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Firefox Reaches 25%

w3counter.com — People are switching to Firefox fast as ever, while IE's share drops every day!

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  • Kinjiru, on 11/06/2007, -45/+283IE..aka Internet exploder

    your time has come.. to DIE :)

    http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8053/mozillabadgely0.png
    • strangewill, on 10/11/2007, -61/+24This number seems kind of skewed, being as most people don't travel to w3, correct? I wish the number was this high.
    • Buckiller, on 10/11/2007, -79/+28This is a global stat... interesting.


      I guess this means more people will try to crack firefox... time to move on. Opera good i hear>?
    • DesignEx, on 10/11/2007, -25/+145I just wish the bugs in firefox would be working out at the same rates it is growing.
    • troymcdavis, on 10/11/2007, -35/+2@dyn06 (#6901281) beat me to it...
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -20/+139W3Counter has a small and very skewed userbase picked up from sitepoint and other webmaster forums, and have no relation to the W3. Come back when a major player like StatCounter, who track stats on a massive and diverse range of websites, releases numbers.
    • rabidstrike, on 10/11/2007, -58/+15firehog resource whore.
      oh how i wished opera had a proper subscription based ad blocker and a quirk mode. i'm stuck with firehog and ie. no matter what people say a web browser shouldn't chronically use 600 megs or ram..

      let the digg down commence.
    • epyon180, on 10/11/2007, -5/+121I love how internet explorer 6.0 usage went up and 7.0 went down compared to 10 days ago.
    • paulmdx, on 10/11/2007, -28/+10"I just wish the bugs in firefox would be working out at the same rates it is growing."

      As Peter Parker would tell you, with great popularity comes great responsibility, or something like that.

      Personally I'm concerned that with increased popularity of FF we'll start seeing the same sort of security attacks that IE suffers from. Of course then we could use Opera. :-)
    • aussieNickuss, on 10/11/2007, -10/+35@ strangewill & fkr3

      It said at the bottom of the page that its based on 31 million requests on 4358 websites. That numbers nothing compared to the overall internet buts a pretty good indication.

      What makes those numbers sound better is by saying that Firefox has 8% greater share than IE7 and is only 50% of IE6' share.
    • strangewill, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17@aussieNickuss:
      Aye I understand, and the growth is nice, just it's easy for these numbers to be skewed, due to who reads my site, we got like a 80% Firefox usage. ;) I'm just saying we're NOT 25% of the market yet, it would be nice, but is not a reality yet.
    • Ligeia, on 10/11/2007, -33/+17Too bad because Opera is so much better.

      :)
    • AKBryant54, on 10/11/2007, -14/+94My entire high school just uninstalled IE and switched to firefox. Interesting because whenever I would install it, they would uninstall it and make me use IE.
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -23/+23@ aussienickus -
      They're picked up from sitepoint/digitalpoint/etc. The number represents what % of people visiting a small group of webmasters' pet projects are using Firefox, which is hardly an accurate measure.

      It's like saying 25% of people are incontinent and need assistance wiping their asses, based on statistics at 4358 nursing homes. Large sample of people, but a completely biased one.
    • 2ndEdition, on 10/11/2007, -16/+5that's just crazy. crazy like a fox.
    • EndersGame, on 10/11/2007, -19/+7"firehog resource whore. oh how i wished opera had a proper subscription based ad blocker and a quirk mode. i'm stuck with firehog and ie. no matter what people say a web browser shouldn't chronically use 600 megs or ram.."

      You are correct, a web browser shouldn't. I have very extreme browsing habits, and I usually leave firefox.exe running for weeks at a time, with up to 100+ tabs open and I am lucky if I reach 400 megs. So basically what I am telling you is either your copy of firefox is borked or you need to rethink your browsing habits. And if you don't like the memory cache, which IS a feature...not something that can easily be fixed, simply turn it off.

      Am I the only one that thinks Firefox is desperately trying to catch up with IE with the numbering scheme? 2.0 really should have been 1.6, there were barely a few changes. And now we are already at 3.0? I guess it can be justified by all the work that is done under the hood but still....it looks like they are trying to reach 7.0 as fast as possible.
    • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -26/+7If IE is dying, I guess iPods are already dead. they have a SMALLER share of their market than IE does, and it is decreasing faster than IE.
    • epyon180, on 10/11/2007, -22/+15@Endersgame

      Don't try to blindly defend firefox. Even us firefox users know that the memory leak is a common problem with firefox.
    • Aupajo, on 10/11/2007, -7/+67I'm running Firefox on OS X in New Zealand. I've got to be one of the smallest groups of statistics available. Go minorities!
    • j0keR, on 10/11/2007, -5/+28It's probably safe to say that Windows Genuine has a lot to do with this number, with needing either a legit copy of Windows or a crack in order to get IE7.
    • gvetterick, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23@Aupajo

      I'm running Firefox on Linux in Australia, my minority may be smaller
    • EndersGame, on 10/11/2007, -10/+40"Don't try to blindly defend firefox. Even us firefox users know that the memory leak is a common problem with firefox."

