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  • balilanai, on 06/25/2008, -3/+476MTV should be named A-MTV "Anything but music television". Gone are those beautiful days with tons of music videos every day every hour.
    • rationalbeats, on 06/26/2008, -2/+98I say the 'M' stands for mystery because you don't know what the hell is gonna come on next but your pretty certain it's not gonna be a music video.
      • pckbeta, on 06/26/2008, -2/+6Gentlemen, It's called fuse. Enjoy.
        • davidg11, on 06/26/2008, -5/+3fuse is canadian, isnt it?

          Canada programming sucks balls
        • AROZ, on 06/26/2008, -3/+2Here are two instances of ignorance. To pckbeta's comments, while Fuse actually shows music videos, the amount of time devoted to music videos is declining. Also, they were once an awesome source for new and alternative rock, but now most of the music they do show is mainstream stuff.

          However, davidg11's comment was the truly ignorant. For one, Fuse was never Canadian. However, it was born out of a Canadian owned network called Much Music, which is Canada's MTV. They started a station called MMUSA which was what Fuse took over.

          Canada has produced some interesting television programming over the years too.
        • brjndr, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Degrassi FTW!!!
        • Larsonal777, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Can any one say Red Green? keep your stick on the ice.
      • speedk0re, on 06/26/2008, -0/+9mystery my ass... it's called "my super sweet 16" and it's all they ever play
      • Soniti, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4I'm pretty certain that it will be a marathon of "Date my mom" or "Pimp my ride".. You know, all those shows are are so "in tune" with todays' ultra-connected teenagers that definitely don't base their own sense of self worth on their possessions, or people's opinions thereof.
      • arplayer2k, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3There is no mystery here. I know its going to be a series of mind numbing Reality TV Crap, show after show, day after day, month after month, year after year.
    • Truth3, on 06/26/2008, -0/+61I think they only have one show dedicated towards music, "TRL". Well I shouldn't say music, because the stuff they play (like Soulja Boy) can't be considered music, it's that pathetic.
      • Ryan166, on 06/26/2008, -60/+3DON'T TALK ***** ABOUT SOULJA BOY!!!!!!
        • Syphon8, on 06/26/2008, -1/+58Soulja Boy can eat a dick.
        • funkytommyman, on 06/26/2008, -12/+5Leave Soulja Boy ALONE!!!
        • freeth1nker, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4To hell with Soulja Boy. ...and to hell with Travis Barker too for taking the time to make that stupid "remix" video on his drums.
        • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -1/+3Ice-T is a digger?
      • unreg, on 06/26/2008, -2/+29I want my MTV !!
      • PhillyMJS, on 06/26/2008, -0/+12Does TRL even count? The few times I saw it they didn't even play uninterrupted videos, they kept drowning out the music and obscuring part of the screen with screaming-idiot teenage girls giving shout-outs to their equally-vapid friends.
      • Spudster, on 06/26/2008, -1/+9Travis Barker Soulja Boy remix is actually good. Come to think about it, nearly every hip hop song redone by Travis Barker is better. I can't tell whether that has to do with hip hop sucking or Travis Barker being musically talented.

        http://youtube.com/watch?v=RKQgDY0pZ68
        • arplayer2k, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Its the only version that should be spoken of.
      • GlueSniffer, on 06/26/2008, -0/+7And we all know Soulja Boy eats dicks.
    • Lukesed, on 06/26/2008, -1/+8If you really want music videos, the trick is to tivo them while they run in the middle of the night before the next time you have a party or whatever you want to watch them for. It sucks that it has come to this, but music videos aren't at all time sensitive so there is no real disadvantage.
      • PhrosTT, on 06/26/2008, -2/+7mtv 2 actually plays music.

