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Opera 9.50 Alpha released!

my.opera.com — Major performance improvements, better standard compliance, improved site compatibility, bookmark synchronization, and more... Warning: Alpha release. Changelog: http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/w950a1.html

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  • anmol2k4, on 10/27/2007, -13/+62Every thing i wanted :).
    IMO Guys there will be little reason to use Firefox now !!.
    • chris4404, on 10/14/2007, -2/+16Awesome!
    • bovester, on 10/22/2007, -1/+16I'm the same way, used to be an avid Firefoxer but now Opera is the only browser I use!

      Just wish more plugins were available, and that their Javascript support was better for drop-down menus and such...
      • Flinty, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Agreed. The extensions are the only think keeping me with Firefox.
        • moofer, on 10/10/2007, -9/+1Where is your exclamation point? Every post above yours, and the title of the article have included at least one. You are dugg down for being incomplete. It is obvious that Opera users love shouting, and you are not a true Opera user. - Note the complete lack of exclamation point in my post.
      • shethinkmefunny, on 10/14/2007, -1/+8Agreed. Opera is the only browser I use for Windows. Been using 9.5 for about an hour now and so far I'm very impressed with it. The rendering engine runs circles around IE and FF in terms of speed, and is even faster than 9.23, which rules. Unfortunately, the Linux version still has a ghost or two in the code and it always locks up on me, so I still use Firefox for Linux. Here's hoping 9.5 changes that :)
      • SebHughes, on 10/14/2007, -2/+2Opera Till I Die.
    • elvenseven, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17It's WAY faster compared to Firefox especially rendering these fancy Ajax effects on Digg. Diggs not displaying well on it btw.

      http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/626/messlb7.jpg
    • audi100quattro, on 10/27/2007, -28/+5meh... let me know when Opera has as many extensions as Firefox.
    • Neiby, on 10/27/2007, -20/+3Opera still sucks compared to Firefox. The only thing Opera has going for it is speed. It is extremely fast, far faster than Firefox has any hope of being. Regardless, Firefox has better plug-in support including a real ad blocking extension. With customizable extensions, Firefox can be made to do exactly what you want it to do most of the time. Opera simply can't.

      It's fast, though. Like marsupials.
      • frenchy64, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Its really helpful on computers (like mine :) ) who have a small amount of RAM... 12 or so tabs open and about 120mb RAM used. (I have 512mb total)

        I love Opera, even though I have to live with its oddities :( Kestral is truly awesome too
      • thegreatanti, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Neilby: the truth is too hard for Opera fans. LMAO
    • SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5There are x86_64 builds for Unix now. If they managed to keep straight compatibility with x86 plugins, this is a major winning release.
    • ronoxQ, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4Out of the box, Opera on Windows goes much faster than Firefox does. It has more features, and it's what most people are going to need from a browser.

      That said, it's not nearly as customizable as Firefox is. Things like Google's toolbar, its FTP system, its music player, or even site systems like StumbleUpon or del.icio.us aren't available for integration.

      It really all depends on what you want in a browser.

      (I also think Firefox's theme is prettier, and that matters to Joe Everybody. :-) )
      • thalon380, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0stumbleupon works on opera just go to www.operastumbler.com and drag and drop the buttons you find there, using stumbleupon in opera probably increase his memory usage in a few KB (a few MB for firefox) plus you can choose which buttons you want ant where you want to put them (sorry for my bad english)
    • Ridikul, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3and that little thing is called AdBlock Plus.
  • Zoialord, on 10/10/2007, -2/+37Very nice release and fast as you can get
    • moofer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8There is always a way to be faster. But... it's faster than anything out there. That's for sure.
      • keyo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0safari/webkit is faster at javascript to be honest. But the features in opera pwn. I want my view bar back though!!
    • keyo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I did some tests of my own: (HP dv2111tx laptop, 1.67Ghz C2D, 1GB ram, win xp)
      Javascript test: http://celtickane.com/projects/jsspeed.php
      In order from fastest to slowest
      Safari 3.0.3 (fresh install): 255ms~
      Opera 9.23 (1 weeks use) : 500ms ~
      Opera 9.50alpha (fresh install): 860ms ~
      Firefox 2.0.0.6 (3 or 4 ad-ons) : 1110ms~
      IE 7.0.5 : 2130ms~

