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Firefox sets new record, cracks 19% market share

computerworld.com — Mozilla Corp. used the launch of Firefox 3.0 last month to boost its browser market share to over 19%, an Internet measurement company said today.Most of Firefox's increase came during the week following Version 3.0's release, when the combined share of Firefox 2.0 and 3.0 jumped from 18.2% before the June 17 launch to 18.6% immediately after.

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  • FameMoney, on 07/02/2008, -24/+169Firefox is the future, and IE is for novice & unexperienced people.
    • KloroFormd, on 07/03/2008, -12/+7I know a really great web designer that actually prefers the IE rendering engine, because a few of those non-standard things are easier, and he still visits pages that require it.

      I'll never understand him.

      But maybe... he shall be assimilated in the future.
      • mijelh, on 07/03/2008, -1/+29If he prefers a rendering engine that he recognizes as less standard compliant just because it's easier for him, maybe he's not such a great web designer...
      • mattlohkamp, on 07/03/2008, -2/+12Ah, see, the part where he likes it because it's easier, not because it's right? That's the part where he's not a really great web designer.
      • chroko, on 07/03/2008, -3/+4See the part where he recognizes that some solutions are less complicated and faster?

        That's why you just lost that contract to him.

        (Note: the original poster said *nothing* about the designer not being *capable* or *willing* of building an equivalent solution that would work in Firefox - he has an extensive array of tools and understands their strengths and weaknesses.)
      • mijelh, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4If a web designer working for me ever develops a "solution" that will work only in iexplorer (or only in whatever browser) I would fire him like in 5 minutes.

        Thats how I get that contract once he is in the street
      • Killwize, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2Oh no, More Web Design Nazis! Ukk!
      • Cougnut415, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/141 ...
      • sint4x, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1Man, you never made me click reply faster. I was going to say, he prefers the IE rendering engine because;
        1) He is not very educated in regards to web development
        2) He is lazy
        3) He does not take pride in his work
        But I think I am just summing up all the comments.

        Hey, if I am lazy I could forget washing or oiling my car. But personally I would like it to look nice, maintain functionality, and last as long as possible.
      • KloroFormd, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2He gets his pages to work fine in all browsers. He doesn't like that borders and things add to the overall size in standards-compliant browsers though. He writes very clean and organized code which shows he DOES take pride in it.

        I still don't agree with his decision though. I don't have the talent he does, yet I still can't stand coding for IE.
    • KibibyteBrain, on 07/03/2008, -2/+8Although, apparently experienced geeks who are inexperienced spellers can still apply to the Firefox camp. I think its more fair to say that Firefox(or Opera or elinks or notepad and rendering the code in your brain or whatever you like) is for people who care at all about what web browser they use, and the default is for everyone else.
      Besides, I don't think MS maintains IE as much as a serious web browser as a concept platform for their .net HTML rendering components. Lots of .net applications use IE components to do stuff.
    • maximumsteve1, on 07/03/2008, -1/+6elinks is the future! i'm posting with it right now!
    • rasmasyean, on 07/03/2008, -14/+5The world is not just about the Internet and avoiding viruses. Not everyone downloads illegal crap and visits porn sites. Most people just take what comes with the OS and uses it to do a few common things. And they are familiar with IE because they (even experts) use IE at home and in the office. IE has technology that integrates with a lot of intranet applications so it’s all over businesses. And industry likes the fact that IE can be made less restrictive (a.k.a. more vulnerable) so they can make it run all sorts of apps on it. Most people don’t give a crap about “how great FireFox is” or even know about it. It’s not because they are “novice & unexperienced”. If you think Digg is a neat browser application…or any “internet app” for that matter…if you see what intranet apps can do, it will prolly blow your mind. Just and FYI, so next time you go on an interview, you don’t sound like a fool for insulting all the IE's they have. ;)
      • WhereAmI, on 07/03/2008, -2/+8Whats that? Oh nevermind I was busy loading Google Docs and Google Mail just fine on Firefox.
      • rasmasyean, on 07/03/2008, -6/+2ROFL! Is that sarcasim supposed to imply that Google Docs and Google Mail supposed to be examples of "enterprise class browser software"??? Nice try, but I wasn't talking about kids stuff. Trust me, I have over a decade of experience in IT. It's a good effort no doubt, but for now those are still in the "consumer class experiments" category. We'll see how far they can take it in the future though.
      • sexypeon, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1People who have internet don't visit porn sites?
      • maumac, on 07/03/2008, -1/+0"Not everyone (...) visits porn sites"