      Blindly defend? I don't like it taking up as much memory as it does either, all I was saying was I find it hard to believe he got his firefox to reach 600 megs. And since you seem confused I will let my fellow diggers explain it to you:

      "Besides as mentioned above it is a design issue rather than a mistake. It is supposed to absorb large amounts of memory when that memory is sitting ideal (though I've seriously have no issues with it). It certainly isn't a memory leak issue." -GMorgan

      "And don't even get me started saying it's a "memory leak"; 98% of people saying that aren't developers, 1% are developers and are submitting patches, and the other 1% are developers who just want to rain on Mozilla's popularity parade. Here's the deal: Firefox isn't hemorraging memory, period. If it was, we could see it, we've developed tools that allow us to track allocations, reallocations and deallocations of memory. It's not leaking memory, just using a lot of memory to make your browsing a comfortable, fast experience." -geminitojanus

      Rather than just making ***** up off the top of your head or repeating the last ten people before you, why don't you explain to me how you know its a memory leak. I don't think I should hold my breath for this one.
    • ferrofluid, on 10/11/2007, -11/+14@ fkr

      "...which is hardly an accurate measure.

      It's like saying 25% of people are incontinent and need assistance wiping their asses, based on statistics at 4358 nursing homes. Large sample of people, but a completely biased one."

      Over 4000 websites with their visitors tracked, WILL give a reasonably good poll of whats happening out there on the interwebz.
      Giving silly comparisons with nursing homes, wont help IE regain lost users and market share.
      A lot of people detested IE for years, but had to use it until FF was good, and now have gladly moved to FF.
    • PhireN, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11@gvetterick and Aupajo
      I think my firefox on linux in New Zealand beats both of you.
      Minorities FTW
    • srg13, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10"no matter what people say a web browser shouldn't chronically use 600 megs or ram.."

      600 megs? How did you manage that? The biggest I've ever seen was around 300mb on my system. Anyway, who really cares? The only times I use all my memory is using After Effects, and I rarely have any other apps open (except Photoshop)

      "I'm running Firefox on Linux in Australia, my minority may be smaller"
      Same here...
    • themoose, on 10/11/2007, -26/+53I'm going to get dugg down for this one but Opera has no known bugs, never has memory leaks, has more features than Firefox and still manages to not be bloated.
      http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/
      As a web developer the 25% is great news, not specifically because it's firefox but because IE is going down.
    • themoose, on 10/11/2007, -23/+2ok, you can digg this one down (double post).
    • flukes1, on 10/11/2007, -21/+8Firefox blows. The real statistic is nowhere near 25%.
    • pauleric, on 10/11/2007, -7/+45@thamoose: "...Opera has no known bugs, never has memory leaks..."

      Oh Ya,sure. Opera is a nice browser and all, but all non-trivial software has bugs. Even most trivial software has them. If the bugs aren't "known" it's only because nobody's looking for them, and they should be. Now if you said: when security bugs are reported, they fix them more promptly than the other major browsers, then you'd be on safer ground.
    • schoate09, on 10/11/2007, -10/+5Although it's good for Firefox, I think it's skewed, because a good majority of non-geeks don't go to WC3.
    • DryMaltExtract, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4600MB, that's it?

      A co-worker of mine gets firefox over 1GB EVERY day.
    • Chewie67, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10The numbers are skewed. They probably attract a high-tech crowd.

      Here's what TheCounter says:

      http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/May/browser.php

      More like 12%.

      I hope Firefox overtakes IE someday, but we're still a long ways away...
    • cbuddha42, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2I'm amazed that those counters get more than a few people running firefox. I thought most people with firefox had NoScript or some equivalent addon which normally blocks all those things. Maybe this counter just got such a high number of firefox users because of the sites its based on, or maybe it got a higher than average count because of how it works. Most counters seem to use javascript or some such, so firefox's tendency to be more secure than ie may be hurting its numbers. Just a thought; it's probably a combination of the two.
    • johnfn, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4www.ie7.com

      :D
    • ACrazyGerman, on 10/11/2007, -10/+7Wow more people use 2000 then macs thats sad.
    • MrManiac, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7@ Chewie67

