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my.opera.com — Opening an article comments page on the newly redesigned Digg.com site crashes the browser back to desktop.

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  • LumpOfCole, on 05/17/2008, -23/+179Extremely frustrating. Happens in 9.27 stable and 9.5 across all operating systems. And the error console is chock full of errors when not even on a thread with comments. How the hell did they code this system?
    • Makaveli604, on 05/17/2008, -84/+8Indeed.. ***** you digg, I'm switching to reddit and delicious.
      • bs0l, on 05/17/2008, -12/+10YEAH MAN! ONE MISTAKE IS TOO MANY! F THIS ***** MAN! YEAHHH

        L2internet
      • rebrad, on 05/17/2008, -10/+13I have to agree. Sloooooowwww is al that I can say about the new comment system. While it doesn't bomb out on Firefox, it might as well crash it unless you like to wait the 30 seconds it takes to load the crappy hard to read text. Probably enhanced for Safari. Another step backwards for Digg. Better sell soon Kevin.
      • haiduz, on 05/17/2008, -13/+3Or you could just switch to IE and use all of the internet that you like
      • bot001220, on 05/17/2008, -2/+4Yeah, I'm sure we're all going to miss "Makaveli604" and his gangsta thug ass -_-
      • Jus7in, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Please, expedite that.
    • justjeninsf, on 05/17/2008, -25/+211Hey all - first, we're fixing this issue.
      But, I wanted to chime in and let you know why Opera wasn't tested. As we're planning releases and testing we have to base some decisions on numbers. Unfortunately, Opera users account for such a small number (less than 1%) of visits to Digg, it's not a browser we can proactively test on. Please keep sending us your bug reports (support@digg.com) and we'll keep investigating issues as they come up.
      • theexitwound, on 05/17/2008, -36/+191% of Digg users is STILL a lot of users. I can tell you that not only myself, but all of my close friends who surf Digg regularly are Opera users. I'm sure we're not the only ones in this situation. What percentage are Mac users? or Linux users? Where do you draw the line?

        Hopefully, the bug can be fixed soon, though. I have faith in Digg.
        • tjdegroat, on 05/17/2008, -11/+5Yay for faith.

          This comment system is such an improvement; I'm psyched for even more Digg users to be able to take advantage of it.
        • AntzNZ, on 05/17/2008, -4/+18less than 1%
        • voyvf, on 05/17/2008, -1/+12I feel for the Opera users. Using Firefox, I've had my share of issues (with other sites) in the past.

          But having hit Digg on Windows (in VMWare), OSX, and Linux, I've not had a crash. This was using Firefox, of course, but I can easily imagine the situation being reversed. Unfortunately, when you're developing a feature for a site, it's easy to miss something, especially if it only affects %1 of the userbase. It's not a snub against you, it's just a normal, human mistake.
        • Laminarcissus, on 05/17/2008, -9/+23To re-phrase Jen's answer, you ungrateful sods, there appear to be complex problems that don't affect over 99% of the people who pay their bills, on one browser that, right or wrong, doesn't seem to work like over 99% of other browsers in this case, yet they're still fixing it.

          Oh, and Jen, I'm using a hacked version of Lynx in a DOS virtual machine running on my PalmOS smartphone, and I'm not seeing any graphics. Would you get on that asap?

          Thanks.
        • qwertydvorak, on 05/17/2008, -11/+6WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! less than 1%. polls have a bigger margin of error than users of opera....
      • TenebrousX, on 05/17/2008, -26/+122The last comments system was rolled out in June of 2007. Also, on the last townhall, didn't Jay say that Digg gets about 26 million uniques per month? So you've been working on the new comments system for 11 months and you never bothered to so much as open a page in Opera, the browser of choice for 260,000 members?
        • Laminarcissus, on 05/17/2008, -20/+56I know, 0.26 million members seems like a lot, but not when you have 25.7 million other members to worry about.

          Resources aren't unlimited in any project, especially one as large as Digg. They had to prioritize, and appeared to do it appropriately because all versions of IE and FF work fine. But Opera bit them on the ass. It happens. Now that they can come back around they're promising to fix it despite it being less that 1 percent of the user base.

          The only thing that they seriously appeared to underestimate, however, is the royal sense of entitlement on the part of a select few loudmouths. Fortunately, I don't believe they represent the Digg community as a group, or even Opera users as a group.
        • RobotChicken1, on 05/17/2008, -4/+50To be fair I would be pretty ***** mad if my browser of choice crashed on a site I frequent.
        • MWeather, on 05/17/2008, -2/+8Unless the site was compliant.
        • abandonedhero, on 05/19/2008, -1/+1A modern browser should be able to handle the webpage. If it can't, there's something wrong with the way it's being coded.
        • DarkShroud, on 05/20/2008, -0/+2@abandonedhero Opera is the most standards compliant browser as well as the most secure. They should have opened Digg in Opera at least once before launch the updated system. This comes down to the shotty Java script used on Digg.
      • thecosmicpope, on 05/17/2008, -10/+40No offense, but couldn't any of the development or test team just download Opera and try it? It's not like you had to install a whole new Operating System, or test hardware. It's just an application, and a simple one at that.
        • whereiseljefe, on 05/17/2008, -1/+26Assuming everything is as bad as they claim, even a single developer giving the comment system a 5 minute cursory glance over would notice such a fatal bug.
        • moto55, on 05/17/2008, -4/+6Its not that they didnt notice, its that they probably didnt have the time to fix the opera bugs before the deadline. Fixing bugs for something as complicated a comment system takes a lot of time
        • idomagic, on 05/18/2008, -0/+0I'm sorry, but why was there such a rush to push this new system out?
          "Don't fix it if it's not broken"...?
      • fkr3, on 05/17/2008, -31/+41You can't proactively test on Opera? *****. It's a 5 meg download and one other application to reach over and press "Refresh" on to see if what you're doing still works. Unless your mouse ways several kilograms making it a burden to move the cursor the extra inch, or you are in fact, dead, that's the lamest excuse ever.
        • Laminarcissus, on 05/17/2008, -28/+33I'll say it, because they're most likely too professional to post it themselves:

          Oh for chrissake, do you know how difficult it is to role out even small changes on a site this size? Of course you don't, because at most you've coded a few home pages for your cousin's yoga studio and a couple of local real estate agents, if at all.

          Yes fkr3, it's definitely just as easy as downloading a copy of Opera and hitting refresh a few times when you're running a top-100 web site, and managing an asset worth *at least* $40 million and probably much more.

          I'm old enough to remember when people were at least a little cautious when there was a risk they were talking out their ass. You, however, have elevated being an arrogant, under-informed, tin-pot oracle of self-important nonsense to an unfortunate new high.
        • fkr3, on 05/17/2008, -15/+18Umm, I hate to break it to you but they actually run seperate copies of the site so they can test stuff as they develop. They're not just slapping ***** together and uploading it to dozens of servers to see if it worked.

          Testing in an additional browser is not the epic chore you want to believe it is either. They obviously already test in multiple browsers, and if they're smart they do it as, not after, they're producing the code. It's one extra browser to hit Refresh in.

          Guess you don't learn everything flipping burgers after all.
        • Laminarcissus, on 05/17/2008, -8/+23Well I did flip burgers in college, and I'm not sure how you knew that, but I also happened to be paying attention in the classes as well.

          The "separate copies" you're trying to speak coherently about are, at different levels, often called sandboxes, development servers, and staging servers, all kept tidy by CVS or Subversion. But that's what you were trying to say, right?

