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DRM, Your Rights, and the Future
bit-tech.net — One of the guys over at Bit-tech.net has written an article to talk about DVD Jon's move to making DRM instead of breaking it. In the article, he takes a trip through some of the history of DRM, the issues it's raised, and what our rights are in the US and EU.
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- quack, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23DRM _is_ killing music.
- mneufeld, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8if DVD Jon doesnt do it, someone else will
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14less so "if you can't beat them, join them." ands more so "if you CAN beat them, take their money."
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2less so "if you can't beat them, join them." and more so "if you CAN beat them, take their money."
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6That ***** traitor.
- monkeywrench, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Agreed. Although the other poster is right, if he didn't do it someone else would be. If you ask me, anyone who does like this should simply be removed from society. The majority of us don't like it, or want it so why do we put up with it?
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Because the majority is ***** stupid. The same why the federal reserve is still in place and why America isn't a sovereign nation. It's why my ati card is a nightmare to deal with and why I can't run Xgl + Beryl right now.
- scrubadub, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2It's not like he's getting paid to not release something, he's charging other companies to fight apple. Not the best way to fight them in my book but he's making money and showing that DRM doesn't work which is always a good thing
- Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Actually what he is doing is challenging Apple's stranglehold on customers. By making identical DRM available to more companies, Apple no longer owns all the iTunes users.
In the long run, it could be the first steps to the end of DRM.
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpv6_6pCpY8- applebyte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3^ now that was comedy.
- defunctlife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3wow that was gold. I will never copy another floppy again.
- carapi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1DRM is not going to go away, no matter how much peope bitch and moan on the internet.
The masses have alreay shown that without it, they are goin to pirate music. And yes, DRM does nt help much in terms of stopping that but the point is, get it through your hea...it will NEVER be like it was in the 90s becuase people in genreal are dishonest, at least in terms of this.- impulsiveboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5So, when I, as a consumer, purchase only DRM-free music from sites like eMusic and allofmp3 ( I know it's not a great example, but it's a popular one ) instead of from iTunes or DRMed CDs, that means I'm just making a decision against the will of a free market? If someone wants to go and help code DRM, that's cool. I've got nothing against that. i don't drive, but I don't stop people from making cars. Just don't tell me that we're not making a call on what we want from our providers every time we buy or don't buy something. The media companies now are in what's called a "cartel". Yes, that evil word. In time, with the will of consumers, those cartels get broken up. The best thing for us, as consumers, to do is to simply buy or not buy what we're ultimately looking for and yes, sometimes voting on it. You want change, fine. I'm all for change. Get educated and start changing.
- RandomEngy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Without DRM, they're going to pirate music? They pirate it with DRM, too. How is this at all relevant to whether we should have DRM or not?
I seriously don't know how a failed attempt to curb piracy that only hurts paying customers can be defended at all. - LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As long as there are source CDs to rip from, there will be piracy, and downloadable-content DRM won't stop that. I refuse to buy DRMed music, not only because of the DRM, but because 9 times out of 10, it's going to be 128kbps bitrate, and why should I pay almost the same price for a DRMed low bitrate album as I will for the entire, lossless and completely transcodable album?
- iAlex, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1DRM = Don't Rip Me.
- AICkieran, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Nope, you wrong
DRM == Don't really matter.
It'll be a matter of time before any form of DRM is cracked just like CSS[Content Scramble System].
Doesn't really matter what they use be it hardware or software to try and stop it, it will still be cracked.
RIAA/MPAA/Anyone else, here's a clue:
Stop pissing off loyal customers, put out some decent movies/music that isn't corporate influenced ***** made by a bunch of queers/sluts just to make money, the passion has gone, especially with music, the price of a CD at the moment where i live is around £15 and has maybe 2 half decent songs on it, and ill start buying online WHEN THERE'S A LEGAL ***** WAY TO GET LOSSLESS MUSIC THAT ISN'T STUPIDLY PRICED AND HAVE THE FREEDOM TO PLAY IT ON WHATEVER DEVICE I WANT WITHOUT IT BEING "ILLEGAL", until then i think ill stick with independent music and my old Cd's/compilation albums, kthx
Artists here's a clue:
Stop treating your fans like criminals, and accept that without them you are nothing, also media is moving in different directions, people aren't going to spend the stupid prices you or your labels ask for without hearing some of your stuff, without ways to download/sample music free/cheap you wouldn't have half as many fans, and lets not forget your roots, handing out free ***** demo tapes in hope someone will buy a tshirt. Oh just one more things... play from your heart not what some corporation tells you to play you soulless bastards, music is about passion not money.
- AICkieran, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Nope, you wrong
- ImTheDarkcyde, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9is it just me or are the majority of people bitching about DRM the same people stealing the stuff
even if it wasn't drm, i bet you still wouldnt buy the stuff- scrubadub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11That's kinda the point, DRM doesn't affect the people that are gonna steal it anyway, but it does crap on the rights of ignorant users
- AICkieran, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Exactly, people that want to will steal it regardless, DRM is bad which ever way you look it at, its a 'guilty until proven innocent' business model.
Why the hell should people pay stupid prices for a piece of plastic that may or may not play on whatever device they choose to use, and the idea that i have to buy something in a different format just to play it on my ipod/mp3 player even if i have the cd is a piss take really, so really I'd say they're exploiting the true customers in hope of a few more quid, its pathetic and should be illegal - ddales, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't think it's necessarily true that they wouldn't buy it even if it wasn't DRM'd. I think the biggest factor is a whole lot of people have become so used to getting stuff for free that they believe any price is unjustified.
They also love to swallow the hype that artists are getting ripped off and the music companies suck up all the money. You know, the whole "business model" arguement. When in fact the real issue is, "if I can get it for free, why pay for it?".
The actual deal is musicians haven't made money on their music contracts forever. They make their money on the road, selling tickets to concerts, t-shirts, and other advertising. - RandomEngy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Darkcyde: Wrong. I buy music if I can get it without DRM or strip the DRM off of it after I get it. If there's no easy way to scrub the file, I don't buy it.
- thefoxtrot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2in russia there is no DRM...
- DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In Russia they don't pay a dime to the artists... (well since you're obviously talking about AOMP3)
- bdbr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DRM isn't necessarily about stopping P2P, its about squashing fair use. You want a CD? Buy a CD. You want a copy on your iPod? Buy another copy for your iPod. You want a copy on your Sansa? Buy another copy for your Sansa.
Sounds like crazy talk? Read the RIAA/MPAA's 2005 comments on the DMCA rulemakers: "The Register was right in 2003 to be “skeptical” of the merits of any fair use analysis that asserts that space-shifting or format-shifting is a noninfringing use. This is particularly the case in today’s market, where inexpensive legitimate digital copies of most types of works are readily available, and increasingly can be obtained through online download services."
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php - DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Tell me guys, what problem did DVD Jon fix by licensing an iPod compatible DRM?
The problem was that other companies couldn't sell music that could play on the iPod?
No that's not it... they COULD sell iPod compatible tunes, as long they were in MP3 or unprotected AAC.
Before this DVD Jon licensing scheme, competitors to the iTunes store were forced NOT to use DRM if they wanted to sell music for the iPod. Was that a bad thing?
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