      Sorry, but I wouldn't trust that site's counter either. I find it extremely hard to believe that Netscape has 11% of the market share.
    • Zippo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Wow, 9% of the Internet population is still running on 800x600. Good to see that 1280 and higher resolutions are growing in number.
    • NiggaPlease, on 10/11/2007, -14/+8Operating System:

      1 Windows XP 84.47%
      2 Windows 2000 4.28%
      3 Mac OS X 3.87%

      BWAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA MAC = PWNED!!
    • brownzilla, on 10/11/2007, -9/+5more people running windows 98 and then linux??? wow.

      anyways, opera is better and has alway been ahead on features.
    • covert215, on 10/11/2007, -5/+5@akbryant

      You can't uninstall IE (assuming you are using Windows)...Its part of the OS. Without it, no file browser would work.
    • skyfire1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11MEOW!!!!

      http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/firefoxcat.jpg
    • themastersb, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1WTF is Latvia on the countries list?
    • inkswamp, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5> W3Counter has a small and very skewed userbase picked up from sitepoint and
      > other webmaster forums, and have no relation to the W3. Come back when a major
      > player like StatCounter, who track stats on a massive and diverse range of
      > websites, releases numbers.

      Hate to break it to you, but even "major players" in online stats are going to be so skewed as to be almost meaningless when it comes to browser stats, and in general it's going to skew wildly in favor of Windows and IE. Why is that? Think about what most corporate settings use. Most corporations have standardized on Windows and IE in the workplace which means every day, hundreds of thousands of users are online at work during peak hours being counted as "Windows IE" users when, in fact, their preference at home may be Firefox (or Safari or whatever.)

      So even a fair sampling and an accurate counting of browsers is going to paint a picture that may not really say anything about the popularity of a given browser or platform.
    • Disease, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14@Chewie67

      I wanna meet the 12 people using Netscape 1.x
    • doronster195, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1My High School has Internet Explorer and FireFox installed on all their crappy dell computers (that run a pentium 3). I'm still confused as to why they rejected the Apple computer grant... especially considering Steve Jobs graduated from my school.
    • grumpyrain, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2> My entire high school just uninstalled IE and switched to firefox. Interesting because whenever I would install it, they would uninstall it and make me use IE.

      Were you running Windows 98 or something? No techo worth their salt would give you enough permissions to install anything on NT/2K/XP/2003/Vista.
    • bigfkncee, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@akbryant54 (#6901467)
      what a shame
    • hanu4u, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1great news... me too using firefox...
    • Jason4000, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0It always drives me crazy when I hear all kinds of people complain about this so called memory leak issue.
      There was an article earlier on digg about some tweaking in firefox that you can get to in the about:config that gives you an option to put a limit on memory usage. Why don't people just send feedback to mozilla and get them to put an api in the tools options menu that will allow the average user to configure this in their new release. This would take a programmer about 15 minutes or less to add this to the options.
    • Jason4000, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0One other thing...
      for tweaking firefox do a search on google for about:config
      Or check out this link for a few things
      http://windowssecrets.com/comp/041202
    • Konstantino, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Just another interestingly awesome tidbit:
      http://www.ie7.com -- it shows you an mozilla firefox ad.
    • tony23, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@themoose:
      http://www.quirksmode.org/bugreports/archives/opera/index.html
  • metalica77, on 10/11/2007, -37/+11I wana know how W3counter gathers there data first. I use FF myself and i HIGHLY dought that it has reached 25%
    Don't mean to be pecemistic or anything but it's the truth also how would that site know what screen resolution you have?
    • anchorman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+36They can track not just your screen resolution but your IP address, OS version, how many colors your screen is currently showing, time of day you visited, page views, path through website, how long you visited each page.... even where your mouse clicks.

      Check out Google Analytics (formerly Urchin)... it is perhaps the best tracking system available.

    • sinembarg0, on 10/11/2007, -17/+6I wanna know what the hell happened to 1600x1200, and wtf type of OS is Mac PowerPC? I am skeptical of the accuracy of tihs if they can't distinguish between OS and computer type.
    • kris33, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I think it is the older versions of Apple OS, OS1 to OS9.

      The reason why 1600x1200 isn't on the list is probably because it's 4:3 and almost all new high end screens are widescreen now.
    • kevinlyfellow, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Mac PowerPC are Macintosh's that run on the PowerPC cpu (created by IBM/Motorola/Apple Computers). Now Macs use Intel processors. It probably includes OS9, but should also refer to some OS10 that were built for the PowerPC. Looking at the numbers I'm not sure though
    • ferrofluid, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7@ sinembarg0

      1600x1200 or higher is rather 1337 and not normal on LCDs and only used by a few.
      So it isnt going to show up on a top ten list.

