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RIAA gets the best of Creative - Disables FM Recording In Zen

tech2.com — The removal of the FM recording feature is a result of potential violation of copyright. Queries to tech support were replied to by saying that the “FM recording feature is removed due to licensing issues.”

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  • Vasdeference, on 10/12/2007, -2/+144I loathe the RIAA.
    • Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+32 Your sure not alone...
      This is a very bad sign.
    • Spaceboy492, on 10/12/2007, -0/+55***** RIAA.

      Don't take away our line-in video/audio recording capabillities!
    • radu79, on 10/12/2007, -17/+9I think maybe licensing issues is them not paying for a patent that allows them to use this feature. There is no way in hell RIAA would be able to push some well enstablished company from disabling radio recording.
    • NerveBand, on 10/12/2007, -0/+64I am so ***** not upgrading my creative firmware. Hell ***** no.
    • Haroldx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41[insert vulgar flame here]
    • FishyJoe, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25Because people want free low fidelity music with the beginning and end cut off instead of spending 99 cents.
    • AnotherBrian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25Re: radu79
      That actually sounds a bit more plausible. Recording from the radio is CLEARLY protected by law, but I can imagine some company slipping through a patent on recording past the brain dead USPTO. Of course I'm sure the RIAA just got a massive boner from this news anyways.
    • zybch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35Fishyjoe, most people feel that its better than DRM infested crap from the apple store!
    • fnaqzna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30It's been a few years since I bought a CD of any kind.

      I'm betting I live longer than the RIAA.
    • Haroldx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26I don't even own one, but I'm still mad at them for it.
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Sandisk already did something like this for the Sansa.

      Their players were not enforcing the DRM, as a means of compatibility but a firmware upgrade took the compatibility away and enforced the DRM.

      it just goes to show that in the United States money is worth more then anything, even peoples lives. The American dream changed from being fed with a roof over your head to "Get rich or die trying".
    • Samus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hey, i know the version on the sotry is a newer version but if anyone has a Zen Nano Plus (solid mp3 player btw) and wants the latest firmware *with* FM recording, post here, and i'll upload it somewhere. You can find it with Google (IIRC), but if you don't, i'll see what i can do.

      Also this is pretty old news, i'm just surprised it took this long to make Digg.
  • stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -75/+6RIAA pressure got em.
  • stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -73/+2RIAA pressure got em.
  • stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -73/+4RIAA pressure got em.

  • thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32What's next are they going to kill off cassette recorders? (not that anyone still uses them anymore, but still)
    • ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2While your logic is sound... they don't care about cassets because they can only physically be copied. Same reason they didn't kill CD-R's.

      Recording straight to MP3, allows a person to give that song to hundreds/thousands of people without any effort. That's why they are concentrating their efforts on this front.
    • drag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29""Recording straight to MP3, allows a person to give that song to hundreds/thousands of people without any effort. That's why they are concentrating their efforts on this front.""

      That's why they are huge F-ing morons also.

      Screw the RIAA. Originally they were created to create standards and ensure compatibility between different devices. You see originally a recording studio would produce albums that had different sized holes and speeds and similar things so that you had to buy a record player approved by them in order to play back your albums. The RIAA got together and created standards so that you can sell a album that will work on any record player.

      Now, I guess, their goal is to ensure that devices remain incompatable.

      BTW they better make it illegal to make infrared transmitters for computers and sound inputs for sound cards because I can hook up my radio to my computer to record scedualed shows and such. Oh and what about those FM/AM USB devices.. Better make those illegal.

      Because apparently their goal is to piss everybody off.

      Remember your not a 'customer', your a 'consumer' and therefore dependant on their entertainment godliness.

      Just don't show them 'Songbird' or 'Democracy Player' becuase then they'll definately blow a fuse over those guys.

      I think the best bet nowadays is to start a petition to perminately revoke the copyrights owned by any and all members of the RIAA and return them directly back to the original artists. Then that will probably get them to STFU.
    • Madh2orat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The US Government found that recording onto vhs is not illegal, same with analog recordings onto cassettes. So legally, if it still applies, it should be fine to do it. After all, it is an analog source, and why would anyone want to put radio online when it already is available in most cases, (it is for the 3 main radio stations i listen to in SoCal anyway).
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The US Government found that recording onto vhs is not illegal, same with analog recordings onto cassettes. So legally, if it still applies, it should be fine to do it. After all, it is an analog source, and why would anyone want to put radio online when it already is available in most cases, (it is for the 3 main radio stations i listen to in SoCal anyway)."