        mtv 1 is for 13 year old girls.
        • sugarazor, on 06/26/2008, -0/+19MTV2 doesn't even really play music anymore. Occasionally you'll find some cool stuff on there, but it's usually just filled with older MTV programming. And by old, I mean from 2005.
        • sagegoku666, on 06/26/2008, -0/+7well they do play beavis and butthead sometimes late at night on mtv2... that show RULES
      • crickey23, on 06/26/2008, -2/+1Actually, even if you did record the music videos, there's tons of commercial breaks, which defeats the purpose.
        • Lukesed, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3You can skip those, this is the main benefit of recording.
    • RRJackson, on 06/26/2008, -1/+58I missed everything that wasn't MTV from about 1983 to 1987. People used to joke about my television being the "MTV box." Then I got a job at a local music video station in '88. I remember flying to New York to shoot a Paul McCartney press conference and having Martha Quinn walk up and start a conversation during the lunch break. It felt really strange at the time after so many hours of watching her on the box.

      The thing is, the industry wasn't sure where it was going for a few years. It was like Bezos running Amazon at a loss and just having faith that the path to profits lay along the direction he was going. Nobody really knew what was going on. Our little local productions were getting significant national attention because nobody was sure that grassroots promotion wasn't going to end up being the key to making the whole thing work.

      Eventually it became apparent that the revenue won't come from selling advertising during blocks of music videos. The sponsors won't pay top-dollar for the ad time because it's too unpredictable. If the videos you play aren't connecting with the audience the viewership can fluctuate wildly. So everyone dayparted. MTV started showing MTV News and 120 Minutes and programs like that and it just expanded from there. You can sell time to advertisers during "real shows" because people are creatures of habit and you can kind of predict the level of your viewership. That gives the sales maggots something to pitch. Once you start feeding that beastie it gets hungrier and hungrier until every minute of your day has some half-hour show running. And why were we ever running music videos in the first place?

      It's sad, but won't be likely to change until the bandwidth for high-quality video is more commonplace on the Internet and specialty video stations can exist in the way that Internet radio exists now. But even then there's going to be a need for a commerce model or things will probably head in the same direction again.
      • alexforcefive, on 06/26/2008, -0/+17I think your post was TL;DR for most people, but it was a good read. I actually quite like 120 minutes, and I wouldn't mind at all if mtv was to separate its programming into "the metal hour" and "the pop hour" to keep their advertisers happy. It's a shame that showing jackass reruns is so much cheaper than showing good music
        • JCizle, on 06/26/2008, -1/+6You saying it was TLDR is the reason why MTV plays the brainless crud they do now IMO. They have nixed all forms of the 120min segments and MTV News is... what... 45secs of pop culture news every bottom of the hour?

          My hey day for MTV was mid to late 90s... lots of cartoons and good Real World, not the Sex World marathons they play now. It's a far cry from something RRJackson remembers it as in its early days. Now, I can't stand MTV myself, but it's what 'the kids' want to watch. A sad truth. But MTV is a business at the end of the day...

          If people still actually cared about watching music videos on TV (and it was a predictable sales format like RRJ said) it could be the same... Doesn't MTV have 5+ digital cable channels that play nonstop videos anyhow... and genre based at that...

          Great story RRJ.
        • RRJackson, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4Well, what happened was that the early programs were music-based programs, but then MTV tried out "lifestyle" programs and cartoons and discovered that viewership was even more stable and predictable. Essentially they discovered that they wanted to run a regular cable channel instead of a music video station, but that the trappings of being music-oriented plugged them into a demographic that was hard for most stations to tap. And as someone else pointed out, they started to expand their channel lineup to target specific demographics. It's a shame that the ad dollars aren't there to run the thing the way it was most entertaining (IMO, of course).
      • balilanai, on 06/26/2008, -2/+4All the more reason to believe that they care only about advertising dollars and not about us. I pledged to stop watching Vh1 and mtv about 6 years ago and love life more now. Youtube came to the rescue
      • MammasMilk, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Well of COURSE what you posted is 100% dead on. Can't argue it.