      I dunno why the alpha is slower!! Anyway the top three browsers all use the Troltech QT library, coincidence??
      However on my ubuntu desktop 1.8Ghz amd, opera got huge times 3000ms~, konqueror(860ms~) was much faster than firefox(1350ms~). I have tested opera in kde and got much much lower times. The QT based browsers are certainly much better at handling diggs comment system, I've had firefox crash on me reading comments.
      I'd like to see what results others get...
  • gmjonker, on 10/22/2007, -3/+44omg... bookmark synchronization... finally!
    • nurriz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10This was the main reason I changed to FF from Opera in the first place, and it's really the only extension I use. I'm taking this puppy for a drive :)
  • RyomaNagare, on 10/10/2007, -2/+27Been using for least than 5 minutes, and I already love it. most of the site specific anoyances that broke my opera 9.23 are now fixed.

    i can't wait to try the mac build this evening...
  • exclipy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+28Opera once again demonstrates its prowess in innovation with the new feature list - such as the full history search.
    • ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That is why I keep supporting Opera while I am a licensed Omniweb user (OS X). Browser scene really needs innovation and competition. Seriously, we have total 4 different engines out there. IE/Mozilla/Webkit (KHTML) and Opera. There is also iCab(.de) featuring some amazing engine but sadly it can't advertise like them.
  • NikoK, on 10/22/2007, -4/+41So at version 10...there should be no need to use any other browser but Opera...Since it's clearly a godsent browser
    • Neiby, on 10/10/2007, -22/+1God would not send a browser with such ***** plug-ins, no usable ad blocker and no support for the Google toolbar.
      • Yazilliclick, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17People use junk like google toolbar? wow. I mean the only people I ever see having any crapy resource munching toolbars hacked onto their browsers are the computer illiterates who are running spyware infested zombie boxes and using ie 6 or earlier.
        • Neiby, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2It is a resource hog, but it has a couple of features that I love and use all the time. It's a trade-off I'm willing to make for the functionality.
  • kermithefrogand, on 10/27/2007, -34/+5is this really enough to replace firefox? ok, i didn't think so!
    • daonlyfreez, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Oh, the brainless fanboys
    • LucasVB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Oh just drop it. As long as IE loses market share, we all win.
    • Yazilliclick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Haven't been using Firefox for years now. Opera is quite frankly superior in most areas other than plugins and since it does everything I want from a browser as is (no need for ANY plugins) it's far superior.
    • DonutGuy, on 10/27/2007, -9/+2If Opera fails with some site, I use IE. Why install that bloat of a browser when there's one far superior built into my OS?
    • Rob223, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Opera - like firefox, with way more features and better display of pages.
    • acoot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1you are so pawn3d

      am sorry for you.
  • Piedramente, on 10/27/2007, -20/+8It will take a lot to pry my grip from FireFox!
  • DagMX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17downloading...hopefully a lot of non-opera compatible sites will work better now..
    • DagMX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6downloaded.
      sites that weren't working in opera 9.2 are working great now.
      Scrolling is much better than firefox and web-pages load faster. very nice.
      History search works exactly as advertised.

      Now to wait for them tor release Opera mobile 9 for my p1i.
  • Weejay, on 10/10/2007, -24/+3You just got to love fanboys and their "There should be no need to use any other browser blah blah blah". Too bad that 98% of the market proves them wrong, heh.
  • wang1011, on 10/27/2007, -3/+41wish more people knew about opera, firefox may have more potential but requires searching for all the plug ins, whereas opera is hot right out of the box
  • someguyouknow, on 10/10/2007, -7/+11Great news.
    Now if only Adobe would fix Flash for Opera, i would be a happy man.
    • mRku, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15"Now if only Adobe would fix Flash for Opera"
      What's the problem? Flash is working just fine for me. :&
      • frenchy64, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Its pretty fuxxored for me... either flash is really slow or doesnt work at all.