    • rick1matthews, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14I run the web site for my Baptist church in central North Carolina, USA, and we have 21% Firefox + 2% Mozilla. This is not exactly a tech-heavy demographic.
    • herrshuster, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1i'm using 1600x1200...best resolution ever
    • nyc2socal, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0I just bought another 20" LCD 1600x1200 before they disappear!! I need that vertical 1200 res, and can't justify moving to a 24" @ 1920x1200. Anything smaller than 24" will only get you to 1050 (e.g. 1680x1050) :(
    • idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -4/+31600x1200? Hah. 1856x1392, biatches. My monitor's not even designed for it but it works.
      But it's CRT.
  • djg38, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16metalica77: JavaScript makes your screen resolution available via screen.width and screen.height. Same as every web tracker gets it. How W3Counter gathers its data is at the bottom of the report.
    • idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Isn't that assuming everyone runs their browser fullscreen? People with high resolutions are less likely to do that.
    • cdmarcus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@idonthack: Actually, it reports your screen resolution, not how big your browser window is.
    • djg38, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2screen.width and screen.height != document.width and document.height
  • jcm267, on 10/11/2007, -37/+3I still prefer Maxthon... let me know when Firefox has the mouse functions of Maxthon and the compatability of IE
    • ander1dw, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Mouse Gestures extension for the "mouse functions," IE Tab or IE View extensions for "compatibility."
    • zabaf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Maxthon is great. It has just as many functions as Firefox, I simply like it more. There's nothing I hate more then a site that requires FireFox. Those ignorant bastards thinking that Firefox is the only browser with tabbed browsing and security...
  • harris2004, on 10/11/2007, -11/+8Hail Firefox!
  • Spaceomega, on 10/11/2007, -22/+19Opera. Looking sad :(
    • paulmdx, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20Opera aren't doing themselves any favours by having point releases listed separately. They would be better off with "Opera 9" instead of 9.0 and 9.1. Look at IE - you don't see "IE 6.0 SP1", etc.
    • cowboy77061, on 10/11/2007, -37/+15I still don't see why people like Firefox. That browser sucks.

      Opera > Firefox > Internet Explorer
    • DrFriendly, on 10/11/2007, -11/+15That actually surprises me. You would think that other parties (besides Firefox) would benefit from "browser awareness". Yet most (non-techie) people I talk to seem to think that this choice they have in browsers is new, and it's either Firefox or IE.

      For me Opera is the ONE. It's fast, feature-packed (I just love using refresh on speed-dial to see whether my favorite websites have been updated), and free (as in beer)!
    • brownspank, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23@cowboy77061: No, browser fanboys suck.
    • Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1@brownspank

      he's used to the page rendering ***** and hasn't figured out how to work the tabs yet...give him time
  • dyn06, on 10/11/2007, -12/+22It's not a skewed number, really, because:

    "This report was generated 05/20/2007 based on the last 31,612,302 unique visits to 4,356 websites." ... not on visits to this single site.
    • SimonGray, on 10/11/2007, -6/+51Of course it is. Tell me, why does Latvia a relatively poor Eastern European country with a population of just over 2 million people do 4% of the total visits, while France, a rich Western European country with over 60 million inhabitants only do 3%? How you can you call this accurate? The US numbers are also very inflated.
    • mesmeriffic, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania have bustling IT sectors of their economy right now. I believe it was a front page digg article that covered Skype's new HQ in Estonia.
      Here's an article pertaining to it: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/13/technology/13skype.html?ei=5088&en=06f1efc1e11e7049&ex=1292130000

      However, their growing IT economy does not offset France's huge population in the stats, but does shed some light on why it may be skewed.
    • gregharmon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I would only believe stats from Yahoo, MSN, Google or MySpace. Pretty much, anything else, is going to be relatively skewed to a certain degree. Even if Yahoo / Google's #s are probably 1 to 2% off from each others.
  • sexualaj, on 10/11/2007, -13/+4There's no hose to water this Fox down


  • quicksilver, on 10/11/2007, -14/+6I just encounter a reason why IE has the upper hand, with me that is. I had to upload a folder onto a ftp. and IE was able to view the ftp where i could upload with a program.where as ff wasn't. I'm sure there is a extension to add for ff, but that's mean I would have to install and restart the program. which was not a option.
  • demonotaku, on 10/11/2007, -16/+106It gave me a good laugh to see that Windows 98 is higher than Linux.
    *prepares to be dugg down*
    • Kinjiru, on 10/11/2007, -21/+5that is a good laugh.. however the OS stats cannot be relied on either since it's way too easy to change that (and I've seen some sites that actually check for that and even disallow *nix based users... winbloze fanboyz of course)
    • Xorp, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4Gave me me a good WTF too.
    • Stonedonkey, on 10/11/2007, -13/+9It gives me a good laugh to see that OSX is higher than Vista. Even counting that OSX has been around for years, Vista's theoretical install base should have trumped it. Instead, it's under 2% penetration.
    • zanjabeel, on 10/11/2007, -3/+24actually this proves that wider market share doesn't indicate better product.