        You just lost all your credibility here.
      • swicken, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2Uh oh, someone doesn't know what they're talking aboutttttttt.
      • WhereAmI, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1@rasmasyean:
        People over 20 don't say "ROFL!"
    • WhereAmI, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2And for people who's school hasn't realized how much safer it is and haven't unfroze the computers in the labs to have it installed for good.
    • Stewdean, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2So it's the future, but not for most users? Anything that is for the future should be FOR new and novice users as well as those who have more experience. I hope you don't design software applications!

    • auricomnet, on 07/03/2008, -3/+1and retards
    • bccThis, on 07/03/2008, -2/+1unexperienced? how about highschool dropouts like you who make up words? it's inexperienced stupid.

      and yes I use firefox.
  • hawksfan03, on 07/02/2008, -5/+82The only thing preventing FireFox from reaching a 50% market share is people's resistance to change and people that don't know it exists. Keep spreading the word! I sent my parents this link http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/video/ and they installed it and have been hooked ever since
  • Emachine, on 07/02/2008, -13/+4I'm actually hoping that it doesn't get too big. Because no browser is perfect and bug free. So if it hits 50% marketshare , Firefox will replace IE as the primary target of hackers for viruses and exploiting bugs and etc...
    • bejayel, on 07/03/2008, -2/+7Yeah, but it doesnt matter as much because firefox isnt tied directly to the CORE of the system. The reason IE is SO insecure (even having less exploits than firefox sometimes) is because it is tied to tightly into windows. In fact, without IE, Windows would not function.
  • wavesmachine, on 07/03/2008, -12/+1These stats look slightly askew... I'm accustomed to looking at these:
    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a ...
    • jacobu9, on 07/03/2008, -0/+10The problem with these stats is that they are from the W3C's site, and the majority of people who go there are people who care about standards compliance and consequently choose browsers like Firefox, so they have an abnormally high percentage of market-share there. The ideal logs would be Google's, but seeing as how those are private, sites which have a wide range of users are the next best thing. The W3C's site even says

      "These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users."
  • drjekelmrhyde, on 07/03/2008, -13/+2Tuesdays update killed Ad-block plus and my IE tab
    /Still won't use 3 till the Awesome bar can be terminated in the option menu
    • twiztidsinz, on 07/03/2008, -1/+9Only you buddy...

      Awesome Bar is flawless and ABP never stopped working for me.
    • Hellothere123, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4IE tab and AdBlock Plus works fine for me... check for update.
    • santaliqueur, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Perfect for me. If it wasn't already named the Awesome Bar, I would probably have called it that by now anyway.
  • mr.gates, on 07/03/2008, -3/+78Install it on your parents, sisters, brothers machine and just swap out the icon for the IE icon they will use it and not even know the difference. I did it and have hooked a lot of people just give them time they will find the tab browsing and stuff on there own after a few months tell them what you did and switch the icon back they will keep using it. Plus they will probably think your some sort of magician with your icon changing abilities.
    • soupedupsupra, on 07/03/2008, -2/+20"you said you took a picture of it, just restore it" "...yeah i mean i guess... i can just make it the background..."
      • samssf, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Are you sure? Because I can't really.... yeah I mean ok but I don't think you'll.........ok cya
    • raptor87, on 07/03/2008, -7/+2when i first installed firefox I did exactly that to get myself used to using it.
      • FUR10N, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1yeah when I installed it a couple years ago I was so used to clicking on IE that I had remove all shortcuts to IE just to get me to get used to FF.
    • WhereAmI, on 07/03/2008, -2/+11Also install the IE Theme for better secretiveness.
    • Schmich, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3"swap out the icon for the IE icon they will use it and not even know the difference" am I the only one seeing something wrong with the content of this sentence?
      • m60dude5, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1No there is something wrong with that sentence.
    • TrevorPace, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I did this to my dads computer. I also finally converted him from Netscape 7.2 to Thunderbird a few days ago.

