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- macinturd, on 10/10/2007, -2/+104I was thinking of going back to comcast after my contract ended with qwest, but now I'm going to stay with qwest/xmission. At least Xmission doesn't pull that kind of B.S., though I wish I had the 7 meg DSL I was hoping to see soon in my area. Thanks for the heads up. I won't be doing business with comcast anytime soon.
- NgrHader, on 10/10/2007, -7/+52Does this really matter to non-torrent users though? I haven't downloaded anything in months. I've gone legit. Ok I lied
- Rodman930, on 10/10/2007, -1/+73you had me for a second...
- darkhero, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Qwest did the same to me. They said they didn't provide 7mebs in my neighborhood. They only give me 3mebs. But atleast they don't have a limit like Comcast. I seed all day and never got a complaint.
- aluminumpork, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24Qwest has 7meg service throughout my entire area, EXCEPT MY 2 BLOCK RADIUS... BASTARDS
- TheGuruStud, on 10/10/2007, -23/+2hack the modem and unlock to get at least 5? Just a thought that might work if they're full of *****.
- TheGuruStud, on 10/10/2007, -24/+2hack the modem and unlock to get at least 5? Just a thought that might work if they're full of *****.
- TheGuruStud, on 10/10/2007, -23/+1hack the modem and unlock to get at least 5? Just a thought that might work if they're full of *****.
- GawtMilk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+28hack your parkinsons and cool it with the submit button
- samdu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2DSL doesn't work like that. The speed isn't determined at the modem end. It's determined by distance from the CO and by technological means AT the CO. You can "uncap" a DSL modem all you want, but you'll not see an increase in speed because of it.
- TheGuruStud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I know that, but they lie a lot to save bandwidth or when they're too cheap or lazy to upgrade the lines. So they can probably do more than 3, but not close to 7 so they keep it at 3.
I didn't press the submit button more than once. I don't know wtf happened.
- TheGuruStud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I know that, but they lie a lot to save bandwidth or when they're too cheap or lazy to upgrade the lines. So they can probably do more than 3, but not close to 7 so they keep it at 3.
- yeshuadoom, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2You live too far from the central office to get 7mb... I'm on Time Warner and I haven't noticed anything yet as far as slower seeding, and Comcast owns Time Warner... the service isn't the best but its better than Verizon DSL for now, and its better since they fixed it (took 3 service calls to finally get someone who knew what they were doing to fix it).
- Dantetheinferno, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Comcast doesn't own Time Warner.
Time warner has 2x the revenue of Comcast, not to mention their own cable service (Road Runner).- slipgrid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1And businesses using Road Runner in the Cincy area have seen major problems the beginning of this week.
- Dantetheinferno, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Comcast doesn't own Time Warner.
- aluminumpork, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24Qwest has 7meg service throughout my entire area, EXCEPT MY 2 BLOCK RADIUS... BASTARDS
- OregonTrail, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4I was just seeding the Bioshock demo on Comcast. What's the problem? I may have misunderstood.
This guy was probably seeding an unpopular release type or didn't port forward correctly.- dracostimpy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Yeah I'm cruising right along getting the Bioshock demo torrent on Comcast. Should have the full 1.8GB in about 45 minutes. That's pretty good. Either it's bs or they're just testing it in certain places.
- OregonTrail, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah, they could have this set up somewhere else in the country. I happen to be on the east coast.
- Tack122, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1From what I understand, comcast users are able to use bittorent to and from other comcast but when it tries to get off of the comcast network the throttling starts.
- rebopper, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3That doesn't make sense.
- Linkin4, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1There is no way that's true, Comcast connections do not form a contiguous intranet where that would even be a viable solution to a bandwidth problem, that said, I haven't really noticed a drop off in seeding speeds, it's always been slow.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3The article is BS. They aren't stopping seeding or throttling it. Go grab some torrents and see for yourself.
- qMac, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Well you're lucky if they aren't throttling you yet. When I start torrents they will start seeding in the upwards of 200 kb/sec then after about 30 secs will fall to a steady 45 kb/sec which makes uploading hard as hell
- peevegrider, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1This story is *****. Buried as inaccurate. Comcast denies the whole rumor-mongering.
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9763901-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5- drakenlot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Like they would confirm it?
- peevegrider, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1This story is *****. Buried as inaccurate. Comcast denies the whole rumor-mongering.
- qMac, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Well you're lucky if they aren't throttling you yet. When I start torrents they will start seeding in the upwards of 200 kb/sec then after about 30 secs will fall to a steady 45 kb/sec which makes uploading hard as hell
- bhowell, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Google cache mirror: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&sa=G&strip=1
(Sorry for the comment abuse...) - DeathfireD, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I still don't see Comcast doing this to my pipeline or any of my friends lines. We can seed torrents fine even when not downloading..infact over the past month my bandwidth down and up has increased dramatically. So I'm not entirely sure this is effecting all Comcast users.
In any case if this is true then it's definitely going to crush any legitimate uses for bittorrent and possibly give it a bad label causing other ISPs to do the same thing. - kualla, on 10/10/2007, -0/+718003161619
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Pick a number and call and complain... remember, customer support starts at $9/hour with tech support surpassing $20/hr... ;)
Time that concrap, I mean comcast learns a lesson... - ghoti06, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11This sounds like a complete non-issue. Comcast says they're not doing it, and Comcast users say they're not experiencing it, and yet we're still picking up the pitchforks? This is nonsensical. Diggers should save their ammo for real outrages, not just "maybe" ones.
- ghoti06, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11This sounds like a complete non-issue. Comcast says they're not doing it, and Comcast users say they're not experiencing it, and yet we're still picking up the pitchforks? This is nonsensical. Diggers should save their ammo for real outrages, not just "maybe" ones.
- vornan19, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1I'm only with comcast because dsl was too much hassle to get in the apartment I'm living. The apartment was only for 6 months or so anyway. Soon I will move and go to a local ISP for my dsl.
- marx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4save the Internet, save the world
- MAJORstrasser, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"We all know Google pwns the internet. We start getting into the Tiered Internet setup and Microsoft gives a big payout to Comcast, requiring them to limit access to Google, while preferring access to Windows Live Search (or whatever the hell its called). They’ll make up some reason why its more efficient for bandwidth or some BS and you’ll have to pay more to get to Google."
***** duh they'd save on bandwidth. Who the hell uses, and would ever use, Live Search? - johnsweber, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0I actually dropped my cable modem service when my ISP (insight) DIDN'T offer bandwidth throttling, why? Because my cable connect area was bogged down by bit torrent. My 10mb connection maxxed out at 50KB/sec with a 500ping because every other person had bittorrent running.