    • xs650, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4I thought it rather remarkable that Linux is finally closing in on a MS OS, even if it is 98. Too bad they didn't have Windows 3.1, Linux would have beat it.
  • FrozenGonad, on 10/11/2007, -14/+18I'm actually starting to think Firefox is getting a bit bloated.

    Or maybe I just need to update my hardware..
    • Ridikul, on 10/11/2007, -12/+3You don't say?
    • brownzilla, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Its better than IE but I agree, it seems to have gotten a bit bloated. May I suggest Opera at the risk of getting dugg down.
  • yell0wduck, on 10/11/2007, -13/+13Konqueror. Not listed :(
    • stimpack, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Don't digg him down, Konqueror is frighteningly good. I use Firefox because I run multiple platforms and want a common browser with a mass of plugins, but Konq is superb.
    • idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4/me uses Konqueror
      If you're running KDE, Konqueror owns
    • Kazrog, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Hey at least Safari is on there. Same engine.
  • rickystyle88, on 10/11/2007, -10/+2Is this even news?
  • patkirkrick, on 10/11/2007, -5/+57I hate to point out the elephant in the living room, but Latvia beating Canada?
    • Saccharin, on 10/11/2007, -3/+29Yeah that's what I noticed as well. There's no way Latvia has the fourth highest net presence. Makes the whole survey a bit specious.
    • anagoge, on 10/11/2007, -5/+28RUN! THERE'S AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!
    • simd, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1I'm not saying the figures are right, but Latvia has a massive level of Internet usage and connectivity, beyond most countries.
    • laame, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1That surprised me too! I'm from Latvia, and actually we are really small country.
      Can it be, that we are digitalized so much?
    • grumpyrain, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Why should it concern you that a small Eastern European block country with 2 million citizens makes up 4% of the total and IT powerhouses like India, South Korea and Japan don't even hit the top 10? This is the internets. It must be true.
    • WolvenSpectre, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Canada is supposedly 3X as wired as the US is with 1/11th the USA's Population and Canada is the Second Largest Country in the world next to Russia.

      It some doesn't make sence we only have 10% of the USA's usage.
  • ps3udov3ctor, on 10/11/2007, -17/+6that number won't increase much if firefox doesn't do something about the bloat...

    digg me down die hard firefox wankers.
  • ErinIsADrunk, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13its amazing to see how much Firefox is penetrating into the mainstream market now. People who I wouldn't consider to be tech savy including my parents use Firefox and tell me how much better it is then that "old one" they used to use.
    • PueSi, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Well i guess it's because it's just a browser, IE, Firefox, Opera they're all pretty much the same (interface wise).
      Firefox is IE with tabs, more secure?, with themes and lots of extensions.
    • WolvenSpectre, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Appearently he/she hasn't seen Opera lately.
  • Mast3rDigg3r, on 10/11/2007, -2/+639 AOL 6.0 0.58%