        Doesn't make it suck less that they took the M out of MTV though.
      • Horace, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4MTV News?I hated that ding-dong tabitha soren and those two fags kurt loder and john norriss. How do I even remember their names?
    • palewook, on 06/26/2008, -0/+10true dat. theres a reason i watch videos online now instead of on the "music" channels.
    • tcpik, on 06/26/2008, -0/+7Yeah, because of this we are pretty much forced to download big torrents of music videos to play them on our TV's because that is really the only way to see them now.

    • HumbleDialog, on 06/26/2008, -0/+21When MTV2 came out, I thought "Alright, they finally get it - a station that plays all music videos". Then they ruined that too! Now MTV2 is usually playing the same ***** as MTV at the same time. It's like a mirror.
      • Ibox, on 06/26/2008, -0/+10I was gunna make that exact same point... theve gone straight to hell... VH1 isn't any better.
        • specialK16, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3At least, of the very little music videos you get to see, they are a hundred times more better than the ***** you get on mtv nowadays.
        • bjkrautk, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4I agree in principal, but I've taken to Time-shifting the music Videos VH1 does play (Nocturnal State + TiVo = Win).

          It's somewhat annoying to see the same video come up multiple times during a 3 hour block, but that's what the 30-second skip was made for.
        • RRJackson, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Well, and that's the other thing. The "independent promotions agent." They're the reason you see that same video pop up multiple times during a 3-hour block of videos. These are people hired by the labels to make sure their product gets airplay. They grease the wheels for the priority product. They also make life tough if you don't show the artists they're plugging in a favorable light. Not really a lot different than the Payola rackets of the 50's, except they're authorized to both reward *and* punish. Don't list our new top-tier artist's single as an "add" this week? How about you lose the interview you'd wanted with that other artist that brings you viewers? How would that influence your decision?
      • poxonyou, on 06/26/2008, -0/+8Read RRJackson above. MTV2 was a ploy to increase Viacom's space on cable subscriptions. At first, they started as the only way to really get a real music channel. They had campaigns for people to pressure their cable companies to add the channel. Now that the channel is well featured, they can focus on pleasing advertisers by having normal TV programs, instead of music videos, where people are more likely to turn the channel at any given moment because they don't like a particular song. Other companies have done the same thing. The only place you'll find a real music videos all the time anymore is on the Internet, thankfully.
    • gunderoo, on 06/26/2008, -1/+8or *****-Music Television
    • dnields, on 06/26/2008, -0/+16No, the "M" still works. It just stands for "Marketing" TV now, instead of music.
      Seeing that they don't play music anymore, but rather try to sell you on a 'lifestyle' and whatever else they can dupe people into..
    • Cagnazzo82, on 06/26/2008, -1/+17"Video killed the radio star..."
    • bigfatpaulie, on 06/26/2008, -3/+9Do people even care about music videos anymore? Oh please bring back the 3 minute vids of some tramp shakin her ass in front of a pimped out car or 3 douchebags running naked on a beach. No thanks. I hope we've evolved enough to recognize ***** pop music focused on style over substance when we see it. MTV's Unplugged, VH1's Behind the Music, Legends & Storytellers, MOJO's Lodon Live and similar concert series...this is what "music television" should be. Not crappy videos. And definitely not Real World & co.
      • RRJackson, on 06/26/2008, -1/+7Dude, not to be preachy here, but the music video can be an extremely hip form of experimental film. I mean, you're right...it can also be crap, but it has a purity as an experimental film format because it combines music and images in what can be either a narrative or non-narrative form to convey any kind of vibe you like. It can be something that would make Stan Brakhage proud or it can be crap, but that depends on the filmmakers. And a lot of times I picked videos to promote based completely on their visual impact. Plus music videos can be from live performances, which are often excellent for turning people on to new artists.
        • bigfatpaulie, on 06/26/2008, -1/+5Good music stands on its own. It's not supposed to be a visual experience. Sure music can enhance a film, but the typical music video comes nowhere close to being art in that the way. 99% of them are either gratuitous T&A or completely up its own ass.
      • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2The Michael Gondry, Spike Jonze era of music videos was the golden age. Obviously we'd all like to go back to that. Hell, watching that Lost trailer from a while back where they're all dancing to Portishead was the closest thing to those videos I've seen in years. Then again, David LaChappelle directed it.
    • jzuska, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I removed the station from my tivo list. Now I only watch Fuse.
    • OomBok, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3MTV se ma se poes.