I signed back on with them when they FINALLY implemented the throttled bittorrent. I'm sorry for those of you who were lucky enough to be the ***** who used everyone bandwidth, go dsl or something. You won't be missed. - Goosemaster, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1So let me get this straight:
Simply thinking about things for a moment, it seems that:
1) It is generally accepted that ISP's oversell their bandwidth like a good pimp oversells his whores
2) It is generally accepted that legit BT traffic is not what we are talking about here
3) It is generally accepted that BT adds considerable traffic, and the corresponding load to an ISP's network.
4) It is generally accepted that most people are only being throttled NOT blocked
5) It is generally accepted that people don't RTFM ( the EULA)
6) It is generally accepted that broadband providers state explicitly that their services do not cater, and in many cases prohibit, server-type usage
7) It is generally accepted that ISP's here in the US price gouge when it comes to upload rate/$
8) It is generally accepted that these days a lot of unlawful activity occurs via BT ..oh, and porn...
Now to the important ones:
9) It is generally accepted that TIERED SERVICE REFERS TO CONTENT PROVIDERS WHO PAY FOR BANDWIDTH TO PROVIDE CONTENT
10) It is generally accepted that ISPs GENERALLY DEEM IT INAPPROPRIATE, VIA A EULA, TO USE HOME BROADBAND SERVICES IN A CONTENT PROVIDER ROLE.
Frankly, the issue of Tiered internet is a serious one.
Content provider such as yahoo and google already pay for bandwidth from a SP, and having SP-to-SP issues such as peering agreements and general bickering filter down to the Content Providers is a serious issue.
That said, just because you DIDN’T READ THE FVKIGN MANUAL does NOT mean that IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO MISINTERPRET A SERIOUS ISSUE FOR HITS TO YOUR WEBSITE OR OTHER PATHETIC ATTENTION-GRABBIGN SCHEMES.
GET THIS THOUGH YOUR SKULL:
GRAVE MISINTERPRETATIONS SUCH AS THESE ONLY SERVE TO DILUTE THE TRUE ISSUES, AND ONLY SERVE TO HURT THE CAUSE AS A WHOLE.
SO STFU, GET A HOST TO HOST YOUR DAMN IMAGES, AND DEAL WITH IT.
JUST BECUASEA CORPORATION WILL NOT SIT DOWN WIH YOU AND READ THE EULA OUTLOUD AS A BEDTIME STORY DOES NOT MAKE IT APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO SPREAD SUCH FUD.
I thought you people had more sense....this has NOTHING to do with the "freedom" aspect of preventing tiered internet.
Frankly, the SP's fvked themselves over by overselling their bandwidth, and uses for broadband such as legit music services, legit video services, NGs, BT, and more are simply overloading their pathetic infrastructure.
Sorry I had to yell, but this fvkign topic has almost 3000 diggs and it's all based on ignorance.
Hell, I'll support you in bashing ISP and SP's, but for got sake man, stop being a douche and do some research before you let mob mentality take over.
- NgrHader, on 10/10/2007, -7/+52Does this really matter to non-torrent users though? I haven't downloaded anything in months. I've gone legit. Ok I lied
- sanchiro, on 10/10/2007, -38/+2What frustrates me is that lack of Printer Friendly option here. I printed out the article and attached comments, taking 9 pages, when if it would render in a printer friendly format using the entire page instead of a landing strip down the middle, it would only require 2 to 3 pages to print everything. Please, include a Print link to render the page more appropriate for printing.
- neoneddy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+4Proper CSS Media binding wil render a very nice printable page transparent to the user.
- Myonosken, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Duh....Copy and paste it into Word perhaps?
- rebopper, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1You use Word? Man, try notepad. Just try.
- fusionFactor, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Why not just turn the printer off after the last page you want prints, then go to your queue and delete the job, then turn the printer back on after clearing that paper jam? Yeah, that'll do it...
- u235sentinel, on 10/10/2007, -9/+128Unfortunately Comcast really doesn't care. They have been an abusive company for many years and I don't believe it will get better. Only projects such as Verizon FioS and Utopia will remove their Government Sponsored Monopoly and give American's quality Internet services (which we've already paid over 200 Billion for in the 90's under Clinton's NII). I've found and linked all this in my blog.
http://comcastissue.blogspot.com- DanH, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23you really think Verizon cares about breaking a monopoly? ha.
- mastercheif, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Yes, because if people are in a monopoly, they can't make money off of them.
- fryguy1013, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3no no, you mean if people are in jail you can't make money off of them.. until they roll doubles at least
- jackal42, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1I guess they block certain ports right? Well they cant block http:80. So Surely there is a way to hack around this if it became mainstream. like maybe encapsulate the files data into an html file somehow, although probably not as slick, there's got to be ways around this?
- cawpin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You obviously haven't tried to run a home web server through an ISP that does block it. They can block incoming requests to your home and your internet will still work fine. Both Qwest and Cox do it in Phoenix, where I am, and it pisses me off. Insight, in Indiana, didn't block ANYTHING AT ALL and I was quite happy.
- mastercheif, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Yes, because if people are in a monopoly, they can't make money off of them.
- Denelson83, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Obviously, Comcast is just another corporation that will do anything to get as much profit as possible, even if it means oppressing us even more. Time for Comcast to get its charter revoked!
- Viper244, on 10/10/2007, -20/+1If people didn't pirate software there would be no need or desire to do such things. This goes for DRM, product keys, activation and the like. You can thank all the pirates and thieves.
- gooberdude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4End yourself please.
- IllBeBack, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1You first.
- ashmael, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Hmm, a few kids at lunch are stealing lunches. From now on we won't let them eat their whole lunches. Every child must submit their lunches for approval, and then, upon approval, will receive one edible item which they will be expected to consume in the time allotted.
But oh boy, its the fault of those damn kids stealing!
Seriously, to punish everyone for a few's behavior is ridiculous, and what's more ridiculous is the amount of apathy there is in America, as people will say "what can I do" and then keep paying Comcast.
- gooberdude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4End yourself please.
- MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Wait, did you just say Comcast was *****, only to turn around and call Verizon our savior? Dude, are you crazy? Verizon is as bad as anyone else, if not worse.
- u235sentinel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Actually I guess I infer that unintentionally. I've heard the stories about Verizon doing the same thing. I didn't realize it was two sides of the same coin.
So that leaves us with Public fiber. Works for me :D
- u235sentinel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Actually I guess I infer that unintentionally. I've heard the stories about Verizon doing the same thing. I didn't realize it was two sides of the same coin.
- gaucho4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Good thing I'm switching to Utopia this week from Comcast!
- galiean251, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8It hurts to be saying this - but here in South NJ, Verizon is the underdog as Comcast has contracts and agreements with almost every town and municipality down to the fact they sponsored the new "Welcome to" our town signs so that each one has a little tiny Comcast logo at the bottom. Verizon, the 800 lb gorilla elsewhere had to fight a massive Comcast FUD campaign and legal fights with the towns (because the Comcast agreements used the words "exclusive") just to get "in the game". Six years ago, I swore I would never use Verizon again when I gave up my land line. Now, I finally can have decent internet and TV through their FiOS service and my bill went from 130/mo for Comcast Digital w/ Internet (only option being a DVR) to 100/mo for the same with Verizon, but now I have HD, a DVR that can share between rooms, and HBO. So there's the sick thought: Verizon just might be the monopoly breaker (at least in my area).