      I'm not an American, but the flaw in your argument is that TV > VHS is Analog-to-Analog, Radio > Cassette is Analog-to-Analog and Radio > MP3 is Analog-to-Digital.

      Now they call the fair use "Analog loophole" the analog loophole for a reason. You are allowed to make an ANALOG recording.

      Yes MP3 recording will degrade the quality, but only once, as it's DIGITAL.
    • Madh2orat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I understand that, however, why would you put radio online when it typically is already available streaming from the station's website? It's already digital, and its probably better quality from the site than what you record on your zen m. If I REALLY wanted to share it online, i'd just save it, and upload it straight from my computer, i wouldnt have to worry about static at all.
  • Sanchez, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30Home taping is killing music.
  • friend18, on 10/12/2007, -66/+4Ipod is better anyway. :)
    • CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Thanks, Mr.Jobs.
    • SineNomen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40Yeah, It never had FM radio or recording features to begin with.

      fanboys.
    • goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -17/+9You really are a ***** moron. First of all like the other person said it never had FM recording. Second of all, Creative made the ***** IPOD. You ***** stupid fanboy. Only thing apple did was create the software, and theme. And don't diss a company that has made high quality soundcards for years. I dont know of any other company that competes with them like Intel vs AMD.
    • fnaqzna, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Well... my kids have iPods and I am quite familiar with them and iTunes. Enough that I just bought a Creative Zen Nano.

      Quite obviously opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. Some of them stink.
    • RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2stupid creative fanboy if your a audiophile as I consider myself to be you would know that their ARE better soundcards than creative. Creative is just a gateway drug to your audio blissfullness I personaly own an auzentech x-plode card which took over my xifi x2 or what ever the hell its called.

      Now im too lazy and drunk to give you the facts but google should sort things out.
    • teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Creatives soundcards are for gaming, and when it comes to gaming nothing beats the xfi. they help reduce cpu load and improve before so stfu about being an audiophile and do some research into what market creative goes after.
    • DarkSkillz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0@RadiatedAnt
      those card are great for windows and everyday work
      But run like s**t in games and linux due to the lack of OpenAL

      and yes the X-FI cards are the BEST soundcards out there
    • RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@teamparadox

      last time I checked this article is about the quality of recording music. Not playing games so grow up. On a side not creative does not let you replace your op-amps. Auzentech does vastly improving your audio sources playback I could care less about frames per second since last I checked mp3's rely on bits per second.
  • dragonmantank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Why isn't the FM recording the same as recording via a tapdeck like people used to do? If they are saying it's because people are getting perfect digital copies of the radio signal...so? Standard FM (at least around here) is no where near as good as a CD, and depending on the song you're either not getting the same song as it is on the CD or you're getting an edited (and sometimes partial if the radio person interrupts it) copy of the song.
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Because a tape deck is ANALOG, and MP3 is DIGITAL.
  • slider121, on 10/12/2007, -0/+45This just in, All computer soundcards with line in are now illegal!
    As are Cassette Decks, CD Recorders, and ALL RECORDING DEVICES.

    The RIAA, making criminals out of people since 1999!
  • Zer01, on 10/12/2007, -23/+2Radio? Haha! Whoopie doo! The whole point of an mp3 player is so that you don't HAVE to listen to crappy radio anymore.

    Rrrokay RIAA, you win haha
    • skywake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Thats not the point....

      The point is that this licencing thing has gone too far. I still listen to JJJ despite having a decent collection of CD's ripped to my computer. Seriously... what percentage of people sharing music 'illegally' got it off the radio? and what percentage of them were using a portable music player?

      I can tell you now, this is a VERY low shot. Next thing you know PVRs, DVD-Recorders, Audio cables, Cassette/CD players, DVD recorder/VCR combos and line-in recording will all be banned. As a casual musician That would certantly be a cold day in hell... I think the focus needs to be on making the Music industry more versatile and interesting. We dont need more restriction because that will just make people want to download music even more.
  • Fracture98, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't tell me that RIAA is going to start creating patents for things it has no intention of implementing only to prevent others from doing so....
  • matherg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3does the RIAA think they own the world o wait they got the us gov in there pocket how can people do that when 99 % of the people in the us hate them and think they are wrong
    • sulaco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Despite what you may think, 99% of the U.S. population has no idea what the RIAA is, nor do they care. I have no love for them, but they are an invisible enemy.
  • nzjrs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Why the hell should the RIAA in America be able to disable my FM recording in New Zealand, a country with different IP laws.

