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computeradvice.mikebinns.net — The recent front page post that shows how often "computer experts" are asked for help with their computer. If you are one of those people, keep a link to this handy and give it out, it is aimed at the home, non-tech-savvy computer user. It will show them how to clean out spyware/viruses, defragment, install Firefox, and much more.
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- sotjian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+77It got to the point that if someone asked me what I did for a living, I'm a network admin, at a party I told them i installed drywall. No one wants to talk about drywall.
- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37Your plan may backfire tho, i had my first experience doing drywall recently.
Lets just say that I would much rather fix a computer than put up drywall... (actually its the plastering thats the worst part) - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Plastering is the easy part... until you're mudding a corner where your buddy thought that air bubbles in the paper were acceptable.
- DCstewieG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Another time I recommend you lie: strip club. Yes I like computers. No I don't want to talk about them during a lapdance, thanks.
Actual "conversation" during:
"What did you major in?"
"Computer science"
"Oh I bet you could help us out then. The computer where the girls sign in is messed up."
Now she wasn't actually asking for help, just trying to make conversation, so fine. But that's it for me. From now on I'll be like George and say I'm an architect. - dagr8tim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14hey, I've got this big honking hole in by living room wall, what's the best way to fix it?
- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12bed sheet & duct tape
- Konquest, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Install Firefox... Everything can be fixed by installing Firefox... :)
- thecrystalship, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have been drunk enough to eagerly discuss drywall and drywall application. Sad, but true.
- Kruncher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I sell propane and propane accessories...
- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37Your plan may backfire tho, i had my first experience doing drywall recently.
- jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+93People won't use this site. People don't want to learn about their computer, that's why they ask you for help.
- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -45/+5Its had 31,000+ unique IP's hit it in the past few months... People are reading it and recommending it.
- ThaRub3X, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28Perhaps because you submit to digg, and then spam the digg link on other digg articles? Marked as spam.
- detlev409, on 10/12/2007, -13/+25Agreed. Buried as spam.
Now bury me for redundancy!! - r0ssta, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I completley agree. My biggest problem with helping others (family, friends, friends of friends, etc) with their computer is their unwillingness to LEARN. They don't understand that no one knows everything about fixing computers - but by experience and learning, we're able to dissect and solve the problem.
It's as if non-technical people feel they have the inability to learn how to use a computer, and would rather just ask an "expert" to do it for them. - panique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Who cares if people use it or not? I can simply say "I'm not very good at repairing computers, so when I need help, I go here: ___________". For me, this is a solution to the problem of people milking me for computer help without alienating them.
- MitchAubin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You're right but if we don't help them, they'll probably prefer to read a bit on that site than to pay 20$ per software installation at the nearest future shop or staples...
- themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -35/+3http://digg.com/software/No_I_can_t_fix_your_computer
GO here. OMFG.- mikedpirone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Completely different article just similar names. Calm down!
- popfrogs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yeah I know, that was my first thought too when I saw 2 similar article names in Firefox's rss feed (live bookmark). However, I have this strap on my leg that prevents knee-jerk reactions like your post.
- ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Along with confusing Google Ad's that will redirect them elswhere.
gg- kefs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Agreed..
The ads limit the assistance potential this site has. Neophytes aren't as smart as you think. Remove the ads, and try again.
- kefs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Agreed..
- HanSolo69, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15sooo...will this help if i can't access the web? no, no it won't.
- skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27I can just see it now....
"No I can't fix your computer, but here's a website that can help"
"Website? What's a website?"- HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I fix computers for my in-laws.
They offer to pay in cash but I just smile and say, "no, I don't take cash... you pay by BABY SITTING!!!!!!!!"
I'm waiting for one of them to wear a shirt that says, "no, I will not baby sit your kid in exchange for fixing my computer."
- HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I fix computers for my in-laws.