      In my country that means "MTV sucks. Rather badly."
    • demusdesign, on 06/26/2008, -8/+1TV has changed, I think we should all just get over it. They stopped showing music videos because people stopped watching music videos. Then when people starting crying for them again, they gave them MTV2 (remember the ad where the guy tosses the TV threw the window? "HERE!"). Then that failed because people didn't watch it.

      To really be valuable, this graph would need to include MTV's overall ratings versus their content. My bet is it would be a steady incline.

      TV is no longer the medium for music videos, that belongs to youtube (see YouTube, videos, most viewed, all time). So if you want videos, no problem, just go there.

      All these conspiracy theories just make me laugh. They only put what people watch on TV. As simple as that. That's capitalism, take it or leave it.
    • HypocriteDigg, on 06/26/2008, -5/+2Oh Christ, you probably weren't even born during those days. Stop posting the obvious comments to get it dugg up. Watch MTV2 if you want videos whiner.
      • ksgant, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4Have you seen MTV2 lately? It's just a mirror of MTV1. Gone are the music videos there too.
      • sleepwalkers, on 06/26/2008, -1/+3MTV2 isn't the "music video MTV" anymore, either.
    • ksgant, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4What happened to VH1 also? It used to be about music and I always enjoyed the "Behind the Music" shows....but it's like they decided to just stop all that and change everything. Now it's trying to be like FX or whatever.
    • BTime, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Not quite entirely accurate. Back in the mid-80's MTV also used to show comedians performing standup. Like Robin Williams and Eddie Murphy back when they were funny.
    • perkoff, on 06/27/2008, -0/+0The Real World was great the first 3 seasons. Season 4 sucked ass, Season 5 was better than 4 but nothing compared to the first three. When they started only having models on the show and started to give them all a stupid job the show started to suck ass.
    • JohnLawson, on 06/28/2008, -0/+1I remember when MTV used to be good. Bush wasn't in office back then either. =P
  • magicjohnson, on 06/25/2008, -7/+112there's no way that video music awards are aired more than music videos, but then again I wouldn't know for sure since I stopped watching MTV when the Real World started airing
    • guydudeman, on 06/25/2008, -0/+35I'm hard-pressed to find a show on MTV that actually shows a single music video in its entirety.
      • stellamaris, on 06/26/2008, -0/+16Sometimes, if you're lucky, you can see the middle 30 seconds of it while screaming teenagers yell over the music.
    • forceuser, on 06/26/2008, -2/+7TLC, but I hate that show because of all the screaming and random comments made by the host during videos.
      • kong27, on 06/26/2008, -0/+18Did you mean TRL ... or am i just old?
        • forceuser, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3I dunno, maybe. It's been a long time since I've watched TV in general.
        • giantsfan134, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Yeah, he means TRL; TLC is the learning channel.
      • Chrysalii, on 06/26/2008, -1/+16I love this thread WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! and I want to send a shout out to my homie Maurice.