      THAT was a bitch...I mean he had copies of emails everywhere...it was brutal.
    • zombird, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2Magician? I don't want to be fired for sorcery.
      • yoshman, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Only if you live in Florida. Just keep your toothpicks well hidden.
    • notthatnoise, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4look i use firefox too, but you have to stop using tabbed browsing as a reason its better, IE has that too.
      • mr.gates, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2But your argument is mostly mute since the majority of users are using older versions of IE so they still haven't been exposed to tabbed browsing.
      • mossblaser, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2OK, its there but really - how long toes it take pissing IE to open a blank frikkin tab! (Not to mention filling the tab with a web page...)
  • thatsoccerkid, on 07/03/2008, -3/+131its just sad some people think IE icon on there desktops IS the internet.
    • santaliqueur, on 07/03/2008, -1/+67Stupid ***** people. Everyone knows that AOL is the internet.
      • mattlohkamp, on 07/03/2008, -0/+19except for an older friend of mine (okay, he's like 4 times my age) who thinks 'google' is his ISP.
      • santaliqueur, on 07/03/2008, -0/+16My ladyfriend has a cousin who is pretty technically challenged. They were talking about great companies to work for, and my girl said Google was a great company to work for, and her cousin said "People work for Google?"

        Jesus.
      • WhereAmI, on 07/03/2008, -0/+18@mattohkamp
        Let me guess, his home page is google? I know people that do the same thing and enter in the URL of the site they are going to in Google Search and think thats the only way to get to the site.
      • plundstedt, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2@WhereAmI

        Dad?
    • Alexrrr, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Couldn't agree more.. how many times friends have approached me with the dreaded "You know about computers right? My internet is not working" only to find out a spyware infested IE installation.

      Also i think that i would be nice to have Opera also have more percentage, we want balance in the force.

    • psuth1, on 07/03/2008, -0/+8what's even sadder is that my parents have broadband, and yet they REFUSE to terminate their AOL account. To them, clicking on that AOL button IS the internet. They spend like $30 a month extra for AOL....and they refuse to use anything other than the AOL 'browser'. Christmas visits get more and more painful every year...
    • Ducttape21, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1It isn't?!
  • mike345, on 07/03/2008, -6/+7The only reason people keep clinging to IE is because they can't embrace change! Moving to Firefox it moving forward, to something better:)
    • waydee, on 07/03/2008, -0/+7Or the fact the average person just doesn't care, if Internet Explorer works (which it does) they'll happily continue to use it. I'm a big fan of firefox and try and turn as many people as I can onto it but IE works for most people.
  • dagamer34, on 07/03/2008, -5/+63How do more than 73% of people still use the crappiest browser ever invented?
    • ptFoe, on 07/03/2008, -14/+3americans
      • santaliqueur, on 07/03/2008, -1/+7Must everything be anti-American in some way?
      • mattlohkamp, on 07/03/2008, -2/+3maybe what he meant was, "Americans?" - as in, americans are smartest so they should answer the question?

