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Canadian Minister Will Introduce Canadian DMCA Tommorow
boingboing.net — Here it is, folks, at long last: Industry Canada Minister Jim Prentice is about to introduce his Canadian version of America's disastrous Digital Millennium Copyright Act tomorrow. In 1998, the US bill criminalized the majority of American net-users at the stroke of a pen with a bill that cost tens of thousands of downloaders their life's savings.
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- montrealcalling, on 06/11/2008, -0/+27What is the liberal party's stance on this?
- Jorin, on 06/11/2008, -0/+38Here is the list of issues from the liberal website:
* In Summary
* Our Economy
* Our Environment
* Our Families
* Our Communities
* Health Care
* Agriculture and Rural Canada
* Aboriginal Peoples
* Women in Politics
* Canada in the World
Frankly I don't have enough faith in the liberal party to bother digging through their website to find their stance on free speech, copyright, technology and the internet. The news of this bill isn't anywhere on the front page either. From that i'd guess their stance on copyright and technology is "duuurrrr, darrrrghhh." - johnlandes, on 06/12/2008, -0/+22I believe that Dion is still hiding under his desk
- ronaldst, on 06/12/2008, -15/+7I wouldn't be surprised if the bill came from the Liberal party.
What comes from the Liberal and Conservative parties are pretty much interchangeable at will. The only difference between those 2 are the colours, red vs blue, and the name. Both love to spend the tax payer's money and enact laws at will without any care for the consequences.
To their defense, they're not the Bloc Québécois (communists) or the NDP (raelians).- stinger666, on 06/12/2008, -1/+6Keep bashing the BQ and the NDP, but I'm sure they will defend us on that issue.
- erydan, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1I think you have it backwards NDP=Communists PQ= Socialist Raelians, But if it doesn't force all copyrighted material to be available only in french and allocate a few billion to Quebec to enforce that then the PQ couldn't care less.
- Xondar, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4The bill did come from the liberal party a few years ago.
- mindracer, on 06/12/2008, -1/+12in responce to ronaldst post, bloc quebecois are seperatists (what to seperate from canada) and NDP are socialists, for those interested in knowing the facts.
- sweetholymosiah, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4try the REPLY button n00b
- Scruffydan, on 06/12/2008, -1/+3The short answer is the liberals are the same as the Cons in regard to copyright. And even if they were against it they haven't shown any sign of having a spine since Dion became leader.
The only party that has a reasonable copyright policy (and who did me the courtesy of explaining it to me when I inquired) is the NDP... but more opposition will be needed if we wish to defeat this bill. It is time to write to your MP, relevant ministers and the leaders of all parties. - Meany123, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4Regarding the Liberals, they are in support of this as well, but will nominally oppose it because they know it's unpopular. They themselves tried to pass it and then backed down in the face of opposition. Enough of their members will be absent and suddenly sick during the vote to ensure this has the numbers to squeak through Parliament, just like everything else. This is a done deal. Signed, sealed, and about to be delivered.
The ONLY hope we have is if the Senate (Lib Majority) takes it's sweet time before rubber stamping this bill. In the meantime, if Dion grows a spine and brings this government down, the bill will die on the order paper, but the odds of that happening are very low, unless Dion brings this government down before summer recess, which I doubt he will. Like I said, done deal.
Full disclosure: I voted for Harper. Oops. Fool me once, shame on me.... etc. Don't start throwing tomatoes, I'm sorry.- sweetholymosiah, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4what were you thinking? Succumbing to the attack ads I suppose?
- b0gus2008, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I think he, like myself, was sick of government corruption.
But in retrospect, I too am regretting my decision to vote Conservative, and vow never to make that mistake again.
- b0gus2008, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I think he, like myself, was sick of government corruption.
- sweetholymosiah, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4what were you thinking? Succumbing to the attack ads I suppose?
- galanz, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1The Liberal 'Heritage' minister is opposed to this law but only because he doesn't think it goes far enough. So the only reason this bill will be defeated will be because the liberals want something tougher.
- Jorin, on 06/11/2008, -0/+38Here is the list of issues from the liberal website:
- SilverBlade2k, on 06/11/2008, -2/+67I wrote to my MP...not like it'll do anything though.
- bryxal, on 06/12/2008, -0/+19Not True! I worked with an MPs office. and a deluge of thoughtful letters all got read and the MP took notice of the bills that his constituents sent letters on. The only way to change is to send letters and emails and phone calls and get all your friends and family to do it to. Get your parents to send a letter.
- mCanada, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3I think letters to MP's would work for the same reason complaints to big Corporations work. Basically to make assumptions about the larger population you have to take a very small sample. Odds are the people writing in are the same people voting , so these people aren't the ones you want to piss off. For the statistically minded I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student%27s_t-test : "Today, it is more generally applied to the confidence that can be placed in judgments made from small samples." would be an appropriate explanation (I think). I suck ass at stats mind you... OH and one more thing, this is copyright bitches! lol :)
- Praxis42, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6Really - my MP, who is also a cabinet minister, has not even acknowledged that he has received any of my emails in the last 6 months. It is not that I have sent a large number (only 3) - it would have been nice to have received even a form response. This MP, by the way, is one that has bragged about his use of blogs and other technology in the past.
- mCanada, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1"you have to take a small sample" **errrr I mean you would want a larger sample of course, but a small sample can work, ergo your letter to your bought and sold MP (Prentice) will make a difference thanks to mathematics and certainly not from their altruism nor their desire for liberty and the free flow of information.