          And it's not *testing* another browser that's the problem, it's having it be another variable in an already complex and expensive process. Do you seriously think they write the code and then gather all the browsers together and see whether they nailed it? That's fine for your cousin's yoga studio, but for an enterprise-level site they actually start by writing a spec with a detailed scope.

          That scope defines the target browser compatibility, and it's likely that Opera was out at that point -- it never even got in the game. Coding for it was not in the original spec, so they never even tested it.

          That's how these things work, because when you add a browser it *always* adds overhead to your development because all those browser's quirks need to be addressed in advance, evaluated, and the workarounds need to be evaluated in the context of how they will interact with the main code.

          You don't just hit refresh, see what broke, and dive in to wrestle with the code. That's Frontpage stuff.
        • CCB0x45, on 05/17/2008, -6/+8Laminarcissus,
          While it seems you do have a basic knowledge of the process of running a web app... you are still wrong. Honestly what the digg team won't admit is this was a mistake, they overlooked it. Opera is a very compliant browser, and they forgot to test it at all, I'm sure its a pretty simple fix and it is also a mistake. The real point here is there is actual people working on digg and actual people can make mistakes. There is a lot of other over looked bugs with the new comment system, personally I think they did a pretty ***** job with the little amount of features that they add to digg on a regular basis and how long this has been in the works for a company with almost 100 members.

          I know you feel like you are protecting them, but the way you are making it sound like testing for Opera is an almost impossible task and this was insane to be attempted to be avoided, is frankly: retarded.

          By the way I work at a major tech company in the bay area on web apps with a much smaller team than digg, and I also rather large web app developed by just me and one other person so I have an idea of the process involved in creating a web app, and this bug would have been easy to test and fix. (site plug(still in beta) www.sloshspot.com)

        • cwgannon, on 05/17/2008, -2/+8Now that everybody's off their soapbox acting trying to out-douche one another in being a pretentious ass, nobody has explained away how a 5 meg download and three-ish clicks is too much to ask.

          Shove all that other ***** aside. They could have ***** ignored Opera until the last day, tested it, and realized their mistake. At that point, oh web king, couldn't they have come up with a relatively simple patch to allow Opera users to continue using the old comments system, or at the least, presented users with an error message telling them that a fix is forthcoming rather than just crashing their browser?
        • aurelijus, on 05/17/2008, -5/+1I agree with Laminarcissus that it's not as easy as it looks to throw in additional browser and test it. However, such high traffic website and first of all __community__ website as Digg should care about those 260,000 users even if it's only 1%. Maybe that 1% makes much more content than users with other browsers?
          What is more, guys, leaving a bug that __crashes a browser__? It's not like comments system is not working, it's destroying the work user is doing while browsing Digg.

          And for now, we, Opera fans, are left just to pray when clicking a digg link.
        • firstpost, on 05/17/2008, -1/+3The thing is (I think) that they either choose to fully test it in a browser or they don't test it at all. To fully test the site in a certain browser is expensive because it takes a lot of time. They obviously picked the second choice on Opera.
          However, I would suggest testing in Opera because it is a very standards compliant browser.
      • GOVATENT, on 05/17/2008, -12/+40HA. What will it take to fix this? Another few months?
      • Drahkar, on 05/17/2008, -12/+75For all of you whining about Opera. The issue isn't looking at it in Opera and seeing the problem. Its opening it Opera, seeing the problem and then figuring out not only how to fix it but fix it and not have it break something else. When you have 99% of the people using the site having issues with the previous comment system you are going to address that 99% first. Those of course being Firefox and IE. Once those are addressed -THEN- you work on fixing the last 1%. Some people say that they don't want to belittle you. Its not about belittling. These sites make money on advertising. Unfortunately they are going to fix things for the ones who make them the most money first. Its simple economics.
        • fkr3, on 05/17/2008, -12/+13I'm sure someone will bother digging through the 20 or so JavaScript files they "need" to display this site looking for the culprit. Just after some sort of prize is announced for spending next week doing their job for them.

          The 99% argument is *****. Opera is virtually no trouble to develop for *and* it includes such things as a javascript debugger. The performance is absolutely terrible when editing a comment too... and in Firefox, a 'priority' browser for them. I can't even see what I type until about 3 seconds after I type it, apparently my quad core is not quite powerful enough to use Digg.
        • sancho, on 05/17/2008, -5/+9Well in Firefox, the UI is based upon Javascript, and is single-threaded. Only one of your cores is working on rendering Digg.
        • Laminarcissus, on 05/17/2008, -18/+45Maybe we should rename it Soap Opera to reflect the drama that some of its users appear to be addicted to.

          "Magdalena!!! El nuevo Digg ES MUY MAALOOOOO!!!!! AYEEEEEEEE"
        • randyrandall, on 05/17/2008, -2/+2My Core Duo 1.83ghz with Firefox has no problems with the reply field..
        • sandrock, on 05/17/2008, -1/+4From the comments I've read on digg over the past months, everyone on FF uses AdBlock anyways, so are they even really making any revenue from all those users?
      • Firehed, on 05/17/2008, -11/+4Happens frequently in the latest FF3 (beta5) too. FYI.
        • techie4life, on 05/17/2008, -2/+20Not for Me, and I'm running FF3b5
        • 1longtime, on 05/17/2008, -6/+2Yes, I've experienced occasional crashes on FF3b5 on Ubuntu Hardy Heron.
        • ascott9, on 05/17/2008, -0/+4I haven't had one crash with Windows XP Firefox 3 Beta 5
        • fLUx1337, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2I'm running FF3 RC1 and its fine here, not a single problem! ;)
        • 1longtime, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1I'm curious, how can any idiot actually digg down this statement? It happens in FF3. Period.
      • pixel4e, on 05/17/2008, -3/+20Comments don't even display on Konqueror .
      • jordyhoyt, on 05/17/2008, -8/+9Opera leads the industry in standards adherence, so it should be a first stop for any web developer in their testing process. Plus, any decent web developer will use ALL browsers they can get their hands on CONSTANTLY to make sure their stuff does what they want it to do. Hell, I used to check my myspace in opera, firefox, and ie back when I actually cared about how that looked.
      • GreenAlien, on 05/17/2008, -4/+8A website used by millions should be tested with IE, Firefox, Opera and Safari. They're all popular browsers regardless what the numbers say. Alot of Opera users had their browser set to identify itself as IE - don't know if that's still the case these days but if so then more Opera users visit Digg than site stats suggest.

        But failing that, run it by browsershots.org. A very handy web dev service and it's free.
      • fLUx1337, on 05/17/2008, -2/+6OK Sure, I get that, but I think its kind of bad nobody on the Digg team thought to test it on a browser, which while it doesn't have a big market share, isn't exactly Unknown, nor is it confined to a single operating system with a specific browser build with a specific plugin with a specific option set at a specific value (if you see what I'm getting at), it was on the latest versions of the browser on any OS.