When I canceled Comcast, it was also the first time they ever offered to lower my bill when I said I switched to FiOS. I didn't get a chance to bitch about the bittorrent blockage since they did that right after I switched. - ronaldinho, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Makes it glad I have RCN at the moment, Comcast is the absolute worst out there
- emehrkay, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1im more scared of fios than comcast.
- CalmLlama, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Community owned ISPs are the way to go. http://www.ashlandfiber.net/ It isn't always the fastest, but they have no reason to lie to me or to sell me crap. No inserting adds into my web pages, no torrent blocking or tiered internet. That kind of stuff is too much work for a city employee, and they won't do it.
- static416, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You guys in the US have been getting off easy. In Canada, all cable internet has bittorrent throttled and they still deny it after years and tons of proof. Until legislation is passed on Net Neutrality you guys can expect more of this. It's only going to get worse.
- emuprophet, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Utopia can be just as bad. They cap your bandwidth to 100gb/month and they've been promising 30Mbps for many years.. at least FIOS can offer us that and they don't cap yo ass.
- u235sentinel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0That's not a Utopia cap. You are speaking of Xmission offering Internet service through Utopia's Infrastructure. Utopia provides no services. Only the Infrastructure.
FYI... if you want more bandwidth, Xmission will sell you more. Just speak with their sales department. I believe they have the tiers in place already. At least that's the last word I've heard.
- u235sentinel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0That's not a Utopia cap. You are speaking of Xmission offering Internet service through Utopia's Infrastructure. Utopia provides no services. Only the Infrastructure.
- DanH, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23you really think Verizon cares about breaking a monopoly? ha.
- wisedude, on 10/10/2007, -5/+195although it's a dupe, I'm digging it because it's ***** important
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -19/+8It's also not true. Go and download some torrents and see for yourself.
- kjm16, on 10/10/2007, -7/+5You work for Comcast. Go ***** yourself.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6I work for comcast because my torrents work fine? No, I don't. But my torrents still work. Like I said, go ahead and download some torrents and see for yourself. Learn to use your brain and stop believing all the crap on the internet.
- toolsdrummer, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7just because they work for you doesn't mean they work for all of us. my service has been affected since about 2 weeks ago. at first my torrent upload speeds were reduced to 40K/sec instead of the normal 90K/sec. then yesterday and tonight i've noticed my Daily Show/Colbert Report torrents aren't seeding. it obviously isn't some magic switch they turned on across the board. some people are affected, some aren't (yet).
- elcaminos, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I have comcast and I have never been able to seed a torrent at more than 40-50kbps. I've had their service for about 3 years.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -6/+5And you assume it's because comcast is throttling traffic? There could merely be an issue in parts of their network. If they were going to make a stand against torrents it would have been across the board. But it's not. It would be intresting to see a map of the areas people are reporting being affected.
- ghoti06, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I cannot believe archer is being VOTED DOWN because of an apparent FACTUAL ASSERTION.
KJM, do you have proof that he's wrong? Or is he just saying something that makes you upset? This has mob mentality written all over it.
He's not saying you have to love Comcast -- just that you have to be accurate if you're going to criticize it. - cawpin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Do you have any proof that he's correct? No, you don't. Also, to assert that all changes would be "across the board" is just plain stupid. I guess that means that every customer of each ISP gets the same speeds as every other customer on their ISP. That obviously isn't the case.
- ghoti06, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I cannot believe archer is being VOTED DOWN because of an apparent FACTUAL ASSERTION.
- kjm16, on 10/10/2007, -7/+5You work for Comcast. Go ***** yourself.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -19/+8It's also not true. Go and download some torrents and see for yourself.
- alphacoder, on 10/10/2007, -1/+52But Comcast and other such monopolies will care once you write your politicians at the city and county level informing them of their complicity in such tactics aimed at their constituents.
I'm serious, until we all make these real issues at the municipal and state level - just like Comcast and the rest have done with their lobbying - then not much may happen in our favor. It's one thing for the lobbyists to throw money at candidates but the bottom line is, candidates live for votes. Yes, money helps buy airtime which influences voters but a local campaign that speaks up for a majority of citizens' interests over those of a monopoly shouldn't have too much difficulty. - Armor1901, on 10/10/2007, -4/+111***** Comcast and this ***** tiered service.
- ghoti06, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1F... er, screw thinly sourced allegations against Comcast and the people who didn't test it for themselves before piling on (and digging up this guy (is this what passes for discourse now?).
- svivian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Uh, newsflash guys... nearly EVERY ISP already has tiered a Internet service. Why do you think they all have multiple plans costing different amounts? It's because you need to pay more to use more bandwidth. It's very simple, there are very few ISPs that have unlimited usage these days.
My ISP (PlusNet, in the UK) gives Bittorrent traffic higher priority to users on the higher plans, but even so, BT isn't particularly slow for me. It makes perfect sense.- cawpin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We don't have a problem with paying more for higher speeds but that doesn't mean we don't mind being packet shaped. I'm already paying for my bandwidth. They shouldn't be throttling me just because I'm using the "bad" protocols.
- TheMidnight, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You pay for the speed of the transfer, not how much usage you get. 5 Mbps is not the same as 100GB/month.
- svivian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No, most ISPs, in the UK anyway, have download limits. Our plan is 8GB/month. We don't pay for the speed, we get as fast as our phone line can handle which is 3Mbps for us, 8Mbps if you're closer to the exchange.
- Scotepi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2thank god im in maine..
not that we have comcarp here but filtering the internet is illegal in maine!!!
- moocow1452, on 10/10/2007, -2/+26Comcast is blocking me from looking out the blog, that or it's down. Mirror?
- Okari, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I can still access it with Comcast.
- Woofcat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6down, from Canadian isp so not comcast's doing.
- Okari, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23Boy it sure would be nice to be able to refresh and still be able to edit my comments.
- RedClaw, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3Sure didn't take long for the digg effect to take that site down...and no available mirror.
- Ipp07, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Is this hosted via comcasts tiered service?
- ProKid, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17Just when they started to make it usefully fast with uploads. I ***** hate Comcast.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2The article is BS. Download some torrents and see for yourself.
- kjm16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You're full of B.S.
How much do they pay you? - jetjaguar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I have downloaded torrents to see for myself. Downloading is not the problem--I get the same speeds I ever did in that case. However, when trying to seed what I've downloaded, leechers are not able to connect for more than about 30 seconds before the connection is choked off.
