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Swedes To Be Wiretapped, Despite Protests

torrentfreak.com — Despite public protests both online and on the streets of Stockholm, the Swedish parliament has voted in favor of a new “wiretapping” law which invades the privacy of its citizens by allowing the government to monitor web traffic and phone calls, without the need for court orders or similar authorization.

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  • Kasot, on 06/19/2008, -1/+75:'(
  • ampm2, on 06/19/2008, -25/+4ORIGINAL POST http://digg.com/tech_news/Swedes_To_Be_Wiretapped_ ...
  • Bornhuetter, on 06/19/2008, -0/+151Because Sweden is such a big terrorist target...
    • dinostabOMG, on 06/20/2008, -0/+40Aye. Didn't even Osama bin Laden single out Sweden as a Western country that wasn't under threat from al Qaeda?
      • nakani, on 06/20/2008, -0/+20Here's the link : http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/bin.lade ...
        an interesting quote: "Your security is not in the hands of [Democratic presidential nominee John] Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked."
      • masterm1nd, on 06/20/2008, -6/+6Osama Bin Laden, sounds like an honest enough guy. That's all I need to hear for my family's safety.
        • bjornski, on 06/20/2008, -4/+9His motives may be *****, but I don't think his honesty has been called into question.

          Would I agree with him? No.

          Would I trust him? Yes, before I'd trust this administration.
        • masterm1nd, on 06/20/2008, -6/+1It doesn't even matter how honest he is. If he were honest as you so absurdly believe, that only means Osama and those under him won't attack Sweden. I'm fairly vertain I could find a country thats had a terrorist attack who hasn't attacked Osama. Plus, even the wiretapping thing could be viewed as an attack on Osama, thus he could attack Sweden without contradicting what he said. Bottom line, you simply shouldn't put your trust in anyone but yourself, especially not your enemy, regarding your own safety and well being.
        • normalkid0615, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4we used to be on the same bowling team, he is very good actually.
      • warsongs7, on 06/20/2008, -3/+0Hear Hear [to bronjski]
      • brkhobowriter, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Dugg for Aye.
    • Skooma714, on 06/20/2008, -2/+9The Swedish are just as lazy and unwilling to do anything about anything as Americans are.

      Politicians want power, they get it.
      • Radan, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7To be honest, we Swedes are one of the laziest people when it comes to things like this. Or maybe not "lazy" is the correct word, but we simply accept it. We hate changes of any kind, no matter what it is; changes = bad. Though, when it actually has changed we instantly goes along with it; "aright, it's not that bad, who cares?".

        If this had happened in for example France, we would now probably be seeing a mass revolution of a gigantic scale, where at least a couple of noblemen would get decapitated.

        Now, one thing I'd like to point out, is that if I have understood this correctly, this doesn't technically simply mean that it will now be legal to wiretap anyone at anytime.

        This only means that it will regulated. Many other countries already wiretaps their citizens, but off the chart simply because if you ask for permission you may get a "no" as an answer.

        While I'm completely against this, I couldn't really care that much about it, since we Swedes have nowhere near enough money and resources to go around and wiretap every Sven Svensson and John Doe.
    • gobbleplex, on 06/20/2008, -3/+7Hey, when other countries see the US do things 'in the name of freedom' it says to them it's perfectly okay to do it too. After all, we're the ones who set that bar, right? :/
      • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -6/+3So if it's something good, they created it on their own. If it's bad, it came from America. Amazing logic.
        • gobbleplex, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3That leap of logic was well over 50 feet.
        • dinostabOMG, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1When did he say the latter?
      • bjornski, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3Exactly. They're not the only country justifying things "because America does it".
        • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -3/+2So which is it huh? Is America this disgraceful country that the world despises as we're regularly told or a country so highly regarded that our policies, even our bad ones, are directly copied? If we are so hated why would ANY country imitate anything we did? Make up your mind, because we can't be both.
        • bjornski, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1If we were to start gassing an entire race of people, and another country followed suit "because American did it", would you STILL consider that "so highly regarded"?

          Just because someone emulates you doesn't mean they do it because they admire you.

          They just saw you get away with it first.
      • erikbra81, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2perceptive there
    • ColinZeal, on 06/20/2008, -5/+4Terrorist target or not, it´s not a question of that. Sweden has a LOT of Iraqis and other refugees (because of the US) and the US wants to control those people.