        Safari doesn't have much more market share, but I bet it was tested on that, yes?
      • skinflute, on 05/17/2008, -1/+4I sure hope you report the bug before "fixing it" yourself.

        http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/
      • shank2001, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3In IE (what I am using to post this instead of Opera) it scrolls everything so I end up back at the top of the page every time I click on the expand triangle. Not as bad as crashing, but actually even more annoying.
      • tensvb, on 05/18/2008, -1/+3I guess now Opera users on digg will drop to 0% and you will have even better excuse not to test digg in 4 different browsers.
      • fearphage, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1I would like to know why the comment system has to be sliding around and moving and things of that nature. I want to open the page and see the comments. Reddit shows 500 comments per page and shows them just like you are looking at a static webpage. No transitions and js drawing the pages. Why and/or how is this system better?
    • oxdeltaxo, on 05/17/2008, -45/+43Why not just use firefox?
      • jmpeagle, on 05/17/2008, -39/+7why not use AOL? oh wait...some people don't want to use poor performing outdated ***** browsers
        • jeeky, on 05/17/2008, -1/+17Well it's a good thing that Firefox isn't an outdated browser!
        • LumpOfCole, on 05/17/2008, -1/+6Opera is an extremely well performing, bleeding edge browser with new features others are only starting to scramble to copy. It's fast, it's feature rich, and it has a great history with standards support. However, saying this, it's inexcusable for a company's browser to full-on crash due to reading Javascript (no matter how well the code is written). Nevertheless, Opera isn't perfect but it's incredible.
      • HigherLogic, on 05/17/2008, -6/+48Because some like to drive Porsche, others Ferrari.
      • Fosnez, on 05/17/2008, -23/+8Pfft, where do you think FireFox gets all it's ideas from... Opera thats where...
        • Spuy767, on 05/17/2008, -0/+13Nah, firefox doesn't steal ideas from opera, firefox just lets the people who develop plugins steal ideas from opera.
        • DarkShroud, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Opera invented tabs, tabs isn't a plug-in...
      • nemof, on 05/17/2008, -11/+4Why can't people use what ever browser they want, and the comments just work?

        Goddamn the comment system sucks.

        Just bite the bullet and use the slashcode comment system already.
        • searayman, on 05/17/2008, -1/+5I agree that it should work on every browser, but I actually liek the new system.
        • fjf314, on 05/17/2008, -2/+3Because of all of the reasons that have already been listed. They aren't working with unlimited resources.
    • MikeSD34, on 05/17/2008, -7/+61In my opinion a browser should never crash, javascript errors or not. This seems like a failure on both sides to me.
      • debtman7, on 05/17/2008, -3/+44Exactly. There is absolutely nothing a web page should be able to do that would cause a browser crash. If opera is crashing, it's absolutely a problem with opera. It may or may not have be digg doing something wrong with javascript, but without a doubt opera is mainly the culprit.

        Side note, it's not just opera that has these issues. I've been doing a lot of js development lately and can crash firefox 3.0b5 regularly when trying to access undefined variables in certain circumstances.
        • debtman7, on 05/17/2008, -1/+23You know what's really ironic? Posting that comment crashed Firefox 3.0b5...
        • abandonedhero, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1That's why it's a beta ;)
      • NOFXY, on 05/17/2008, -2/+3agreed, reminds me of a recent bug that firefox has with flash in linux. its very annoying. apparently if flash crashes it takes down the whole browser with it. I've heard opera runs flash in a container/sand-boxed mode so when it crashes you just see a blank page.
      • sc0rpi0n, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Agree. When a web page can crash a browser, it suggests flaws in the browser itself. If Opera literally crashes by throwing a fatal exception, you can bet it has vulnerable security holes. Hackers love crash report, because if they can reproduce the crash, they can design a special piece of exploit code to execute in your computer.
    • jabberwolf, on 05/17/2008, -18/+6Digg loves to use HTML standards,
      except when they can crash other browsers, then they are all for non-standards!

      Man, and you guys bitch about MS !?
    • xpose, on 05/17/2008, -23/+8How embarrassing. I would not be surprised if in a year from now. . Digg losses 1/4th of its traffic. It's been mistake after mistake. Not only does it crash Opera, but it takes forever to load the comments. . and it does it in an unorthodox way so you lose your spot while reading a comment.

      I refer to this way as the "digg way".

      Defined as being overly complicated to be unique or an attempt to impress others with their "skillz".
      • Dylson, on 05/17/2008, -3/+11What the hell are you smoking?
        • DarkShroud, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1It starts with a c and rhymes with rock.
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 05/17/2008, -8/+28If the same web code is used for the other browsers...
      It's an Opera problem. It shouldn't crash.

    • ryan926, on 05/17/2008, -9/+18***** THING SUCKS!
    • radu79, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Same here:
      Version 9.50 beta
      Build 9945

      And my comment settings (expand all) doesn't work.
    • rpgmaker, on 05/17/2008, -2/+2Nothing is perfect...
    • zxcasd, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1temporary fix: go to digg.com, right-click-> Site preferences... Scripting-> uncheck ENABLE JAVASCRIPT

      but u can't view cascaded comments or rely to one specific poster.... at least no crashing
  • Kylde, on 05/17/2008, -38/+24not here it doesn't (Opera 9.27)
    • ObamaWins08, on 05/17/2008, -22/+6WELL LADI_FREAKIN_DA FOR YOU !
    • yevkasem, on 05/17/2008, -2/+7i don't know why you were dugg down for contributing, it doesn't crash for me either. using 9.5 beta 2 on windows xp.
    • MonarchWastxD, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2Yeah I'm not sure why you're getting dugg down. Jealousy maybe?
    • mecmermun, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1I'm running the same- 9.27. I wonder what you're doing different?
      (I'm also running WinXP)



  • mecmermun, on 05/17/2008, -11/+35Well this sucks.

    @Kylde: I'm also running 9.27 and I get the crashes.

    (Commenting via Firefox)
    • TomTruelle, on 05/17/2008, -4/+9god damnit. also, sometimes ill see a comment with +1 digg (like the comment im replying too), Ill digg it up and itll suddenly go up to 15...
      • fjf314, on 05/17/2008, -0/+5I'm running FF3b5 on Ubuntu Hardy and while I haven't had any issues with it crashing, I've noticed this issue counting comment Diggs, too. I just dugg up a comment and it went from +1 to +35.
      • GreenAlien, on 05/17/2008, -0/+6I noticed that several times since the new comment system was rolled out. No way in such a short space of time a given comment has been dugg 30 or 40 times when it started out at 1 digg. Didn't experience that with the old system.
  • asebastian, on 05/17/2008, -5/+55i run opera 9.27 and it crashes everytime i click on a story.
  • Dimensio, on 05/17/2008, -7/+36I too am experiencing this issue with Opera 9.27 for OS X.
  • janeuner, on 05/17/2008, -46/+29Wait, the content of an http request makes a web browser crash? Switch to a not-broken-browser and stop complaining.
    • MrViklund, on 05/17/2008, -14/+19Agreed.
    • Hayaemsay, on 05/17/2008, -10/+22If it happened to Firefox would you be saying the same thing?
      • CynicSight, on 05/17/2008, -5/+14Well, yes. Firefox would be broken if it crashed because of a comment system...
      • dood, on 05/17/2008, -3/+14Of course. It would be hypocritical not to. Browsers should never crash due to arbitrary input they read from the Internet.
      • vault, on 05/17/2008, -6/+9I feel like the same people who use Opera are the same people who have a Discover card, the same people who drink RC Cola, the same people who smoke Winston instead of Camel/Marlboro.

