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Google Blatantly Copies Yahoo!?

jeremy.zawodny.com — Jeremy Zawodny catches Google stealing a page from Yahoo's site.

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  • 4U55l3NlNJ4, on 10/12/2007, -74/+9that's funny, that's definitely yahoo's layout.. how lame.. i guess google can't afford to create their own original html to link to IE7 (which is lame anyway)... good to see you use firefox.... at the end of the day... yahoo and google just have that page up to earn more bucks (which they are definitely short of)...
    • Zinite, on 10/12/2007, -73/+182More likely Microsoft sent both Google and Yahoo! a layout for them to use for their toolbars.
    • PatrickFisher, on 10/12/2007, -19/+140@Zinite
      If you read the article, you'd know that it wasn't a Microsoft template

      As well, look at the picture from the Google site:
      http://www.google.com/toolbar/ie7/getie7.gif

      The red Y! has just been blurred out! You can still see it!
      (just underneath the 'back' button)
    • JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -23/+7They can afford it, they just didn't do it. I for one would like to know how Google is going to respond to this.

      Personally I wouldn't mind if Google copied Yahoo! in other areas. We need an AJAX'd Google already!
    • expiredmeatbag, on 10/12/2007, -31/+171. Steal Yahoo's toolbar
      2. ???
      3. Profit!!!
    • matthwk, on 10/12/2007, -44/+32What I find hilarious is that Yahoo's HTML is much cleaner than Google's. Also, Yahoo uses CSS, while Google is using deprecated tables.
    • brendandonhue, on 10/12/2007, -17/+70@matthwk - tables are not deprecated.
    • t0mmmmmmm, on 10/12/2007, -23/+50who still cares about the use of tables in design besides css fascists? they're handy
    • Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23I can't figure out how this could be untangled legitimately.
    • jtdgrz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+51@matthwk

      Google is known for using 'depricated' HTML for smaller file sizes, hence faster load times.
    • theone3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16http://www.duggmirror.com/tech_news/Google_Blatantly_Copies_Yahoo
    • PunkRampant, on 10/12/2007, -12/+55I showed my dad who works at Yahoo and he says the template was, in fact, Yahoo's and not something Microsoft sent to both companies.
    • sonicspike, on 10/12/2007, -14/+37@ PunkRampant: My dad's more original than your dad!
    • Nanobe, on 10/12/2007, -16/+7jtdgrz: That's more or less a myth. Check this out: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200608/google_valid_and_strict/

      Tables aren't deprecated, but they should only be used for actual tabular information, not just for layout purposes. This isn't some "css fascist" nonsense; there are plenty of real benefits in keeping a clear separation of content and presentation. CSS-based layouts are easier to maintain (in regard to both content changes as well as design changes in the future), they are more accessible, they almost always result in higher bandwidth efficiency (often significantly higher), they allow for better accommodation for different screen and font sizes and different media, and so on.

      Part of my job is to maintain the content and (occasionally) design of a number of sites made by different people, and let me tell you, table-based layouts are consistently much more difficult to work with than CSS-based layouts.

      I have a strange feeling that Google will come out saying that page was never meant to be published...
    • BioCS.Nerd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10t0mmmm is right about tables. That said, they should only be used for layout when CSS would be too much of a headache. Remember: when using tables for what they're meant for (i.e. tabular data), include the summary attribute!
    • bradm81, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17That guy must have like 8gigs of memory to support his tab addiction. I mean, wow.
    • Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I'm willing to bet that this is an intern's fault...
    • Mirag3, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3im not gonna lie, i dont see anything like a red Y in that picture, but that may just be my eyes. I dont know, i could definitely see someone at MS handing out templates, then, when someone calls up, "Templates? What templates? Hey, Bill, is someone here sending IE7 templates?" "Pssh I don't know, call the central office" "Hey yeah, Jermey? Its just about time for lunch, so if we could get back to you on that..."
    • GuyHersh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20I made a little comparison picture between the two "Optimized for" pictures, where it zooms in to where google burred out the yahoo toolbar logo.