      The US?

      Sweden is a bunch of pussies. Everything is bland, everything is middle of the road, nothing gets to stick out. That said, if something terroristique would be discovered, then the government would be too ***** pussied out to DO anything about it. Call in the US federal agents just like they did few years back with two suspected Egypt terrorists. A US government plane landed in Sweden, the agents arrested these Egyptians on Swedish soil and took them off to where ever.
      (http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articl ...

      Swedes are pussies.

      Great, now i´m on a list because of this post.
      • ColinZeal, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1And btw, i´m a swede myself
      • erikbra81, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4speak for yourself. swedes like me will fight to the last drop if we have to. i don't fear terrorists nearly as much as i fear a totalitary US, though. but whatever it is, i will never be subdued or enslaved.
  • spydon, on 06/19/2008, -0/+77This is so sick :'(
    • Stormwern, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3We used to be 24'th in the world on protecting civil liberties, not a great score that, and probably more like 50'th now I'm guessing..
    • paradexes, on 07/20/2008, -0/+1NWO is here :(
      • paradexes, on 07/20/2008, -0/+1To clarify, NWO is here because censorship, wiretapping, and all this stuff is starting to happen everywhere. Corporate rule (aka global economy) is what is happening here. This is not strictly a USA thing.
  • sega01, on 06/19/2008, -0/+78:'('''''''''''''''''' This is horrible. Google even said that they would not build any datacenters in Sweden if the bill passed. Hopefully something can be done about it.
    • trenchcoat, on 06/20/2008, -0/+31But they're still censoring in China right?
      • subterfuge, on 06/20/2008, -0/+21yeah, but censorship is different from wiretapping. i'm not saying censorship is ok, just that it doesn't invade privacy
      • hmunkey, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7For Google it's censorship or nothing, and they are a company above all. That means they have to look out for their stockholders and go for max profit, so they wouldn't pass up a billion person market.
  • Joinsimon, on 06/19/2008, -0/+105Despite the fact that there were many so called "libertarians" in the parliament, none of them stood up and voted against this law. Really, really sad...
    • metric7, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Get a rope, it's time.
    • falafelkiosken, on 06/20/2008, -0/+13that's why I'll give the Pirate Party my vote in the next election
    • Joinsimon, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0The worst of it all is that everything you now see with the Patriot Act in U.S. are implementet in EU and different countries in Europe. This FRA-law is just one law, more of this will come in Europe, be so sure.
  • vfreak2, on 06/19/2008, -1/+137Definitely a step backwards to 1984.
    • skazhy, on 06/20/2008, -0/+11Big brother is watching you, swedes.
    • George0rwell, on 06/20/2008, -6/+6Shuddup!
      You know nothing of my work.
  • SyntraFTW, on 06/20/2008, -29/+1Damn. TPB ***** up Sweden. Along with ignorance, of course.
  • Croecop, on 06/20/2008, -24/+3I'll wiretap dat ass
  • GoKings, on 06/20/2008, -0/+127It isn't just America. It's sweeping worldwide, and it's getting pretty damn scary.
    • doktorrocket, on 06/20/2008, -0/+42I can't recall who said it, but..."The dark night of fascism is always descending on America, but it always seems to land in Europe."

      • Lythia, on 06/20/2008, -2/+12My god! That is the best quote ever! Too funny! And so very true. :)
      • megarobotguy, on 06/20/2008, -0/+9Tom Wolfe.
      • falafelkiosken, on 06/20/2008, -0/+10pretty true, we Europeans are always quick to criticizes US, but we're not any better (many of us are actually as stupid and ignorant as our own image of the common American)
    • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -13/+1Please tell me how it effects your life in ANY way. How it changes ANYTHING about what you do everyday. I understand the foot-in-the-door argument but that kind of reminds me of the Marijuana is a gateway drug theory. Yeah it could happen that way, but it doesn't.
      • corvairkid, on 06/20/2008, -2/+9Instead of explaining, I'll give you a "homework project."

        Spray a slide at your local playground with something greasy (and environmentally friendly). Now try to walk down it. Hurts right? If you're not paralyzed by the fall, try to walk back up without grabbing onto anything.