- HanSolo69, on 10/12/2007, -30/+4"http://digg.com/software/No_I_can_t_fix_your_computer
GO here. OMFG."
did you miss the part where these are 2 different stories?- ThaRub3X, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Did you miss the button that says "[reply]" ?
- TheTankengine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15How To Dominate Annoying Trolls
brought to you by ThaRub3X - panique, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Did you miss the part that says "nobody gives a ***** about what you have to say"?
Oh, you did? Well, here, let me help:
Nobody here gives a ***** about what you have to say.
HANDT - tomi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"Did you miss the button that says "[reply]" ?"
Well, actually it's a link, not button...*whistles*
- BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I have to say, that with automatic updates, and avg set to auto update, and having my "users" just leave the machine on, I don't get that many complaints anymore.
I tell them, want to browse shady sites, use Firefox. Its not perfect, and you're not safe, but you're better than with IE. Still, now that you can remove some of the "drive by downloads" that IE is so famous for by just using the AddIn manager, things are even easier in IE world.
My users - parents, inlaws, younger sister & brother in law, (3 accounts - 1 box) all keep things moderately tidy. I just run AdAware whenever I am at the machine and its not that bad.- ThaRub3X, on 10/12/2007, -30/+2Why would you tell them to use a browser that has been studied, and found to have way more exploits than IE?
- TheTankengine, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14A swing and a miss! Ouch
And ThaRub3X is now batting 2-for-3. - kefs, on 10/12/2007, -16/+1If anyone is trolling, it's you TheTankengine..
- ThaRub3X, on 10/12/2007, -22/+3Lmao. Well they digg me down because they either
1.) Don't read the facts
2.) In bed with their precious browser
3.) Aren't willing to hear the truth
I mean if you want the browser with the least exploits, it's def Opera. It's also the most useable. I dislike IE as well, but it has less exploits than firefox, and that is proven. - BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Seriously?
I have never had magic stuff appear on my desktop after browsing in Firefox. I have, however, had that happen in IE. I know there are security settings to set, but they aren't there by default. And when someone calls you everytime they want to check their webmail and you have read them their user/pass again, do you think I can walk them through that?
Firefox, while it may have more holes, aren't holes that are targetted. Security through obsucurity - and while Firefox is not obscure in anyway.. its not the most used browser. People write for IE attacks mostly, and only Firefox for 'cred'. - ThaRub3X, on 10/12/2007, -19/+2"Security through obsucurity"
......
"I have never had magic stuff appear on my desktop after browsing in Firefox. I have, however, had that happen in IE. "
I've never had that happen with a patched version of IE. Lay off the Russian kiddy porn sites or something. - Archer1980, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Why is this turning into a browser war again? everytime there is an article about security it turns into a browser war at least ONCE in the comments. WHY? We all know IE 6 sucks for security, but is more family to people that don't know much about computers, so they use it. Firefox is great, if you know something about computers and know what an extension is, which say 70% of computer users don't have a clue about. Opera, don't even get me started with that piece of crap, it's been the cause of more headaches lately then i care to remember around here, and IE is still in Beta but so far people i've talked to like if far better because it's much more user friendly for them "there quote, not mine"
As for the comment about a person calling to get there login and password because IE doesn't save it, umm, i find that to be a smart move on ie's part because i do not want to have my users going to different computers and having it save there loggin information because they haven't got a clue and them coming to me when someone goes into there email account and starts reading things. I'd much rather tell them there login and password again then try to explain to them how someone hacked into there email account and sorry i can't get back anything they deleted or stole you are out of luck.
Again, i repeat, Firefox for people that know something about computers, IE 7 for people who haven't got a clue how anything computer related works. Don't want to support a user that users IE 7, fine, send there contact information my way i'll gladly offer them support.
Now, can we please get back to discusing the article, which i find can be a half decent resource for people just getting into the computer field (students) or as a nice read for computer professionals who want to know a little more without getting to far into details. - panique, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Saying Opera has the least known exploits is the same as Cingular saying they have the fewest dropped calls. When you have the smallest userbase, such claims are easy to make.