- Scruffydan, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5I wrote to my MP Jim Prentice, Stephen Harper, party leaders and all other relevant ministers.
The only non-canned response came from the NDP. Still if you want to fight this bill we must make our voices heard. Let's hope bryxal is correct and our politicians are willing to listen to us.- GregR, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4I got a reply from Dr. Keith Martin that indicated that he did not think much of this legislation.
"... Although there have been rumours of one surfacing and resembling the U.S. DMCA, we have no evidence of that as of yet. When the Government does present the bill before the House, due to the importance of copyright legislation, I will ensure that the bill is studied carefully and that the important provisions from C-60 are included in a balanced manner. All legislation goes through a committee process where public consultations can and should occur. I will push for this with respect to this bill to ensure balanced and sound policy decisions are made."
So, hopefully he's not the only sane voice out there.
- GregR, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4I got a reply from Dr. Keith Martin that indicated that he did not think much of this legislation.
- skidooer, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3I remember my local MP voting against the gun control bill much to the chagrin of his party. Our constituents loved him for it, but it was career suicide for him. He was quickly dropped from his cabinet minister position and hasn't been able to do anything since, even though he has been elected every time.
They might be listening, but when push comes to shove, they have to ignore what the constituents want to make way for the party line. It's quite sad, really.
- Mootabolife, on 06/12/2008, -0/+16In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 comment(s) from this page.
- Coded1, on 06/12/2008, -0/+17Every body, write your MP and paste the message and the name of the MP it was sent to, if using email try to use your real address (don't post it though) it will make the point clearer.
I'm just using a copy pasta from below http://www.ccer.ca/send-a-letter-to-harper-prentic ...
Here's to you Mr. Paul Szabo
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Mr. P, Szabo,
I am disturbed that the Government will move forward in the coming days and introduce copyright reform legislation that has been engineered without proper public consultation and without adhering to its own accountability mandates by failing to table the WIPO treaties for a period of 21 sitting days before introducing the legislation for which these treaties provide the framework for modernizing Canadian Copyright laws.
It is not too late to reconsider the dangerous approach currently being taken to copyright reform in Canada. As a concerned Canadian consumer and voter, I urge you to enshrine the following principles in the Copyright Act:
Any amendments to the Copyright Act must not prohibit the development and manufacturing of circumvention devices and technologies, commercial trade of circumvention devices and technologies, the possession and/or utilization of any device or technology that can circumvent a TPM or DRM for a non-infringing purpose or otherwise lawful activity such as fair dealing, interoperability, time and format shifting.
The Copyright Act should be amended to bring the backup copy provision into the 21st century by expanding the right to make an archival backup copy to all digital consumer products regardless of format or media.
Amendments to the Copyright Act seeking to add provisions relating to the liability of Internet intermediaries and subscriber actions should take a “notice and notice” approach that will provide the best balance between the protection of intellectual property rights and the fundamental rights of individual and academic expression.
Amendments to the Copyright Act need to ensure that statutory damages are limited and users must be protected from statutory damages if the user has good-faith to believe their use of the protected work was fair and non-infringing, or if the user is engaged in purely private and non-commercial activity.
Sincerely,
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Furiosa, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Just did that now, I'm hoping for a personal response / reassurance of some kind, but my reps a conservative (Idiots in my area -_-) so I really think I'll only be brushed off.
- z1g1, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Please don't use copy and paste forms!!!! I have worked in political offices and once they begin to see a number of the same letter they just become a check mark. Even if it is a two line letter expressing your honest concern it is worth more then a 20 page manifesto just copied from a web form. Just some advice
- g33kfu, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6Yup, I wrote to my MP last week as well. I didn't even get as much as an automated response. I'll send a hard copy to her office, seeing how politicians probably don't know what email is.
- FreezerB, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2I got a reply within a day, saying that this DMCA clone is a huge mistake.
- DalamarArgent, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1So looking up my MP's contact information on the parliament of Canada site shows a Parliamentary address and a Constituency address, which do I write to?
- stuffradio, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4I just received an email from Jim Prentice:
"The Government of Canada has introduced Bill C-61, An Act to Amend the Copyright Act. The proposed legislation is a made-in-Canada approach that balances the needs of Canadian consumers and copyright owners, promoting culture, innovation and competition in the digital age.
What does Bill C-61 mean to Canadians?
Specifically, it includes measures that would:
* expressly allow you to record TV shows for later viewing; copy legally purchased music onto other devices, such as MP3 players or cell phones; make back-up copies of legally purchased books, newspapers, videocassettes and photographs onto devices you own; and limit the "statutory damages" a court could award for all private use copyright infringements;
* implement new rights and protections for copyright holders, tailored to the Internet, to encourage participation in the online economy, as well as stronger legal remedies to address Internet piracy;
* clarify the roles and responsibilities of Internet Service Providers related to the copyright content flowing over their network facilities; and
* provide photographers with the same rights as other creators.
What Bill C-61 does not do:
* it would not empower border agents to seize your iPod or laptop at border crossings, contrary to recent public speculation
What this Bill is not:
* it is not a mirror image of U.S. copyright laws. Our Bill is made-in-Canada with different exceptions for educators, consumers and others and brings us into line with more than 60 countries including Japan, France, Germany and Australia
Bill C-61 was introduced in the Commons on June 12, 2008 by Industry Minister Jim Prentice and Heritage Minister Josée Verner.