        And before you say it, I've tried Opera on many occasions...every time I just can't get into it. Who uses this browser and why? It's like being different only for the sake of being different.
        • ssn697, on 05/17/2008, -0/+6I have Opera installed. That is the most I can say about it. Um, I try it now and then (now in the last two months, but now and then)?
      • Dylson, on 05/17/2008, -0/+10It WOULDN'T happen to firefox because it was a test priority. Firefox has a much larger user base than Opera and was tested more thoroughly.
        • theperson10, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately, it DOES happen to firefox
      • renegadeafk, on 05/17/2008, -6/+4Jeez, I use firefox, but opera is a good browser, what's with all the opera bashing idiots all the sudden?
      • janeuner, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1YES!
    • alpjor, on 05/17/2008, -3/+6In the meantime, this is the correct thing to do. We'll get Opera working again asap.
    • Makaveli604, on 05/17/2008, -33/+7Shut the ***** up *****. Use the browser before you insult it.
      • CynicSight, on 05/17/2008, -13/+7Have used it. On the Wii and my laptop. It sucks. QQ.
      • DooM, on 05/17/2008, -5/+10Buried for the first sentence - agree with the second.
    • SlechtValk, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately i have to agree with you if you say that web browsers should not crash whatever content they get served... but to switch is one step to far for me...
  • amnesiac096, on 05/17/2008, -21/+16Noticed the issue on my PC last night with 9.26 and then my laptop which has 9.27. What is digg trying to do? Get a decent comment system.
  • Dracker, on 05/17/2008, -7/+16Crashes opera 9.5 beta 2 on Windows
    • Dylson, on 05/17/2008, -8/+15OK WE GET IT THE ***** BROWSER CRASHES! WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP REPORTING IT OVER AND OVER!
  • RuelJ, on 05/17/2008, -15/+27geez.. I thought I was the only one having this problem.
    • DooM, on 05/17/2008, -2/+10I don't know why you're getting buried - I did, too. I was psyched when I saw someone had submitted this.
  • RuelJ, on 05/17/2008, -17/+1geez.. I thought I was the only one having this problem.
  • TheWindBlows, on 05/17/2008, -27/+47Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron

    About - Opera
    Version
    9.50 Beta 2, Build 1933
    Platform: Linux; System:i686, 2.6.24-16-rt
    Qt library: 3.3.8b

    Terminal output from starting opera on a digg comment page

    desktop:~$ opera
    opera: expiring font: family:freesans
    opera: expiring font: family:dejavu sans
    opera: expiring font: family:freeserif
    opera: expiring font: family:clearlyu
    opera: expiring font: family:courier new
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue: returning plugin name.
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue return
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetMIMEDescription
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetMIMEDescription return
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue: returning plugin name.
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue return
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue: returning plugin description.
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue return
    sh: /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer: not found
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue: returning plugin name.
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue return
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetMIMEDescription
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetMIMEDescription return
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue: returning plugin name.
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue return
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue: returning plugin description.
    GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x8073220: NP_GetValue return
    Segmentation fault
    desktop:~$

    http://xkcd.com/290/ at least it wasn't mario kart this time.
    • alpjor, on 05/17/2008, -3/+22awesome! Keep up the great bug reports!
    • talonstriker, on 05/17/2008, -2/+24Doesn't a segmentation fault usually mean that the program was coded incorrectly?
      • 0macro0, on 05/17/2008, -1/+5yup
      • GiggleStick, on 05/17/2008, -0/+10Or that one of the libraries it uses is incorrect. There's something called a stack trace that will tell you exactly where the seg fault happened. Any good library should be impossible to crash. If given bad input, it should detect it and ignore it. This isn't always possible (buffer lengths, etc.) Sometimes, the input to a library that makes it crash isn't necessarily incorrect, merely unexpected.

        In short, it's complicated. I guess usually, though, it is.
    • DemDude, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Why would anyone digg this guy down?

      Well done, Dude, Feedback needs to be as detailed as possible!
      • mrynit, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1way too long and not useful posted here. All he had to say was OS and opera ver.
    • MonarchWastxD, on 05/17/2008, -3/+2Jeez, post that in a forum that cares, or something.
  • MrViklund, on 05/17/2008, -50/+22That's why I don't run the unreliable browser Opera.
    Firefox >>> Opera
    • DeskFlyer, on 05/17/2008, -12/+9The problem isn't with Opera.
      • MrViklund, on 05/17/2008, -10/+6Why does it crash then? Clearly Opera.
      • PKO17, on 05/17/2008, -5/+6@MrViklund

        And when a website crashes Firefox it is IE's fault for encouraging poor coding, not Firefox. That's very mature of you Firefox fans.
    • GOVATENT, on 05/17/2008, -4/+8I am so sick of these people ranting about how Opera is not a browser. ***** off. You dam fan boy noobs. I do use firefox (becuase of a few plugins) but used to use Opera and I think opera was better than firefox 2. I do have to say this new firefox 3 has been so much better. To bad google won't update their Google Sync Plug in. BTW, if anyone would care enough to, please digg http://digg.com/software/Google_Sync_and_Firefox3 and leave a comment in the google group. I am hoping to get google to update google sync for firefox.
    • Alegoo92, on 05/17/2008, -3/+6Thanks for your impertinent opinion.
  • joeldsouza, on 05/17/2008, -3/+25Oh no wonder even mine kept on crashing....
    As there were many tabs open I couldn't figure out the culprit
    • ganus, on 05/17/2008, -2/+9I had the same problem today and couldn't figure out what was going on.
  • dhVyse, on 05/17/2008, -41/+13Yep, pretty pathetic, happens to me as well, using crappy firefox for digg...
    • TenebrousX, on 05/17/2008, -13/+11Using Firefox is such a pain (no decent mouse gestures, among other things) that I just use Opera with javascript disabled on digg
    • SPThom, on 05/17/2008, -13/+8Say what you will about "crappy" Firefox, but Digg doesn't crash my browser. For all the *great things* Opera is supposed to do, it seems to fall down on some elementary things, like a common-sense UI, and a lot of AJAX.

      I use Opera on my phone... but only until Firefox goes mobile.
      • talonstriker, on 05/17/2008, -2/+11speak for yourself...the old comment system crushed firefox regularly.
        • Loonacy, on 05/17/2008, -0/+4Did it really? I never had any issues with it. It just locked up for a few seconds while the page was loading if there were a lot of comments.
        • talonstriker, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2It had a lot of problems with too many nested replies.. I suppose I can excuse digg and FF for that. But the code for embedded videos was really woeful (maybe it still is...haven't seen a video w/ new system yet)...if I clicked on a video link the browser would freeze for a good 20 secs before it was usable again. Popular videos with a lot of comments was pure hell.
      • GOVATENT, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2firefox has gone mobile (technically) Skyfire. Its in its second beta for windows mobile and i think nokia devices. I have been using it on my phone from day one. It is great. Youtube and Digg on my windows mobile phone. Something IE mobile will never do.
      • dhVyse, on 05/17/2008, -1/+3And also it isn't the browser it's obviously the script.
        • theperson10, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1Weeeell...
          no.
          browsers should not be crashed by scripts.
          rather, they should warn that there's a screwed up script and stop the script execution
        • SlechtValk, on 05/19/2008, -1/+1That may be true, but I have to agree with theperson10, a browser should never crash because of some kind of bad script.
  • WallnutBoy, on 05/17/2008, -20/+7{sigh}

    This page will be chock full of Anti-Firefox, Anti-Opera, Pro-Opera, Anti-IE, Pro-Firefox and Pro-Safari comments. -_-
    • Vhaeos, on 05/17/2008, -2/+3So long as they aren't retarded anti-Digg comments it's not so bad.
    • Makaveli604, on 05/17/2008, -1/+4I'm going to make a few of those anti-digg comments.
    • yevkasem, on 05/17/2008, -0/+5but the opera users won't be able to read them ;).
    • theperson10, on 05/17/2008, -0/+0FWIW, normally I would be on the Pro safari camp, but my latest version of safari (Version 3.1.1 (4525.18), Mac OS X) is having serious issues with links that open in new windows
      as in, If you click the link, NOTHING HAPPENS. you have to right click and "open link in a new window".
      Also, Opera crashes here too, but Camino (Gecko based Mac OS X native, like firefox, but better integrated with OS X)
      has no problem.
      so, right now, Camino for the win
  • cl2yp71c, on 05/17/2008, -20/+45Had to switch to IE to digg this.
    • RexMaxus, on 05/17/2008, -6/+87I am so sorry.