        Still, Opera is awesome other than this.
        • mRku, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3"either flash is really slow"
          Try to update the newest player. In Opera the flash player has always been twice as fast as in IE6/7 or Firefox. (when you play some heavy CPU flash-games you will notice the difference)
    • ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If Flash not working for you, use that opportunity to see how less CPU a browser uses before Flash monster junk leeches all CPU and blame browser for it.
      Than you can get the latest flash from adobe.com and reinstall :)
  • PommyBrit, on 10/10/2007, -19/+2they need to add extensions.
  • Spuy767, on 10/10/2007, -5/+45Opera > Firefox imo, seems like every feature that firefox comes out with, Opera had it first, and does it better.
    • Neiby, on 10/10/2007, -14/+1You must be talking about the wonderful ad blocking extension that Opera has... Oh, wait....
      • thegreatanti, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1This is digg. Here is NO place for criticism at Opera.
      • svivian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You could block ads in Opera before Firefox even existed. They just added an interface for it more recently, that's all.
    • Rapax, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Yep, works perfectly. Only it's not an extension, but built in by default.
      • estvir, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4And it isn't ridiculously slow and bloated.
    • radu79, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Well, I use Opera exclusively for 2 years, since 8.52.
      But I have to agree that Firefox wins when it comes to ad blocking. Yes, Opera has something like that, but for me it's very hard to use. It would be nice to be able to right click on an image and disable it.
      • ndteja, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0you just need to right click on the page and click "block content" and then click on all the images in the page that you want to block. if you want you can even specify wild cards, after blocking an image, to block all the images from a particular location.
  • PommyBrit, on 10/10/2007, -21/+2they need to add extensions
  • BadassCheese, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2Flash won't work with 9.5a for me.
    • CLShortFuse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4try www.macromedia.com
      worked for me (unless you're using 64bit)
    • DagMX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0flash is working fine for me. But sites with multiple flash files load the flash files in a different order compared to firefox.
      Tried it out in ultrashock. FF normally loads the navigation first and then the content, opera does it the otherway around
  • fuckingusername, on 10/10/2007, -10/+3now if it had addblock plus, but the safest browser out their
  • zoomtechtv, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Just tested it on two sites that I go to that had problems before. No more problems with those two sites anymore. This is a very good release from Opera everyone should give it a try. AAAAAAAA++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    • spacebar14, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1VERY GOOD SELLER! FAST SHIPPING, GOOD COMMUNICATION! AAAA++++!!!!
  • CLShortFuse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11I went from IE6 to Opera then back to IE7. I could never stick with Firefox because of the lack of a proper save dialog box but I think it's time to move back to Opera. Open, Save, Cancel (WIN!)
    • TroubleInMind, on 10/10/2007, -15/+3Funny you should mention that Firefox save dialog thing; that's the thing that I had the hardest trouble getting used to. I actually prefer the FF way of doing it now.

      And did all the Opera fanboys get up early this morning? Let's see, about 20 fanboy comments above this one, yeah, that should be the whole dev team.
      • Yazilliclick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17No there are simply a lot of people that like and use opera who are posting in a topic about Opera. You simply don't hear from them as much you firefox fans because we don't act like we're god's gift to browsers with our ridiculous campaign on every site getting people to switch as if it's the only alternative to ie.
  • philry4n, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9all things feel snappier!!! o/ i love this alpha build!
  • aleksanteri, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Awesome :-)
  • 52tease, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Direct link: http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/next/
  • mRku, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I made separate installation... but now I'm thinking to update stable 9.23 to alpha 9.5. It's so wonderful. :P
    • Forma, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2DON'T! it will cause you nothing but grief. Installing alpha releases over final releases is a bad bad BAD! idea.
      • mRku, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm aware of that.
        Of cause I would back-up everything before that. I just want to know how much the mail client have been improved. It's a bit slow in 9.23 when you have 8 pop-address, over 5k mails, 30+ RSS feeds and few news feeds. Checking all at once freeze the old opera and it should be fixed with this release. That's why I'm so impatient. :(
    • tharippa1be, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Everything went smoothly on my desktop PC, but on my laptop some of the descriptions are screwed up. "Log out from my opera" = "M_SYNC_LOGOUT".
      And the new mail storing thing gets stuck at updating, but i canceled it, don't use it.

      Except for those things, everything works perfect =)
  • lordtyros, on 10/10/2007, -1/+39OMG THIS MAKES DIGG COMMENTS FAST
    • Quaitemp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18Please allow up to 60 seconds for your comment to be saved (unless you are using Opera 9.5...)

      ;)

      Remember to check out the syncing of bookmarks too!
    • sappyvcv, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5That's the first thing I noticed too. digg always SUCKED in Opera. Now it's instant.
  • docjeff, on 10/10/2007, -14/+7And still no SOCKS proxy support internally. Good Christ, what is taking so ***** long with this? Dugg down for not having a particularly useful feature that all major browsers other than Opera have had forever.
  • evilregis, on 10/10/2007, -14/+7I've seen others get buried for saying it, but I will echo that I will not use Opera as my main browser until it has a similar extension framework as Firefox. That is the only thing keeping FF as my default browser. I have 10 extensions installed. Opera has the functionality of about half of them.