For more information, please visit the Copyright Reform Process website at www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/home
Thank you for sharing your views on this important matter.
The Honourable Jim Prentice, P.C., Q.C., M.P.
Minister of Industry
The Honourable Josée Verner, P.C., M.P.
Minister of Canadian Heritage, Status of Women
and Official Languages and Minister for
La Francophonie "- tehsly, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Actually the Canadian DMCA was bill C-60 which did not pass... They are currently looking at bill C-61 which is canadian made for canadians which is more of a joke... and I also received this email!
- stuffradio, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Oh? C-60, C-61... all a number to me ;)
- tehsly, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Actually the Canadian DMCA was bill C-60 which did not pass... They are currently looking at bill C-61 which is canadian made for canadians which is more of a joke... and I also received this email!
- bryxal, on 06/12/2008, -0/+19Not True! I worked with an MPs office. and a deluge of thoughtful letters all got read and the MP took notice of the bills that his constituents sent letters on. The only way to change is to send letters and emails and phone calls and get all your friends and family to do it to. Get your parents to send a letter.
- Jorin, on 06/11/2008, -0/+39"It is becoming all too clear that to the Harper Government ‘Canadian sovereignty’ simply means a piece of (valuable) real estate; real estate worth defending to the tune of billions. Canadian Cultural Sovereignty clearly has no value to this government." From the Appropriation Art website. Very well said.
Boingboing also featured a video of Jim Prentice gabbing like a clown and cracking jokes while an NDP MP tried to get him to account for his actions regarding the copyright bill. How can a minority government have this kind of power? Where is the rest of our opposition? Charlie Angus can't do it all himself.- parfait, on 06/12/2008, -4/+1All he's doing is submitting the bill to the House for consideration. It's not like he's automatically forcing it through. With any luck, the majority of the House will be sensible and shoot this down.
- Meany123, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5Yeah right. He's going to submit it to the House for consideration, make it a confidence motion, and call Dion's bluff, for the 100th time in a row.
As usual, Dion will fold, and this sails right on through. This Liberal party has become more weak and pathetic than the US Dems were in 2002. It's disgusting. They've handed a guy with 36% of the popular vote all the keys because they're too spineless to stand up and say no once in a while. Name one single bill or motion that Harper wasn't able to ram through Parliament, you may have trouble, because there are none. This bill is a done deal. :(
- Meany123, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5Yeah right. He's going to submit it to the House for consideration, make it a confidence motion, and call Dion's bluff, for the 100th time in a row.
- aidave, on 06/12/2008, -1/+10God damned Conservatives. Canadians should be ashamed for voting for them.
- nogami, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4Nice to see our own government selling us out to the US... Figures what with conservatives and all. I'll never vote for those idiots for the rest of my life...
- b0gus2008, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Look I'm sorry. I promise I will never vote Conservative again. And since the Liberals have been trying to pass this type of legislation before they were thrown out, I promise I won't vote for them either.
- galanz, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Once again the only reason the liberals are opposed to this law is because it doesn't go far enough. They'd sell us out even more than the Conservatives.
- DSM93, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4i watched that argument on tv awhile back, it was nice to see the NDP MP standing up against Prentice. NDP seem to be the only ones with a spine these days.
- parfait, on 06/12/2008, -4/+1All he's doing is submitting the bill to the House for consideration. It's not like he's automatically forcing it through. With any luck, the majority of the House will be sensible and shoot this down.
- Qmass, on 06/11/2008, -7/+111Harper is a traitor.
- kuz2r, on 06/11/2008, -2/+34Please help, does Canada has Bury button somehwere so we can Bury Jim Prentice
- dark_helmet, on 06/12/2008, -2/+13We could just dump him in Quebec then destory the bridges, it would solve two problems at once.
- ZimbuTheMonkey, on 06/12/2008, -0/+11*****... I better get out of here quickly then...
- AROZ, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1No, don't. There has to be Liberal leader with a spine coming soon.
- Scruffydan, on 06/12/2008, -3/+4And lose our supply of pouting... NEVR!
- xerox, on 06/12/2008, -1/+2poutine *
- b0gus2008, on 06/12/2008, -1/+2No, pouting was right.
- ZimbuTheMonkey, on 06/12/2008, -0/+11*****... I better get out of here quickly then...
- dark_helmet, on 06/12/2008, -2/+13We could just dump him in Quebec then destory the bridges, it would solve two problems at once.
- AnneOminous, on 06/12/2008, -0/+45Why now? StridentLobster on BoingBoing nails it:
"In a disgusting bait-and-switch, the Harper government is pushing this bill forward within 24 hours of the PM's official apology to the aboriginal victims of the Residential Schools program. They're no doubt trading on the good press they'll be receiving for their involvement with this wide-scale human rights investigation to ram through this damaging legislation. It takes a special kind of contempt for the public to pull this kind of stunt." - chrgrose, on 06/12/2008, -3/+103***** THE DMCA
- amazingleper, on 06/12/2008, -2/+0and ***** the fcc
"I used to listen to the radio
And I don’t guess they’re listenin’ to me no more
They talk too much but that’s okay
I don’t understand a single word they say
Piss and moan about the immigrants
But don’t say nothin’ about the president
A democracy don’t work that way
I can say anything I wanna say
So ***** the FCC
***** the FBI
***** the CIA
Livin’ in the *****’ USA
People tell me that I’m paranoid
And I admit I’m gettin’ pretty nervous, boy
It just gets tougher everyday
To sit around and watch it while it slips away
Been called a traitor and a patriot
Call me anything you want to but
Just don’t forget your history
Dirty Lenny died so we could all be free"
-Steve Earle
- amazingleper, on 06/12/2008, -2/+0and ***** the fcc
- desigi, on 06/12/2008, -1/+40This is absurd. This bill will make me a criminal for using my iPod. Chances are no one will notice the law being passed because the Conservatives are trying to slip this by as quickly as possible.