      Really, I wouldn't wish that on my enemies.
      • morningchai, on 05/17/2008, -3/+13I was thinking just that as I opened the replies. Haha.

        Yes, you have my condolences, as well.
        • netneutrality, on 05/17/2008, -11/+8Internet Explorer.... is not.... that.... bad. Really. Rendering is ghastly but at least it's a bit zippier than Firefox.
      • dsgamer, on 05/17/2008, -13/+9whats wrong with IE7? or is that firefox is suddenly the browser all the cool kids are using? I'll admit that I used firefox during the IE6 days but IE7 completely blew firefox out of the water and I'm not sure if ill be looking back.
        • arcticblue, on 05/17/2008, -4/+15FF3 > IE7.
        • GiggleStick, on 05/17/2008, -1/+10Blew it out of the water, or caught up? What's new in IE7 that wasn't already in FF? It's a serious question. I'll admit it seems faster, but at what cost. Does it take shortcuts in rendering? Use secret API calls. Do weird non-standard tricks with the Web-Server. (These are all things they've done before.) Also, I have hundreds of tabs open in FF, and it runs well enough. Used to be worse. I've never tried that in IE. I wonder if it would fare as well.
    • bs0l, on 05/17/2008, -12/+31Firefox.

      Just wondering, in all seriousness, not trying to be rude, why the choice of Opera/IE?
      • nullx42, on 05/17/2008, -12/+26Hes afraid he might like FF, and never go back to Opera. Sure Opera has ***** built in, But FF has a ***** of add ons that surpass Opera's capabilities
        • HigherLogic, on 05/17/2008, -6/+32Firefox is like a Honda Civic. You can make it go as fast as Porsche, but only after you add a bunch of upgrades. There's other reasons why users prefer Opera over Firefox, and if you think it's addons and toolbars, then you're sadly mistaken.

          Besides, there's no addon to make Firefox as fast and lightweight as Opera. By the time you finish downloading all your addons just to be "up to part" with Opera out of the box, you've bloated it beyond recognition.
        • arcticblue, on 05/17/2008, -2/+14That still doesn't explain why he would fall back to IE instead of Firefox. To expand upon your analogy, it's like he would rather drive his go-kart than his Civic when his Porsche breaks.
        • Psythik, on 05/17/2008, -6/+8"Besides, there's no addon to make Firefox as fast and lightweight as Opera."

          Yeah there is, it's called Firefox 3.0rc1. I'm running it on a PC with an 800MHz PIII and 128MB, and it's fast as hell. No joke.
        • DarkShroud, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Why revert to IE instead of FF when Opera doesn't work? Simple, Opera not working is so rare that we Opera users don't have FF installed. So when Opera doesn't work there is only one other choice of connecting, IE. Since IE7 is not that bad there is no point in going through all the trouble of installing FF with 20+ add-ons to meet the usablility standards we're used to when it would only be used for 1 site.
      • minigamer1896, on 05/17/2008, -1/+9Because some people don't know about Portable Firefox, and don't wish to install it.
        I'm currently using Portable Firefox, as MSIE 7 is torture and this isn't my computer.
      • JasonMaloney101, on 05/18/2008, -0/+4Because I'm not installing Firefox just because one website I frequent decided to support IE7 over Opera.
    • krye, on 05/17/2008, -1/+7I had to change to Firefox. I prefer opera since it's a lot faster on my PC than Firefox.

      Really frustating.

      Btw, I really like the new comment system, just wished it worked right.
      • shawn1122, on 05/17/2008, -0/+9Similar scenario for me, Opera is light years faster on my system since its like a Pentium 3 with 256 ram (my laptop died on me) The comment system seems nice, lets hope they come up with a fix soon.
  • kurupttek, on 05/17/2008, -30/+26Nelson said it best

    http://www.seomoz.org/images/upload/simpsons_nelso ...
  • SilentSpyder, on 05/17/2008, -19/+10I had to resort to the hog that is Firefox. Sigh.... Well at least it's not IE.
    • Lukesed, on 05/17/2008, -2/+7Speaking as a former Opera switcher (I went netscape>opera>firefox 1>opera>firefox 3 over the years), Firefox beta 3 uses far less memory than version 2. It is also faster and way more stable with stuff like gmail and Digg than both Opera and Firefox 2.
  • awillis1, on 05/17/2008, -5/+7Damn it!

    Version: 9.27
    Build: 709
    Platform: Linux
    System: i686, 2.6.22-14-generic
    Qt library: 3.3.7
  • dupswapdrop, on 05/17/2008, -21/+55Firefox 3.0b5 was crashing for me also! I miss Opera it's much faster than any of the other browsers.
    • tgrk35, on 05/17/2008, -6/+82nded in both respects.
    • dfltr, on 05/17/2008, -3/+9although 3b5 is fast as hell, it's still not entirely stable (the js performance increases appear to be pretty shaky still). i wouldn't recommend using it to browse digg. a related bugzilla entry is here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43328 ...
      • Doji, on 05/17/2008, -0/+4The js is FAST though :D. I'm in love with 3b5.
      • renegadeafk, on 05/17/2008, -1/+5RC1 is out now.. doesn't crash at all.
    • alpjor, on 05/17/2008, -0/+28we're working on that one as well. FireFox's new JS engine in 3.0 is fun fun fun!
    • ieure, on 05/17/2008, -0/+22We're aware of the problems with Opera and Firefox 3b5. Unfortunately, it's hard to track down the source of the problem when your only tool for looking at it is what's crashing.

      The bug in Firefox predates the comments launch, the Mozilla developers are aware of and working on it:
      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43328 ...
      • voyvf, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2I've actually seen something of an improvement since the switch to the new comment system. I just updated, myself, so it's hard to say conclusively...

        Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9pre) Gecko/2008051604 Minefield/3.0pre
    • joestump, on 05/17/2008, -2/+9I found FF 3b5 to be unusable with the new comments. I downgraded to FF 3b3 and all is well again. We've contacted Mozilla about the issue and they're definitely aware of it as @ieure and @dfltr have pointed out.