      http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9711/comparisonbu7.jpg

      You surprise me google...
    • miguel077, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6This is on Microsoft's design styleguide. The PR depaartment has nothing to do with project management, hence the uninformed answer that this is not from Microsoft. Check your sources. Buried, inaccurate.
    • takeda, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Google don't support IE (in other words they promote FF), I'm sure that layout was sent to them from Microsoft.
  • theintern, on 10/12/2007, -41/+42if you look closely to the upper left of the display browser... you'll see a faded out version of the Yahoo "Y" for their own Yahoo tool bar.... All I can say is that Google has sunk to a new low.
    • Protoss, on 10/12/2007, -25/+52New low? When did they sink to a low already? For me, this is Google just making a bad move.
    • broomett, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21Zodiac...if it was the other way around, you would be screaming and calling for a boycott of all things Yahoo.
    • tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20My thoughts exactly. If yahoo did this, everyone would make a big deal out of it, but since Google did it, it's ok...?

      I still like Google, just a bad move.
    • Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15tsupersonic wrote: "If yahoo did this, everyone would make a big deal out of it. . ."

      I, for one, wouldn't give a ***** either way. Therefore, you are wrong.
    • Fascist, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13Enough discussion; Google > Yahoo.

      /story
    • arglborps, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The only thing I'm terribly disappointed about is Google sinking so low, that they are putting ads on their pages for Internet Explorer. What's next? Linus Torvalds singing the gospel on SCO?
    • Cglass, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Am I the only one that things there's something weird going on, like this is a fake article, did anyone actually see the page hosted on Google before it was 'changed' ? Also, maybe they were hacked or it was some mischevious employee who changed it at the last minute.

      I don't find Google to be to active in blatently stealing things from other companies, sure they buy their ideas, or they copy them and make them better, but this, I don't believe, I think its phony-balogny.
  • daRoach, on 10/12/2007, -42/+20Maybe both are following guidelines set by Microsoft??
    • PatrickFisher, on 10/12/2007, -5/+56From the article:
      "And I've checked with our PR group to make sure that this was just a template that Microsoft gave to all partners. It's not."

      So, I guess reading the article would answer your question...
    • Displace, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Anybody see something wrong with the fact that Yahoo!'s *PR group* is saying that Yahoo!'s page has been copied by Google?
    • xswag, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7@PatrickFisher

      Yes, we read the article and we believe "EVERYTHING" we read on the internet.

      Dear Sir:

      I have been requested by the Nigerian National Petroleum Company to contact you for assistance in resolving a matter. The Nigerian National Petroleum Company has recently concluded a large number of contracts for oil exploration in the sub-Sahara region. The contracts have immediately produced moneys equalling US$40,000,000. The Nigerian National Petroleum Company is desirous of oil exploration in other parts of the world, however, because of certain regulations of the Nigerian Government, it is unable to move these funds to another region...

      SUCKER!

  • gridkid, on 10/12/2007, -16/+11Nope - Yahoo! designed and built that page themselves.
  • canerten, on 10/12/2007, -9/+32it's a shame for google. yahoo should make fun of it...
    • canerten, on 10/12/2007, -7/+37At least Google has changed the order of optimized for.. :)

      # Google Toolbar
      # Google Search as your default

      # Yahoo! Search as your default
      # Yahoo! Toolbar
    • koonkii, on 10/12/2007, -8/+35google fans should really reconsider what theyre saying...
      microsoft copy google, microsoft gets flamed for being uninnovative
      google copies yahoo, yahoo gets put down and google gets praised
      how the hell does that work?

      yahoo got revamped, and its looking pretty nice compared to what it did a few years ago
      google hasnt done very much at all to its looks (although i see nothing wrong with it being simplistic)
    • rusty0101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Ok, MS copies Google, and who flames them? MS fans? Nah, I didn't think so either.
    • takeda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Really, who cares, this is justan an ad.

      What we should really worry about is that Google is advertising IE7...

      I would love to see something like that for Opera...
  • valken, on 10/12/2007, -8/+39busted!
  • ko16736, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44Direct links to syndicated pages.

    http://www.google.com/toolbar/ie7/

    http://downloads.yahoo.com/internetexplorer/index.php

  • cmilki, on 10/12/2007, -43/+3(Disclaimer : I'm a Google and Microsoft fanboy)

    Google wouldn't blatantly copy anyone. This was probably one of Microsoft's conditions or whatever for an optimised version of IE7.

    • JoeDuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+61Zawodny confirmed this was no template, and check out this guy's graphic "proof" of what was done by the Google graphic person who probably had "designers block" and panicked: http://chir.ag/stuff/yahoo-to-google.gif
    • brianez21, on 10/12/2007, -14/+8I really don't understand why they did this, but does it really matter?
      I guess copying is the most sincere form of flattery.
  • RailroadSnake, on 10/12/2007, -21/+5Dup: http://digg.com/tech_news/Google_ripped_off_Yahoo_or_vice_versa
  • RichPowers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+57Bloggers won't let people get away with anything
    • PunkRampant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27Especially when the blogger works at the company being copied
  • Hegemony, on 10/12/2007, -40/+64Ok, fine... lets look at the tallies to see who's had more good ideas.

    Google - 102,395,727
    Yahoo - 12
    • floppyparty, on 10/12/2007, -12/+50Where would Google be if Yahoo! never existed?
    • nvision, on 10/12/2007, -14/+40Yahoo is developing some great ideas with flickr, del.icio.us, and their finance dept. is working on an amazing charting system. Google thrives on its simplicity/arrogance, and of course gmail.
    • jtdgrz, on 10/12/2007, -10/+50@nvision

      You mean buying great ideas.
    • stuartjmoore, on 10/12/2007, -18/+7Where would Yahoo! be if Google never existed?
    • broomett, on 10/12/2007, -16/+11Name more than 5 good ideas Google hasACTUALLY had. As in, name more than TWO product/service that has been profitable for Google.

      (HINT: you won't be able to name more than 2 becuase there hasn't been.)
    • m0laria, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12google search, adwords.

      Do i get a cookie?
    • PKO17, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12No, m0laria, because you just proved broomett's point.
    • takeda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7actually all the things google did was to improve existing ideas. Search engines and ads existed before, google did them better.
      As for improvements there's actually a lot:
      - gmail (c'mon, their e-mail is nothing like we got used to, and they started that whole thing with big storage)
      - maps.google.com (satellite pics, paning through java script - although other started to catching up, mapquest now looks similar)
      - calendar (although yahoo catched on)
      - docs & spreadsheets
      - various mobile services
      - and many more (that I didn't used yet)
    • dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4takeda is right.
      Google take an idea, and make it better, and do it very well.
      Search engines existed, and Yahoo! sucked, Altavista was better, Google blew them both away. (And still does)
      Webmail existed, hotmail was the most common, and was pretty close to one of the best, gmail came along, and is the best webmail I've ever seen.
      Online calendars, and the like existed,
      online mapping services existed,
      it was possible to use spreadsheets and other documents to a small extent.
      Google now has some damn good services there as well.
      They have very few things that are 100% original, but they also have very few things that are not better than every other competing service.

      And while this is certainly negative for google, Google is still MUCH better than Yahoo!.
    • TheTankengine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3My "browser" on my phone is locked down through t-mobile's
      WAP service.
      Google mobile (m.google.com) is pretty much the only thing that allows me to use the internet. It automagically formats HTML pages to be veiwable on the 320*240 screen.

      You can also text GOOGL (46645) with a query (e.g. weather 12345, or movies 54321) and it will text you back very accurate results. And of course, the goog offers this service, as well as many many other services for free.

      And other services include:
      -Google Earth (they started the whole thing! Now MS is trying to get into the game)
      -Blogger (no, they didn't create it, but they added their own touches and its a very stable platform)
      -Google checkout (it may not be the most innovative thing in the world, but anything that gives actual competition to PayPal is good in my book. Also, I've already saved about $60 from buy.com and a couple other places.)
      -google.com/ig is really a great homepage and its incredibly easy to have a ton of feeds on there and still look clean. I use it for a homepage, so I need something that loads immediately, google has got the quick load times down pat.

      If we haven't given you enough reasons, you could just check out http://www.google.com/intl/en/options/ .
  • phoenixp3k, on 10/12/2007, -9/+29What if both companies hired the same guy to do the layout. Perhaps there was no written agreement to prevent that person to use his design elsewere. Bad management...
    • nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I'm pretty sure both Google and Yahoo both have a couple people on their payroll who can whip up a ***** little IE7 web page in no time flat. It just doesn't seem likely they would both happen to hire someone only for this page, and it end up being the same individual.
  • GDunck, on 10/12/2007, -21/+5bitch and moan more whiners?
  • MattyLite, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31Somebody's gonna lose their job :)
    • Jamfan16, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Maybe it was an intern... whose hopes of working at Google upon graduation are fading fast!