- SCAdvanced, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The site is ok I guess. But I agree with jonnyeh that people won't use it. If they can get someone else to do it, they will. A lot of people are afraid to do anything to their computers.
In addition, the links on the right are annoying, and after browsing through two pages, I suddenly was asked for my email address for a reminder service of some sort. Which didn't have a close button.
Buried as Spam! - ZippidyDoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I wouldn't use it because the site looks like *****.
- dohdig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Cousin = 35year old female
Cousin asks "Do you know where I can download music for free?"
I reply "Do you know what bit torrent is?"
Cousin reply's "I have heard of it"
I reply "Ok, open your browser..."
Cousin reply's "Is that on my screen saver?"
...I bang head on wall and say "I have another call...ttyl"
Why do n00b's refer to the desktop as screensavers?- MuffinMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22I was asked by people to BT for Music/Movies/TV a while back...I wanted nothing to do with that SO,
I explained the concept of how BT worked and then they just left me alone.
Techno-Babble Dominates the minds of the weak! - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -21/+4Good job teaching her how to steal.
- ThaRub3X, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Good job humping the RIAA's leg.
- Archer1980, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Personally i won't teach anyone how to download anything, music included, if someone asks me i just say iTunes. If someone doesn't know enough about it to know where to find it, then they don't know how to keep themselves from getting caught, and if they get caught, it comes back to me because i told them how to do it, and then all hell breaks lose.
Tell them about Torrents, no thank you. - dohdig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I ended up sending her a list of "good" download/music sites:
launch.yahoo.com
napster.com
rhapsody.com
virgindigital.com
...She left me alone since then, aside from asking me to fix her tv's remote control, since I know computers, ya know! - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Ahh, the 15 year old digg mentality shown perfectly in 2 comments. Mine with -13 diggs because it's apparently cool to steal software and music, and the other with +13 diggs because he's fighting the MAN and the EVIL CORPORATION!!111
- Darkness123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4dohdig: My family is like that as well I can fix PCs, they also think I can do the settings for the TV/VCR/DVD/Washing Machine and Cooker Clock and just about anything else that uses electricity.
- zolox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It's not that they are all 15yrs old its just alot of them were smarter when they were younger authority didnt respect them then so now they still fight against the authority.
- popfrogs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@akinder:
Who said anything about copyrighted works? She could be downloading PBS programs, Mozart and other classical works in the public domain, podcasts or anything else legal.
I bet you're a real exciting guy at a party. "Hey hey hey, wait a minute, if that DJ is playing a song with a computer I'm getting out of here before the RIAA SWAT team storms through the door. Seriously I'm checking all his licenses to make sure he's cool."
- MuffinMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22I was asked by people to BT for Music/Movies/TV a while back...I wanted nothing to do with that SO,
- NaterGator, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5This site is iffy.
It boldly states that things such as:
"Registry Cleanup programs are dangerous in that most contain some sort of spyware"
"Memory Cleanup programs are dangerous in that most contain some sort of spyware"
Pretty sweeping generalizations there. This is definitely a "one way to do it" method, even though there are plenty of options not explored here. Maybe thats okay for the average home user, but it wouldn't hurt to keep the misinformation toned down.- panique, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Sweeping generalizations? Yes. Unjustified? No. There are quite a few spyware outfits trolling for new users under the guise of providing a beneficial service to the user. Telling a user not to fall victim to such social engineering will only confuse them. Telling them specifically not to download "Registry Cleaners", particularly free ones, will help them stay out of trouble.
- richardiscool, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Great! And the first thing it does is teach them how to install ActiveX programs...