- aidave, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5The Conservatives learnt well from the Republicans.
Ram through laws, bully the wimpy Liberals, and divert the publics attention with lame "scandals". - erydan, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6You paid a special tax on your ipod so you can copy your content. I wonder if they will refund us or at least repeal the tax once this bill passes.. Unlikely I think.
- nogami, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5Yup, nothing like taking honest Canadians and making criminals out of them. Way to "govern" there. Hell, I'm even in the media business and I don't support this bill for a second. Making criminals out of citizens is not the proper way for an antiquated industry (film / tv / music) to try and survive.
Perhaps if the government told them to simply find a solution for themselves, we'd see some actual innovation...- b0gus2008, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I think the issue of enforcement has not been addressed. I can only imagine the number of teens in politician's homes who are now cold blooded criminals. I say we start the "enforcement" there.
- aidave, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5The Conservatives learnt well from the Republicans.
- tehbored, on 06/12/2008, -0/+46For the sake of all Canadians, I hope this gets shot down.
- kanuk20, on 06/12/2008, -0/+7For the sake of anyone trying to enter Canada, I hope this gets shot down. Also, for my sakes too. I'll have to burn any electronic device that can store information.
- MikeonTV, on 06/12/2008, -0/+24so we should all start using Peer Guardian 2 for real now?
- PopcornDave, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3You're not already?
- ChristophyBrown, on 06/12/2008, -3/+1Do you know an alternative program like Peer Guardian that I can use for vista?
Thanks.- abandonedhero, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Peer Guardian 2 has a beta out for Vista now.
- LiXy, on 06/12/2008, -0/+62Use this letter wizard to send a quick letter to Prentice, Verner and Harper right now. It takes less than a minute.
http://www.ccer.ca/send-a-letter-to-harper-prentic ...- kanuk20, on 06/12/2008, -3/+6They wont care, you'll have to convince and educate the other parties.
- jebus123, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2What you need to do is contact your MP, specially if they are members of the opposition.
- GrammerPants, on 06/12/2008, -0/+9Anyone have a link to the actual law and all it's specifics?
Obviously this is a bad thing but what is it covering specificly and how is it worded.- Daumen, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6The law is being introduced tomorrow. Until then it remains private knowledge. So nobody has a link until then.
- bluetagpizza, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Cory Doctorow says that it's worse than the US version:
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/12/canadian-dmca ...
- ultraJesus, on 06/12/2008, -1/+16This computer has so much pirated crap on it I'm probably going to have to microwave the hard drive and buy a new one.
- linuxpenguin, on 06/12/2008, -0/+43Dear Canada, neighbor to the North, land of the 19-years drinking age,
Why?- TrevorPace, on 06/12/2008, -9/+17Because there are a lot of idiot farmers and people from Alberta who voted for the Conservatives. And the Liberals don't have the balls to stand up to them.
- unorginalityftw, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4I love how Alberta is continuously stereotyped and blamed for all the problems of Canada without any regard for looking into the reasons the province tends to vote Conservative, or the constant isolation and alienism felt by people here in regards to the Canadian government. While yes, there are a great many who do actually support the Conservatives, the split here is what I would say 50/50, with a large percentile of the half that don't really going along with it because the alternatives keep ***** them in the a-hole. It's a mostly 'revenge' issue. Since any option I choose is going to screw me over anyway, I may as well choose the option that doesn't just mess with me, but ***** with the rest of Canada to. As for any particular comment to government and corruption, well, every other party is just as bad, but in a variety of different ways. It's really a pick your poison.
- alpha88, on 06/12/2008, -2/+6Alberta: The Rednecks of Canada.
That's why they vote for Harper, the all-mighty Bush ass-kisser. - aidave, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4***** excuse. You vote Conservative because you wanted to "fit in" with all the others around you. Peer pressure made you cave cuz you have no balls.
- unorginalityftw, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2I haven't voted in anything yet. All I'm saying is, given the choice, I may as well make everyone else suffer with me. But I generally just hate humanity.
- unorginalityftw, on 06/12/2008, -2/+2@alpha88
Thank you for proving my point by being a stereotyping ass hole. Completely ignoring the fact that having been in several other provinces, I can safely say 'Rednecks' as you enjoy calling them thrive just about everywhere.
You're also a perfect example of why I hate humanity. Pious, self important, and with plenty of hubris.
@airdave
I have yet to vote in anything yet, having only been eighteen for a while. But I am saying that in my point of view, and given how I just generally hate humanity, I may as well choose the option that makes the rest of you suffer with me. I could give a ***** less about peer pressure or anything of that nature, I never have, nor will, bow to what others believe I should do. Though you're free to continue judging me anyway and think whatever you will. Most likely you believe this is ***** again. In truth, I could care less what comes from your mind. This rebuttal is for my own amusement. - alpha88, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1@unoriginalityftw
You're welcome? I couldn't care less what you think of me, it doesn't change the fact that I think you're a redneck. I was just making a general statement anyway, I have a couple friends that moved to Alberta for more money, and being from Ontario, they're not rednecks.