        This is what we call a slippery slope.
        • mrBitch, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5well said, and a good analogy.
        • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -5/+1I don't think you're any less intelligent because of it, they do have a VERY compelling case, but you've fallen pray to the next sensationalist fad. The world is NOT ending, and we're not getting on any slide; in fact the whole playground doesn't exist. The people FAR outweigh the power of ANY government, and at the end of the day CHOOSE to live the way they do. It's like you forget that people ARE the government. In Brittan they take advantage of a very comprehensive video monitoring system and last time I checked Brittan wasn't a horrible place. The citizens haven't turned into drones, and the leaders aren't eating their cereal from the skulls of us measly commoners. In fact the last thing I read about it, an article submitted to Digg if you want to look it up, that said the very target of the system, crime, hasn't been affected at all and the system's value is in question. Stop fear mongoring. I know life can seem pretty dull and boring if you look at the reality of it all but you shouldn't just make up or go along with whatever retarted theory is getting all the attention now.
    • pigfister, on 06/20/2008, -2/+3does the new world order mean anything to you, or the bilderbergs?

      http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefo ...

  • Realnemesis, on 06/20/2008, -4/+59Damnit BUSH.. look what you did now.....

    damn Trendsetter...
    • Crisender111, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6******* Trendsetter...
    • pagno, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7"It doesnt affect me none. I dont do anything wrong." Seriously, if you believe we should shred the Constitution(which is what this boils down to), please, get the ***** out of my country.
    • DanMcGuinness, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I hate Bush as much as the next person, but blaming this on him as if he's the first person to break civil liberties of people is pretty damn r-tarded.
  • JakeDeathless, on 06/20/2008, -2/+71New World Order, here we come...I knew I wasn't crazy!
    • masterm1nd, on 06/20/2008, -1/+11I've got some good news and some bad news...
  • sultanica, on 06/20/2008, -2/+63NWO
  • tidu, on 06/20/2008, -3/+44ONLINE protests? Wow, who can resist that?
    • boobyman, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1There were protests outside of the swedish parlament. I think over 200.000 people protested.
      The politicians that voted Pro-FRA law are now "regretting". They felt "pressure".

      It feels like the government is putting a 20" dick in your ass and you have to enjoy it.

      Hey, they're also going to spend $100m/year on cryptologist to decrypt various encryptions. Hello 1024bit
      • RonBurgundy76, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Then encrypt the hell out of everything and force them to spend as much money and time decrypting your stuff as possible.

        Bonus points for wasting their time with useless stuff :)
  • Revolutionista, on 06/20/2008, -0/+76Say hello to Big Brother for us.

    Nevermind... I just did.
    • RonBurgundy76, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I'll say '***** you' to him instead, ok?
  • ammundsen, on 06/20/2008, -0/+16A bunch of damn Quislings. Time to go berserker.
    • bjornski, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4My love for you is like a truck, Berserker
      Would you like some making *****, Berserker
      My love for you is like a rock, Berserker

      The Berserker is just so obscene
      Likes evil people you know what I mean
      He takes your soul and then just rips you apart
      He'll steal your heart

      Would you like to smoke some pot, Berserker
      My love for you is ticking clock, Berserker
      Would you like to suck my *****, Berserker
      Would you like some making *****, Berserker
  • HamNCheese, on 06/20/2008, -14/+7So... What the ***** does an e-mail in Sweden have to do with troops in Afghanistan????
    • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -0/+5Because sending an email from Sweden to Mexico takes just as long as sending one to Afghanistan? Do I seriously need to explain what this interweb thing you're using is?
    • Stormwern, on 06/20/2008, -0/+5You see, the internet is a series of tubes. and if sand gets into it in afghanistan it will spread all over the internet and the government needs to inspect the traffic to get rid of the sand.
  • smashingmonkey, on 06/20/2008, -3/+36We have it so good... someday (soon) people will long for the types of freedoms which we take for granted now.
    • krnldmp, on 06/20/2008, -3/+15That's kooky failure talk, son.
      • smashingmonkey, on 06/20/2008, -2/+10Thanks, dad?
        • krnldmp, on 06/20/2008, -2/+9You're welcome. Assuming you're American, your country was created and given to you by men much stronger willed and with far higher ideals than those which you imagine your current and future compatriots capable. They even left you with the tools to prevent the eventuality of a giant prideless and possessionless national worm farm that you predict, so if it comes to pass, you'll be partly to blame.
    • fokov, on 06/20/2008, -1/+11Yes, and they will look you in the eye and ask straight from their heart "Why did you allow them to steal our freedoms after everything the men before you did to provide you with the freedom you enjoyed? Why are we now suffering?"