    Words cannot describe the distain I have for the RIAA right now.
  • lormahoykyd2007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This sucks. Someone need to get the balls to sue them under the same precedent as the one the Supreme Court ruled on with Tivo which allows Time Shift. Recording to used at a later date. Personally if my doctor tells me I have liver failure as I expect next week. I have a list of people to go buck wild on.
    • secretivecoward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The RIAA will condemn your soul to hell for illegal downloading.
  • pauljaroszewski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1big media owners should be pissed about this right? given the growing popularity of podcasting, you would think that this puts limits on fm radios ability to compete with podcasting. oh wait, the RIAA IS big media...haha, thats awesome! keep up the good work!
  • Caislean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6That is stupid. Then again, the RIAA also wants to close the open analog hole (ie they want to protect all line in / line out stuff. and then things such as your normal speakers would technically be illegal).

    I bet this hits the Walkman industry hard.

    A lot of times the debate here stems around the fact that the copy is a digital copy (even though from an analog source in this case) because digital copies can be perfectly replicated for distritbution, where as an analog copy of anything is degraded in quality (though i'm sure someone will point out some rare exception).
  • karebu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2RIAA is damn irritating. argh.!
  • nogoodreason, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I don't think the RIAA will be happy until they outlaw the usage of ears.

    "And in other news, the National Arts Foundation has banned the looking at, or describing of, all works of art in the interests of copyright. Mass profits are expected."
    • odaen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Regarding their bastardisation of music I'm suprised the RIAA CEOS even have ears.
    • RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4just for ironies sake, when the internets first started some painters where appauled at the fact that their paintings had been digitally scanned onto the internet for anyone to see.
  • carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5MS design crew: we have the ability to include FM recording, it would be a feature apple doesn't have without extra hardware, it's trivial to implement, and would give us a serious "cool" factor with the geek crowd, who are usually the first to take up and support new tech.

    MS exec: hey! that sounds great! we already have the FM tuner, why not let the owner record it, they hear it anyway right?

    *phone rings and exec answers*

    MS exec: uhuh, yeah, uhuh, i understand.

    *hangs up*

    MS exec: well guys, turns out that's a terrible idea, i want it mothballed, and i want you to remove any and all code that allows FM recording, asap.
    • carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5aww crap, i thought this was for zune, not zen, even still, substitute "Creative" for "MS" and you get the idea
    • neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It'll happen.
      1. Release player, show everyone how cool it is because you can record from FM, share songs wirelessly, use it as standard USB mass storage etc
      2. Once enough people have bought into your platform, remove said cool features, because they might allow the consumer to listen to music.
    • cartwheels, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33. ?????
      4. Profit.
  • ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So I take it no one read the article. It does not in any way, shape, or form mention the RIAA.

    Creative made a business decision (apt a bad one), and yet somehow everyone is blaming the RIAA.


    • lyamkaskade, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Ah, but if you look closely, there's a tag at the bottom that says "RIAA".
      Therefore, the RIAA MUST be responsible
  • RatTrap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Down with the RIAA!!
  • unhappy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I had Zen and it requires win xp + is a bitch to set up properly

    now i have cowon ... try to f w/ them riaa
    • coldphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Really...b/c i have a Zen Micro and it works flawlessly with my Ubuntu/Linux setup.
    • Tritis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You need to install the 1.XX series of firmware. not the 2.XX series. The 2 series uses playforsure software by microsoft which really sucks.
  • Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I don't know what the RIAA is worried about. FM quality is no where near as good as an mp3 even at 96kbps. The way I see it, they are shooting themselves in the foot with this. Think about it, radio is still the likely way you'll discover any new music. You may potentially record a song you had not heard before. Now lets just say your interested in buying a much better quality version of that song.. But wait.. Now you can't record it. Nor can you remember what the lyrics were.. What was the name of that song again? Oh well, maybe if your lucky you'll hear it again some day. Hope it's a hit, because if you listen to your mp3 player more than the radio, you may never ever hear or possibly buy that song. You may think 1 song big deal.. However multiply that one song buy an infinite amount of song you may possibly hear and buy and that adds up a lot. Good going RIAA, you just found another way to make less money.
    • RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@ Phoenixfury

      Reality Translator: Whats that song again? Oh right let me here the recording...*plays tape*... right let me download that song/album via TORRENT!

      check and mate ;)
    • Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4RadiatedAnt, you assume everyone that records/and or listens to the radio would just turn around and download bit torrent their music. To me this comment sounds about as knuckle headed as Steve Ballmer's comment about how iPod owners are "thieves". So are you saying people that record music on their Zen's are just going to listen to their recordings then hit up bit torrent instead of actually buying them? You may just as well say that FM recording Zen owners are thieves. To me that sounds like a crazy echo of what Steve Ballmer said about iPod owners. Your not Mr. Ballmer are you?