        ... naw, too much of stretch.
      • 4DFX, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2That's *****. You will find the same level of technical illiteracy in Europe too.
      • celkin, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Obvious troll is obvious.
    • bejayel, on 07/03/2008, -2/+14Its businesses that are the primary reason for the high IE numbers
      • rasmasyean, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Majority of that 73% are not from businesses. Although some people sneak a lot of web time while “working”, most people actually work. Many Windows for businesses rarely go on the internet (some never). If you count all the inactive IE’s on all the businesses and machines and hospitals, utilities, etc. IE prolly still has over 90%. LOL

        It’s the “internet savvy” people who surf a lot that makes up the 19% of the hits in the logger. And those people know about Firefox more and many make an effort to actually find it and install it.
      • WhereAmI, on 07/03/2008, -0/+7And schools that haven't switched.
    • deej99, on 07/03/2008, -6/+11Because it just so happens the crappiest browser comes pre-installed on the crappiest O/S
    • Stewdean, on 07/03/2008, -3/+6Not the crappiest by a long shot, but not the best. People use it because it works and arnt geeks who insist on tweaking everything because they can. Firefox is great but it's not great enough for most normal folks to notice real difference. Renders a few microseconds quicker, so what? Can have custom themes? Realy not a important feature. I use firefox but let's be realist here guys - why would normal people change their browser?

      • ammundsen, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2I disagree. My sister is not very technical and immediately noticed the difference in render speed and how many tabs she could have open. Also, anyone who takes the time to learn the new tagging system for bookmarks will find it much easier to find bookmarked content.
    • Niten, on 07/03/2008, -2/+61. Fact: Approximately 25% of U.S. citizens still approve of President Bush, according to the latest reliable poll data.

      2. Lemma: Americans are at least three times as likely to care about, and be capable of forming an intelligent opinion on, matters of national politics, than on the technical details of their computers' web browsers.

      From points #1 and 2 above, it is intuitive that nearly three quarters of web users just don't know or give a ***** enough to bother using anything other than the big 'e' already installed on their desktops. (Okay, so I basically pulled this out of my ass... but c'mon, amirite?)
    • employeeno5, on 07/03/2008, -4/+3"How do more than 73% of people still use the crappiest browser ever invented?"

      For the same reasons most people love fast food and hate art. Whether it's their food, music or software, most people love wallowing in garbage. They eat it up; love garbage and hate anything that looks like it might not have the stink of trash all over it.
      And it's not just Americans. I've traveled the world over and there's a pretty equal percentage of idiots everywhere. Most of them just aren't as loud or potentially powerful as the American ones.
    • maumac, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Inertia.
    • ammundsen, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3It isnt that 73% use IE that is bad. It is that a large percentage of that group still use IE6. IE6 is so much worse than IE7 which is itself pretty bad.
    • bmobile, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2It didn't used to be the crappiest browser. Remember Netscape? IE wiped the floor with Netscape back in the day and it was THE browser to use. Then once Microsoft got like 90% of the market, they stopped innovating.