    STILL?
  • MrViklund, on 10/11/2007, -3/+23Strange that Sweden isn't even in top 10. What have we done wrong? :/
    • frebro, on 10/11/2007, -10/+3Maybe 'cause there lives more ppl in NY than in the entire kingdom of Sweden?
    • SimonGray, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13No, because the results don't represent anything worldwide. Latvia is at 4% ffs. Latvia, 2 million people in Eastern Europe have made 4% of all visits...? Explain that one to me.
    • PurpleYonder, on 10/11/2007, -8/+0Ok... for all those who don't get it and keep asking how it is possible that Latvia beats Canada. The numbers in the "Countries" table have nothing to do with the "web presence" or "web share" of a country. If you'd bothered adding up the all of the percentages together in that table you would see that they do not make anywhere near 100%. To me this table means this: "a percentage of people in a given country that uses FireFox". Now from that point of view it makes total sense. 4% of Latvians use Firefox, whereas only 3.55% Canadians do so. Easy, no?
  • Toupee, on 10/11/2007, -9/+35You know, I wore my Firefox shirt on the town yesterday and two people totally out of the blue commented!
    • djg38, on 10/11/2007, -9/+46I wore mine to get a haircut and the hair dresser was like "oh you're locked down?" and I'm like "whattt???" and she' like "Firefox! It's secure!".
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -28/+15@ Toupee - were their comments "Jesus what a ***** loser"?
  • oMeSSiaHo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+33I think whats most shocking is 800x600 is the third most common resolution. Is it 15" monitors or do people really like blocky desktops?
    • fullphaser, on 10/11/2007, -4/+22People are just blind, old people can't see
    • PueSi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I'm using 800x600, my 15" SyncMaster 450b is not going anywhere until it dies.
    • Kinjiru, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I have a number of clients that are visually impared and run either 800x600 or 1024x768 with large icons and font settings... not to mention anyone with more serious vision problems. And then there are those still using old 14/15" crt's as well.. so it's partially failure to adopt newer tech and partially a simple need for such. 1600x1280 would be quite useless for those with vision problems after all.
    • idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3They like to see the pixels. They feel like a haxor.
    • FIip, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I'm running 1024x768 on my 15" LCD, so that's no excuse.
    • WolvenSpectre, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1OH my god there's that elephant again!
  • pascalosti, on 10/11/2007, -11/+10i like my opera..
    vista only at 1.94?
  • Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -10/+551% are using 1024x768 resolution? Geez, I'm at 1920x1200 and that's not even on the chart. I guess I'm Mr. Future from the Land of Hi-res or something. I also find it amusing that Windows 2000 has more hits than Mac OS X, but not so amusing that Linux has less than Windows 98.
    • Jugalator, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4As for that, 1680x1050 makes up just 2% :-o
      And here I thought 19/20" LCD's actually sold. :-p
  • oliviacond, on 10/11/2007, -11/+525%? thats all?
    • SimonGray, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8No, it's more. The results aren't accurate. Countries with low Firefox usage (USA, Latvia) have a terribly inflated amount of visits.
    • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -12/+5It's more. Wow. Just when I thought people couldn't get any more pathetic, you go and prove me wrong.
  • kitkatsavvy, on 10/11/2007, -16/+10Opera 9.0 0.77%
    Opera 9.1 0.51%

    Total = 1.28% GO GO opera! ABSOLUTELY no memory leaks at all! joys

    anyway.. how come china didn't make the top 10 countries list?? i thought that they are coming close to being the world's top internet users.. prove me wrong tho....
  • Smegzor, on 10/11/2007, -11/+10IE? People still use that?

    I use Firefox and Opera. When I switched to Firefox it was still called Firebird.
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17My 71 year old friend uses 1440x900. With binoculars.
    • mustacheo, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1WOW! does he also use chopsticks while punching in the keys?
    • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -13/+4People still buy iPods?
    • WolvenSpectre, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1I switched to Opera when IE was just a glimmer in Microsoft's eye and Netscape was still callled Navigator! Think Windows 98
  • kitkatsavvy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15p.s. i use IE when some sites don't work with Opera (ie panda, trendmicro antivirus, maybe windows update too)...

    its a good backup browser to have ... then again, you haven't really got a choice when its inbuilt into the OS.
    • PueSi, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10Would you rather not have any browser with the OS?
      How do you download Firefox then?
    • neau, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6@PueSi: It's called FTP.
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Right, but which FTP? Wouldn't it be uncompetitive for Microsoft to leave ftp.exe in Windows?
    • WolvenSpectre, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Actually you can "remove" IE by going to install components and then uncheck IE (and outlook) they are still on the computer just not integrated with the OS and aren't in the start menu
  • fullphaser, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9Goody I guess, the only reason I want to see firefox at higher margins is to force Microsoft to actually work and get their browser on par. I don't want to see firefox as a raining majority any more than I want to see any other browser. Sure as a webedeveloper it would simplify things, but that is one of the good things about the internet is choice. I would much rather have 3 mainstream browsers to choose from than be stuck with one that is just "teh rox" but it doesn't really fit my needs.

    Oh and before I get diggblitirated I should mention I am running firefox as I post this.
  • ghostgamer, on 10/11/2007, -10/+2hm page down, the digg effect ;) but FF ftw :)
    personally i don´t know anybody who uses IE anymore ...
    • djg38, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Page isn't down...