        my head hurts now.
      • sleepwalkers, on 06/26/2008, -0/+5Ironically, I'd be less surprised to see a music video on TLC than on MTV.
    • Luke2012, on 06/26/2008, -1/+7I'm pretty sure it's just made up as a joke. There's no scale on the vertical axis and it would lead you to believe that MTV has much more air-time now than it did in the past.
      • specialK16, on 06/26/2008, -4/+2Yes, only that you are completely wrong.
      • bman85, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Yeah... maybe it would lead YOU to believe that...
    • unravelled, on 06/26/2008, -4/+3Here's another fact that will ruin your MTV experience. Watch any show on MTV and there is a scene change in 5 seconds or less regardless of which show it is! Now tell me that's not brainwashing tactics for the autistic generation of idiots coming up behind us.
    • mcfly99, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Preachin to the choir
    • arplayer2k, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Its not Real World, its Real Douchebaggery.
  • rjc5056, on 06/25/2008, -32/+3771) The original Real World seasons were actually groundbreaking and if you're at all into psychology, quite interesting. They helped put a face on AIDS that did wonders for demystifying the disease and in turn helped the gay rights movement. The problems started when they started casting kids based on their propensity for irrational/dickish/obnoxious behavior for better ratings. Essentially, taking the outliers of society and thus losing any "realness" the show once had. Look at the attractiveness of the cast members increase over the years too. Same idea.
    2) This graph is horrible in its execution. I have no clue by what units the y-axis is being measured. I can't figure out what the hell it's saying but there's no way VMAs are played at an almost equal rate to Real World.
    • Burento, on 06/25/2008, -6/+42Sure the Real World was ground breaking.. and had absolutely nothing at all to do with Music in the least.
      • rjc5056, on 06/25/2008, -1/+34I don't disagree. I was just saying that waaaayyy back in the day, the show had its merits that may or may not have put enough positives out there to outweigh the negative of a non-music show on the channel. It still essentially opened Pandora's box, though. No argument there.
      • Nitrodist88, on 06/26/2008, -8/+2BUT IT WAS GROUNDBREAKING!
      • Modestexcuse, on 06/26/2008, -1/+4Wasn't it also one of the first reality shows?

        Not that I think it's groundbreaking. I do see the interest in psychology. Even with its drama ridden cast, I can stand to watch it at times.
      • rplantz, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2MTV naturally progressed from being a source for music/music videos to being a source for young American culture. Real World was a major step in that direction.

        Best Essay on Real World Ever: Chuck Klosterman in 'Sex, Drugs and Cocoa Puffs'
    • FrankDrebbin, on 06/26/2008, -7/+10The real world consisted of getting overly dramatic people drunk and watching them argue. I think on average, it took 24 hours of footage to create 6 watchable minutes of real world. It is ground breaking in the way it led to the degradation of MTV and all television in general.
      • lokee73, on 06/26/2008, -1/+17No man, they mean the 1st season of the real world.

        There was no drunken drama. There were no overly dramatic people. There were no drama queens the first season.

        There was tension, but it came from real places and real fears and real prejudices.

        And most amazing of all, people TALKED about their differences to try and work them out.

        The first season was amazing...after that it turned to crap.
        • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -0/+8Thank you! I was beginning to feel like my original comment was flying over everyone's head because I guess a lot of diggers are too young to have seen anything BUT the ***** newer seasons.
        • Jauladeoro, on 08/27/2008, -0/+9Remember the argument between Kevin and Julie on racism?

          How about how Rachel tried to balance friendship with, Puck a trouble making outcast and Pedro, a homosexual with AIDS who was often antagonized by Puck?

          What about Jon and Tami's discussion on abortion?

          How about when David tried to remove Tami's blanket when she wasn't dressed - the whole "No means no", thing?

          These were important issues and I learned a lot from those early years.... These days when I skip by MTV and see Real World, I can't separate one season from the other. They are all "attractive" people who are drunk, horny and arguing. It's sad that MTV ruined this show. They could have had an impact on today's youth by talking about real issues, instead it's a never ending frat party.

        • Shaidown, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4@spiltmilkblog

          Everything you mention other than Kevin & Julie is from Season 2

          Season 2 was in SF with the Cowboy....Puck was a Douche, Tami was a drama-queen, and David really wasn't all that funny for a comedian.