      And you will have to look them in their eyes and say "I was too lazy to do anything about it"
      • Pixelante, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7No, you will look them in their eyes and say "I couldn't do anything about it". And it will be true.
      • graeh, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2What the ***** can any of us do? In Australia the IT minister said "we're going to filter the internet!" - none of us want it, but what the hell can we do to stop it?

        What can any of us do to actually stop or reprieve any of this crap?

        What's left - making facebook groups - making youtube videos criticising bad policy and hoping it gets popular? Protesting makes you look fringe - writing to the ministers results in a form letter - the silent majority don't understand issues well enough to really get engaged...

        Where's the influential political lobby representing the interests of the informed citizen?
  • redxninja, on 06/20/2008, -15/+9Big Brother is taking over Europe. Come to America, the land of the truly free.
    • kakwakas, on 06/20/2008, -1/+23And also wiretaps.
    • deetank, on 06/20/2008, -2/+15haha funny joke
      • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7America doesn't even APPROACH the level of Big Brother Europe has what with Britain's CCTV coverage of just about every square inch of land. Find me an equivalent in the states.
        • bjornski, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7It's coming.

          Don't fool yourself.
        • Radan, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2It's actually kind of interesting to see how people look upon different countries a whole lot different from how they look upon their own.

          Here at least in Sweden, we see the US as one of the ultimate police states, where its own citizens fears their own government.

          The difference between how it's done in for example Sweden and the US, is that in Sweden, we are actually told what the government is doing and is about to do, where in the US, the government just does it anyway.
        • RonBurgundy76, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1All those cctv cameras would make excellent target practice...
    • subterfuge, on 06/20/2008, -0/+21Come to America, the land of the truly free*.

      *Tax payments necessary. Must be 21 or older to enter. Void where warrants aren't necessary. Some tazing required. States' rights not included. Any resemblence to real freedom, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
      • Joe11Blue, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4ROFLMAO! Classic. I think that's the first time I've ever actually laughed at something on Digg.
      • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1What were you looking for, a theme park? Find a superior alternative and move there.
  • maretten, on 06/20/2008, -15/+4How does Silly Penis have the right to take away their Silly Penis?!?!
  • Hetman, on 06/20/2008, -1/+27And this will happen in America if allow congress to grant immunity to telecommunications companies. It will be the end of the 4th amendment.
    • Lionhart, on 06/20/2008, -1/+19Uh this has been happening for about 5 years now in America.
    • Hetman, on 06/20/2008, -0/+15Yea but if you allow immunity they will get away with it. As the law stands now they can still be prosecuted for illegal wire taps.
  • jlabs, on 06/20/2008, -18/+1leftist/liberal governments have always been about more government control and less rights for its citizens. Looking at countries like Sweden will tell you what the united states will be like if somebody like Obama gets elected.
    • dinostabOMG, on 06/20/2008, -0/+10The reason this is a tragedy is because Sweden was miles ahead of us in the US in terms of human rights, and this law represents a major backslide. I know maybe you hadn't heard of Sweden until bittorrent, but their leftist reputation spans a lot farther back than this controversy.
    • 3szoom, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7So are you saying that Bush and his administration are leftist liberals? Please explain...
      • jlabs, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1"So are you saying that Bush and his administration are leftist liberals? Please explain."