- kjm16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You're full of B.S.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2The article is BS. Download some torrents and see for yourself.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/10/2007, -5/+34Well they're denying that they are throttling bittorrent connections.. but there's no way to confirm this I guess.
http://digg.com/tech_news/Comcast_Denies_Limiting_BitTorrent_Traffic- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -6/+8They aren't. My bittorrent has been going almost solid for two months. They haven't slowed or stopped anything. Nor complained about the bandwidth i'm using.
- MrESaulved, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9I have already replied to a thread on this subject, I have been throttled, meaning my UL and DL speeds are much lower than normal. I have since encrypted Azureus traffic, and all is well again, my DL and UL speeds are back to normal (64k U 754k D) This began within two weeks.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I've been throttled too. Just last month I was uploading and downloading like a champ, now I'll be lucky to get 15k up (although it usually hovers between 0 and 1).
- TempestStorm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I have Comcast and I have torrents and I'm still perfectly okay..?
- gl77, on 03/31/2008, -2/+70***** monopoly having bastards...........I WANT A CHOICE, DAMMIT!
- reed311, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1You can use dialup or DSL. Yeah, it isn't the same, but they don't have a monopoly on the Internet.
- KingGorilla, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3dial up? come on. it's a monopoly
- deadbaby, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You can have choice. DSL, Fiber, non-Comcast cable internet, wifi. If you don't have choice where you live it's probable that it's not profitable for anyone to invest the money in building out to you. In which case Comcast's monopoly works in your favor. (unless you like dial up)
- gwhardyiv, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1***** that. Freedom From Choice FTW.
- streetstealth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'd been considering switching to Comcast ever since AT&T's NSA whoring came to light.
But they're the only two options in my area, so now it's a choice between:
a) maybe get spied on
b) definitely get non-neutral net
And so I guess I'll just have to stick with the maybe. Wow, this free market sure is great!
- reed311, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1You can use dialup or DSL. Yeah, it isn't the same, but they don't have a monopoly on the Internet.
- ErBiC, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1279 diggs and already down... mirror?
and yeah, ***** comcast. i can't wait until verizon gets off their collective ass and runs FiOS out to where I live.- aidanr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24still up for me, you with comcast? :P
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Sunday afternoon I finished setting up a dedicated rtorrent server for seeding Ubuntu .iso images. I do my best to hand out all the CDs I can, but I also figured I could make use of the bandwidth I have to do the same. Once I got on that idea I realized I had access to two Comcast connections (family) where I could drop in two more of these “rtorrent appliances”. So, I got to work setting a second one up and dropped it on the network at my Dad’s house.
Wasn’t I surprised to find that my seeds weren’t taking off. After some quick Google searching I found that Comcast is cutting torrent connections nearly across the board. All across the internet people are complaining about Comcast not letting them seed anymore–and many of these for completely legal material!
I know bittorrent is associated with a lot of pirating. Hell, so was ftp and whatever other protocol you want to drop in here. This doesn’t mean that it is *only* used for pirating. This doesn’t mean that there aren’t legit reasons to use the efficient protocol. Apparently Comcast doesn’t see it this way.
The way I see it this is the first step toward a Tiered Internet, whether or not any such thing is approved in Legislation or by the consumers. Comcast doesn’t care. They are simply cutting off access to part of the Internet, plain and simple.
I would not be surprised at all to soon hear that Comcast will allow bittorrent traffic, for an additional fee. If you *really* want to use that protocol you can pay us more, but otherwise we don’t deem it as part of “normal internet usage”. Once that starts what is to stop the avalanche that will happen next?
“You want access to YouTube? It really uses a lot of bandwidth and we weren’t expecting most people to use more than casual browsing and email. That’ll be $5/mo additional.”
If Comcast is able to start cutting off access to internet protocols they are already to the Tiered Internet that will only become grounds for corruption and extortion. Who will be next?
The telecoms like the idea of a Tiered Internet because they can then extort both sides of the product. Since they are the middle-man they can charge more to the consumers for access to “the whole internet” and charge more to large domains and take pay-outs from big online powerhouses to provide “better or preferred” access to them.
What do I mean by that? We all know Google pwns the internet. We start getting into the Tiered Internet setup and Microsoft gives a big payout to Comcast, requiring them to limit access to Google, while preferring access to Windows Live Search (or whatever the hell its called). They’ll make up some reason why its more efficient for bandwidth or some BS and you’ll have to pay more to get to Google. They would be in the perfect position to rake in huge piles of money from both ends, with nothing to stop them.
The internet needs to stay open. The *whole* internet. Not the convenient internet. Not the bandwidth friendly internet. Not the bribed-into-becoming-the-new internet. The whole internet. All protocols. All sites. All networks.
If Comcast is allowed to continue cutting off even one protocol we’ve already lost. Voice your opinion. Contact your local office. Complain. Make some noise. Switch providers.
Until then I’ll be getting these two Comcast connections switched to a competitor. It may be a slower internet (in my area) on DSL, but at least its the whole internet.
Update: Visit Save The Internet and let your voice be heard!- hexydes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Well, it's hard for me to complain about Comcast, since I haven't connected my computer to the Internet via Comcast in over five years.
People, please; stop giving Comcast more money. I don't care if it means dealing with 128Kbps DSL, do it. If you don't, you'll soon find yourselves paying Comcast $300 a month for their "uber special all TV and NET package!"...which will basically be what you had now but with one more Mbps (some restrictions apply, see offer for details), and three more MTV sub-channels. - kualla, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"The telecoms like the idea of a Tiered Internet because they can then extort both sides of the product. Since they are the middle-man they can charge more to the consumers for access to “the whole internet” and charge more to large domains and take pay-outs from big online powerhouses to provide “better or preferred” access to them.
What do I mean by that? We all know Google pwns the internet. We start getting into the Tiered Internet setup and Microsoft gives a big payout to Comcast, requiring them to limit access to Google, while preferring access to Windows Live Search (or whatever the hell its called). They’ll make up some reason why its more efficient for bandwidth or some BS and you’ll have to pay more to get to Google. They would be in the perfect position to rake in huge piles of money from both ends, with nothing to stop them."
I nearly completely agree except I think they wont make up any excuse as to why they favor one company to another, rather simply ignore the issue.
- hexydes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Well, it's hard for me to complain about Comcast, since I haven't connected my computer to the Internet via Comcast in over five years.
- aidanr, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1ok, now it's down
- aidanr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24still up for me, you with comcast? :P
- owine, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5the site could use some internet period.
- D3koy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+32It's Comcast-*****!
- knodi, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Time to cancel my Comcast. My only option is Wide Open West, and I'm glad to take them over Comcast.
- EmperorAwesome, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5WOW ***** rules. I just moved and had to switch to comcast. The speed is the same as I had before, but I never appreciated how friendly WOW was until now.