And I assure you, only Alberta is nearly full of rednecks. Other provinces have very few, and they probably moved from Alberta in the first place.
You only turned 18 recently, you'll find out soon enough.
Also, thought I'd point this out:
"I could care less what comes from your mind."
I COULD care less means that you care somewhat. If you had said I COULDN'T care less, it would have made sense. More proof that you're an uneducated redneck.
- alpha88, on 06/12/2008, -2/+6Alberta: The Rednecks of Canada.
- skidooer, on 06/12/2008, -0/+8Hey now. I'm a Canadian farmer. I listen to my downloaded MP3s on my iPod while I'm in the tractor so I am definitely against this.
- linuxpenguin, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6I don't see anything wrong with being conservative or liberal, but one way or the other - I'd think people would see what *our* DMCA has done for us (aka nothing good - now it's illegal for me to download the programs I need to watch my perfectly legal, paid-for DVDs on my computer since I run Linux. . . nevermind that I still had to pay the guy at Blockbuster for the DVD with the fingerprints all over it, and I paid a full $20 for all the ones I own).
I think I'd call myself conservative for the most part. . . but I could do without any pains in my ass or wallet. - sputza, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2The so called "idiot farmers" from Alberta voted for the conservatives because they are tired of getting ***** by the Liberal party time and time again. Many Canadians voted Conservative in the last election that had previously voted Liberal. Nobody is happy about this bill but I don't see the Liberal party coming to rescue the Canadian citizens any time soon.
- unorginalityftw, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4I love how Alberta is continuously stereotyped and blamed for all the problems of Canada without any regard for looking into the reasons the province tends to vote Conservative, or the constant isolation and alienism felt by people here in regards to the Canadian government. While yes, there are a great many who do actually support the Conservatives, the split here is what I would say 50/50, with a large percentile of the half that don't really going along with it because the alternatives keep ***** them in the a-hole. It's a mostly 'revenge' issue. Since any option I choose is going to screw me over anyway, I may as well choose the option that doesn't just mess with me, but ***** with the rest of Canada to. As for any particular comment to government and corruption, well, every other party is just as bad, but in a variety of different ways. It's really a pick your poison.
- megagram, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2218 years in some provinces, even! But seriously, I agree. Why!?!
I hate it when incompetent, greedy, selfish people get ahold of a country's leadership.- parfait, on 06/12/2008, -1/+5Has there ever been someone else in control of a country's leadership? The only people who seem to want the job are the last people on Earth who should have it.
- Technohamster, on 06/12/2008, -1/+2Alberta?
- Skootles, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Don't know why you're getting dugg down, but the drinking in Alberta AND Quebec is only 18. Thankfully it's just a 10-minute bus ride to Hull from here..
- Linake, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1The drinking age in Manitoba is also 18.
- Skootles, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Don't know why you're getting dugg down, but the drinking in Alberta AND Quebec is only 18. Thankfully it's just a 10-minute bus ride to Hull from here..
- AROZ, on 06/12/2008, -0/+7In Quebec, the drinking age of 18 is more of a suggestion.
- stuffradio, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Well no, pretty much anywhere here it is you're allowed to drink whatever you want if you have parents consent ;)
- Skootles, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1Try that with the cops when you get caught.. it doesn't work..
- stuffradio, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Well no, pretty much anywhere here it is you're allowed to drink whatever you want if you have parents consent ;)
- spaceman77, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5because we here in Canada don't vote governments in, we vote them out.
These conservatives are succeeding because the Liberals got too greedy and corrupt.
And now the Liberals are headed by a a weak and ineffective leader.
sigh ...- Linake, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Time to vote NDP!
. . . or Green Party?
- Linake, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Time to vote NDP!
- TrevorPace, on 06/12/2008, -9/+17Because there are a lot of idiot farmers and people from Alberta who voted for the Conservatives. And the Liberals don't have the balls to stand up to them.
- ntdesign, on 06/12/2008, -0/+9It still needs to be voted on, what are the chances of this getting through?
- johnlandes, on 06/12/2008, -0/+11Considering that they have a minority government, they seem to get a lot of this ***** through since the liberals are too ***** scared to challenge anything. The only thing that we can hope for is the senate delaying things until the Con's get taken back out
- kanuk20, on 06/12/2008, -1/+7Slim, the last time a bill like this came up the minister lost their job, and this one is worse then that one. I think the last one came from the conservative government too. It was only a couple years ago.
- aidave, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Times have changed in Canada and the media doesn't want to criticize Harper. Why, dunno.
- kanuk20, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Media criticizes Harper all the time, and I'm watching the government funded CBC. Unless your watching Global (which I find is fairly conservative.).
- twtmc, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2It's not going to happen. They have a levee on blank CDs already, they can't just retroactively make it illegal to do something they already taxed us for.
- Jenadae, on 06/12/2008, -0/+7I'm sorry guys... sorry that i cant get my Wii modchip from you anymore :(
- Liqkhaos, on 06/12/2008, -7/+1Don't do it, it's a trap!
- djdingo, on 06/12/2008, -10/+2Take THAT Canada!
/sarcasm - iCallShotgun, on 06/12/2008, -1/+43*****, this bill is such ***** *****.
***** the DMCA. ***** Jim Prentice. - dima1109, on 06/12/2008, -15/+2Wow. They are passing a law to outlaw stealing?
Crazy world!- kanuk20, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4They are pass a law that makes it illegal to rip your own CD on to your HDD or an iPod. It gets worse then that, if you were to buy a song off iTunes, the cops could pull you in on suspicion that you illegally ripped it or downloaded it.