      How could the digg effect take down a web stats site? It has to record every visit to over 4,000 websites... how could the visits from one take it down?
  • Downtime, on 10/11/2007, -14/+5This online biz owner/webmaster still prefers IE.
    • brownspank, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Wow, I guess that makes ALL the difference in the world.
    • stimpack, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5No your a troll, only dumb people or non tech-aware people use IE. Firefox, Konqueror, Opera, are all extremely nice and while fanboyism makes these into warring tribes, we would all unite to urinate over you for making crappy non-complient webpages. Ack, now I'm a troll.
  • RedViper1999, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Yeah but it looks like Microsoft still has a death grip on the operating systems people use. Something like 95% use a windows platform, Linux has 1.21%. Does that number not include servers, because I was under the impression alot of companies had switched their servers to linux, maybe I was wrong.
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -7/+7Yes that number excludes servers. Linux's only real market is servers and embedded devices, on which they have significant market share. Despite what digg might lead us to believe there's no mass migration or even mini migrations to Ubuntu and the others as a desktop operating system. Windows 98 (under)powers more desktops.
    • djg38, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3It's a report from a web counter site... servers don't have web counters... websites do. And they track visitors, not the OS of the computers the sites run on.
  • SimonGray, on 10/11/2007, -16/+6These numbers are skewed and do not in any way represent the whole world.

    Latvia, a relatively poor Eastern European country with a population of just over 2 million people have made 4% of the total visits, while France, a rich Western European country with over 60 million inhabitants is only at 3%? How you can you call this accurate?
    • Branden, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15I heard you the first time.
    • matude, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2Because eastern europe actually is a lot more advanced in technology than western.
      I live in Estonia, a relatively poor country, compared to let's say France, but still here all cafes have wifi, most of them are free. All parks and popular city places are also covered with free wifi. G3 cell phone starts to take over gsm phonesystem. In France or Italy you have to search for public internet places like insane, I only found one for entire Venice and I actually met people who don't care about computers at all, their cell-phones are old and huge.. a total hell for a technology geek.
      Can't use gprs nicely in western europe although officially roaming and network should work perfectly. People seem to use only their local network, if even that, while using internet. French nor Italian people don't speak english much, they use their own native language websites and don't communicate with the rest of the world at all.

      Yes eastern europe is poor, but it's also innovative and catching up with the rest of the europe amazingly fast. Old western countries are conservative.

      And anyway, how is being poor and using firefox related? It just shows french people use IE which is not suprising at all imho..
  • ambushxx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Strange..China isnt even in the list but latvia has 4%

    china has 136 million internet users according to this
    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6152408.html

    Go figure
  • kitkatsavvy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2ambushxx.. read my comment above..nobody has answered me yet either....
    • djg38, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Probably China isn't visiting the same English sites that would use an English web tracker. And maybe there's a large group of Latvian webmasters whose sites happen to use it.
  • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -14/+9Anyone who believes that 1 out of 4 people are using Firefox is seriously delusional. It is nothing but hte pathetic Firefox fanboys coordinating efforts to visit the tracking sites.

    Similar to the Ron Paul pathetic fanboys flooding polls.
    • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -13/+8And if you think I made that up, all you have to do is go to a bunch of pathetic firefox fanboy sites and often you can SEE the cooridated efforts. They are outright telling their visitors to do this.
    • georgiepiebob, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1@hdtvdust
      the only reason i've not blocked you yet is because your comments are so retarded i just can't help but laugh. you just ***** with anything/anybody for attention (that i'm giving you... ooops). i'd like to thank you for making my day brighter knowing there are people more bent out of shape over worthless crap than i am.
    • aiten, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1@hdtvdust: You're wrong. I'm not seriously delusional. I have not seen anybody using Internet Explorer in absolutely months. This includes friends, friends of friends, and friends of those people, and their parents. I fully believe that 24.8% of people use firefox, and I believe that because it is a fantastic product. Fantastic products don't need fanboys to promote them, they promote themselves.

      But seriously, I haven't seen anybody use Internet Explorer in ages.
  • savingaurora, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4i just wish firefox wouldn't suck on mac....camino (sp?) also sucks
    • ManicMouse, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Why do you say Camino sucks? 1.5 is looking very tasty...
  • aura, on 10/11/2007, -7/+314.47% + 9.10% + 1.25% = 24.82%, not 25.00%
  • whiterajah, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20Here's an interesting one:

    Mac OS X 3.87%
    Safari 2.0 1.94%

    therefore: half of all mac visitors were not using the browser that comes as standard on OS X
    • Jholder112233, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Thats a really good point. As a Mac OS X user myself I must say that I can see why. Safari is poor in my personal opinion, I use Firefox 2.1 :]
    • kevinwiz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Safari is terrible, that's why. why the hell does it open new windows when you click a link? its very annoying. and it has no extensions. I cant live without my extensions.
  • eN1X, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2I go to ITT tech and myself and a few other of my classmates managed to talk the IT department into putting Firefox on all the computers in the school. You're welcome Mozilla :p

    Now if only they'd upgrade the crappy T1 line...
  • kitkatsavvy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3...seems like these figures are very dodgy...without china being in the list and soforth...so are there any other sites that have "true" and correct statistics about browser usage etc?/ anyone?
  • Nomad559, on 10/11/2007, -9/+2Real World Stats

    http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8201/26791088qf2.png
    • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4How cute of you. You tried to make it look like you "accidentally" took a screenshot with an embarrassing google search in your browser. I can see your thought process now. "Hmmm, what cool sounding porn site can I come up with? How about some alliteration...I know, Butt Blasting Brazilian Babes."