- maou, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0WOW is a really great ISP. Of all the broadband internet I've used, WOW has been the best. You'll be much happier with them!!
- TheMidnight, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Can you play WoW over WOW?
- abe913, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Switching from comcast to WOW a few years ago was a damn good decision!
- gl77, on 03/31/2008, -6/+29amazing that where i live in Jacksonville, FL, the largest city in the country (land wise) only has comcast for cable tv and internet. but somewhere like BFE Idaho has 4 or 5 choices. what the *****, bury me, im just ranting
- peestandingup, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yeah, JAX here too man. Im new here, but is there SERIOUSLY no other alternatives?? Im on the westside, BTW. I thought some people here had fios.
- gl77, on 03/31/2008, -0/+1i havent dont know of anyone with fios, but i could be wrong too probably just got it if its available. , im in Mandarin been here for a year.
- chrisbarr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Same here in Panama City, FL. Comcast is the only option out where I live, I have no choice. Same goes for cable TV service too.
When I move in the near future I'll probably have the option of choosing Knology.....so we'll see how that goes. - JacobVorpahl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I'm here in Jax as well, on the Westside, and you could get Clearwire but, it's not the fastest thing around. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, we are the largest city and we have one option.
- linuxlizard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I live in Boise, Idaho. BFE is the next town over.
We have: Qwest (DSL, limited to 1.5Mbps), CableOne (allegedly 6Mbps cable), ClearWire (wireless), DirectTV satellite. Probably some others whose billboards I haven't seen yet.
Had to drop DSL and go with cable because it's the only thing above 2Mbps. Pay through the nose for a "business" account so I can have a static IP address. - Tejiant, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I live in Jacksonville as well. About a year ago I had to call Comcast due to some connection issues. Then while the technician was on the phone trying to figure out what's going on, I kinda asked him if they intended on providing a fiber optic service anytime soon. My buddy in California just upgraded it an FiOS for about $30-$40/mo, and here I am paying about $70/mo on cable internet. The tech basically told me there's no other competition here and they are fastest in the area so they have no incentive to provide something like an FiOS service now. So basically they aren't going to do ***** until some other company comes along and people start going to them. I tried them all here. Clearwire was slower than dial modem at times, DSL kept giving me disconnects, and I know I had the DSL filter on every line. Playing MMORPGs it sucks having to relog into Bellsouth's mainpage, then log back onto a game and apologize to your party for the d/c 3-4 times a night. So I finally got comcast. It's been good so far, but now I'm slowly starting to see they my seeds on torrents are not connecting very well and taking forever to get my ratio high enough to stop my seeds. I hope we get a better option sooner or later here in the Jacksonville area.
- Pizza_Hutte, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Please contact the city and complain about this. They have a special department in charge of collecting complaints about Comcast since they give them a monopoly. The information on who to contact is at http://www.coj.net/Departments/Administration+and+Finance/Public+Information/Cable+Television+Franchise+Manager.htm
- po43292, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Actually 2 cities in Alaska are bigger than Jacksonville. http://geography.about.com/od/specificplacesofinterest/a/sitkaarea.htm
- peestandingup, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yeah, JAX here too man. Im new here, but is there SERIOUSLY no other alternatives?? Im on the westside, BTW. I thought some people here had fios.
- JenadaeXX, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6I really wish CableVision from Long Island NY would become bigger. I used to host a webpage and an active Warez FTP off my connection there. America is so behind on this stuff, its becoming rediculous
- nukem996, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You mean optonline? They suck. I down do anyway warez at all but I do have lots of ssh sessions open and there slow as hell. My girlfriends DSL(768kb/256kb) is much faster then optonline(10meg/1meg) because of all the capping they do.We're moving to FIOS next week because I can't do my work with cable.
- JenadaeXX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1:( damn they sold out aswell!? when they first offered cable internet service we all ***** ourselves with 50mbit/10mbit service!
- nvisi0n, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Ya, Optonline sold the ***** out. I got em and I can't stand em, but its free with my rent FTW!
- nukem996, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You mean optonline? They suck. I down do anyway warez at all but I do have lots of ssh sessions open and there slow as hell. My girlfriends DSL(768kb/256kb) is much faster then optonline(10meg/1meg) because of all the capping they do.We're moving to FIOS next week because I can't do my work with cable.
- dankCIA, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttles-bittorrent-traffic-seeding-impossible/
can't access the link myself. but this link was posted earlier and i think it is relevant- louiedog, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4A few days ago I couldn't seed any torrents. Today I tried again and they seed just fine. I don't know if they undid it because of bad press or what.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2I have had no problems with torrent. I call the article BS.
- GliTCH82, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Dude would you shut the ***** up already? You've replied to around 10 other people that have this problem saying you don't have it. Maybe you're just lucky, you dumb *****, or maybe you'll lose your non-tiered service tomorrow. Obviously there's a problem, or there wouldn't be people talking about it and complaining. We get it; you have Comcast, you can seed, whoop-de-*****-do.
- Bartboy919, on 10/10/2007, -2/+39First they take my TechTV and now this! Hey comcast, I've got you tiered internet right here!
- soot, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1the internet, lol
- jorgepblank, on 10/10/2007, -0/+59For those who don't know what Tiered Internet is (I didn't): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiered_Internet
- martat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.
- SleeperCivic, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0We need to see this Info ... the Webpage is down...
- baldycraig, on 10/10/2007, -7/+7There is only one word for this... Comcastic.
- aresef, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9AH *****. I'm a podcaster, and I recently moved my show from Podomatic to libsyn and promised to eventually put my old episodes up on a torrent or something. This is ***** wonderful for me.
Coincidentally, we just got a mailing from Verizon about FiOS and this will definitely be a factor in switching.- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -12/+1It's a BS article. They aren't throttling torrents or stopping seeding. Download a torrent and see for yourself.
- aresef, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I did. It wouldn't seed.
- radiometric, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1get fiber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, if it is an option, go for it.
I recently made the switch from dsl to fiber [surewest ftw] and it was a bigger jump than the jump to dsl from dialup was.
And I only have the 10meg line [that's 10megs dl and 10meg upload, although it spikes over 60 in speedtests on upload
and averages much higher than 10megs for upload [closer to 35megs!]
The dl speed is consistently 10megs.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -12/+1It's a BS article. They aren't throttling torrents or stopping seeding. Download a torrent and see for yourself.
- koughen, on 10/10/2007, -2/+60This is the funniest thing I have seen all day. As I was reading this (pissed off, like the rest of you) I couldn't get over the irony of what I saw. I took a screen shot and posted it here, if you care to share in it.
http://www.koughen.com/comcast.png- sadsadrobot, on 10/10/2007, -12/+6Ha ha, you don't have AdBlock Plus.
- MarvinGalaxy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4That's exactly what I thought! I have never seen anything useful from an outside-served web ad so I will never let one display in my browser. Serve your own ads that might have a chance of being relevant to the site content and I'll bite.