      That's not to say I don't use Firefox today, though. FF 3.0 is one of the best browsers ever made!
  • anandpopat, on 07/03/2008, -9/+4why not 50%. Firefox is way way better, end of story
    • mijelh, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Being better is not sufficient nor necessary for being dominant on a market. Most reasons are non technical, like corporate deals & politics, advertisement, or in the case of IE, being incorporated into almost every new PC.
  • EclipseGSX, on 07/03/2008, -5/+10Every PC that I work on for friends or family I secretly replace IE with FF. It's easy enough to get it looking rather similar to IE, without all the complete *****. Don't knock the people that use IE... they just don't know any better. Do your job as responsible, moderately tech-savvy individuals and spread the love. I even put an "Internet Explorer" icon on the desktop and change the icon to IE's so they feel all warm and fuzzy.
    • mijelh, on 07/03/2008, -1/+15I don't think that's the way to go. Treating people as reatarded and replacing their stuff secretly because "you know better" sounds really awfull to me.
      Most likely, if you just tell them that you think IE is inferior to Firefox and that you can replace it if they want, they would say "ok", maybe just because if they are not tech savy they just don't give a *****.
      • dacomputerfreak, on 07/03/2008, -7/+1Most people DON'T know better and ARE retarded. You haven't worked for an ISP before, have you? Walk a day in my shoes and you'll change your mind about how ridiculously stupid the majority of people really are.
      • seshomarusamma, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I agree with mijelh. but if someone asks me to fix' their virus ridden computer, or i'm installing a system at work , i make a point of twaeking it so i will not have to do it again in a month or two. this usually includes firefox+noscript or just pure linux
      • maumac, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1You should be careful doing that. I think I head somewhere that binding people through ignorance is already patented by some other browser vendor.
      • EclipseGSX, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1I know where you're coming from, and I apologize for making a blanket statement as a comment here. If they're people that I know are receptive of change (generally people in my age range), I will explain the benefits of FF and that's that. For my parents?... not so easy. For the higher-ups in the company I support? ... yeah. Would I ever do it to company PCs that need to connect to intranet sites? Of course not. Until FF can support internal websites like IE, they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of gaining market share on the corporate side. Sure, you or I might know how to add URLs to the "intranet" (as far as FF is concerned) by using about:config, but something tells me that 99.9% of people in a corporate environment don't.
  • Darwynn, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6I like Firefox. I downloaded 3.0 when it was released just to try it out and haven't used Safari since. It really is faster and the add-ons and extensions are great.
    • waluigi14, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1It's not faster than the nightly Webkit builds, though. Squirrelfish FTW!
  • visitmyblogplz, on 07/03/2008, -14/+5Lol? Why isn't Opera higher for being the best browser? (just watch, I'll get buried by Fx fanboys like Obama fanboys)
    • MozzieTS, on 07/03/2008, -1/+7because it wasn't always free and thus firefox has a huge head start on it.
      • visitmyblogplz, on 07/03/2008, -5/+1What are you talking about? Opera became free way before Firefox came out.
      • dacomputerfreak, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4Firefox 1.0 - shipped November 9, 2004
        Opera Eliminates Ad Banner and Licensing Fee - September 20, 2005

        @visitmyblogplz - No, I won't visit your blog if it contains such inaccurate information. Looks like you got caught passing your random guesses off as fact.
      • visitmyblogplz, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1Lol, I didn't say any inaccurate information. Opera became free before Firefox came out. There were just ads on the top. Sorry, but you fail.
    • robrohan, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3I kind of agree with MozzieTS - while I know it's not true anymore, I still feel like Opera is going to have an irritating, always on ad bar along the top. Old School I know.

      Plus the last time I used the js debugger it was invasive and hard to resize or something. I just remember the whole experience - aside from the great speed and rendering engine - it wasn't pleasant (obviously it's been quite a while). I can't think of a compelling reason to try it again.

      I am not saying it's not the best browser every created, but just that in my mind it makes me think of Netscape 4 for some reason. Maybe they should rename it and rebrand it...
    • mattlohkamp, on 07/03/2008, -0/+7Eh, Opera's been up and down, and so has Firefox for that matter - the import part is that you pick a standards-compliant browser that is comfortable for you to use.
    • reformation, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2It was still ad supported when Firefox came first came out.
    • derekcordeiro, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Firefox Addons vs Opera Widgets -- I think the extensions are much more useful. And well, Linux distros do not include it by default, most sites do not support it -- stumbleupon.com for example.

      If websites have more support for opera or for that matter safari(available for windows too), I think there would be more opera users.

      The question that comes to my mind -- what does opera offer that Firefox does not?
    • dn11, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5explain to me what is so special about Opera again? I keep trying it, never have much liked it.
    • GreenAlien, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4"Lol? Why isn't Opera higher for being the best browser? (just watch, I'll get buried by Fx fanboys like Obama fanboys) "

      Because they didn't realise the potential financially for a free browser early enough. As soon as they saw Firefox take off, and the millions it made from its search deal with Google, they switched over. The management just werent quick enough.

      Add to that the fact that Firefox has always been more customizable and Mozilla have been very active in encouraging add-ons early on. It's no luck that Firefox is the #2 browser now.