    Opera is an awesome browser, but the extensions are crucial for me.
    • howie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Ask at my.opera.com. Chances are that most of those extensions are possible to do in Opera anyway.
      • Neiby, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1It almost doesn't matter. Opera's extension system sucks balls compared to Firefox. I wish that weren't the case because I'd love to use Opera more often. But until I can customize it to behave the way I want, especially with a *good* ad block extension, I'm sticking with FF. I sure wish FF was even close to as fast as Opera, though.
        • Yazilliclick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7How doesn't it matter? It's a direct answer to your supposed only problem? Oh sorry, my mistake. You're just a ff advocate disguising yourself as wanting to use opera.
    • svivian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Extensions in Opera: http://files.myopera.com/Rijk/blog/extensions.html
      • Neiby, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2We know they exist. That doesn't change the fact that they suck. The Opera extension system is not nearly as capable as Firefox's. It seems like whenever they have comparable plugins, the ones in Opera don't work quite right and they look like *****, but maybe that has more to do with the people writing them.
  • CLShortFuse, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Tips: in the search bar, type "g ***" and it'll google search. i'm trying to add "w ***" as wikipedia. help?
    also, hold down right click and press left. that's back. the inverse is forward. that was the most missed feature when I started using another browser.
    after setting speed dial, pressing 1,2,3,4,etc will jump to that page. i stopped using opera because the weird keyboard shortcuts but it's now firefox/ie style
    • Quaitemp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11There is already a default search engine for 'w', go to Tools -> Preferences and "Search". Remove the one on 'w' (Download.com).
      Visit wikipedia and right click in the search-field and choose "Create search..."
      • Dugg01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8i like the "Create Search" feature.!!
    • joshwong, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2And the ctrl-Z shortcut to reopen a closed tab
      right click on a link and drag down to open the link in a new tab
      right click on a link and drag down and up to open the link in a background tab
      right click and drag up and left to go to parent directory eg. you are in "aaa.com/bbbb/cccc", it will go to "aaa.com/bbbb/"
  • fit4130, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12This new version is a big leap for opera. The past few builds haven't had too many new features. I guess this is the reason why, and I am not complaining. I love Opera, and I don't care how sad that sounds, I really do.

    I've also noticed that scrolling is different, as in it scrolls normally then slows down before it stops. Very nice.
    • Moskie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I noticed the scrolling feature too... it's a nice touch. It accelerates as it starts, and decelerates as it stops. Very Apple inspired... which can be a good thing when it comes to UI design. :)
  • mudgod, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3I haven't used Opera in some time but thought it was significantly better then Firefox. The reason I switched back was a different interface (keyboard shortcuts etc). Is there a simple way that Opera could mimic Firefox's UI? A script to load etc or config changes...
    • Neiby, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I don't know why you're being dugg down. I've tried Opera several times and I've found that it takes some advanced tweaking to get it to behave properly. For example, try typing in the address bar so that some URLs start to autocomplete, then hit TAB to finish the autocompletion. Doesn't work! You have to go dig into the advanced configuration to make something so simple behave like it should to begin with. Very annoying.
      • johnnysaucepn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Please try to remember that when you say 'behave properly', you really mean 'behave the way I like it', which is fair enough. As for autocomplete, as you type it produces a full list, so you just have to hit down until you get the one you want, then return. I much prefer that to having the browser guess, and me needing a pause to mentally check if it's the one I want.
  • elvenseven, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Wow, I've just switched to Opera. Theres a Web Developer toolbar too AND I can make it look like Firefox / OS Native from the appearance options. The speed dial feature is really neat and theres even spell check.
    http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/opera/spellcheck/
    • squaat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Spell check has been there for quite awhile though
    • shrivipha, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Nice job buddy. Congratulations for switching to the best browser! I recommend learning lots of keyboard shortcuts, like ctrl+ F 11 for fitting display, ctrl+tab (switch between tabs), shift+p for print preview and so on. Once you start using them, u won't quit opera for any reason! The best thing about opera is that u can do everything u want to do (except clicking) on keyboard, or everything (except typing) on your mouse! Everything has a keyboard shortcut, or a mouse gesture to give the same result. I don't like to waste my time switching between mouse and keyboard, and neither should anyone!
  • csulok, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4too bad google spreadsheets still doesn't work.. i don't even care anymore whose fault it is, i just want to use it ://%/=%(!+%
    • reycat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Actually, Google Spreadsheets works, though Google think it doesn't.