      "Give the stupid IE7 page to the intern. He can't screw it up."
      Plagiarism is not the answer, kids.
  • nubnub, on 10/12/2007, -28/+18ie still sucks the end.

    google ftw
    • CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33You forgot to add the fact that you love ipods and hate sony.
    • computerdude33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23@CBTF: Sounds great, where do I sign up?

      Can I also bash the Zune and say "Wii" at least four times in every sentence about anything electronic?

      (BTW, I'm a member now Wii Wii Wii)
    • broomett, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6I notice that the ones who tend to blast Micorosoft and ejaculate over Google are the ones who still act like a 12 year old and think that inane acronyms like FTW are still "cool".

      Sreiosuly, little 12 year old boy...go to MySpace where you belong.
  • 47knight, on 10/12/2007, -37/+28Who cares?

    Google > Yahoo!
    • lokoluis15, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29Wow, way to let the popular kid totally get away with whatever he wants. This was clearly a bad move on Google's part, and it is not legitimized just because you like them more.

      Silly Google fanboys.
    • nkovacs, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1I agree. Who cares? It's not like this is a page that should require innovation. This isn't the sort of thing that is relevant to Yahoo or Google's business.
  • jtdgrz, on 10/12/2007, -24/+7f'd up my post, digg me down
    • Jaq524, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ugh... jeez, alright, but you guys are getting really demanding!

      *sigh, little red thumbs down*
  • dbre2, on 10/12/2007, -22/+16And no one has ever copied google? I remember for a little while I could go to seach.yahoo/microsoft/ask/anything.com and it would look almost exactly like the google search layout.
    • pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17yeah, i wonder why no-one mentioned this before you...

      MS and Yahoo definitely *blatantly* copied googles results pages.
    • neladua, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3@pixelmixer

      Yahoo and MS blatantly copied a design *style*, but they didn't out-and-out copy the page layout and graphics pixel-for-pixel (with logos and colours switched). It's only sensible to adopt an aesthetic if it turns out to be popular, as google's simple design obviously was, but the example in this article is obviously a bit more than that. Like some others here, I also feel it must have been some in-house mock-up work that accidentally got released.
    • rash67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i'm pretty sure yahoo did it's own extensive research after google for both it's search page and sponsored search display. what they found: the same thing google did, the ideal layout and setup was pretty darn similar.
  • tiago, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1the digg effect hit Jeremy's blog... can anyone provide a copy of his post for the time being?
  • ko16736, on 10/12/2007, -19/+3I got a free hat today from the National Guard. I guess that Google is going to copy that too huh?

    wtf...
  • joeTaco, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9http://www.duggmirror.com
  • cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2I hate to be so curt, but who gives a damn? I mean, really now!
  • onemillion, on 10/12/2007, -14/+1its similar, but i dont think its the same. maybe microsoft paid them to do that and just gave them siliar pages? (as in, maybe MS made it)
    • Tiak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2RTFA + okay... they changed colors, and used the same images, had the same things in the same places.... That isn't the same?
  • mark608, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2http://duggmirror.com/tech_news/Google_Blatantly_Copies_Yahoo/
  • fletchowns, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34why is google rocking IE7 when they're in bed with firefox?
    • Protoss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Market share my friend.
    • brianez21, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9You really think Google wants all those IE6 people floating around the net with spyware sucking up all the resources we could otherwise be searching for pr0n with? I didn't think so!
    • avihappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Do you really think google wants those IE6 people getting pr0n effortlessly from their spyware rather than googling "pr0n"
    • h0zae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As long as he was using FIREFOX to capture both sites -- nothing like using FIREFOX to showcase IE7
    • nkovacs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I love that both the blogger's screenshots are from Firefox!
  • iNoles, on 10/12/2007, -16/+1Who Cares, its just IE 7 toolbar? So what, company copied another company. Microsoft is been doing that.
    • Avalontor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10What had this to do about Microsoft? why bring them into it?
  • cmdrNacho, on 10/12/2007, -15/+13Maybe google didn't care enough to put an expensive developers time to promote a crappy implementation of a web browser.
    • broomett, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8There is no way that you could possibly think that your comments makes anyone but yourself look foolish.
    • m0laria, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Actually..it's probably true.
  • mk32066, on 10/12/2007, -25/+1Or maybe Microsoft sent them both the same template. That can't be true because everyone on the internet copies each other.
    • a3r0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Hey, that post is ripping off everyone else who didn't read the article. How dare you?
  • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37I thought Google Cache rips off every page on the Internet already.
  • mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Of course.. this is a Yahoo employee's blog..
  • NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Coincidentally my power supply is also optimized for google, providing me with a google browsing experience that lesser power supplies cannot.
  • knodi, on 10/12/2007, -18/+6Haha who care Google is better then yahoo.
  • cezar, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8Yahoo's error page for the links given uses the google colors if you browse it on linux and ff.
  • Jolls, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2why does this matter in the least? and who cares? Boss 'A' probably said to layworker 'B' "Hey B, I like this yahoo layout, give us one eh?"