- TheBuckett, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2What you fail to understand as to how much this really hurts everyone, consumers become afraid to support artists, record companies sue people are then take everything they own. And in turn they keep the money for themselves and not even give it to the artist.
- Technohamster, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1It makes it illegal for me to buy a game from E.B. Games and then use wine to play it on Linux or Mac. We need to circumvent DRM for it to work.
- LouTreize, on 06/12/2008, -0/+30Can I wake up one morning without worrying what to do next in my life? Can I?
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Contact Jim
Constituency Office
Suite 105
1318 Centre St NE
Calgary, Alberta T2E 2R7
403 216-7777
Fax 403 230-4368
Prentice.J@parl.gc.ca- gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3I sent him an e-mail and I assume that CSIS will be at my door in the morning to tase me and lock me up without a warrant.
- LouTreize, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Thanks for the support! One voice at a time...
- gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3I sent him an e-mail and I assume that CSIS will be at my door in the morning to tase me and lock me up without a warrant.
- Linake, on 06/12/2008, -2/+10Run DMC[A]!
- gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -8/+4I voted Conservative in the last election, but ***** this.
- Walker2323, on 06/12/2008, -1/+14Then you're a tool. And partially to blame for this.
- gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -5/+3They lowered the GST like they promised so I'm partially to thank for that too.
- anewname, on 06/12/2008, -2/+8You want an award? A gold sticker?
It wasn't worth it! - BoneheadFarker, on 06/12/2008, -1/+8So you save a few cents off your large double-double every morning, and the government loses millions in tax revenue in the process. The GST drop was a joke, and a slap in the face to every program that will be cut as a result. Thanks...
- Tyr7BE, on 06/12/2008, -1/+3Ugh - a 1% decrease in sales tax and they're in? How about taking a good hard look at some of their policies? How about the fact that the party is largely made up of homophobic racist elderly white male pricks? How about Harper cozying up to America's foreign policies?
That's pretty much all a politician has to do - promise a tax break. Most people are too simple to understand much beyond "less taxes means I pay less". Stop and think about the broader picture. - Linake, on 06/12/2008, -1/+2Thank god, because that 15% sales tax was killing me! Now that it's 14% I can finally afford that erasable pen I've been eyeing at the Mighty Dollar!
- anewname, on 06/12/2008, -2/+8You want an award? A gold sticker?
- gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -3/+2And who was I supposed to vote for? The Liberals? They are the ones who passed levies on recordable media.
- aidave, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4There are more than two parties in Canada.
Too bad some Canadians think politics is a hockey game and want to vote for the winners. - gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -2/+2I'm not voting NDP
- b0gus2008, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Where do the Green's stand on this issue?
- aidave, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4There are more than two parties in Canada.
- gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -5/+3They lowered the GST like they promised so I'm partially to thank for that too.
- Walker2323, on 06/12/2008, -1/+14Then you're a tool. And partially to blame for this.
- blankoboy, on 06/12/2008, -6/+26Way to go Canada, totally bending over and letting America f*ck in your tight ass. F-ing Pussy a-hole Canadian politicians would sail the Canadian populace up the river for a chance to suck Uncle Sam's sausage.
- aidave, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5Yup.
- b0gus2008, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2I agree with this statement. Especially the part "sail the Canadian populace up the river for a chance to suck Uncle Sam's sausage". Eloquent.
- shawn1122, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Dugg for truth. Harper would get on his knees for Bush without the slightest hesitation.
When's the next time we're going to get a guy in office that has some balls? *****, I'd take a person with one testicle, it'd be a huge improvement over what we've had for a while now.
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to say we shouldn't have a female prime minister. I just thought testicles was the best way to get my point across.
- katenga, on 06/12/2008, -2/+6forgive my ignorance but is this even legal?
- DarkStryke, on 06/12/2008, -1/+22Our country is run by a Bush wannabe, ***** the conservatives and ***** James Moore
- chris1012, on 06/12/2008, -1/+28I personally will now go out of my way to download as much music as possible through http dll's like rapidshare.
My main goal is to suck up ISP bandwidth since they ***** us over with bandwidth capping and to ensure that jim prentice and his "Canadian" DMCA fails.
I hate the Conservatives. Jack Layton or Stephan Dion need to be our next prime minister. Both are green and represent a lot of what we truly value and care about, Conservatives are the USA puppets.
The sad part is, I emailed my MP (a conservative :'( ) and I received a BS reply. Read it here: http://paste-it.net/public/q45e3a5/
Typical conservative response, they never answer the question or address the issue but they can make it look like they have addressed all of my concerns.- xciton, on 06/12/2008, -4/+2Wow, just Wow.
I guarantee you're life is much worse under a Liberal or even NDP gov't. You need to take a step back and look at the whole picture of what's going on. The problem is that the BIG media business boys are controlling govt's. It happened in the USA and it's happening in Canada. This would have happened (and almost did) under the Liberals just a few years ago.
This is NOT a conservative party problem, it's a big media company problem.
I hate this as well, but please don't think the Liberals/NDP are the solution.- Tyr7BE, on 06/12/2008, -1/+5NDP is about 10,000x more likely to stand up to big media than Conservative. Yes, NDP has its own problems, and I don't necessarily think that a majority or even opposition NDP government would be a good thing for this nation, but make no mistake they're a scrappy party and they will go to bat for John Q Public any day of the week.