- Archer1980, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Whats wrong with ActiveX programs, i find them to be a very good concept, and probably a necessary tool, or at least a step in the right direction to moving more applications to the online world and away from desktops. When it was first designed it was a great idea, it's not there fault that some losers out there decided to turn a useful invention into a way to commit crime. It's like Guns, guns were designed for wars, and hunting, but get used in school shootings, does that mean guns are fundamentally flawed? no, it just means some retard is ruining a good thing
- VSLOATHE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Glad you mentioned wars as a good thing. I was worried I might have to read through the rest of your comment. Thanks for saving me a bunch of time!
- akinder, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Make sure you give them a link to Bestbuy or somewhere so they can install 1GB of RAM to run Firefox with.
- BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I'm assuming that because firefox uses so much ram? True, it can be a fat boy.
But IE, the usage there is hidden. Oh, you were talking about Opera.
I write .Net apps for a living, and I develop using Opera. I find it to be the closest proximity to Safari. Opera can suck up quite a bit of ram too. I've had it use over 200 meg, just leave it open long enough. - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I don't believe I've ever had Opera take more than about 40-50mb on my machine, that was with Opera 9 too, the-everything-but-the-kitchen-sink build
- popfrogs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Damn dude, are you and TehRubex having a trolling competition today? I'd say at this point you're in second place but keep working on it buddy.
- BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I'm assuming that because firefox uses so much ram? True, it can be a fat boy.
- blinkfink182, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7He recommends only Dell computers, there are better choices than that.
- Archer1980, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Honestly, for the regular user who doesn't know anything about computers, i recommend Dells as well. They are cheap, and if they only want the computer for school work, email and surfing, they don't need to go out and buy a fancy system. I'll recommend a dell long before i recommend anyone go to a local retailer like Staples or Radio Shack to guy there computers. Granted, i live in a smaller comunity we don't have a lot of choices.
- goat4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37No I can't fix your computer but here is a website that will help...
http://www.google.com- Archer1980, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6haha, i'll digg just for that comment! really, is there anything google can't do!!!
- VTmruhlin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Damn! Beaten to it!
Here's a website that can help with some of the really obvious ones:
http://www.*****.com - SuperCow1127, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3God, if only I can digg that up more than once. Too many times have I told someone they should ask my friend google (he's real smart).
- cosmotic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Watch the video on how to remove applications. This person is crazy. Right click, open. Right click, open. Its bold for a reason. It means its the defualt action. Theres no need to right click, then click open. Just double click.
- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11You cant show the viewing user that it is a double click, so right click is used.
a user could watch you double click but not know what you did and be lost.
- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11You cant show the viewing user that it is a double click, so right click is used.
- zadadka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If people wanted to learn how to manage and housekeep their PCs, they wouldn't buy dubious versions of Registry Cleaner & the like....
- leonbev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Why on Earth are they telling people to uninstall all of their AntiVirus software, and install Avast instead? That's silly. If someone already has a working and up to date AntiVirus program, use it!
- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Because the standard home user sees the 30 day trial of McCrappie installed from 3 years ago and says "I have Antivirus"
- hodet, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Hey that's great, thanks! I'll check it out as soon as I FIX MY F******** COMPUTER!
- lburgguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Ditto to all the above. My wife and her family call the computer a hard drive. Then my wife's hard drive crashed and when I told her I needed to replace the hard drive she freaked thinking I meant the entire computer. And what century are we living in???
- crapple, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Nothing new, but I've just known about better links for awhile:
http://www.ubuntu.com/
or
http://www.apple.com- dickeytk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11i would never recommend ubuntu to a n00b, yeah it might be easier to use than other linux os's, but apple and windows are still way easier, and support from other people is much greater than any linux os
- zolox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yea I'm using ubuntu now, and i got a couple friends usin it, but I'm still teaching other friends to be more competent with computers before I introduce linux, such as learning to use cmd and to just run commands. I don' t feel like explaining apt-get and sudo and other commands to someone who isnt motivated to learn it themself
- popfrogs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I can picture a noob sitting down at a fresh Ubuntu install.