          Season 2 wasn't a drama-filled f*ckfest like the rest, but the people were a helluva lot flakier than Season 1


          Season 1 was in New York...and was awesome.....

          oh oh....remember how Season 1 (& 2) they had a JOB...that they HAD to do?
        • Jauladeoro, on 08/27/2008, -0/+1True enough. NY was my favorite, though I tend to remember more about SF. I wish they'd play reruns of the 1st season.

          I still laugh when I remember Heather getting pulled down the street by that big dog. "That dog made me fall!"

          Some pretty good episode recaps here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_World:_New_Y ...
        • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Yea the jobs that I've seen of late are not only mind-blowingly easy, lax, and downright awesome, but these kids still can't seem to give a ***** about them. Getting to film SXSW in Austin and then bitching about having to take ONE DAY to film some ***** out in the desert?!?!
        • urbano35, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3I'm a bit young so I've never seen these seasons. I've always thought of the real world to be faker than cartoons until you guys cleared things up. Too bad none of this changes how preppy and retarded MTV came to be...
    • Heydude008, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I agree, the first few seasons was the beginning of the so called reality shows. It was good, certain interesting moments. It probably died when each season started to follow the same format
    • aud24, on 06/26/2008, -4/+6I think I have said those same words more or less- This notion of 'The Real World' is ludicrous- the people they cast on the show have absolutely no substance... But sadly in a lot of ways it is representative of the overall decline of 'real people' - sociologically speaking our consumer-driven society had created these vapid misfits- that would rather talk about beer, working out, and friends with benefits relationships- than anything relevant or thought-provoking... The world is becoming less 'real'.
      • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2I dugg you up for the sentiment, but was seriously considering a bury just for how depressing that was...
        • aud24, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2Come on it's true! Look around at all of the insipid lemmings that adhere to the new societal convention of mediocrity... We are a society of meatheads and bimbos... Sorry I'm a realist borderline pessimist...
        • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2And I'm a realist borderline misanthrope... but it's still rough to read it so bluntly. To hear someone else say it.
        • moonguidex, on 06/26/2008, -1/+5Should we leave you 2 alone for a special moment?
        • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2Moonguide, if you wanted to join in and make it a menage why didn't you just say so? There's always room for one more.
        • aud24, on 06/26/2008, -1/+0I always say I’m one trip to Hollister away from being Ted Kazinski… but it is a matter of reconciling with your misanthropic tendencies… I’ve been on both sides of the pendulum- the mindless bimbo (not really- just pretending) and the snarky realist that sees things for how bleak they really are… I often wonder are people really this empty? Or are they just following the lead- it’s a matter of deprogramming- looking at the beer-guzzling quadrupeds and knowing that they should not dictate popular culture- But I still get the urge to smack dumb people in the back of the head sometimes- like omg like you know like like (the ones that have a true command of the English language)—you catch my drift.
    • Shawn4168, on 06/26/2008, -0/+10Dude, it's graphjam...the graphs there are hardly scientific.
    • solid12345, on 06/26/2008, -6/+3Now the Real World is responsible for putting a face on AIDS? No.