- ragingflamerboy, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1........ You must be high. Obviously the conservative government ROCKS! it's doing so great!
yes!
oh wait.
it's not.
- ibmetom, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1You are delusional if you think the NDP with their leader Taliban Jack Leyton should have any more than the usual trivial role they play. The Liberals under Dion would not be an improvement, most Liberals don't even want him to be party leader let alone PM. We need a Ron Paul to come out of the woodwork. The idea that the vote on the bill won't happen due to summer session starting is quite plausible.
- chris1012, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1no wonder canada is slipping more and more each day, i never realized so many ppl were so blind about the conservatives.
Pretty sure it was the liberals that said no to bush about going to war, liberals that took canada out of deficit that the conservatives put us in, and it was the liberals that brought Canada into kyoto, but yet you think the conservatives are better?
:S:S:S
- xciton, on 06/12/2008, -4/+2Wow, just Wow.
- Berserk87, on 06/12/2008, -4/+6lets see...
($50,000 fine) X (1.3Tb of downloaded program/games/movies) = ?
ooooo *****.............- alpha88, on 06/12/2008, -0/+11.3Tb? ***** man, is that all you do all day?
- Tyr7BE, on 06/12/2008, -0/+11.3Tb is pretty normal. Pretty much everyone I know has 500Gb+.
- Zaneris, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4Who the hell measures their hard drive space in terabits?
TB my friends... terabytes, there's a significant difference.- Drull, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Almost missed that one.
- alpha88, on 06/12/2008, -0/+11.3Tb? ***** man, is that all you do all day?
- stinkypyper, on 06/12/2008, -0/+21What a crock of *****. You know the ISP's are gonna use this an excuse to shape the ***** out of the traffic. Try torrenting Ubuntu and they come knock on your door.
- alpha88, on 06/12/2008, -5/+2FUCCKKK! NOT COOL.
- Jareth86, on 06/12/2008, -3/+19What the ***** Canada; how could you let this happen? Get off your hockey watching asses and protest this *****!!
- gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -0/+8We can't were still in shock that Detroit won another cup!
- rocky1138, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Canadians are apathetic when it comes to politics.
This is what we consider graffiti in the city I live in (Guelph, Ontario): http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Vote_for_Nobody_PIC
Sad part is, it's true. Nobody in Canada really cares about this sort of stuff.
Half of my friends don't even know who the prime minister is. No joke. If you're in Canada, ask your friends who the prime minister is and watch their response. Usually you get a dull fake smile that says "Why are we talking about this?" and you get an awkward joke answer like "Jean Chrétien"- sweetholymosiah, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3i WISH he was still the PM... that guy single-handedly kept us out of the Iraq War, at a time when Stephen Harper was all for it. I'm amazed anybody will still vote for Harpey.
- Linake, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Um. . . your friends don't know who the Prime Minister is? Who are you hanging around with?
- SirChaos, on 06/12/2008, -15/+3When I see this quote on the above digg submission:
"In 1998, the US bill criminalized the majority of American net-users at the stroke of a pen with a bill that cost tens of thousands of downloaders their life's savings" --
Life Savings? How would it cost them their life savings, unless they were doing something illegal in the first place? Show me this tens of thousands crap.
I want to see backup where it has caused this, otherwise it's a lot of fluff.
Digg that.... - MrUploads, on 06/12/2008, -13/+0Wow, what a disgrace!
It is my god-given RIGHT to steal all the music, porn, and movies I want. In fact, my porn tube site that makes 10s of thousands of dollars per month off posting 30 minute stolen movies may now be threatened by copyright law. ***** *****! - Emachine, on 06/12/2008, -0/+51WTF bro, we already pay pirate tax on blank DVDs.
- Technohamster, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Yeah, and I use them for Linux.
- gavinonymous, on 06/12/2008, -0/+13If this becomes law will we drop all the copyright royalties we pay on blank media, dvd's cd's hard drives etc? There is an effective 'tax' on these products as it is.
What deterrent effect will this law have on anyone buying a CD, or renting a DVD, bringing it round to several friends houses and letting them rip it before returning it?
The point is - the content cannot be protected by law. This law would discriminate against one method of transferring copyright material only and probably wouldn't stand up in court. Our government decided that it was the medium that stores the content that can be taxed for royalties - and we have a system in place that works well now to compensate for the loss of income due to copying. (Didn't we already go through this with cassettes and VHS?)
Also, since when do Conservatives believe in regulating the free market? i-tunes is doing well, and movie receipts have never been higher. The argument that file sharing displaces a sale is bunk. The exact opposite is true; file sharing increases sales and performance royalties by increasing exposure.- WoollyMittens, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3They will never drop or lower any tax on anything. That's the only thing I understand about politics.
- user7, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Actually that leavy is only on CD-R's
- krnldmp, on 06/12/2008, -0/+11The "first world" governments are getting Way out of control.
- LinuxChild, on 06/12/2008, -0/+15And to think this idiot Jim Prentice is getting paid for this ***** when Canada's got much bigger problems to deal with.
- marmotman, on 06/12/2008, -0/+9I wouldn't be as mad if they hadn't shot down the bill to legalize weed... or to raise minimum wage or to stop cutting down trees here in BC or maybe if they killed the bill to raise the earnings of the liberals... Screw it I'm gonna go smoke my emotions away
- HurricaneAK, on 06/12/2008, -2/+1You live in Barrie? (Yes, Digg me down.)