- archd3, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0how'd that weird picture on the right get there?
- AlienFarmer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Nice bro! I had to take a screen shot of that myself... I didn't see it at first since i got ad block installed so thax for sharing.
- heyimkale, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Did your ad blocker take the day off?
- sadsadrobot, on 10/10/2007, -12/+6Ha ha, you don't have AdBlock Plus.
- k1down, on 10/10/2007, -4/+31When World of Warcraft patch day rolls around, there are going to be some pissed of Comcast customers.
Comcastic!- chouch, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1
- 1stJonnyDee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Come again?
- ashmael, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Probably something about derivative, repetitive gameplay when surrounded by the most obnoxious children ever to grace this planet.
- jm9206755, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Blizzard uses Bittorrent to push out their patches.
- ashmael, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Probably something about derivative, repetitive gameplay when surrounded by the most obnoxious children ever to grace this planet.
- 1stJonnyDee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Come again?
- MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3With any luck, it'll get them to stop playing WoW...
- chouch, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1
- mikesly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Come on Verizon FIOS come to my area already. They are in the two towns to my north, south, east and west. How is that possible?
- ElectricMunk, on 10/10/2007, -10/+19http://www.copowi.com/
Net neutrality respecting startup ISP. Bit pricy compared to other DSL but 7/1 MBS down/up for 59.99 a month isn't bad. No throttling etc. Available in 12 western states since they are just getting started but let em know if you are interested. They will expand. We need to demand new business models and SUPPORT them. More action, less talk.
www.therealnews.com
www.democracynow.org
www.truthout.org
Where do you get your news?- ricefarmer, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3why are u being dugg down???
- gooberdude, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1omg he's being buried by comcast
- Kwipper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I have to admit, I don't think Comcast is going to give a ***** about those who don't like them because they're interfering with torrent uploads. In their eyes, the majority of people who use torrent services today are people who pirate media, so why should Comcast give a ***** if they're ***** up their service for those who violate their TOS anyways? I'm not siding with Comcast, just trying to see the situation from their viewpoint. That is all.
- noblepaladin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Why should they care? Because those pirates will get FiOS or any other ISP when the option comes. The reason why Comcast can get away with throttling traffic is because they have local monopolies in many regions. It is the same reason why Comcast provides regions that have FiOS 16Mbps/2Mbps speeds while regions without FiOS gets at most 8Mbps/768Kbps (on the faster tier).
- rkuchiki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Because the internet bill is one bill a pirate does pay :P
- Gadren, on 10/10/2007, -11/+25So... still think that Ron Paul and his anti-net-neutrality stance is so great?
- maiku00, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10KUCINICH 08
- Hananda, on 10/10/2007, -11/+8Yes, yes I do. While I personally believe that the government-subsidized nature of the Internet makes it subject to government regulation at the level that provided subsidization, I have yet to see an overall superior candidate to Ron Paul.
But, I'll tell you what, you vote for your guy, I'll vote for mine. - TJATL, on 10/10/2007, -9/+14Yes because it's the people that should either demand a change or start a company to compete. It's not the government's job to "fix" everything you see wrong in the free market, it's YOUR job as a consumer to dictate what the market does. Seeing as how you fail to see this, I'm guess you are going to or have vote Democrats in office. Why would you even want to allow Congress to dig their claws into regulating the internet? Have you even heard of the FCC? PLEASE DON'T VOTE!
- gooberdude, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3It's the governments job to make sure these companies don't establish monopolies so the consumer still has the power to dictate what the market does. How can consumers in areas only served by comcast "vote with their wallets"? Please, look up the history of monopolies and anti-trust in America.
- panzergeist, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Why yes, because that would mean that Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and others would not be able to negotiate contracts with local municipalities, any competitor could come into any area at any time and if I wanted to, I could start my own wifi ISP without fear of the big guys lobbying me into oblivion. We're in this mess because corps can get the government to back them up. Now, because of that idiotic move the only way it can be fixed with the least amount of pain to consumers is to have the government control everything an ISP can do.
The more painful route is to get the governments fingers completely out of it, and deal with the repercussions of their initial involvement for the next ten to twenty years. The payoff is that it will not be able to happen again. I don't know, I guess I just believe in the principle that if everyone has equal footing without aid from an outside influence, there is a better opportunity for real competition. That equal footing has to come from either complete government control, or complete lack of government control.
You obviously want the former. I want the latter. We both want the same thing but believe in a different path to reach it. Mine has the caveat that it's susceptible to collusion and a corporate controlled monopoly. Your's comes with the caveat that it's susceptible to corruption and a government controlled monopoly.- blorc, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Fantastic response. +1 and /friend for you.
- thecoolestguy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+9Yes because the government has no right telling corporations what services they can or cannot provide. It's the consumer's job to find a corporation that meets their needs and create a contract which guarantees that they provide that service uninterrupted. The government's job is to enforce that contract if the corporation doesn't live up to its promises.
- rhinopig, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Why the cable companies usually have local monopolies: http://www.freedomworks.org/informed/issues_template.php?issue_id=2817
And as for teleco's: http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cjv14n2-6.html (hint, it has to do with AT&T and more government regulation).
- gamer31, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15How am i supposed to download my Linux ISOs and my Creative Commons CDs now?
- zingyGecko, on 10/10/2007, -7/+0http
- gamer31, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7So the non-profit linux organizations should host 700 meg ISO files instead of being able to lighten their load with bittorent?
- Pilot85, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9now you must use windows.
- panzergeist, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Three words: You're not.
- zingyGecko, on 10/10/2007, -7/+0http
- Pheonixx, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1just do newsgroups...they cant stop that
- SiRwhilms, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Comcast limits transfer on those too.
- psykiv, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Any decent usenet server should be running on more than one port... If they throttle 119, there is at least one more taking its place.
Comcast has CRAPPY newgroups btw. I download at full speed from newsgroups.
Oh, and as of right now, my torrents are still working.- panzergeist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Any security admins worth their salt aren't going to care what port you run your apps on. They'll filter and create quota's based upon the type of traffic identified in each packet. Oh sure, they'll filter based on common ports as well, but don't think for a moment that any competent security admin won't be able to see what that traffic you sent to port 80 is really being used for.
The only exception to this is if you start piping all your traffic through SSL tunnels. But then you really should know what the hell you're doing because you don't want to blindly trust that either. I can think of two OSs in common use right now that have terrible RAND() algorithms that make it relatively trivial to "guess" your encryption key.
- panzergeist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Any security admins worth their salt aren't going to care what port you run your apps on. They'll filter and create quota's based upon the type of traffic identified in each packet. Oh sure, they'll filter based on common ports as well, but don't think for a moment that any competent security admin won't be able to see what that traffic you sent to port 80 is really being used for.