      You have to use "Mask as Internet Explorer" so that Google gives you the right page, instead of the "plain html" one. Then reload and voilá.

      You may have to do it several times, since there are different domains: spreadsheet0.google.com, spreadsheet1.google.com, etc.

      So, it's Google fault and not Opera's. If given the right page (the one IE or Firefox receive), it will render it with no flaws.

      And now, let's try again with the catcha, I'm starting to think I'm not human after all, more than three times to hit the nail whenever I've to fill in one of these :-)
    • ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Opera even supports CSS 3 now. So, it is really Google, the new AOL ignoring their thousands of hours of coding.

      ps: Yahoo Beta stuff doesn't alert "Your browser not supported" anymore after getting 9.5.
  • TroubleInMind, on 10/27/2007, -29/+4Perhaps some intrepid soul would like to explain why anyone should give a ***** about Opera?
    • flysi, on 10/27/2007, -16/+2yeah.... I kind of feel the same way. Possibly the Digg story title that is least deserving of an exclamation mark, in my opinion.

      To each his/her own.
    • daonlyfreez, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Perhaps you could explain why anybody should give a sh*t about what you think?
    • xErath, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Perhaps some intrepid soul would like to explain why anyone should give a ***** about TroubleInMind?
    • TroubleInMind, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Yeah, that's about what I thought. Given an opportunity to explain their advocacy, they instead offer unprovoked ad hominem attacks.
      • rhyss, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1Sounds like a lot of childish people seem to support this browser.
        This is probably why it has a small user base.
        Bunch of irrational folks attacking everyone and each other.

        The comments here seem like they come from contrarians who would pick the other brand just because it's not Microsoft.
      • oopsminded, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3User base size can't be explained this way but I'm pretty sure you're also aware of that.
        And you didn't get an answer to your question because of the way you put it.
        • Rob223, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I give a ***** about opera because it's more stable, it passes the acid test (whereas firefox and IE fail it) and it's more secure.
  • j4ck80, on 10/10/2007, -11/+1Please add a plugin system. I know there is some ad blocking functionality, but I really can't consider switching until it is as useful as adblock plus. It's the only thing keeping me with Firefox
  • ArchonSG, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6I loved opera even back in the day when they were charging $39.00 for it but after a while, when you have browsers who did more or less (usually less) the same thing but for free why use it?
    They realized their mistake too late and when it finally became free, it lost traction.
    Having said that, I wish that there was a "opera lite" version where I just get the browser and all the "added" features are extensions that I can pick and choose to use. I mean, who'd actually use the built in bit torrent client when Azureus or Utorrent does a better job?
    • daonlyfreez, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Opera is already "light" _with_ all the features.
    • Quaitemp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Opera Installer with mail, chat and rss-reader; 4,9MB
      Firefox Installer (only): 5,7MB
    • LucasVB, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I don't understand that complaint. Opera is already lighter than Firefox - in memory use and disk space - with all this stuff bundled. Also, most of these features are disabled by default. So what gives?
      • ArchonSG, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3What i meant is have a more modular install. Allow *me* to choose what features *I* want via extensions and plug-ins. Stuff like the built in bit torrent engine I can do without. What's so hard to understand?
        • SpacemanSpiff, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8We understand what you mean, but we don't understand your point. Even with those default add-ins the entire Opera package is still lighter (install package memory footprint, etc) than Firefox or IE.