    It's not like the layout design was copyright by Yahoo (yes I know it says copyright on the page, but it is referring to Yahoo content as opposed to something like a webpage design).
  • drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I know Google is everyones wetdream but they copied Yahoo whats so hard about facing facts It wasnt a template by M$
  • Miniman, on 10/12/2007, -22/+2Microsoft probly has a template for them to use and both Google and yahoo worked off of it?

    Is that too hard to belive?
    • Underdog83, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Read The Article! God, what is the problem with you guys. You're like the fourth person to say that. The guy covers this in his article. According to him Microsoft did not provide a template.
    • clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Yes and according to him Google copied Yahoo. Where's the proof that Yahoo had it first and MS DIDN'T supply a template?

      oh thats right, it's just some guys blog
  • techlinks, on 10/12/2007, -15/+7Yeah, but Google's looks better.
  • brwood, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Google also blatantly copied Yahoo!'s front page ad for "optimized" browsers - check out the side by side comparison here: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-8Qkt1Z4zabFpOv7R?p=88 the Yahoo! ad started running in mid-October. The Google ad started running in December.
  • matthall28, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Maybe M$ set some sort of guidelines for the both of them so the sites are a like? Just my random thoughts...
  • NiGHTSChao, on 10/12/2007, -14/+10doesnt Google own Yahoo?
    • mikester540, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Well you could say Google 'pwnz' Yahoo... But Google does not own Google as a subsidiary or anything of that sort. They are strictly competitors.
    • cbrian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@mikester540: Do you think you might be missing something?
    • hamoudi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0+5, NiGHTSChao! You were appropriately mega-sardonic, right?
  • Redlobo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Google copied one page from Yahoo, its not a big deal. I mean if they cached it they might be violating copyright law. Oh wait, they did. Your screwed now google.

    http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Jn0l-tpyKgYJ:downloads.yahoo.com/internetexplorer/+http://downloads.yahoo.com/internetexplorer/index.php&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
  • andrewry, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10I just couldn't help myself by laughing at you people who are replying to the people who are saying it is probably a standard set by MS. Yes, the guy said that it's not a _template_ by Microsoft, but they were saying that it was probably a _standard_ set by MS, and that both companies made similar layouts based on that. And honestly, who the hell cares if Google did copy them, I doubt Yahoo! cares as it's not their product, they are just advertising it for market share. I mean, if Google copied something that was actually made and for Yahoo!, then that would be a problem. I don't see what half of you are getting so worked up over Google and Yahoo! having the same layout.

    Get a life, nerds. There is more to life than arguing over if Google copied Yahoo!
    • drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8if you didnt care why post and if Yahoo copied Google people would be all over them
    • GrantTheGr8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@andrewry: What's even better is the people replying to the people replying to the people who are saying it is probably a standard set by MS! And how about the people replying to the people replying to the people replying to the people who are saying it is probably a standard set by MS? Those are my personal favorite.
    • Tiak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The blogger apparently works for yahoo, and HE seems pissed off.
    • mcraigw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes... it is a Microsoft standard to require the use of a Yahoo logo in their graphics, which Google didn't copy, but generated their own graphic with a Yahoo logo in it.