      Personally the only thing I liked about Opera was its full page zoom feature. I used that regularly. Firefox 3 has that now too though so I havent used Opera since. I didn't care much for the UI in Opera either - it was too busy. Firefox never seems to get in the way. It just works.

      If you get buried then it's probably because you blurted out "fanboys" twice instead of saying something useful.
  • dn11, on 07/03/2008, -9/+1is anybody else having trouble with firefox 3? suddenly it is eating up huge amounts of memory - up to 1 gig. it gets super slow and generally unusable - it only happens if I have multiple tabs and/or windows open, but nothing excessive. I used the betas for a long time and never had any trouble.
    • WhereAmI, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5Stop leaving porn from flash sites(redtube, xtube, porntube) in multiple tabs open all night.
      • dn11, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1uhh... no. but regardless of what I have open in tabs, it never happened to me before. I never had memory leaks this bad even on Firefox 2... as a result I find myself using safari more, even on windows... desperate times indeed. i predict firefox 3, once the hype dies off, will be found to be another crap release.
  • ronaldmonster, on 07/03/2008, -0/+12Personally despite what most people think Firefox is gonna have a harder time cracking the market than they think. I tried letting my family use, and despite telling them every reason why they should use it instead of IE they go right back too it. To most people Mac, Linux & Windows is all the same, and until you can show them how it will benefit them personally (a lot harder than it sounds) they won't change their minds.
    • Niz1, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5It was quite easy with firefox 3, give them that a try , like the new address bar did wonders for my dad he just types in something he doesnt quite remember and it comes up! he doesn't know the address for hotmail so he types in mail and it comes up.

      Only problem atm is my mum uses msn messenger to get to hotmail and it forces Internet explorer to open and the browsing continues from there, i cant really do anything about this and my parents don't seem to care what they use as long as they get what they want. I guess its the newer generations that need to be converted while they're young and open to new things, put firefox in the schools i say!
    • Vindexus, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1I just download Firefox and uninstall Internet Explorer. Then I rename the desktop icon of Firefox to "Internet" and change its logo to the IE one.
  • kgdoom, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2Way to go FF! Keepin the dream allliiiiiive!
  • Niz1, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Im actually not all too surprised whenever i help someone with their computer they all seem to have firefox installed and they are non-technical, not that you need to be technical to use firefox its just things like this tend to only be known with people who bother with branching out. Good to know Firefox is a really well know player.
  • rdas7, on 07/03/2008, -12/+3nobody cares
  • ThirdPrize, on 07/03/2008, -6/+1Come on, how many of those 90 Billion people who downloaded it on the first day tried it for a bit and then went back to their old browser. Lets see the figures in a month or twos time.
  • donkeySays, on 07/03/2008, -7/+1I know Chuck Norris jokes have gotten old, but can't it: http://chucknorrism.com/?mod=fact&id=192
  • 5plic3r, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4The OS X version is still riddled with HCI bugs (e.g. improper arrow key behaviour in many of the text fields). The Linux and Windows versions are great though.
  • Owwmykneecap, on 07/03/2008, -0/+14its 30% usage in Ireland and around 25% in Europe.
  • perot9296, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Definately install it on anybody's computer that doesnt know much about computers. You wont have to worry as much about viruses, adware and crap like that. Be sure to grab a free antivirus also (avast, avg, ...)
  • thailand1972, on 07/03/2008, -9/+4Firefox 3 is the Barak Obama of browsers - better choice, and getting more popular. Which makes IE the George Bush (Bush is simply non-standards compliant when factoring in ethics and morals as standards). Opera is the Ron Paul - unknown to the masses, but a good choice.
  • PabloIV, on 07/03/2008, -0/+15My dad (an otherwise intelligent man) is convinced that Firefox messes with his machine if it's simultaneously installed with IE.

    Can 71% of the internet be under the same impression?
  • Notyavgkat, on 07/03/2008, -1/+9i don't see how IE can look at itself in the mirror in the morning
  • cultavix, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2I completely agree.