      As if you didn't type that in RIGHT before taking the screen grab. (Seriously, who searches for things like that in google, and not in a torrent site?)
    • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4And as further proof that you did it on purpose is some really pathetic attempt to finally have people communicate with you...explain why you would link to a SCREENSHOT of your brwoser, rather than that site itself.

      Makes no sense.
    • Jennica, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11You're using IE, dumbass.
  • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -9/+5I would also like to point out that whenever someone submits this site to show how little a market share that Linux or Apple has, you pathetic fanboys ALL claim that htis site is not reliable.

    Same exact site.

    Go figure.
  • RamboJesus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Only 25%... man we need to get our act together.
    There is no reason why our family and friends should be using IE.
    Do we hate them or something?
    • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -13/+3No, but if you act like a pathetic prick and berate family members (I did not mention friends because you have none) to change their brownsers, they will hate you.

      Nothing said "I have NO ife" than caring what browser OTHER people use.
    • aiten, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2And if you improve their browsing experience by giving them a better browser, they'll love you.

      hdtvdust, you are nothing but a moron, and nobody is listening to your opinion.
    • itsme92, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2So how do I get my dad to use Firefox? He uses IE6 on his work computer and IE7 on his home computer, while everyone else in my house uses Firefox 2 except me on Safari.

      He claims he "doesn't like the look of Firefox"
      then whenever he uses IE he gets pissed at the big blue tab in his way (he doesn't use tabbed browsing)

      Do any of you have any reasons? This is the same man that uses Norton and I had to convince him AVG was a better choice for a computer he didn't even use, and says that the WEP we've got on our network is "unbreakable". I converted the rest of my family by the end of 2004, I've totally given up on my dad though, but maybe I could talk him into it.
    • starvingarvin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2My Grandma uses NetZero (she refuses to PAY for internet access), and by default it launches IE when signing on.

      I try to run virus/spyware scans whenever I'm there... At least she hasn't figured out how to do much beside read her webmail, god help me if she starts surfing the net.
    • chugger1992, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0@itsme92

      https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3984
    • RamboJesus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1itsme92, I can only tell you how it went down for me.
      I spent over a year trying to get my mom to switch to firefox.
      She tried it once or twice and said that it was slower. ( It was only slower because IE had her sites in cache already. )
      Finally one day I installed it again after she got cable Internet.
      I showed her image zoom and how to use it.
      I showed her forecast fox and told her about it.
      I told her how about Ad Block Plus and how it worked and took her to some some pages that I knew she would know that I knew use to be covered in ads.I also showed her how to block images.

      Now when I run Spy Bot, Spyware Killer and Adaware if finds almost nothing at all.
  • Philbert, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1No Netscape listed?
    • djg38, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3It's not in the top 10 browsers used online anymore, yay!
  • t00bA, on 10/11/2007, -5/+0the revolution is here!
  • allcdnboy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1fitness.com stats (our site)
    English: 17%
    Germany: 33%
    Spain: 23%
  • dgr814vr, on 10/11/2007, -13/+1Percentages do not real numbers make.
    That is the real truth. Firefox may have 25% of the market but that may also count for new users which does not count as move from (ie loss) from IE
    BTW : This is a real Marketing fact. Percentages are a marketing use. Real numbers are a Sales Use. Intellegent techs are the people who thank Microsoft for IE and then charge people 250 an hour to hide IE and Install Opera and FF and set them up to run Youtube... (Like me)
    • hdtvdust, on 10/11/2007, -7/+9Dude...did you just call yourself an intelligent tech?

      You are not.

      And you are not making $250 an hour. I know your real life is pathetic, but at least come up with a reasonable fake one.
  • derekstech, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Its because people are going to Dell!
  • Jennica, on 10/11/2007, -8/+8I am so fierce with my opinion of Firefox.
    I just can't help but associate IE with stupid people.
  • shacknasty, on 10/11/2007, -8/+23 Firefox 2.0 14.47%
    4 Firefox 1.5 9.10%
    6 Firefox 1.0 1.25%

    No matter how hard I push the buttons on my calculator, I can not get this to add up to 25%
    • brownspank, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Don't wreck your calculator. There's this thing called ROUNDING UP.
  • LucasKane, on 10/11/2007, -7/+7Time to go back to using IE, Firefox is not edgy anymore with this market share
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