      It was the death of celebrities like Freddy Mercury, Arthur Ashe, Rock Hudson, etc. who really turned middle-America to the plight and showed no matter how famous you were you could get it too, even if you are not gay as in the case of Arthur Ash through blood transfusion, not some 20 year-old nobody on a cable channel reality show.
      • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -1/+4I didn't choose Pedro to be the poster boy, but to deny his being on that show and the positive ramifications is just plain wrong and the ***** dearth of coverage and reflection on it that you can find online will back that up.
        • solid12345, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I'm not putting down the Real World or Pedro Zamora, i'm just saying middle-America never watched the Real World or MTV but they know who Freddy Mercury was.
        • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1I get where you were coming from with that, solid. But, the thing is, to the stereotypical apathetic and slackerish kid in the early 90s that would be MTV's demo, they probably didn't give two ***** about Freddy, Arthur, and no way Rock. So the reason Pedro was huge was because he got that group of "egocentric slackers" to get involved and educated in a big way. Like how Obama is now reinvigorating today's youth into the political fray.
    • sonic11, on 06/26/2008, -1/+4agreed.
      and let us not forget Sifl and Olly. real innovation in sock puppet technology and amazing special effects.
      • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -2/+1I hope you're not dissing Liam Lynch, because I was walking down the street one-day-and-I-ran-into-this-dude-and-I was-like-"hey-what's-up?"-and-he-was-all-"Yeah?WHATEVER!"
    • CyclonusRIP, on 06/26/2008, -2/+1I'm not really how scientifically valuable the "let's lock 5 crazy people together in a house and see what happens experiment" that The Real World conducts is to psychology.
    • instigator24, on 06/26/2008, -10/+3Helping the gay movement is a good thing?
    • userperson, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2The first season was interest... wow, supposedly real people weird, interesting!
      The second season, was a bunch of people continuously bickering ... and it just went downhill from there (as did reality television) ... then as I understand later on it became an really weak alternative for porn?
    • omgsoemo, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1but even still, great or whatever, where did my music go?
    • jbrousseau, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1the graph is measured in duration - not frequency.
    • arplayer2k, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1If by groundbreaking, you mean like aids for television, degrading programming to a series of crap Reality TV shows and making the next generation of America a bunch of Real World and American Idol douchebags, than yeah it was sure groundbreaking. Bring out the cake...
  • phetasy, on 06/25/2008, -4/+50So true. I miss the good ol' days of music videos.
    • IglooBurner, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2The good ol' days of plain good tv shows too, where an episode is really ONE story, and not one sixteenth of a story. I was watching The Outer Limits on iTune. Man I really miss that show, and it always leaves you with something to think about you know, what happened to shows like that? unlike today's show which only leaves you hanging.
    • boejangles, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2Meh, Ive come to be okay with it... i like having control over WHEN i see the videos now online, as opposed to mtv telling me what to watch.
    • JCizle, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I don't understand what people are complaining about anymore. When is the last time you sat down and watched a string of music videos anyway? I mean... really...

      You want to see a video. Look it up on Youtube or the other dozen+ video sites or... *gasp* the artists' website... if you are so desperate.

      MTV understands that playing just videos is the past. They are 'music influenced' culture television, which is broad as hell, but hey, again... how many of you are sitting in front of your television begging for the crap music videos they put out these days anyway? If you are so above the drivel MTV plays, shouldn't you... I don't know... be reading a book?
    • BradsOffice, on 06/26/2008, -0/+0Anybody remember the channel called The Box? It was all music videos but it had a phone line to call and request a video. MTV buried it.

      I miss being able to throw a channel like that on while working out or being out in the garage. I don't want to listen to mindless BS, I want music with a visual appeal going along with it.
      • griffrip78, on 06/26/2008, -0/+0I remember the box. I like to see new music videos and I dont always know when a new video comes out, so a channel like the Box would be nice to have. Its not a channel that you just sit and watch. you have it on in the background,
    • cowisgood, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4I remember The Box. It was awesome.
      But I could really care less whether or not MTV plays music videos, because it's all horrible music anyway.
    • asus2000, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1Here's a flashback for you:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAUMUSxAnW4
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxxOyGK1pMk
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVm3SmyMkFU
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxH39QlRuhg
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwqhhZnl8G4
  • zoransa, on 06/25/2008, -1/+14I remember once upon the time SKY was the TV with best music videos... MTV dominated long period of time and now it is garbage as somebody said "Gone are those beautiful days with tons of music videos every day every hour" Thumb up for that statemant
    • dimplemonkey, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I may be dating myself for saying this but I still remember staying up late to watch NBC's Friday Night Videos!
  • ivan423, on 06/25/2008, -5/+148It wasn't the Real World. It was the Other Crap.