      What do you mean check mate? Don't bring your damn chess pieces to hockey game. :)
  • fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1(Standing about 10 inches tall)

    I think this is a good thing.
  • AlaJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I can remember as a ten year old and I am now 40 recording off the radio to an 8 track tape. In high school 80-84 Cassettes became the thing but I always bought Albums and recorded them to cassettes because I had a very good record player and my copies sounded as good as a bought cassette and I had a backup if the cassette got messed up. The record industry lost no money because the music was good and people were willing to buy it. The problem now is not making copies but crap music.
    • fnaqzna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I'm a little older, but close enough to remember when radio stations used to play entire albums uninterrupted and they used to remind you to make sure you're tape recorders were ready.
    • drag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14The problem with the RIAA stems from back when we went from tapes and vinyl to music cds.

      All these recording studios had huge hits from the 50's, 60's, 70's and etc etc that most people liked. Well those people bought those albums and kept them, made copies on tapes and listenned to those. etc etc.

      Well when the music cds all of a sudden people had a convient media format that had superior sound quality and durability to existing media. (if your a audiophile and you want to BS about vinyl.. F-off right now. I am talking about normal people and what they owned)

      So when they realised that there was a big demand for this.. They flooded the market with 'oldies'. They made money hand over fist. They paid royalties of penies per 20-30 dollar album. No production costs. No recording delays. They were all proven hits, they knew what would sell and what wouldn't for the most part.

      But they were to greedy and to stupid to realise that this was a one time deal. Once you go to digital thats it. It worked fine back then because nobody had a cd burner; It cost to much.

      So all these asshats figure that their 'IP' is like this buried treasure. That all these copyrights that all these things.. They'll just do a big release every 10 years or so when a new format comes out and make everybody rich again. big bucks.
      But in order to do that they need to ensure that very few people have harddrives full of this stuff. No point in buying new albums of old music when you have it all already on your computer.

      It's not about the Artists (most these places just sit on copyrights. They'll only ever release around the 5% of what they own and so 95% of the artists get completely screwed over because now they can't release their own stuff).
      It's not about right or about what is wrong. It's just about them being greedy and wanting to retire with big fat bonuses.

      Instead of working and building up artists they are spending more time and effort trying to screw over those artist's fans.
    • Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2 Didn't the record companies get a cut from the sale of each blank tape?
      And do they now get a cut from each blank CDR DVD?
      Can anyone clarify this for me?
  • CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why not disable caset tape while their at it.
  • yakky, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5whyIdontBuyMoreMusicCount++;
  • cterryr2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8RIAA, your killing your industry! Wake up! Da! Who pays $15.00 for a single CD anymore?
    Modern music sucks anyway. I'll continue to steal old tunes which I have on album, tape and CD anyway because it's convenient. The hell with paying AGAIN for the same stuff!
  • postaldave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4the really stupid thing is that FM is NOT a perfect copy. almost all station use compression so you don't have to turn your volume up and down.

    this is just plain stupid. who the hell bootlegs FM copies?

    torrents duh?
  • GSocling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Ohs nos, my tape player/recorder = piracy! I am a terrible, terrible person because I've illegally taped FM recordings without first paying the proper protection money to the RIAA.

    ***** the RIAA. Can I say ***** here? There, I said it. ***** the RIAA.
    • postaldave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6the digg auto censor is turned off for all comments towards the RIAA and the MPAA
  • osc1882, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5God damn mother ***** whores from hell! Those piece of ***** ***** heads. Those Greedy son of a bitch bastards.

    I want everyone to know that I, normally don't cuss at all. But they are worth it.
  • lyamkaskade, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Before anyone continues to swear, it should be pointed out (again) that the RIAA isn't mentioned anywhere in this article.
  • windwaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+715 years ago: "CASSETTE TAPING IS KILLING THE MUSIC INDUSTRY"

    hahah
  • silvaran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Class action lawsuit. As far as I can tell, this is ILLEGAL. You CANNOT advertise a product, sell it, and then later disable features without reasonably informing the consumer. Even then, the legality of such an action is dubious.
  • yeahbuddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Thankfully, I sold my Zen and bought a Sirius Stiletto. 100 hrs of recording pleasure.

    ...untill the RIAA decides to neuter the Stiletto even more.