      As for the Opera bugs we're working on it. We hear you loud and clear!
      • TheSwashbuckler, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2Do you have adblockplus installed?
        • TheSwashbuckler, on 05/17/2008, -3/+2FF3 crashed on me about two seconds after I submitted that comment ;-)
    • ieure, on 05/17/2008, -3/+11Also, it appears that disabling Firebug solves most (perhaps all) of the Firefox 3b5 stability problems. I'm posting this from FF3b5 right now, and it hasn't crashed.
    • burketo, on 05/17/2008, -8/+17i have been using FF3b5 since it came out and i haven't found a single bug, new comments sytem included. i used opera for a while but i didn't like it. i found that it gets buggy on a good few sites.

      generally i think FF > Opera
    • Paranoidmarvin, on 05/17/2008, -3/+5I've got the pre-release of the RC1 on Mac, and I've not had any problems with Digg at all.
      RC1 seems a lot faster on Mac too
    • SPThom, on 05/17/2008, -2/+4I've seen some general stability issues with Firefox 3 seemingly related to Firefox, but none so closely linked to Digg comments. I don't think I have Firebug running either.
    • acatzr800, on 05/17/2008, -1/+6ff3b5 is fine for me.. Firebug shows up as incompatible still for me, so I haven't added it back in.
    • TaterSalad77, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Firefox 3.0b5 works fine for me too. I'm on Mac as well. Maybe the FF bug is platform specific.

      What I'm running:

      Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9b5) Gecko/2008032619 Firefox/3.0b5 ID:2008032619

      Extensions Installed:

      Adblock Filterset.G Updater 0.3.1.3
      Adblock Plus 0.7.5.4
      Cache View 1.61
      Forecastfox 0.9.6
      FoxyTunes 3.0.1
      Greasemonkey 0.7.20080121.0
      Nightly Tester Tools 2.0.2
      Tamper Data 10.0.3
      URL Fixer 1.4.3
  • lrrpage, on 05/17/2008, -7/+4ok... Now I know why it was crashing all of a sudden! I use Opera 9.5 b9981...
  • NGliam, on 05/17/2008, -12/+48It's pretty fast for me, but I'm using Firefox. Opera has about 5% usage rate I think (can't be bothered checking any facts) but I'm sure quite a high percentage of digg users use opera because it has a pretty good reputation, if Digg didn't test on Opera that is a pretty big oversight =o
  • staffell, on 05/17/2008, -14/+7takes ***** ages for me, and I'm using firefox
  • kbeeveer46, on 05/17/2008, -2/+8While we're on the subject of Digg bugs... Click on the Upcoming link under the search text box. Next, click on "images" in the right "Hot In All Topics" sidebar. It shows you the top front page images, not upcoming as it should and as it used to because I used it all the time.
  • Lososaurus, on 05/17/2008, -45/+66Use firefox instead?
    • latova, on 05/17/2008, -13/+44No, because then we're no better than a few years ago when websites were all made for IE6 and they used to tell us to use IE6 instead of firefox.
      • Niten, on 05/17/2008, -2/+5Apples to oranges. The problem here isn't that Digg is necessarily using non-standard CSS or HTML that causes it to render incorrectly in Opera, as was often the case in the IE6/Firefox days; the problem is that Opera has a bug that causes it to crash on Digg.

        It's not Digg's responsibility to hack around with their code to prevent poorly-written web browsers from crashing. Until Opera fixes the problem, you'd be well advised to use a more stable web browser.
    • Makaveli604, on 05/17/2008, -18/+10No.

      Have you tried Opera?

      Firefox and Ubuntu are ***** monopoly whores, jesus. The users don't even try other browsers.
    • crownedgriffin, on 05/17/2008, -11/+7I'd rather (and am right now) use IE7.
    • DeathGod321, on 05/17/2008, -1/+10Get off your high horse. The last comment system crashed firefox on the first day while opera never crashed with it. I didn't tell anyone to switch to opera, although a few people did and they got buried accordingly. Even ignoring this fact, the only thing firefox has on opera is add-ons, many of which cause instability and memory leaks. I would prefer that opera remains the silent minority. Things tend to become bloated as they become popular because the typical user likes to see eye candy over functionality.
      • jm1234567890, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Memory leaks are largely fixed in the latest version of Firefox.
  • thewump, on 05/17/2008, -9/+38Huh? I'm using Opera and it seems perfe *poof*
    • antdude, on 05/17/2008, -6/+2How are you able to "Save Reply"? [grin]
      • Viend, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2He used Firefox.
        • antdude, on 05/18/2008, -1/+1So, he typed "Huh? I'm using Opera and it seems perfe *poof*" in Firefox? :D
  • alpjor, on 05/17/2008, -4/+84Thanks to everyone who has been submitting information to this story. We at digg are hard at work on this issue and will have a fix as soon as we can. I'm going to be monitoring this story, as well as the story on the new comments system for anything that our users can help with. Bug reports are awesome! Thanks for all the help.
    • LumpOfCole, on 05/17/2008, -1/+12Thank you for looking into it, alp :)
    • Makaveli604, on 05/17/2008, -24/+17You didn't think to try this browser EVEN ONCE in the ***** beta stage?
    • Maver1c, on 05/17/2008, -2/+3Thank you for trying to work this out, we reallllly appreciate it. Please fix at as soon as possible =)
    • bxblox, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1You may find a workaround, but I doubt the root of the problem will be fixed. People here are just upset that their browser is crashing and blaming digg without considering the possibility that the browser may be at fault.
    • skmice2, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Thanks for looking into it alpjor - we all (Opera users) appreciate it!
      ====
      Faulting application opera.exe, version 9.27.8841.0, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 5.1.2600.2180, fault address 0x000111de.

      User Agent:Opera/9.27 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en) => WinXP SP2
      Build number:8841
      Popups:Block unwanted
      Java:On
      Plug-ins:On
      Referrerlogging:On
      Proxy:Off
      Encoding setting:
      Display mode:Strict
      Load images:All
      Normal cookies:Accept
      Third party cookies:Refuse
  • sandrock, on 05/17/2008, -3/+9Confirmed with Opera 9.27 on Vista Ultimate x64
  • phoenixp3k, on 05/17/2008, -1/+5I wonder if custom CSS or Javascript may be causing issue. Let me try and disable them for Digg.com
    They seemed to be disabled already, let me look up the comments.... what?! Oh well my window is gone... I tryed...

    It happened to me with Opera 9.5 on both Linux and Windows. Any Mac user can confirm the problem?
  • Duggan360, on 05/17/2008, -25/+16Get something other than opera then?
    • erveek, on 05/17/2008, -4/+9This page best viewed in IE at 800x600.
    • Charun, on 05/17/2008, -4/+24A good site should work with any browser.
      • dood, on 05/17/2008, -2/+5A good browser should work with any site (if you limit "work" to "not crash", at least).
        • Maver1c, on 05/17/2008, -2/+2It's too bad that Opera IS a good browser, otherwise your statement would be valid.
    • HigherLogic, on 05/17/2008, -2/+6Everyone who's telling Opera users to get Firefox needs to take themselves back a couple years ago when the exact same thing was said to them regarding IE6. Don't be so hypocritical. We don't _want_ to use Firefox, thank you very much.
    • Fosnez, on 05/17/2008, -4/+4You can have your Ford, i'll keep my BMW thanks...

      /Opera user
      • vault, on 05/17/2008, -4/+6except Opera is more like a Yugo than a BMW.
        • blah667, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1more like a lambo to be exact.

          PS: no crash here. Fixed already?
  • sjbdallas, on 05/17/2008, -10/+20This is my one big complaint about DIGG. They don't seem to recognize the need to get their changes tested on a variety of platforms. They just throw something new out there and wait for something to break. That last comment update didn't work in IE for awhile if I remember right.
    • rssolo23, on 05/17/2008, -4/+4...kind of like Microsoft.
    • Frozenball, on 05/17/2008, -2/+1Maybe it's just me, but I don't think browsers should crash even if the website is badly coden. And yes, I'm afraid that every browser crashes.
  • tech10171968, on 05/17/2008, -1/+6Opera 9.5 Beta 1962 on Debian (Lenny) - Digg front page and Digg Spy seem to work well enough, but browser will segfault when viewing comments. Segfault does not occur when javascript is disabled. Firefox 3b5 seems to work well enough on all accounts.