- psykiv, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Any decent usenet server should be running on more than one port... If they throttle 119, there is at least one more taking its place.
- panzergeist, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2O RLY? So they can't filter and throttle the bandwidth based on nntp?
- SiRwhilms, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Comcast limits transfer on those too.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -13/+3They aren't slowing down torrents or stopping them. It's a BS article. I have had torrents going almost 24 hours a day for the past month and half. I'm seeding fine. In fact I expected comcast to complain at all the bandwidth i'm using but they haven't said a word. Hell i'm downloading and seeding torrents right now just fine.
You can test it for yourself.- HouseOfPancakes, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3agreed. Im currently doing the same, running torrents 24/7 with comcast no problems here.
- kjm16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Goddamn trolls!
Why must you lie?
Comcast IS slow as crap when downloading torrents. For everything else for me, they're ok.- TJATL, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4maybe it's your torrents?
- kjm16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Goddamn trolls!
- FoolsRun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I am"testing it for myself" right now, my torrents don't work.
- HouseOfPancakes, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3agreed. Im currently doing the same, running torrents 24/7 with comcast no problems here.
- Shandooga, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Comcast has the worst service. They may not have one more of my dollars at any time, for any reason.
- jayhawk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7"I would not be surprised at all to soon hear that Comcast will allow bittorrent traffic, for an additional fee"
right now, that's the missing link that makes this digg worthy; however, it's not.
but, comcast killed my dog so they deserve the attacks they're getting here.- Kwipper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Okay. I must ask. How did comcast kill your dog?
- inajeep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Their truck of course.
- davidpower, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0thats easy comcast just EDIT: nvm....
- clickmyface, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Agreed!
"All across the internet people are complaining about Comcast not letting them seed anymore–and many of these for completely legal material!"
Really? Many? I'd venture to guess that .5% of seeders and downloaders are providing only 100% legal stuff.- ryan112ryan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1think of people like TWIT or other pod casters, they own what they propagate and they are 100% legal. and regardless of what people are doing, its the principle, if you allow limitation of bit torrent, you then open up things like one ISP favors Microsoft life search over google. That isn't right, that isn't fair, and should be illegal. While there are a large number of bit torrent users that may do illegal things, you need to bring them to court thats the proper way, the legal way, the ethical way, the pro-consumer way
- Kwipper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Okay. I must ask. How did comcast kill your dog?
- d00by, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7i cant wait til wireless routers get some real range on them, then we can create a "real" open internet. Might not span state to state, but city wide would be pretty cool.
- Erunion, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You think the FCC would allow that? They think they own the spectrum.
- hadak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1reading through the comments, i was coming to the exact same conclusion.
- daraman2000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1the 700MHz frequency band is up for auction. some people want to buy this frequency for "open use". that means any device that is configured to use that frequency can use it. see where this conversation is going?
- skyshock1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Content providers like Google and Yahoo! have opposed this plan as they would be ending up paying the additional fees of telecommunication companies, while the potential exists that revenue generating innovations these companies produce would be assimilated into the service offering of ISPs over time and then offered in a way to disadvantage the Internet hosted services.
I don't know about you, but I support Google and Yahoo! in their opposition. Having a tiered Internet is a ***** terrible idea that almost infringes on freedom of speech.- swrlyhrly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2If ISP's start charging google and yahoo and other companies to use the ISP's bandwidth, then where is that money going to come from? Are we going to have even more adds? Maybe companies will start lobbying making ad-blocking illegal to make sure they get their money, that last idea im sure would never work but you see what i mean? We'll probably end up with google frontpage plastered with add's and more of them annoying ass flash popup's that scream at you all the time. It really is a horrible idea. I think we'd see personal site's shutdown because they cant afford it. This site alone will probably have ad's running down both sides all the way to the bottom screaming at you to rub magic cream on your dick and it'll mutate into some super two headed pulsing and vibrating cockmonster or something.
or the short version, I agree with you, horrible ***** idea
- swrlyhrly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2If ISP's start charging google and yahoo and other companies to use the ISP's bandwidth, then where is that money going to come from? Are we going to have even more adds? Maybe companies will start lobbying making ad-blocking illegal to make sure they get their money, that last idea im sure would never work but you see what i mean? We'll probably end up with google frontpage plastered with add's and more of them annoying ass flash popup's that scream at you all the time. It really is a horrible idea. I think we'd see personal site's shutdown because they cant afford it. This site alone will probably have ad's running down both sides all the way to the bottom screaming at you to rub magic cream on your dick and it'll mutate into some super two headed pulsing and vibrating cockmonster or something.
- RedScareX, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Comcast is evil. There's a surprise.
Am I the only one who finds it hard to believe that anyone who uses "pwns" in his write up is sharing and downloading only non-copyrighted material? - archer75, on 10/10/2007, -15/+2My god you people are a bunch of suckers. If it's on the internet is must be true! Seriously, you can test this out for yourself. Download some torrents and you'll see that comcast is not blocking nor throttling the traffic. Geez people, learn to think for yourselves and stop believing everything you read.
- mbthompson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Downloading isn't the issue, uploading is. Every Comcast subscriber should be seeing 300kbps upload on a maxed out torrent. Now, if what you say is true, then the 30KB upload should be happening, otherwise, you are mistaken.
As for me, I can't wait until FIOS gets into my neighborhood. - archer75, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Correct, uploading is not a problem. I've been doing it solid for months now. And my upload speeds are actually higher.
- mbthompson, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1Ok fair enough, thanks for the info. I honestly don't torrent all that often (Ubuntu distros now and then) so I wouldn't know.
- mbthompson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Downloading isn't the issue, uploading is. Every Comcast subscriber should be seeing 300kbps upload on a maxed out torrent. Now, if what you say is true, then the 30KB upload should be happening, otherwise, you are mistaken.
- vwvan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5we unplugged comcast a year ago and never looked back.
they are a greedy and stupid company. no interest in that. - TheBigBentley, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3As soon as I pay off my previous bill with ATT I'm switching back. I'm so ***** sick of these monopoly whores. Thats why I got rid of Time Warner in NY and switched to Verizon. I guess things aren't any different with Comcast either. I hope there evil empire takes a major hit for this. We all need to unite against these imperialistic whores!
- MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0"I'm so ***** sick of these monopoly whores" ... "switched to Verizon"
Small contradiction, there.
- MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0"I'm so ***** sick of these monopoly whores" ... "switched to Verizon"
- beansy, on 10/10/2007, -11/+6Comcast sucks, dont do business with those ass-hats.
that being said, they're offering you service thru their hardware, they can do whatever they want if it's contractually allowed. Suck it up, net neutrality is just begging for government interference with the internet. If you stop using Comcast, you're helping keep the net neutral, free, and open market. Cell phones seem to work great, and they've used variable pricing for years. Nobody complains when calling somebody in "your 5" is free, but long distance during peak hours costs a ***** ton. What does happen is competition makes prices better and service sky rocket.