"Ok where do I click to play a dvd? Where is teh intarweb? Where did all my myspace pictures go? Why can't I use my webcam with other Yahoo and MSN users? Damn this thing sucks."
Not to say there aren't ways around most of these problems, but unfortunately for the average dunce, Linux will never be acceptable.
- ckawalek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This kind of stuff is exactly why I created a Computer Maintenance List for all my friends... It's a very general list of computer programs everyone should run and if they haven't read the whole thing than I'm not bothering w working on their computers. Cuts down on almost all of their problems and saves me a ton of time:
http://www.rktekt.com/ck/Computers.html
Any suggestions on the most general stuff to add would be great- dagr8tim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1One of the first sites I tell people to visit is http://safety.live.com and run the full service scan. This takes care of windows updates, viruses & spyware (supposedly), and tell you if you need to defrag.
- dagr8tim, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1If you insist on using a Windows PC & can't fix it, try http://www.protonic.com Those guys are great a fixxing almost any PC problem free.
I tell people to go there when they ask me about fixxing their computers.
(shameless promotion) - striker1211, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Any Peer to Peer (P2P) Music Swapping Software - Peer to Peer Music Swapping programs are riddled with spyware and constantly re-install the spyware when you delete it. Plus, as much as you don't think so, it is stealing. If you continue to download illegal music, you deserve all the spyware that comes with it :P. In addition to that, many people are being sued by the MPAA and RIAA for their or their children's P2P usage.
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Umm... wtf? Then under that he lists Ares as having spyware, which it does not. Marked as lame, learn the ***** facts. - liuite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2some of the info is outdated; now avast is only free for a trial period. Dell may not be the cheapest any more now that Michael Dell realized it was the wrong move to out-price their competitors. Beside, given the amount of problems such as faulty capacitors...I would be afraid to recommened any brand. I tell people to go with the cheapest that suits their need, and get 3 year warranty...although you can get dirt cheap 3 year coverage from Dell from time to time.
- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Avast is still free for home use, just checked the website, no trial, just free
- barius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Avast sucks, AVG is much more efficient and doesn't require registration.
- vendingo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1NOD32 by Eset is the best IMHO and experience with many others.
- josh4rim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I would be a great site if it was easily for my grandma to navigate. Until he simplifies the design no average Joe will understand it.
- vendingo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The videos are piss-poor. If I didn't know what icons he was clicking on (due to poor resolution), I would be lost and close the site immediatly - which I did anyway. I think he's trying to get ad dollars, mainly. Not informational.
- jstem1994, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1My mother-in-law will just call me with her latest spyware infestation, and my step-dad can barely get on AOL. But a nice idea I suppose....
"I've got this stupid message about porn. It says click here, and when I do..." STOP CLICKING ON IT! - wmhunter, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Amazing find and great site. Very nice user interface, any average computer idiot could use it. The videos are poor quality, but decent enough to be viewed without issues.
- TheTankengine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It is not a find. The site belongs to the submitter. Even if it wasn't, it most definitely wouldn't be a good find. The interface is crappy with pop up boxes and ugly colors. The layout is horrible and the topic descriptions are not intuitive. Many grammatical and spelling errors and way too many ads. The videos don't increase the quality of the site in the least.
In conclusion, this site is pathetic spam.
- TheTankengine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It is not a find. The site belongs to the submitter. Even if it wasn't, it most definitely wouldn't be a good find. The interface is crappy with pop up boxes and ugly colors. The layout is horrible and the topic descriptions are not intuitive. Many grammatical and spelling errors and way too many ads. The videos don't increase the quality of the site in the least.
- stray, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Buried for asking people to install an ActiveX control.
- wallclimber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@stray: "Buried for asking people to install an ActiveX control."
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Yes, that was my first thought too, I cringed at seeing the ActiveX installation as being the first step. Yikes.
I used to send people to this site: http://www.techguy.org/
It's free, and has a great spyware cleanup section with very patient moderators that walk newbies through the process step by step.