        What rights don't you have as an american citizen? Please explain.

        and if you look at pretty much all of the major root beliefs of democrat liberals, it is all about government control.
    • dh122, on 06/20/2008, -0/+5Besides, A moderate-conservative government controls Sweden right now. The leftist Social Democrats all voted against the measure.
      • jlabs, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1"Besides, A moderate-conservative government controls Sweden right now"

        Sweden is SO far to the left, that moderate conservatives there are still more left than Obama.
  • nirvanix, on 06/20/2008, -0/+36What I want to know is why governments all over the world are pushing forward with these types of reforms. On the same day, Gordon Brown said that he would harvest the organs of newly deceased British without their consent. I mean WTF!
    I didn't believe there was some sort of organized NWO, but I'm starting to believe it. We are actually becoming slaves right before our eyes.
    • Drizzit, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Moo.. Mo mooo mooo..." Greetings Cows of Earth".
  • DaniCaliforniaS, on 06/20/2008, -0/+50Hey at least the sweden government admits it....
    • Stormwern, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Wish it was that well, they've been doing it illegally for years now.
  • davidbeile, on 06/20/2008, -0/+29Wiretapping is wrong. Hopefully this new law will be repealed soon. Take Action!
    • Radan, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Wiretapping happens everywhere either way. Here it will just be official.
      • Drizzit, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Cant wait till we see political "Dissidents" arrested before they can muck up the system. Cant have anyone disagreeing with the government.
  • dekki, on 06/20/2008, -2/+21First of I'm very against this law but there is a lot of misunderstandings about it.

    The law gives the Swedish military radio intelligent (FRA) the right to intercept and record all wired communication passing the Swedish border, they already had permission for wireless. So the law does not give them the power to listen in on Swedes if they are communicating within the Swedish border. The reason the Swedish military want this law is because of our IT infrastructure. Lots of east European (Ryssen) internet traffics routes via Sweden and FRA wants to spy on it.
    What is really sad is they way it was accepted and I do hope people remember this the next election.
    • Risingashes, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7What are people supposed to remember? Every political party is accountable. If you wanted to go against it you wouldn't vote- you would incite anarchy.
      • codewater, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4Well, there is always the pirate party with rick falkvinge, I will once again cast my vote on them and I hope this will convert even more people.
  • Unreal595, on 06/20/2008, -0/+18*****
  • vonskippy, on 06/20/2008, -0/+14If they're legalizing it today, it means they've had the method to do so for a long time and have been "testing" it for months.
  • raxor, on 06/20/2008, -3/+20This is probably because PirateBay is in Sweden. Blame the MPAA/RIAA!
  • digitallysick, on 06/20/2008, -4/+42Dear swedes we are sorry our current president spread his fear mongering to your country. We are all deeply sorry for giving governments around the world the idea of how to rob you of freedoms, sorry - America
    • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -7/+5And I was just barely writing a sarcastic comment about how it was just an amount of time before someone found a way to blame Bush. Wow.
  • AmonAmarth, on 06/20/2008, -11/+4This is pretty much why I'm so sick of white culture. It seems like this trend of over-security is sweeping the globe, and I'm pretty keen on getting out as soon as possible.
    PS if John McCain gets elected the first thing I'm doing is obtaining a passport, the next thing is getting the ***** out ASAP. One love.
    • Nodnarbs, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Awesome if you can't stand diversity it is definitely time to gtfo of America. And I don't think Sweden represents "white culture" but uh thats a pretty dumb statement. Also us liberals get portrayed as un patriotic because of dumbasses who are like "oh if I don't get my way I'm moving to a different country"...awesome later bro, don't need ya or want ya. I think I'll stay here and stand up for the country I was born in and not be chased out some piece of legislation.
    • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2NO ONE CARES.
    • pagno, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Arent all new passports equipped with RFID?
  • d1gg3r1, on 06/20/2008, -0/+12This will no doubt set a precendant which will soon spread to other countries. Just because the majority of us live in larger countries does not make us immune to such government actions; to think otherwise is just ignorant. What we need to do is voice our distaste at such actions, so that similar transgressions might be avoided in the future. While the "outrage" started before the measure was enacted, it pales in comparison to what is no doubt coming... We are all already going to spend countless hours on the Internet, so why not take five minutes to shoot off an email, preferably one with some trace of intelligence, to the Swedish governement? If you have more time than I do, and more drive and desire to do so, start a movement. The "Internet" frequently boycotts companies for mishaps, albeit our attention span dictates that it never lasts very long (lol). If I saw a petition or a "boycottsweden.com" tomorrow, it wouldn't suprise me in the least. Anyway, all of the contact information for the Swedish governement can be found @ http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/2052
  • isparadiselost, on 06/20/2008, -1/+19At least it was done publicly. Here in the States, they do it regardless of the legality. We have a dictator who circumvents congress and just makes decisions that seem to become law even though they are completely illegal. If you think the US is a free country or a country that regards the rule of law as a priority, I've got lakefront property in Death Valley at a bargain price!