          My guess is that those add-ins are completely passive. They only load up if you use them (such as by adding an email account). This is converse to Firefox's behavior where it loads every single installed extension.
        • Yazilliclick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5It's not hard to understand at all what you're trying to say, it just doesn't make any sense and points out that you're just a fan of another browser and don't want to switch. Opera allows you to not use it's built in torrent functionality or it's builtin mailer. There's no need to turn them off as they don't do anything unless you use them and even with them Opera takes up less space than other browsers. So if you're so concerned with that extra stuff taking up space/resources you should be doubly concerned at how other browsers without them take up even more.
    • Yazilliclick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Yeah same as above wondering what the heck you're on about. Opera is faster, less imprint on disk and in memory. And no opera didn't lose traction, they've gained a lot since becomming free and especially with moves into the mobile browser market and as the browser on the Wii.
    • DagMX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3agree with the rest of the replies. While your argument is valid and I'm sure if Opera was just a browser it would be atleast an MB less, Opera has a very integrated engine that can handle everything that it ships with, so I doubt your really going to see much of a difference between Opera and Opera lite.
  • khpmli, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3faster than ever, flash still not working even with latest beta version of flash... but nice anyway!
  • LucasVB, on 10/22/2007, -1/+22Wow, the new JavaScript engine kicks ass. Digg is so slick now.

    Oh, and the RSS feeds work flawlessly now. Awesome!
    • LucasVB, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13History search is a godsend feature. It's one of those features you know you always needed but never really realized it until you had it available. :P
  • fractured, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Neat, the middle click scroller no longer goes to the middle of the page when you scroll. That was the only thing that bothered me from all the other versions of Opera
    • Trixrox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Same, I'm glad they changed that...and that I wasn't the only one that was bother by it.
  • zen6ox, on 10/22/2007, -0/+17I love Opera's mouse gestures.
    • lkms, on 10/10/2007, -9/+0Actually Firefox gestures are much better, too bad they are still not pre-installed.
      I have tried to use opera for a while and I hated its gestures. There is no setup for minimum gesture length or gesture timeout delay, so every time you accidentally press the right mouse button while moving the mouse, some random gesture kicks in. Also I hate how gesture to open link in the background new tab works (yes I prefer that to the middle click). I gesture a few links that way but while one page loads in the background, opera lags and my next gesture works as if it wasn't activated the link, so some bad thing happens like new tab, so I have to return to the tab I was in previously .. eww terrible experience.

      Anyway now I am back to ff and happy with it. Although I admit opera is better on some slower computers. but hey on core2 duo /2GB I don't care
  • phytonix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8OMG it is fantastic! I think it is really faster on Mac now and works better with many websites, such as Plaxo and Google Calendar!
    Sweet. And I have been a loyal Opera user for, I don't know, 8 years!
  • kris33, on 10/22/2007, -2/+15Wow. This is amazing. It is REALLY fast! I'm very close to loving it, but there are some problems.
    - It render headers too bold, at least on OS X. The digg news titles are difficult to read because of it.
    - The logo sucks.
    - The OS X GUI look really bad and feels like a cheap imitation.
    - It is difficult to turn off some of the integrated things, like BitTorrent and mail (you have to open the config-files).
    - I miss some FF-plugins like Linkification
    - Some bugs

    If they fix those bugs, Opera will probably become my browser of chose
    • Yazilliclick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+102,3,4,5 are not bugs.
      • kris33, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1I know. I'm not saying that they are.
      • Yazilliclick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2@kris33
        Hmm pretty sure you did "If they fix those bugs, Opera will probably become my browser of chose". So I guess if you don't consider them bugs you're saying Opera will be your browser of choice if they fix headers being too bold on osx and fix 'some bugs' ?
    • DagMX, on 10/22/2007, -1/+10linkification is built into opera. Select some text(double click on a plain text link), right click and do 'go to url'. Simple.
      I'll switch to opera full time myself once the final build is out.
      • kris33, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I just tried it and it didn't work properly. It didn't understand what hxxp:// really means.
        • kohoutec, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0dont highlight hxxp:// then, just the rest of the url
  • mccord, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1does anybody else have problems with the alpha on linux?
    on my system operapluginwrap consumes 80% cpu, even after i closed the site with the flashanimation.


  • Banshie, on 10/10/2007, -9/+4Opera is probably better out of the box, and improbably got a better engine behind it, but my Firefox, with the extensions I use, sadly there isn't a way to do it in Opera, I'm not here to flame, just stating a fact. What I regularly do in Firefox you can't do in Opera, and personally I don't like widgets, they turn extensions into eye candy and remove most of there use.
    • worbd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8How do you know that you can't do it in Opera? There are lots of ways to add stuff to Opera.
  • rowlodge, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2i just got firefox a month ago, i'm scared.
  • CGA1, on 10/10/2007, -8/+0Still no IE/FF autocomplete in forms, only thing that keeps me from going back to Opera from FF.
    • evildeadguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Nope, it has autocomplete. Tools>Preferences>Wand.
      Has had it for quite a while now.
      • fweeky, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Not the same as generalized form auto-complete, but at least it covers the basics.