They have sections for hardware, as well as a Linux section. I got a lot of excellent help there when I first began experimenting with various Linux software. It's free and the people who help used to be pretty nice. I haven't logged in there for over a year now, so things may have changed, but it still would be better than the site that this article points to.
- wallclimber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@stray: "Buried for asking people to install an ActiveX control."
- Irco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5wow...that's a really ugly site
- jmickey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1And apparently its designed for 1280 x ? because his floating right menu covers the page content at 1024 x ?.
I mean I don't really strive to be 800 x 600 anymore but that's a bit wide for almost everyone. - Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You can collapse the checklist on the right
- jmickey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1And apparently its designed for 1280 x ? because his floating right menu covers the page content at 1024 x ?.
- DooDooFace, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Buy a Mac (and don't use Windows unless necessary)
- mdman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Thats a pretty crappy site, if I sent people there I would get more calls than I do now!
The guy needs a webmaster for sure - nixdoctor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Copied and pasted from the site:
"Progress Tracker Update
(Click the checkbox and click next to update the progress checklist)
I am running Windows XP"
Damn! There's only one choice --> I'm running windows XP! Can't I run windows 95,98,ME,2000,NT? I wish these guys "expand" their current website to include other operating systems as well - other versions of windows, Mac OS and Linux. Tough task, but if wikipedia can be done.... ... ....- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The idea is that if you are not yet running Windows XP on your PC, you should upgrade to it.
- nixdoctor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I upgraded myself to Ubuntu. Thank you very much.
- Cputerace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yes, and im sure the average home user who cant install antivirus on his own can figure out how to download, burn, boot off, and install ubuntu.
- Elohim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is so far down on the comments list no one is going to read this, but if you have alot of people who ask you to fix there computer. Buy a medium to large 1.8inch HDD and a IDE-USB cable.. back up all there crap, format, reinstall. Install programs they want and make a big folder with all there crap in it. This seriously is the easiest way unless its just a dumb virus or spyware.
- jatkins679, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think this all really depends on who you're dealing with.
In our corporate environment, we often do just that. It's just a cost/time thing: faster and thus cheaper to rebuild than to hunt down and kill a virus... which may just come back anyway.
For friends, they often/usually don't have the installation discs for all their installed programs. So copying data then blowing away the HD isn't very attractive.
But with my side gigs, if they are willing to pay, then I'll do whatever they want. I don't do computer work for free for friends/family anymore. It isn't fair to me, my free time is a zero-sum game. If I'm going to do more work, I should be paid for it so I can buy some free time at some other point.
- jatkins679, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think this all really depends on who you're dealing with.
- anymir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Any program that mentions "Spyware" or claims to remove it
EXCEPT
Microsoft AntiSpyware
Ad-Aware
Spybot Search & Destroy"
This is idiotic. There are far more than 3 spyware cleaning programs that are safe.- jatkins679, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well, I think the implication is that if you didn't install anything other than those three spyware applications, then who did? If you didn't, then it shouldn't be on your computer.
If you're reading that website, then you almost certainly didn't install any spyware application before. So, it really isn't an 'idiotic' suggestion if you think about it.
- jatkins679, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well, I think the implication is that if you didn't install anything other than those three spyware applications, then who did? If you didn't, then it shouldn't be on your computer.
- jatkins679, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some/many good suggestions. I like how the directions were written, too.
But if you are a corporate user, check with your IT team first, before you do anything (especially mucking around with your hosts file). - Goner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1from the site: "If you don't already have Windows XP, upgrading is essential. Operating systems prior to XP are simply too unstable when it comes to spyware and viruses."