    So I guess it has something to do with the way Opera handles javascript.
    • idomagic, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Same experience here, with JS disabled opera doesn't crash

      Version 9.50 Beta 2 Build 1933
      Xubuntu 7.10
      Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
  • UGM2099, on 05/17/2008, -20/+9Opera is a pain in the ass of web designers. Just saying.
    • an0nflux, on 05/17/2008, -3/+12Yeah..because it's so hard for web designers to follow web standards correctly. Just saying.
      • UGM2099, on 05/17/2008, -4/+6I've created strict validating pages that work perfectly in all browsers but then Opera borks them.
        • blah667, on 05/17/2008, -0/+5lol. Give a link. We'll see. Until then you're just babbling out of your ass.
  • CaptShmo, on 05/17/2008, -1/+8tried two version of opera, both crashed. i also have the igoogle homepage with the digg gadget and am noticing crashes even when i'm NOT on digg ever since the new comments system has been unrolled, don't know if the two are related, but basically opera is becoming unusable. please fix this if possible, opera is a pretty great browser if you give it a chance.
  • andyduncan, on 05/17/2008, -28/+184Both Opera users are going to be LIVID!
    • Maver1c, on 05/17/2008, -16/+19FF fanboys make me T_T. Opera is my preferred browser for a variety of reasons but I don't need to bash another perfectly legit browser like FF to make myself feel better.
    • dfltr, on 05/17/2008, -1/+15ha! i'm going to print that comment out and put it on alpjor's desk ;)
    • brotherfranciz, on 05/17/2008, -0/+7I'm the other Opera user and I am LIVID! I'm using Firefox to post this comment...

      I have a funny story: I use the Opera RSS feed. I just finished watching a movie and was going to check out the Digg feed, I saw this article (among others in the feed)... guess what I did? I clicked on the link, and Opera crashed.
    • brotherfranciz, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Oh, I also forgot to mention: you know how Opera allows you to "continue from last time" if it crashes? Well, if you don't close the Digg tab in time Opera crashes again... Luckily there are also the options of starting with saved sessions, homepage or blank page.
  • manacit2, on 05/17/2008, -9/+9Opera crashed loading this page :( and firefox does every now and then as well..
  • wiretapped, on 05/17/2008, -28/+6It's time to start the I HATE KEVIN ROSE MOVEMENT......
  • MrViklund, on 05/17/2008, -27/+9Opera is bad. It can't even handle digg.
  • omgsideburns, on 05/17/2008, -23/+5wtf is opera?
    • BabyWookie, on 05/17/2008, -1/+7It's a free web browser, kind of like Mozilla Firefox, only it doesn't look like an open source hack-job and is much more functional.
    • Maver1c, on 05/17/2008, -1/+3opera.com

      try it before you bash it. take the time to learn about its features, you just might like it as much as the countless other people that use it.
  • Mudcrutch, on 05/17/2008, -3/+14Another problem.. if a story has a lot of comments and you are trying to get to the bottom the page KEEPS expanding and you can never make it. Very annoying.
    • NOFXY, on 05/17/2008, -2/+4wait for it to load?...
    • ascott9, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2I get pissed because if I go off the page and i'm like 500 comments down and then I come back, I have to expand every 50 comments to get back to where I am.
  • Borgcube636, on 05/17/2008, -21/+3IE FTW!!!
  • four444, on 05/17/2008, -23/+9***** Opera then.
    Use good ol' Firefox?
  • Nachoes, on 05/17/2008, -35/+22Digg me down, but... who cares about Opera?
    • drmobutu, on 05/17/2008, -6/+7Linux users, who got sick of Firefox crashing all the time...
    • neuens07, on 05/17/2008, -3/+9So... You obviously knew people cared about Opera when you said "Digg me down, but..."
    • Omano, on 05/17/2008, -5/+3Ha. My thoughts exactly Nachoes
  • acatzr800, on 05/17/2008, -37/+28who cares...
    IE, FF, Safari. Thats all you need. Since when does 0.00002% market share matter?
    • DeathGod321, on 05/17/2008, -5/+14The same could be said about apple, but they're all over the frontpage.
    • Fosnez, on 05/17/2008, -2/+171.4 % of the internet uses Opera:
      http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a ...
      So before you open your mouth and speak, perhaps you should check some numbers:

      1,407,724,920 internet users http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
      1.4% use Opera
      Therefore:
      19,708,148 People use Opera
      Thats the Population of Australia!
      • twiztidsinz, on 05/17/2008, -3/+11And your point?
        Since when has Australia mattered?
      • MacSuxWindozSux, on 05/17/2008, -0/+5The Point:
        When the number is so small... it's important to be precise.
      • HaMMeReD, on 05/17/2008, -2/+3All 19,708,148 people who use opera are technical enough to use another browser that works.
        Opera is only good in the mobile sector, which might account for most of that 1.4%.
        Also, It is impossible to predict duplicates in that count and the distribution of opera users amongst them. But I suspect that a high # of Opera hits are made by people who have alternative browsers available to them and are perhaps double counted in the statistic.
        Point is, as a developer you need to draw the line somewhere, where do you want it, Opera 9?? Firefox 1? IE 6? IE2? Links?
        The goal is to reach as many people as possible with the least amount of work possible. Getting that last 1% can be incredibly challenging and not worth the effort. Especially when the other 1% does have a compatible browser available to them, and the technical know how to handle it themselves.
        • rssolo23, on 05/17/2008, -2/+2...yeah... cause 19,708,148 people that can potentially visit your site is not worth the effort.

          /sarcasm
    • igob8a, on 05/17/2008, -7/+1Ew, no Safari, but I agree with IE and FX (it's not abbreviated FF)
  • masterm1nd, on 05/17/2008, -3/+11It is the biggest pain in the ass to go back to your comment and read replies. Sometimes it goes right to the specific comment branch, but sometimes it loads the whole frickin page and takes over my scroll bar while it's doing it. And then it takes forever to find the comment. I also think it's harder to follow a conversation with a lot of comments and comment branches.
    /firefox
  • travistubbs, on 05/17/2008, -13/+23I tried giving Opera a try to see what all the hub-bub was about and to try and familiarize myself with the different browsers available. Sadly, and I know this will upset a few people, but it just seemed too Windows 3.1 to me. This is obviously in reference to its GUI. I tried changing themes but that feeling did not go away.

    I still need to go back to Opera to play around with it some more to get an idea about page rendering, but I hope they can polish up the interface a little more.