    I feel sorry for the Swedes. It'll be like creeping death. It's tentacles will slowly work their way throughout Scandinavia and they'll wake up slaves without knowing whatever happened.
    • trenchcoat, on 06/20/2008, -7/+2Dictator. You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
    • Skooma714, on 06/20/2008, -0/+5The US respects the rule of law.

      Unless it happens to get in the way or might punish anyone with power or money.
    • dh122, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2Slaves? Really?
    • nakani, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3impeach.
  • poiuytrewq44, on 06/20/2008, -1/+28What. The. *****!!! Sweden has always been a bastion of sanity and liberty even since the middle ages. Their royalty always took such great care of their people. How could their parliament do this? When did this change?!?
    • Skooma714, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Parliament figured out they can have oodles of power and bribes.
    • Anthet, on 06/20/2008, -0/+5Bastion of sanity and liberty? I cant even buy apsrin in a non goverment controlled store. We are far from liberty in Sweden. And with this I just lost all my hope.
      • Stormwern, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1And why is that a bad thing per se, they have all the normal brands and don't sell for profit.
        • Anthet, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Because the stores close at around 19:00 (or earlier in some cases) so if you have the need for an asprin you are ***** out of luck after 19:00. Also, it's just a testamente of how hopelessly controlled we are. The government is everywhere, and now they are even keeping track of us online.
        • Stormwern, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Yes, no asprin after 7pm is the true testament of enslavement..
    • Stormwern, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2We had some really bad kings from 1500 to 1700. They tried to conquer northern europe, which is a bad idea for a country of barely a million people.
  • Qtip42, on 06/20/2008, -2/+13Anyone remember the LA riots? I can only hope that if something like this happens in the states that people will stand up and go ***** crazy. I feel bad for the swedes but I'd riot if I were them.
    • Skooma714, on 06/20/2008, -6/+1Tomorrow you're homeless.

      TONIGHT IT'S A BLAST

      Tomorrow you're homeless

      Tonight it's a blast.
    • glenSM, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Everyone I think we can take notice of Northern Ireland and how they just don't give a *****. They pushed out the idea of paying for water, when it "***** FALLS FROM THE SKY EVERY ***** DAY!!". Riot like the french too. We can do it XD
  • Barackalypse, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1No problem, there are plenty of encrypting proxy services that cost less than 10 Euro a month. The government is more than welcome to monitor any of my encrypted traffic.
    • ZachSka87, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4You missed the part about them paying a special division to crack encryption, didn't you?
  • tufftugg, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.

    And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand. The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

    • bjornski, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2...and Bob said "Give me some slack!"
    • skinturtle, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2And ya know...people just don't see it do they? All this is coming true right before our eyes and it's all there in black and white but people still scoff.

      Back about 10-20 years ago people would read Revelations and say things like, "Well I don't see how any of that could ever happen...the public would never allow a government to mark us like that!"

      Well people it's starting to happen..and you can see how it's beginning to unfold. The public is allowing this all to transpire and be assured that this prophecy is coming to pass.

      Nation is already rising against nation and with the rising price of fuel it makes everything go up including financial stress in families which causes a rise theft as people begin to get desperate to survive. This is where the whole idea of "brother against brother" comes into play. People will be out for themselves like never before.

      And as it says here....
      Luke 21:26 - People will be terrified at what they see coming upon the earth, for the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

      Laugh all you wish...but it's coming.


    • fuzzybeard, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2It's things like this that have turned me against organized religion as a rule; why would anyone worship a Deity/Higher Power/ Hypersomatic Being that gets their jollies by watching you suffer because you didn't do what they say?
  • Barnolde, on 06/20/2008, -1/+19Thanks to the internet, corruption, greed, fear, etc. your privacy is dead, your rights are gone and you will never get them back. The worst part is that you will accept it and you will like it. Subservience is a bitch.