        Another nice touch in this build: Wand asks you if you want to save your login information async now -- the page loads in the background so you can make sure your login actually works before saving it. Previously it would block until you saved/didn't.
      • CGA1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I know about the wand, used Opera for about 6 years. What I mean by autocomplete is when the browser remembers what you have typed in for example the search field in google. I know there is a userjs for this but it's kind of iffy. Search the Opera forums for autocomplete and you see there are numerous requests for this feature but Opera just blank ignores it. This finally made me switch to FF, though reluctantly.
  • Holocaust, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3But still no adblock!
    • shrivipha, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0You can use a css style sheet to block images, just like firefox.
  • Visceral, on 10/10/2007, -12/+1No adblock, no use. Their solution to adblock is pretty unimpressive. As to the "OMG, fastest browser in teh world!". Yea, not so much. It takes 5 seconds to install the faster fox plugin for FF and that's over and done with.
    • DagMX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5mm, not to be pedantic, but firefox doesn't even have an adblocker. You have to go get it yourself. Opera has it built in. And if you want it to block more stuff, its not that hard.
      Faster fox is not a browser feature again. And even with fasterfox, opera for me is faster.
      And bear in mind, that for most users, they won't be going looking around for extensions. Firefox needs you to be a savvy user from the start. Opera doesn't expect much from you.
    • technoredneck, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I don't understand the rabid fascination with AdBlock. It gets the job done quicker, but there are more effective solutions, though admittedly AdBlock is much easier. Guess I just answered my own question. As for me, I've been using a hosts file to block ads for years. Hosts files work at the OS level and thus block ads for everything, even IE.

      And I don't see what's so terribly bad about Opera's built-in content-blocking mechanism. It was obviously designed to block ads, but they just don't advertise or name it as such, because it would make look Opera look bad in the eyes of webmasters and advertisers. (...or kooky right-wing nutjobs that think they know ***** about computers and how Firefox & AdBlock are st3aling from their Intarnets--not that that matters, of course.)

      When it comes to page rendering and JavaScript, Opera is undeniably faster than anything else on the market. However, to be fair, that doesn't matter so much if you've got a reasonably modern computer.

      God, why am I feeding the trolls?
    • thalon380, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2faster fox disables a lot of firefox features and still opera is faster with those features enabled
  • LucasVB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Opera can't have an ad blocker built-in, since it'd be frowned upon by a lot of website owners and sponsors. That's bad for the company. It's OK with Ad Block in Firefox because it's third-party software. But really, if you just get a big, comprehensive filter.ini file, you're pretty much set.
    • DagMX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4but it does have a content blocker that is pretty customizable. Its upto the user if they want it or not like in all browsers, but unlike other browsers, its integrated. Unfortunately its not as powerful as adblock on firefox, but its a lot more user friendly and a lot less hostile
    • kruykaze, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Where can i find comprehensive filter.ini file?
  • Ghost_MH, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Hmmm...Only two complaints from me, but I'm loving it.
    I have digg spy in a panel off to the right using the small screen renderer, but digg spy is very messy with the small screen renderer now. Not a big complaint, but it is a little weird. The small screen renderer was a lot better at handling digg than it is now.

    Also, it looks like Opera still doesn't support Yahoo! Fantasy Sports' drag and drop feature...Unless this is something Yahoo! is keeping from working on their end because they detect I'm using Opera. In which case...I'm going to have to find a work-around. It doesn't seem Opera has the Identify As So&So Browser feature anymore.
    • sngx1275, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Tools -> Quick Preferences -> Edit Site Preferences... -> Scripting Tab
      • Ghost_MH, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thanking you...I found it right after I posted that message. However, the small screen render engine still seems to be broken as far as digg is concerned.
  • Holocaust, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2Still no adblock!
  • metalica77, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1better standard compliance HAHA is that why webpages on opera look like ***** an on FF they look amazing. Oh wait what's that i hear FF is a better browser
    • FyberOptic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Nice original name you have there. Did one of the fellow Firefox sheep help you pick it?
    • EvilBaby, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well if the web followed the standards it was supposed to we wouldn't have these issues. Just check out the acid2 test. Although FF is a great pron browser
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