I call ***** on that one. Windows 2000 is perfectly capable of utilizing antivirus, antispyware and firewall utilities. - tomi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Norton (or Symantec) Internet Firewall or Internet Security -
This program is installed on many computers by default. It is basically useless and gives you a false sense of heightened security, while slowing down your computer and adversely affecting your network connection. I have had so many problems with it corrupting internet access to sites that I recommend you uninstall it from your computer. If you are using a Network Router such as a Linksys, DLink, or Netgear, you are safe from outside attacks." (quoted from site)
dugg just because of that. - BrowserBabe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm not a computer science so i admit i have asked for help from my friends who are, but i always try to make sure that I'm not bothering them. I also ask because I do want to learn more about my computer and how to use and fix problems with it. I'm not a computer expert, but I know quite a bit. I get irritated when i try to help my parents with all their computer problems because they don't want to learn how to do it themselves. As someone who enjoys teaching people I find this so frustrating, however I think many people, especially the older generation who have limited computer experience, are scared of their computers. They are afraid to experiment and try to find the answers because they fear they might lose their files, programs, or simply screw up their very expensive computer.
At least this is what I have seen from my limited experience. I was once in a Technologies for Teachers class....and the woman next to be thought i was a computer genius. I laughed because I'm not even close. Although I do love computers and want to learn more....so I Digg this! Thanks! 0;) - rigwit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0thanks bro, a spot to quickly cite and defer the inevitable conversation that follows is appreciated
--
A good question is never answered. It is not a bolt to be tightened
into place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the
hope of greening the landscape of idea.
-- John Ciardi - spacebar14, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This'd be great IF:
-I recommended Avast
-I recommended Windows Defender
-I recommended anything to do with Windows
-I recommended a site with obtrusive AJAX overlay ads - randysouth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I used to work in phone tech support for a large computer company which shall remain nameless. I've had people call the tower all manner of things including:
The Hard Drive
The Modem
The Motherboard
The Floppy Drive
The CD-ROM
The Calculator
Because I didn't have time to fully explain to them the error of their ways, I just bit my tongue and went along with them doing my best to fix their problem. I'm so glad those days are over! - xamox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That site looks like vomit.
- DiScDuCe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This article is very one-sided and is using all MS solutions... Clearly a poor decision for users who wish to keep a clean system in the long run. Programs like Spybot and NOD32 are vastly superior to Symantec and MS tools. I have nothing against those companies its just that their competitors are time tested tools that work time and time again..
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http://evden-eve-nakliyat-150.nakliyatrehberi.name - arlene1985, on 12/01/2007, -0/+0I don't like ZoneAlarm despite it is highly recommended on may forums by professional IT specialists. First, it messes up with registry. Uninstalling ZA is pain in the ass. Then, it is slow and not quite reliable. Go for Xoftspy http://xoftspyantispyware.blogspot.com from Pareto Logic Inc or Spysweeper http://spysweeper-download.blogspot.com by Webroot, Inc. if you're after commercial solutions. Or choose SpyBot Search & Destroy which is free solution to anti-spyware protection for personal use.
- ak2ok, on 06/07/2008, -0/+0Microsoft makes the windows. right? theres no doublts about that! Then why not get Microsoft to remove all your viruses, and other windows problems? http://www.kamrock.net/liveone.htm
Why do people download thirt part virus scanners, anti spywares and adware removers? Because Untill now, Microsoft did not have a proper anti virus program. But now they do, and its called Live OneCare!!
Third party virus scanners like AVG and norton are viruses themselves, there i said it!
but heres why!
think about this, if our world does not have any viruses, then Norton and AVG and most definately going out of business, and they wouldn't like that, would they? Exactly now you are thinking.
Only Microsoft Know how to fix their windows problems, no other third party can do better than microsoft!
Its time to remove you norton and avg and download Live one care. But wait! Its not east to remove Norton or avg from your computer, i wonder why? because they are viruses themselves. One you get them, they never want to leave you!
Download Microsoft Live OneCare now and it will help you remove norton and avg too, so what are you waiting for? its now or never, so do it now!
Get Microsoft Live OneCare now, full version, free for 90 days at http://www.kamrock.net/liveone.htm
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