You don't have a right to the internet, and if you dont like how it's run, you can build your own.
Buried as Lame - TJATL, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25It's amazing that most Diggers who don't trust the government and/or Bush administration, are so hell bent on letting the government regulate {control) the internet. Sure it may be oh so important to fill that new 1TB hard drive up with HD porn asap, but you are setting up a dangerous precedent with congressional control over the internet. Have you never heard of the FCC? Look at our radio and TV programs compared to the rest of the world. Is that how you want our internet to be as well?
But "some regulation is needed".....yeah by the people. Why are you guys still sheep of the liberal thought that government has power and not the individual? If every person that had a problem with this, and had Comcast, canceled ALL of their services and complained, complained, complained up the chain, something might change. What does the sheep do though? Whine and complain on digg and make stupid comments about how the government should have yet more control over a media of the people. That's what Net Neutrality is folks, government control.
*sigh* What is the populace coming to?- mbthompson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5History repeats itself. Not too long ago the American people begged government to regulate the airwaves, hence we have the FCC. Anyone care to wager what the new commission will be called, the ICC perhaps? I'm totally against tiered internet, but I'm not sure government regulation is the answer, that is unless it is to say that a certain company cannot have a monopoly in a particular market, but I would imagine that would be covered by the SEC.
- luther70, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Your analogy is flawed. There is a difference between regulating content and regulating how they broadcast. Do all the TV and Radio stations pump out on what ever channel they want? No there is a system in place and rules they have to follow. I agree the government should regulate the content but neither should Comcast. Also aren't we the government?
- GalacticXenu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3> Also aren't we the government?
There is no such thing as "we". You might as well state that "we" elected Bush, "we" fought for the Iraq war, and so on. It's the very reason why anyone should fear large government; there is no true "we" as one single-acting, single-minded mass.
Tiered internet is bad in general, but network neutrality by the government is not a good answer. - mbthompson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Luther, no offense, but you completely missed the point, so it is your understanding, not my analogy that is flawed. The point is that what was meant to be just a regulation of channels and airwaves grew into much more than that and made some very poor decisions regarding de-regulation of radio stations etc. Now we have Clear Channel running almost every major station in almost every major market. So, I say again, IF HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, follow that to it's conclusion.
- luther70, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I was referring to TJATL analogy but yours also has a problem. So you're afraid that regulating how an ISP provided internet access even in this minor way will lead to a tyrannical FCC like organization that regulates what we access. Thats what comcast is allegedly doing now You then point out that if a corporation got to be like to monopolistic the tyrannical a government regulatory body the SEC can protect us. So regulating is bad expect when its good and deregulating is bad? Following your logic would lead me to believe that the moment you regulate something you should never deregulate it per your clear channel example. Just checking the SEC should never stop regulating corporations..
- mbthompson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ok well first of all, replying to the right thread might help. What I am saying is that IF the government somehow regulates the internet, it should be kept in check to be ONLY the technical aspects that they are allowed to regulate. Phone companies are not responsible for the content that goes over their lines, however, they were regulated/deregulated by the government. What we want is regulated control of the technology, not the content. Hence my FCC analogy holds true and there is no flaw in the logic.
- luther70, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I hit the reply button under TJATL comment you just posted first. Damn work getting in my way. I agree that the government should be regulating the technical aspects of the internet such as not allowing packet shaping on specific protocols or between networks. If you purchase 6 MB of bandwidth is what you should get if you are using bittorent, sending emails or playing WOW. They have no business dictating what the content is. I just realize that I wrote "government should regulate content." is should read "shouldn't regulate content" My bad.
- mbthompson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1And please, explain what "if a corporation got to be like to monopolistic the tyrannical a government regulatory body the SEC can protect us" means? I don't recall saying anything of the sort. What I implied was that regulation is a necessary step at a certain point if corporations begin utilizing unethical means of control. The problem with the Clear Channel example is that now you have one entity running most of the stations in the U.S. If you don't see the problem with that, then I really don't know what else to tell you. Obviously something like the SEC's anti-monoply stance needs to be adopted, however it needs to be limited to that.
- GalacticXenu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3> Also aren't we the government?
- signal15, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Who you YOU trust less? The government, or greedy companies? Part of the reason our govt is so corrupt is because of lobbyists hired by the greedy/evil companies. Unless there are legal restrictions for what the ISP's are trying to do, they are going to do it, no matter how much you cry about it.
- jefferygomer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Government or greedy companies? Hard choice, but I trust the government less (With the current administration, can you blame me?). I can at least avoid greedy companies, go to their competitor, or lobby against them, and I won't get fined and/or arrested.
It also encourages improvement, and new competition.- luther70, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Right like how your able to avoid going to Walmart. Corporations are only answerable to their stockholders and all stockholders care about are profits. At least the government is answerable to all of us. Lobby against them? To what regulate them through the government.
- jefferygomer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Government or greedy companies? Hard choice, but I trust the government less (With the current administration, can you blame me?). I can at least avoid greedy companies, go to their competitor, or lobby against them, and I won't get fined and/or arrested.
- WolfDV, on 10/10/2007, -3/+33Tiered access is EVIL
some people will say . . "I don't use torrents so it doesn't bother me" . . true . . for now.
if they get away with this soon it will spread to other things ..
want youtube access . . 5 bucks extra
want to be able to search using google . . 1buck
want to stream live tv . . 2 bucks
skype access . . 5 bucks
Internet gaming . . 10bucks
get the picture !?!?!
they can't get away with this. . all of our other services are already corrupt (cable tv tiers, cell phones, sat access, etc)
the Internet should not be restricted . . you pay your month fee, you use the Internet . . everything available in all of its entirety . . tiered access is bad for all- CosmicJustice, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Of course they can "get away with this". You have to pay to play.
- ryan112ryan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1google we need you now with your 700 mhz bandwidth
- yingjai, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4"Whether we like it or not" sounds like you have a choice in their business operations. Your only choice is to stay or leave. It's their decision to change how they operate their service.
- xen0blue, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Neither has comcast. The article is BS. You can go grab some torrents and see for yourself. Don't believe everything you read, and in this case you can verify it.
- noblepaladin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It has been verified by hundreds of people on forums. It seems like some regions are affected while others are not. The question is will they start throttling all regions?
- ronaldinho, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The issue is uploading, not downloading, which means if you are simply a leecher, you are fine. Not if you are seeding though, that's where the problem seems to be.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Neither has comcast. The article is BS. You can go grab some torrents and see for yourself. Don't believe everything you read, and in this case you can verify it.
- Mayhew, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Guess we know what tier this site's on.
- RocketGib, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Comcast sucks, and so does the server hosting this article/page.
- ispep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I guess all those BS ubuntu spam stories posted weren't working out, so ubuntu-tutorials came up with a BS comcast story.
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