    Don't worry, though. I'm using Firefox 3 on a Mac right now and this Comment box is going crazy (automatically resizing itself back and forth) which is making it VERY hard to write this comment. It still does it when I click outside the box. What's up with that?? Crap... now I gotta chase the Save Comment button. Wish me luck.
    • BabyWookie, on 05/17/2008, -15/+10LOL. You use Firefox and you think that Opera's UI is "Windows 3.1?" That's hilarious. I am forced to use Firefox right now to view the Digg comments and I can't believe how crappy it looks and works. I can't wait to go back to Opera. Opera at least looks like a professionally-developed application and not some open-source hack-job.
    • brotherfranciz, on 05/17/2008, -0/+4GUI? Are you sure that is what you mean? To me, it seems Firefox is not as customisable as Opera in terms of relocating buttons etc. to create a clean UI, Firefox actually reminds me of XP... (i.e. In XP, you can't remove the Recycle Bin, can't relocate the Start button, can't reorganise the windows on the taskbar - unless you download specific hacks, which funnily enough reminds me of Firefox's extensions...) Whereas Opera feels like it gives me complete control over its appearance and how I want it to work.
    • mschoolov, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Try a skin called Tango CL, you can find it under Top Rated. It's very clean and unobtrusive.
  • talonstriker, on 05/17/2008, -34/+25geez why are many of the opera users so elitist?
    • Enternal, on 05/17/2008, -9/+18Just as why many Firefox users are elitist. They just a bunch of other people who think what they use is the best of the best. It sure is annoying seeing these people sometimes.
      • B3bomber, on 05/17/2008, -1/+4Honestly, I use a mix of IE7, FF (version 3, I don't intend to have anything with a 200+ MB RAM load unless it's a higher end game), and Opera. Why? Because they all work good at something. In that respects they ALL fail because I can't use any of them 100% of the time.

        As for the fan boy crap I keep seeing, knock it off. Until your pet browser works perfectly whenever/wherever I chose to use it, it's not the best. Don't force people to use things just because you like them.
        • gl77, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1ok, now why dont you go over there in the corner and simmer down. nobody likes a know it all.
    • an0nflux, on 05/17/2008, -1/+13I use firefox religiously, but I love Opera. There are elitists on each side, because people want to justify their browser preference somehow. It's like religion, I suppose.
    • twiztidsinz, on 05/17/2008, -5/+6Opera Users are the Mac Users of the Windows world
      • an0nflux, on 05/17/2008, -3/+1Opera is cross platform...it was even developed for Mac before Windows too ;D
      • shawn1122, on 05/17/2008, -0/+4Oh come on, there are enough people on here and in the others new comments system story that say "get a real browser" and "w00t w00t firefox ftw!!" and stupid ***** like that. There are elitists on both sides for sure.
    • minigamer1896, on 05/17/2008, -3/+5Well...
      * We rarely have to let go of the mouse due to the HIGHLY refined mouse gestures (FF's plug-in doesn't near cut it.)
      * Or we can choose to only use the keyboard
      * Built-in irc, POP, IMAP, & news email client, bittorent client, notepad, and widget support
      * It can hide to the tray
      * You can run it on Linux, Windows, OS X, your cellphone, the DS, the Wii, etc.
      * Web designer's dream platform with all the tweaks that can be easily obtained on how a page is rendered
      * More...

      Basically, it is the internet power user's platform of choice for an all-in-one solution.
      • twiztidsinz, on 05/17/2008, -2/+3As soon as they add AddOn's support for Opera like they have for Firefox, then I'll give Opera its credit.
        1&2 are simply a matter of preference -- personally I hate the mousegestures and I can do all that I want to do with the keyboard in Firefox.
        3 I admit having IRC built into the web browser is a plus, but i can do that with an AddOn in Firefox. Built in Mail? BitTorrent? pass on both. I like Thunderbird and uTorrent thanks.
        4 Firefox can too
        5 Firefox supports multiple platforms too
        6
        7 MOAR!

        And I am a former Opera user and do feel its a great browser.
        But there are things (addons) I cannot live without and I honestly find the amount of customization available to Opera overwhelming at times. Same thing with Azerus.
        K.I.S.S.: Keep It Simple, Stupid.
        • melonhedd, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Opera does support addons. They aren't XUL trash though.
      • BabaRamDass, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2"Built-in irc, POP, IMAP, & news email client, bittorent client, notepad, and widget support"

        As if these are things that belong in a WEB BROWSER.

        I like Opera, and I prefer FF, but some of the rationality people have for using one over the other amazes me.
        • Elvaanish, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3You forget though, it isn't adding those things at the expense of speed. At this moment, it is the fastest (launched) web browser, if i recall correctly FF3 beta is beating 9.27, or nearing it, but then opera 9.5 beta turns around and kicks FF3 beta back out of the pool.
          You cant really call bloat when it is the speediest, smoothest and most responsive browser on the market.
          Load on a dozen firefox addons though, and you will defiantly notice a speed hit.
      • gerryk, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Ah... now I get it... Opera is Emacs
      • sid007i, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3It's also 10x faster that FF imo.

        paste and go, good layout, uses less resources, and much smoother
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 05/17/2008, -5/+2There aren't many so they need to work harder to defend their turf.
  • ljsmithx, on 05/17/2008, -24/+6I like playing Guitar Hero 3 on my PS3.
  • jmpeagle, on 05/17/2008, -16/+19i mentioned this on the article yesterday about the new comment system...got no response from any of those who work at Digg

    I hate using Firefox now....it feels like I have retreated to using AOL or some other outdated *****
    • eLuminx, on 05/17/2008, -2/+10i will 2nd that sir, i hate having to use FF in ubuntu, i have been using opera since v.5 and i have never looked at anything else. Now i'm forced to use FF and Epiphany because of this stupid bug. Hopefully it gets fixed soon.
  • doubledowndan, on 05/17/2008, -3/+16Confirmed.

    Version 9.50 Beta
    Build 4506
    Platform MacOS X
    System 10.5.2
    Java Java Runtime Environment installed
    Browser identification Opera/9.50 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X; U; en)
    • enicholas, on 05/17/2008, -1/+5Worth pointing out that this is 100% Opera's fault. HTML + JavaScript should not be able to crash a browser, no matter how badly coded -- if it does, it's the browser's fault.

      Same concept as crashing an OS. If a badly coded program crashes itself, it's the program's fault. But if it manages to take the entire OS out with it, the OS is broken. No user-level program should be able to bluescreen Windows, for example.
      • LumpOfCole, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1You know what, it's true. I'm as strong as an Opera supporter as they come. It's one thing if Digg didn't load or display right at all on Opera, but if Opera is actually crashing due to Javascript issues, then it is indeed a problem with Opera. I love Opera, but the Opera devs can't let bad Javascript crash their browser in a viable stable release.
      • shawn1122, on 05/17/2008, -2/+1I also love using Opera, but if anyone else here uses facebook chat or anything like that, its clear that Opera is somehow lacking in the javascript side of things. If I have facebook chat enabled, the page takes 20 seconds to fricken load, with it turned off, only 3 seconds. And its virtually unusable for me if I have it on, its EXTREMELY laggy, perhaps partly due to the fact that I have a slow system. But facebook chat works perfectly in Firefox at the same time. So really, I'm not surprised that the new comments system crashes Opera, I'm kinda used to Opera falling short on certain things. I use Digsby for facebook chat now, works like a charm. And the only reason I stick with Opera is because it is the fastest browser on my system by far. It loads faster, it loads pages faster, the ui is more responsive. So I really don't want to switch, and hopefully I won't need to. Opera really needs to do some work on fixing how it handles javascript I believe, its starting to fall behind badly in that area.
        • Maver1c, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1hm, I agree that opera has javascript issues, but I've never had those problems with facebook chat at all.
      • exclipy, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Sure, it is Opera's fault for crashing, but I'm sure there are also cases where Firefox or Safari or whatever will also crash. But we never see major websites that crash these browsers because the web developers find these crashers in testing and put in workarounds for them. It's just unfortunate for an Opera user like me that because of its small market share, some developers don't see the need to test in it and we sometimes get (usually minor) problems with websites. This case was in the extreme - it makes both Opera and Digg look bad.
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