    George Orwell says "I told you so."
    • Joe11Blue, on 06/20/2008, -5/+0See that button on the front of the PC? Push it, and it's easily all over.
    • pagno, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3"Freedom is Slavery."
    • skimmas, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4«O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.»
    • George0rwell, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1No I dont.
  • Thinbev, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5Looks like the Swedish politicians will cause a Ron Paul type movement in their country. People around the world are getting sick and tired of big government.

    • Pixelante, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4Yes, because Ron Paul is such a big success.
      Swedes will grumble a bit and then they will accept it, as will everybody else. People will not revolt because they have too much to lose. As long as there's food on the table, nobody will care.
      And the governments have got smarter since the 19th Century: there will always be food on the table. The people will not revolt. They will not care.
    • Stormwern, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Swedes love big government, we're just used to the government doing pretty much what we tell them to do.
  • mrshare, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4They are taking lessons from Bush's USA.
  • happytedium, on 06/20/2008, -0/+20Didn't expect this out of Sweden...
    • fuzzybeard, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7Nobody expects the Swedish Inquisition!
      • Skooma714, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Their chief weapon is surprise and fear.
    • boobyman, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Neither did the Swedes. I'm ashamed of calling myself a Swede.
      I'm going to write an email to the Swedish Pirateparty's attourney (yes, we do have one:)) and ask him if there is a chance the Swedish people could win a lawsuit in Haag.(EU-court. Which Is now ***** with microsoft - helllo)
  • LivingMachine, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5What is the justification for such a random action? It's funny and sad to see the Western World becoming more and more communist-like.

    Maybe I should've substituted "authoritarian" for communist. Or maybe I'm trying to make a point and convince people that China is influencing the world as an example of how to control the populace.
  • dh122, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7I think everybody needs to just calm down here. The vote was 143-138, so this is a small majority. If the people are truly pissed, they will vote Sweden's current ***** centre-right coalition out in the next election, and put the Social Democrats back in charge. The Social Democrats, as it turns out, uniformly opposed the bill. I don't expect this to last long as law.
    • DestroyFascism, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Much like Australia's Workplace agreements and wage bargaining. Brought to us by a bunch of right wing fascist bastards who go seriously voted out!

      Boss states sign this or else.
      You look and find $5 less PH and no loadings for public holidays when no one else is working including public transport. You soon find you are thousands a year worse off.

      The verdict,

      They can sack you for not signing it.

  • gullevek, on 06/20/2008, -2/+8Civil war.

    Burning down goverment buildings.

    Chopping of heads from politicians.

    History repeats itself ...
    • Pixelante, on 06/20/2008, -1/+9Won't happen.
    • Skooma714, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5All of this has happened before, and will happen again
      • Jareth86, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3The dieing leader will realize the truth of the opera house.
      • Pixelante, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0So say we all.
  • pablo0713, on 06/20/2008, -7/+7So, I guess it is safe to say that Europeans are a bunch of stupid ***** too....

    - An American
    • dominikkom, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7People who make these sort of generalizations are usually the *****.....
      • DestroyFascism, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Americans and Australians are dumb ***** and Kiwi's, fark!

        I'm an Australian and I am a dumb *****!

        As for the Europeans. they are just weird Dumb *****!

  • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -11/+3This is all the reason you should require for voting in a true conservative. Every Obama supporting liberal out there supports this kind of government-owns-everything ideology. If all of our communications companies and the lines they run on were owned by private citizens, the government would never be able to use it for anything the people didn't want it used for because the people own it. All of you that want support from your government from the cradle to the grave need to realize if they give it to you, they have the right to control every part of it including YOU. *cough* healthcare *cough* Keep the people in control!!