    People are afraid to change and some people just dont care at all...

    I have a few friends that I have told about Firefox and they dont switch just because they are lazy and dont know the true benefits like addons and stuff.

    I am now running a copy of XP without IE on it at all, I just use Firefox with like 15 addons
  • Nayson, on 07/03/2008, -3/+2http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/jamesthecat ...

    (And ive used Firefox since Jan/Feb 2005)
  • alysonpeace, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5Internet Explorer is a miserable failure of a browser, like Vista is an operating system. Firefox has my loyalty :)
  • QsheiK, on 07/03/2008, -0/+10I was telling my friend who is also a technician about how great Firefox is and then he tells me that he thought that they're all owned by the same company... i.e. Firefox was owned by Microsoft.

    Imagine the shock on my face when he said that.

  • liquidmetalband, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2Still only 2 in 10.
    • Schmich, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Considering how stupid the average person is, considering how little the average person cares about computers and how many non-personal computers (public and entreprise ones) there are I think it's pretty high.
    • TrevorPace, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Or 1 in 5 to make that fraction reduced.
  • daok, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1I dont get it why in http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord the amount of downloaded FF in the map isn't the same from the one in the combobox list? Anyone know?
  • iDimensionz, on 07/03/2008, -3/+0Where is CW getting their stats? w3schools.com reports Firefox at 41% market share! See http://w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp as of June 2008
    • ammundsen, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5People who go to w3schools are looking for info on web standards. You would expect them to use a browser that is fairly standard compliant. This would not be true for other sites.
  • Quatlo, on 07/03/2008, -6/+0Firefox whored out to Google and the result is a glut of flash and insert ads never seen in previous Firefox versions. Sure, Adblock Plus and Flashblock will kill most of them if you have an extra minute or two on each site page you visit. Things were much better before 3.0. Removing 3.0 and re-installing 2.0.0.15 doesn't bring back the ad free browsing which made Firefox popular to begin with. We're schmucks for participating in the bait and switch.
  • daeneth, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0Wonderful news, I always like to prod people toward firefox whenever possible.

    It would make my life a lot easier if FF had 100% market share, but until that day when will Microsoft start making the update to IE7 compulsory, heck even bundle it in SP3...
  • TheRealMisterd, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1If they want more market share, have an official MSI package from Mozilla.

    They already have a neat way to integrate it with their current build process.
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23106 ...
    but they haven't touched it since APRIL 2008!

    Create a Bugzilla account and Vote for this bug

    => Corps will NEVER want FF without an MSI.
    => And Frontmotion (http://www.frontmotion.com/) != Mozilla (It's a trust issue)

    Why MSI?
    -it's a corp standard.(STD switches, behavior, customizable without repackaging the original MSI)
    -It is designed from the ground up to run UNATTENDED regardless if it's an upgrade or a new install.

    BTW: GPOs are nice to have but not critical.
  • m60dude5, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1You know, I've come up with an excellent parallel. Internet Explorer is to Firefox what President Bush is to Obama. Change we can believe in. It applies to Firefox too!
  • PhantomJM, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1At my company (a major ISP), We strongly encourage our customers to run Firefox due to its speed, security, and reliability. When we first show it to them, the most common comment we get is that they've never heard of anything but IE. Most people we setup with Firefox stay with Firefox. Great work guys!
  • jetblackz4, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I find myself a Mozilla pusher. Anytime a friend or family member needs something on their computer fixed/upgraded. I install FireFox and tell them from now on use nothing else. I am not sure why I do it.
  • deinspanjer, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1yay! I'm so happy to be part of such a great team and community.
  • linuxpwns207, on 07/04/2008, -0/+0omg ***** yeah open-source FTW!!
  • amroyce, on 09/20/2008, -0/+1No wonder. Now, there's another new player in town - Google Chrome. It's somewhat different from FF and offers a different browsing experience. Not sure if everybody is going to love it.
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