    That organization is so out of touch. They will be sued over this, and someone will win.
  • Safe97, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1old news, aired almost a week ago on dl.tv podcast.
    • yeahbuddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21 week = old? Gotta love the intarwheb.
    • coldphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Just because YOU heard this news already, does not mean EVERYONE heard it...The amount of comments alone should tell you that this is newsworthy to people, including myself. And certainly not everyone, in fact the good majority of people DON'T listen to podcasts, especially a specific one.
    • tagawa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The age is irrelevant. Digg is for sharing stories and informing others.
      Users are criticised (rightly) for submitting dupes but as this story doesn't seem to be a dupe, what's the problem?
      As a place for discovering content, Digg is difficult to beat. It doesn't need people being scared off from submitting links because they might be flamed for no reason.
      If an interesting story has not been submitted before then we should welcome it, regardless of age. 580 diggs and over 100 comments (so far) seems to suggest this story is sufficiently interesting but if you think otherwise, there is a convenient 'bury' button at the top of the page.
    • amoirae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The news that your mother is a whore is new to no one but you.

      See how that works?

      The fact that she's serviced half the geeks on the Internet is news to you!
  • kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3All the RIAA is doing is making it more difficult, not impossible. For example, I still have a little Aiwa boombox that records FM to tape. I also have a nice little double ended 1/8" cable that I then wire up to my PC and use Audacity to rip the music to mp3's.

    Yes it is a pain in the ass, but anything I can do in order to stick it to the RIAA, I'm all for it.
  • mianos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What about just taking it back? When you buy something that has an adertised and documented feature they are contracted to provide it. If the recording of FM stops working simply present it to the service desk/organisation and ask for your money back or get it fixed.
  • aepex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well, I'm not going to be upgrading the firmware on my Zen any more. This "feature update" would be blatantly erasing some of the functionality I originally paid for.
  • prophet6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't understand this decision. It wouldn't make sense for Creative to remove a popular feature for usability reasons...so there was clearly some kind of industry pressure. But is there any industry group (RIAA or otherwise) who honestly thinks that FM recording is affecting music sales?

    I simply cannot explain this....
    • gfnw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The RIAA thinks everything is affecting music sales. They'd sue nature for bad weather stopping people going to the store if they could, and they'd probably win too.
  • SystmBetatester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i would never use the feature, mainly because it seems like a pain in the ass to time the recording right! but hey riaa! once again great job for being assholes! why not sue every mp3 player since hey i can listen to my high quality cd ripped downloaded mp3! suck it riaa and rot in hell.
  • Culero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well. There IS HD radio now....which boasts "CD Quality" radio...but you'd need a receiver for that (either car, or in home) and just rip that onto computer...and await the RIAA
    • JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You just gave me an idea. MAHDRPR. Mobile autonomous HD radio pirating rig.

      laptops in large cities that are carried around by commuters. these laptops with HD Radio receivers in them record every song they can, in it's entirety and use the publicly-broadcast meta information to make ID3 tags. When the laptop passes by an unsecured WiFi hotspot, it connects and uploads the compressed music files to an off-shore server. This server then seeds torrents of said music files and then securely erases all traces of said files.
  • JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8*blink blink* *crickets*

    what happened to fair use?
    • perral1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What, do you not read the obituaries??
  • Cygnus666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I feel so violated. I own a creative zen: M and this pisses me off !! that was one of the features that i purchase it for...i record a talk radio show in the morining with my zen, and then come home for lunch, turn it off and listen to it later. I have no words to express how violated this makes me feel!!!!!!!!! ***** THE RIAA!!!
  • LividBlivet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Can it be reflashed back to the original?

    Don't have one and never will because of this.

    BoycottRIAA.com
  • wafflesomd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My h10 has fm recording, I'd like to see them take it away from me.
    • tdkyo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As well as my iAudio-U3. I'd like to see them take away that feature from hundreds of mp3 models.
  • oMeSSiaHo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4But I use my Zen to record PUBLIC RADIO! The same shows NPR plays you can also download from their website. So since the RIAA is paranoid I cant record legal music. Nice...
  • Yashu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1One could say that I download music, movies, and anything else that I want. One could say I am living the digital revolution.

    One could say that these actions are illegal.

    One could try to hold back the hands of time. There is a good chance that one would fail.

    The door has been opened. Everyone has tasted digital freedom now. Anyone trying to hold it back will eventually fail. One could say that this is what I beleive.

    Just sayin'... one could say these things.
  • ebola, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I wish they would fly a couple of planes in to the RIAA building(s). Planes loaded with pig and dog *****.
    • amoirae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, I think the music of Tiffany and the Backstrreet Boys works well too.
  • gfnw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So.....

    How long until someone hacks the latest firmware updates to allow FM recording again, assuming it hasn't already been done?

    :D
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