ra'anana, Israel. The company has been investigated many times by FBI and other Gov't Agencies. Within a year, five executives from Comverse were reported to have profited by more than $267 million from "insider trading". Why this is happening?, what actually happened and why.
- damonic, on 10/10/2007, -3/+34No wonder the administration wants PBS shut down...
- ps1locyd3, on 10/10/2007, -6/+4Crad123-"Yeah who cares if they start putting cameras in our houses. They just want to make sure that all potential criminals get locked up before they cause serious harm. You have nothing to hide, right?" ..... I have everything to hide, i don't know about you, but I don't care to have ANYONE looking over my shoulder at what I do. Be serious, cause this is some serious sh!t with VERY serious implications for the lives of all americans. Bet ya didn't know ole GW's grandaddy was a financial backer for the German war machine before he was cut off for dealing with the enemy after Pearl Harbor? now did ya?
- Seefate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2It is sad that people are digging you down ps1locyd3 because your right. People in America really are starting to care less and less about their country. They are becoming so self centered and materialistic that they could give a ***** about what anyone else is doing. As long as they get their Mc Donald's and American Idol they are happy. However they seem to forget that as little as 250 years ago people fought and died to give us these freedoms and now no one seems to care that our government is quietly going down this same path again. The only thing that is different is that it is under the disguise of patriotism's and anyone who says different is "unpatriotic".. Yeah, ignoring the constitution and giving up our rights for safety is real patriotic.
- Pootle4rthur, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7I'm just waiting for the massive neo-con influx of people saying if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to worry about
may I just point out in advance, that today's utterly legal and above board activity or interest can be swiftly turned into tomorrow's illegal and subversive behaviour.
You don't know what you have to hide until someone is looking to pin it on you- thall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"I'm just waiting for the massive neo-con influx of people saying if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to worry about"
Folks from both left and right wing have said that, not just neo-con.
- thall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"I'm just waiting for the massive neo-con influx of people saying if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to worry about"
- JoelHill, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Thank you Mr. Mark Klein for coming forward.
- tastic, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5NSA is up to their old tricks - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_Committee&oldid=143367540
Pick up James Bamford's "The Puzzle Palace" for more... it eerie.
/tinfoilhat- thefaithful, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0F.A.O. Schwartz Jr. is the chief counsel for the committee?
- Jadix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7So lets digg this and then grab some coffee! We'll let someone else handle this.
- Jookly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7That was a great read thanks. Dugg.
- inkhead, on 10/10/2007, -11/+3Seriously I don't know why there is a debate about government snooping. Of course the government snoops on americans, they've done it for years and years, people act shocked like it's some surprise. Everything is monitored. Just assume so. The information is used for government business, they don't care about your phone call or IM about robbing the bank, or hatching that plot to kill your wife. People who they are interested in spying on usually are smart enough to flood their network with as much boring traffic as possible so to keep the government full of false information.
If your worried about what you do on the net (you basically have to be a terrorist for the government to come after you) just flood your network with plenty of boring data.- lrthomp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4"Of course"??
Our government is of the people, for the people, and by the people. American people are spying on each other. Can you be certain they are less interested in you as a terrorist than as a political opponent? Have you said anything publicly that's unpopular? Have you written anything on the Internet objecting to government corruption, incompetence, or policy? Would you feel more or less safe if your name and data were on someone's screen in an NSA site, and this site further split the data signals with other interested parties, such as incumbent politicians and their campaigns?
My tank of trust is on empty, and I don't feel like giving it all to our present government.- srf21c, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Of course everything is monitored. Therefore we should all lay down before the government like good jews/gypsies/homosexuals/insert-despised-minority-here and submit to whatever indignities and outrages these people attempt to force on us. Because that's what a free people with backbone and a modicum of self-respect behave in the face of tryanny.
REMEMBER: We can all be safe in the knowledge that the government would never use any of this information to round up political dissidents during times of crisis. Nor would they ever use it to control other people in govt via threats of blackmail. All they use
- srf21c, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Of course everything is monitored. Therefore we should all lay down before the government like good jews/gypsies/homosexuals/insert-despised-minority-here and submit to whatever indignities and outrages these people attempt to force on us. Because that's what a free people with backbone and a modicum of self-respect behave in the face of tryanny.
- lrthomp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4"Of course"??
- LakeshoreBaby, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7The spying is not for piracy or terrorism. It's for finding out what Americans want the criminal elite out of power.
- generalloy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5The interesting thing about this is that the New York Times was apparently going to publish this story in 2004, around the Presidential Elections. But they delayed publication for an entire year (after Bush got elected, at that). When he says the Los Angeles Times wouldn't touch the story, I believe him after that.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/New_York_Times_admits_it_held_1215.html
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/aug2006/nyti-a22.shtml- mchinsky, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1oh yea, the NY times is in all the republicans camps... snicker...