      I don't really think this is a big deal --- although Google obviously did something that is wrong. So much for "do no evil".
  • macewan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3that is too funny -

    That takes balls
  • Rooker156, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6The more stuff google can borrow means the more time they have to think up cool stuff.
  • trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Hmm maybe Google just wanted to see if people even notice (aka give a ***** about IE7).
  • dyzlexiK, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Last I checked, the reason Yahoo results look like Google results was because Yahoo ean a modified and lisenced version of google search.

    And as someone said, if they hired the same guy, it would end up the same. As well, how do we know this guy even talked to MS to see if it was a template?

    Lets say I just say "I checked with MS PR and they said it was a template. Bill Gates also said he is giving me 100 bajillion dollars." and it would have as much credibility as that statement.
  • Willmonwah, on 10/12/2007, -15/+16In case people are still not burying this as inaccurate, it's a Microsoft template:

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/ie/ieak7/default.mspx

    SOURCE: comments via the article itself
    • jtdgrz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Can we get a link to the actual page? IEAK is used to build a "custom" IE7, but not the page itself, is it?
    • Willmonwah, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Sorry, I guess there isn't conclusive proof that it's a template.
    • jackminardi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8lol, thanks for that almost debunk
    • Willmonwah, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I would install it and find out because the page suggests how you can use the kit to create distribution CDs. I'm on a Mac though.

      There also isn't conclusive proof that it's not a template. Jeremy is not the web developer and it's not clear that the PR people he consulted are either.
    • shm0edawg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It's not a template. End of story.
    • drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ok I doubt it's a template because then the Yahoo employee in that blog would look even dumber then the person who ripped off the page from Yahoo. The only thing worse then people who steal are those who make false accusations and frame others as those that stole.
    • CortalUX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've aggregated a number of important points from the article itself, I felt this needed from the fact that this should be considered from both sides of the argument...

      the google debunk response is also here: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/ie7-promo-page/

      How many times has Yahoo! copied Google's HTML?
      If you look closely you will see more than just red pixels in the supposed "Yahoo" logo. That's because it's actually a "Google" logo. Perhaps it's their way of pointing out that the arguments presented why IE7 is "optimized for yahoo", are quite dumb? Like, they work just as well for Google, or any search engine?

      "Pot: You copied that one page of ours! Foul!
      Kettle: What about the search results? What about the sponsored links? What about the inline ads?
      Pot: Uh...
      Kettle: Glass houses, dude."

      # Tony said:

      This whole thing is pathetic. Is Yahoo in such a rut that their best dig on Google is this stupid IE7 page. And please as much as Microsoft likes to control things, I would totally expect guidelines for that kind of thing. But even if they didn't, who cares? Its a stupid Upgrade To IE7 page. Yahoo, you wsnt to impress me, make Yahoo mail more like Gmail - heck copy Gmail I don't care. I can't upgrade to the new Yahoo Mail because I don't use a high enough resolution. Who is Yahoo to tell me what resolution to use, thats poor design. And that is why my Yahoo email is used for garbage rather than email. This is a prime example why Yahoo is behind, an upgrade to IE7 page is this important.

      Google has been using that page layout for a LONG time. For all of their downloads. Customized IE7? You may be right about Yahoo completing their customization first but if you're talking page layout, I'm thinking Yahoo is the rip-off artist here!

      To remove this page: "Michael, it wouldn’t really be balanced. Google would have to remove a single page that was seen maybe a few thousand times since Google put the page up on Friday. But tens of millions of people have seen Yahoo’s search results every day for the last couple years. Imagine if all those billions of page views had to be undone."

      "Even if Google did copy, it's a minor infraction compared to the entire search result layout that Yahoo! copied from Google. Pathetic."

      "What ever happened to imitation being the sincerest form of flattery? Yahoo should feel good about this."

      And best of all...
      "OMG Your people need to get a life... it really doesn't matter..."
    • mcraigw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh yeah, right, it's a Microsoft template, complete with Yahoo logo:
      http://chir.ag/stuff/yahoo-to-google.gif
      http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9711/comparisonbu7.jpg

      Of course if it were Microsoft copying Firefox or Google, they we would be told that they have no originality, are money-grubbing leaches, and should be sued for copyright violations.
  • 0KonTroL0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I was going to say...........MICROSFT

    geez.
  • soudak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Everything you read on the Interweb is true. Silly n00bs.
  • clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2Where does it say Yahoo had it first?

    Maybe Yahoo copied Google.
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