- TheLostChild1, on 06/12/2008, -2/+9*sigh*
As a Canadian, I'm super disappointed in this news.
Really sad to hear :(- MegaHz, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2then do something about it, dont just be dissapointed and sad, tell as many people as you can about it and direct them to somewhere they can make a difference. write a letter, jump up and down, do anything but sitting there being disappointed.
out governments are elected, not appointed. If we dont like what they are doing, we have the right to elect someone else. Look at what we did to the Alberta economy, we elected a Ukrainian farmer and he drove all the oil business out of the province then spent our entire budget surplus. I have no ***** idea how he got re-elected, there are some dumb ***** people out here in Alberta.
- MegaHz, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2then do something about it, dont just be dissapointed and sad, tell as many people as you can about it and direct them to somewhere they can make a difference. write a letter, jump up and down, do anything but sitting there being disappointed.
- kbattack, on 06/12/2008, -1/+37DIGGERS!
If your Canadian and you VOTE, dont just send the old standard message that has been prepared (although it is well done I must say)! If you care then take 2 minutes and type a personal message and fill Prentice's email till it over flows. Heres and example of what I sent the A hole,
So Jim,
You think you can slip the bill to amend the Copyright Act in just before the (long overdue) apology to First Nations for residential schools? Well guess what, those Canadians that are connected to and informed about the internet (see: several million) are actually paying attention. This legislation that will follow the American style DMC Act is selling out Canadians and Canadian entrepreneurs so you and the conservatives can please our big neighbours to the South. I have written my MP and I hope this legislation does not go through. And if it does, remember, we use the internet (you should learn a bit more about it before you introduce bills) and we VOTE. So, hopefully those in Calgary Centre-North are aware of your proposed legislation, I know my cousins who live there are. I think they are going to tell their friends.....and maybe they will tell their friends......and maybe you wont have a seat next election. Good Luck,
-KB
Voter, Proud Canadian, Internet User, Supporter of Canadian Products- funzo, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Tell me about it. I sent one of those messages to my MP and this is how he's replied on June the 4th.
"> Subject: RE: I Support Balanced Copyright Reform
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:21:42 -0400
> From: Szabo.P@parl.gc.ca
> To: _____________
>
> Dear Allan,
>
> Thank you for sharing your views on copyright reform. I have received numerous similar communications form other constituents and I have been watching the issue carefully. The Government has also been swamped by correspondence and it appears that they are delaying any further action at this time. Hopefully that means that they are listening.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Paul Szabo MP "
How could he tell me that they're delaying it, yet this is coming up!
I'm gonna email him now and going to let him know how I feel. - habfan29, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I hope you don't mind if I take the basis of your letter and adjust it for my MP do you? I'd like to write him but I'm afraid if I start writing I'll go off on a crazy rant. Yours is perfect though, exactly the right tone.
- shawn1122, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Wow, that is well done. Pwned his ass without going too far.
- funzo, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Tell me about it. I sent one of those messages to my MP and this is how he's replied on June the 4th.
- ilikemonkeys1, on 06/12/2008, -0/+7Please! Whyyyyyyyyy!?!?!! I frickin' hate Canadian gov't!
- completerobot, on 06/12/2008, -8/+3http://tinyurl.com/ym3xuo
- PopcornDave, on 06/12/2008, -1/+9Canadians need to send them a message by contacting the advertisers of any media outlet that plays music and inform them that you are not going to buy the products advertised on their programs if this kind of crap continues. The only way to stop it, since brain dead politicians don't seem to be able to muster a collective thought between them, is to hurt the other manufacturers so that *they* go after the music industry.
Cut off a revenue source to one group and watch how fast they jump the ***** of the group affecting them. - laserblazer, on 06/12/2008, -0/+10The governments of the world have united against their peoples.
- thelastwarrior, on 06/12/2008, -0/+7Well... this shows only one thing... governments suck at going after the big sharks ie: terrorists and ending this God forsaken war... So in their failures they turn around and prey upon their own citizens... the very citizens they pledged to make lives easier for... The rich get richer and the middle class once again gets screwed.
- aidave, on 06/12/2008, -1/+3It's the citizens fault. Those damn pot smoking citizens. If only they were all in jail, then everyone would vote for more war, we could have a draft, and the world would be a safe, conquered place.
- Makr, on 06/12/2008, -0/+13Thing that bothers me is that most canadian bands are against this act.
- slightlygifted, on 06/12/2008, -1/+6STRIKE!
- skidooer, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1I'm not your friend, guy.
- stuffradio, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1That was uncalled for.
- Compactman, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1He's not your buddy friend!
- skidooer, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1I'm not your friend, guy.
- EdwardNigma, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5We must do everything in our power to stop this treachery.
- WoollyMittens, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2You have no power. Protesting merely labels you as a dissident terrrist.
- RSS14, on 06/12/2008, -3/+12Harper is a failure. He looks likes a prick too. ***** *****.
- Evicted, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1This bill won't pass the first reading, let alone the senate. Don't worry, Stephen Harper's ineffectual conservative minority don't have the power to do this, especially with the liberals chomping at the bit trying to give them bad press, and this, would be bad press.
- sweetholymosiah, on 06/12/2008, -1/+2unless they make it a confidence motion, like everything else this year. Then the cowardly libs will walk out, and it'll be up to the NDP and Bloc to stop it.
- galanz, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1The Liberals have already come out against this bill, but only because it doesn't go far enough.
Yeah that's right the liberals want even more restrictions fines etc.
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