- LakeshoreBaby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Hey, this just showed up on Digg. AT&T can not respond to allegations of spying because it would violate national security.
http://digg.com/security/In_case_you_weren_t_really_sure_AT_T_really_is_spying_on_you
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=22372 - saxman13ga, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6for those who are blindly saying this is OK; I will use the words of Richard Jackson:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
It goes down to another phrase as well: "If you give an inch, they will take a mile."
Yes, I don't do anything wrong, but does that give them the right to take away my rights as a citizen? No.
And yes, I will risk my safety for freedom. We shouldn't be afraid.- Yinepuhotep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually, it was Ben Franklin, not Richard Jackson.
- hiscity, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2A lot about all this just doesn't add up.
The guy assumes it's the NSA instead of AT&T that uses the JARUS "semantic sifter." All the major internet carriers could be sifting their data streams from their own "secret rooms." If I found something like that in house, I wouldn't assume it's for an outside source.
The level of clearance needed to get into a NSA raw intelligence area is enough to get whoever let them in -- and whoever got in without clearance -- locked up for a long time. Why have a "semantic sifter" in a location with data streams that are encrypted?
If the data streams aren't encrypted, then any old foreign intelligence agency could be tapping into them. As well as organized crime or corporate competitors.
The real problem with any aggregate data stream is unwrapping level after level of multiplex and encoding layers. Takes a lot of technical and human intelligence ... more like what you might find in the FBI.
And why would tracking foreign targets on trips in the US, or foreigners making contacts in the US, or foreigners spying on others in the US, be even remotely considered "domestic surveillance?"
Frankly, the AT&T guy sounds like the typical hyper-paranoid IT security geek, with the typical 60s hippy warp you'd expect to find up around San Francisco. Spend 30 years in that type of mind state, locked away in closed computer rooms ... well, it's got to do a number on your head. No surprise he'd connect random dots and come up with his own worst fears, something like gazing in tea leaves.- unitedstatians, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1N O V E M B E R O S C A R, Y A N K E E O S C A R U N I F O R M R O M E O W H I S K E Y R O M E O O S C A R N O V E M B E R G O L F.
- hiscity, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You wish.
- unitedstatians, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No, your wrong.
- hiscity, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You wish.
- unitedstatians, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1N O V E M B E R O S C A R, Y A N K E E O S C A R U N I F O R M R O M E O W H I S K E Y R O M E O O S C A R N O V E M B E R G O L F.
- Intrinsic48, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
- jaredvolkl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7This disgusts me. Why and how do we as a country stand for this kind of treatment?
- AngryPenguin47, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5Im in ur internetz reading yur mailz!
- brinnt, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1who's to say that it isn't working and an attack(s) has been exposed and stopped before it happens, might look at it differently.
- Yinepuhotep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not good enough. Treating ALL citizens as criminals just because it might make it easier to catch a few criminals is NEVER acceptable - except in the mind of a would-be dictator.
- SevenineO, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13This is a MUST read article! Don't just read the title description and the comments.
- evil-doer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9who the hell would digg this guy down? (it is at the time of me posting this). if thats not reason enough to believe theres government paid people here, what is? who the ***** wants a statement like that hidden?
- outlaw686, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Really even in Canada, I don't think I'm safe, seeing as most, if not all of Canada's traffic goes through the states and Rogers, a major Canadian Telecom company owns 33% of at&t, in fact at one time it was called Rogers at&t.
- plastree, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Is there a proper name for the mental disease these NSA-type people have, besides psychopathy? I really have no clue what compels a mind to surveil and control others. It's a disgusting sickness.
- soupdawg30, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Doing their job. They get paid just like the rest of us.
- plastree, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I don't get paid to violate privacy rights.
- soupdawg30, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1If it was your job you would.
- plastree, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I don't get paid to violate privacy rights.
- Yinepuhotep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The sickness is called "government".
It's the inherent nature of government to treat all its subjects as disposable, interchangeable, "human resources," and to use its powers for controlling those resources as it desires. Government's minions (like the NSA) are merely doing their master's bidding, often in hopes of advancing to the point where they become masters themselves.
- soupdawg30, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Doing their job. They get paid just like the rest of us.
- soupdawg30, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1I have nothing to hide.
- Yinepuhotep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him” -- Cardinal Richelieu
- cluckinchicken, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Just wait till they find your kiddy porn...
- DarkDragon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9NSAT&T:
Your world. Delivered. To the NSA. - jdaniel284, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7It is time to fight back.
- thall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Lead the way!
- digitallysick, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1"They have locations on them, and the documents clearly show the splitter cabinet, which is in the seventh-floor Internet room, is connected down to the secret room on the sixth floor. ..."
see, all we need to do is go here and tear it all apart, to get our freedom back from the government terrorist!- soupdawg30, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Go for it.
- AlanJV, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Lets hope that the mainstream media grows a pair and decides to cover this story.
- thall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Don't hold your breath!
- Yinepuhotep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not bloody likely. The mainstream media might as well be a fourth branch of government.
- growlbear, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8So every iPhone activation gives 2 years of support to the company who sell out the public?
- nakani, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It doesn't just affect AT&T customers. The article states that internet traffic from other major telecoms (such as Qwest) gets routed through and tapped into.
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