    VOTE CONSERVATIVE!
    • dh122, on 06/20/2008, -2/+8You idiot, the conservatives CONTROL Sweden right now. In Europe, any party called Centre, Moderate, or Liberal is probably conservative in your book. In fact, the "socialists" in Sweden, the Social Democrats, voted uniformly AGAINST the bill. Who's protecting privacy?
      • bjornski, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3You really expect him to understand that?
      • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1You missed it bud. That's extra pathetic seeing as how you only had to read 12 words in before you reached the critical one. A TRUE conservative. Despite what Bush branded in your mind about what it means, and if you're old enough for this to not be the first big election you remember, is a politician that worries only about his stance on government, and to keep it as small and localized as possible. A true conservative obviously has opinions on certain matters but he knows they don't matter because he doesn't believe the government should have enough power to delegate either way in the first place. A true conservative is the rarest and most valuable politician because he basically believes in limiting his own power, something humans aren't very good at doing. Most of you that call yourselves a democrat or think of yourself as a liberal would be ashamed if you knew what that stance truly stood for. A true democrat supports a LARGER more POWERFUL government, higher taxes to pay for it all, and less individual freedoms; because after all you obviously can't control yourself. This isn't a point of argument, it's not my opinion, it's just simple fact. If you really want to try and convince me that at their core's they (conservatives and democrats) don't believe that then be my guest.
    • pagno, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3"Every Obama supporting liberal out there supports this kind of government-owns-everything ideology"

      Wow! *****. You. The government has NO authority beyond the Constitution, and this type of ***** is blatantly contradictory of said document. Therefore, your typecasting holds no water. You are awarded no points, and may whatever malignant god you follow have mercy on your soul.
      • utahnkid, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1What do you call universal health care? Higher taxes to pay for all these systems? They are LIBERAL policies. They are a perfect example of what someone would desire if they believed in a larger more powerful government. That is the very definition of a liberal. Genius.
  • zephyear, on 06/20/2008, -2/+15hope you learned your lesson for voting in the right wingers, sweden
    • dh122, on 06/20/2008, -1/+12Thank you for being one of the first to realize that the conservatives, not the socialists, pushed this through.
    • falafelkiosken, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2our "right wing" is like your liberals, I rather vote on them than the Social Democrats. But they have really let me down now, next time I'll lay my vote on the Pirate Party
    • Anthet, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Actually the left tried to push this through a year ago. The social democrats were the first to want this sort of thing.
      When are people going to learn that it doesnt matter who you vote for? THey are all the same. We need more of the classical liberal type in government to reduce the friggin thing to ashes and keep it that way.
  • sturmgiest, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7and up to this point I thought the Swedish government actually worked. Boy was I wrong.
    • thawkth, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0The price for liberty is eternal vigilance.

      A piece of wisdom the United States was given at the start...

      Perhaps we will have something to give the world yet...though we'll have to clean out our own regime first.

  • cipher64, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8Way to go democracy....really democracy has been made to bend over in the name of the war on terrorism. I get confused who's winning and who's losing, what the **** is this war all about again. People are dying by the hundreds of thousands, people are losing their rights by the millions, the only people I see benefiting from this whole fiasco are over zealous governments. The more these events unfold the more democracy seems to be just an illusion, vote once in a while and then just **** off. It's obvious that protests don't mean ***** to these power hungry politicians, but the public has been convinced that protests are there only options. Parliaments pass these laws happily and courts for the most part agree, who is going to bring change?
  • dh122, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4If anyone is interested, this is a poor translation of a press release put out by the Swedish Social Democratic Party, the only major party to vote against the measure.
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    Defence will be collected during the Wednesday afternoon for the further preparation of the moderatstyrda the government's proposal. Thereafter, it will be debate and decision in the House during the evening.

    Defence Committee chairman, Anders Karlsson (s) are not satisfied with the changes that have been announced.

    -- No, this is a hastily. Now if you will postpone a case as well, we should take time to bear. They have had 365 days on them and now you should make it five in twelve.

    According to Karlsson, the Social Democrats likely to vote "no" even after the changes because there is something new in substance.

    To Anders Karlsson also commented on the proposal earlier this week:

    -- I am strongly critical of the government's proposal "Act on signals intelligence." The middle-class government's proposal contains a number of shortcomings, among other matters, it is not the privacy of the individual enough. This is not met the requirements of a modern country must put up on the rule of law.

    -- We place our military non-alignment and the security of the country first. This calls for a försvarsunderrättelseverksamhet. But it must be reconciled with a strong protection for the individual to avoid becoming avlyssnad or supervised without reasonable grounds.

    -- The government bill presented does not have this protection and are therefore a threat to the individual's privacy. Integritetsskyddet is not acceptable in the government bill and that is why we shall vote against the proposal.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Once again, I apologize for the sloppy translation.
    • DestroyFascism, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1försvarsunderrättelseverksamhet = Revolution right?

      avlyssnad = a ***** fight?
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