    Music Videos started declining in 1985 when the Other Crap started inclining.
    • gbates31, on 06/26/2008, -0/+6for real. I loved watching music videos in the early morning and afternoons waiting for my Dad to take me to school and Real World: Boston when I was 13 or 14. It seemed like all they did way play music video after music video. Those were good times. That was 10 years ago. Now if you want music videos you practically need satellite to tune into MTV-8 or some *****. wtf?!?!
      • Shaidown, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Real World Boston sucked....

        too bad you are too young for the GOOD tv on MTV.... (when the only non-music was 9-12 at night

        OH...and at midnight 120 Minutes started
      • petebot, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1MTV 8--The Ocho!
    • PhrosTT, on 06/26/2008, -0/+45date my mom
      the ex effect
      neXt
      taildaters
      room raiders
      pimp my ride
      once upon a prom
      super sweet sixteen
      making the band 1-4
      8th & ocean
      bam's unholy union
      faking the video
      making menudo
      newlyweds
      rich girls
      tila tequila
      parental control
      taquita & kaui
      til death - karmen & dave
      trailer fabolous
      two a days
      that's amore
      dismissed
      that stupid karaoke show
      the high school pranks *****
      juvies....

      THAT killed MTV
      • MScrip, on 06/26/2008, -1/+13I often get nostalgic for music videos... I'm 31. I used to love coming home from school in the 90s and vegging in front of the TV watching a Soundgarden or Red Hot Chili Peppers music video.

        Now, I can watch music videos on Youtube, but I don't even wanna sit there and watch them. And the thought of sitting on the couch and watching 30 minutes of music videos just seems silly today. I rarely watch TV anyway.

        You'd think music videos would be even more popular today with Youtube... with the ability to see any video at any time... and the 3 minute attention span of most people. But the Internet has so many other things to look at. As more people got online, less people tuned in for videos. And that's when MTV decided to create "TV shows" to hold your attention for 30 minutes solid... instead of 3 minute videos.

        Be honest. If you turned on MTV today, and they were just playing music videos... would you sit there and watch them? Back then, it was cool, it's all there was. But now there is so much more to do. It's a different world. When was the last time someone said "Hey did you see the new _____ video?" Now it's, "Hey did you see cats on a treadmill?"

        MTV has to please its advertisers. And TV shows draw more of an audience than videos. Sad but true.
        • jp12380, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I agree with you, it was cool back then to watch music videos but now I have almost no interest in them. I like music a lot but I probably would not turn on mtv to watch music videos even if they did show them, it seems a lot of music video's are just random and don't really go a long with the song anyway.
        • PRMapleBar, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2"Now I can watch music videos on Youtube, but I don't even wanna sit there and watch them. And the thought of sitting on the couch and watching 30 minutes of music videos just seems silly today. I rarely watch TV anyway."

          In my opinion, I actually think that is part of growing up. While I do think that a TV network named Music TeleVision should actually play more music videos than not, realizing that watching a bunch of TV is a little counter-productive. I remember watching MTV when it was mostly music videos too. But now, I never watch MTV. I rarely watch TV in general. Although watching the Discovery channel can sometimes suck you in. Bastards get me every time.

          Anyway, I just think that MTV is filling a void for a specific demographic. Once that demographic gets older, MTV will change again and those people will be criticizing MTV just as much as we are. I still do love music. I just listen to it instead of watch it. I would rather listen to a song anyway to interpret my own meaning from the song, like reading the book vs. watching the movie. As for music videos on Youtube, I just search for ones I haven't seen in a long time.
      • dpcamp, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4don't forget
        True Life: I'm a Guido.
        • lordtyros, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3True Life is hilarious, though. Knock all the other *****, but that guido episode really opened my eyes. I had thought they were a joke. I didn't realize that some people actually lived their lives in such an idiotic manner. Kill everything, but LEAVE TRUE LIFE ALONE
      • sanj0hn, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1You forgot some... "Made", and others I can't recall.
      • moocow1452, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2You forgot The Hills and The Paper.

        Seriously, what High school are they shooting at?
    • ivan423, on 06/26/2008, -10/+4I wasn't going to mention it, but here it goes. The graph is a mockery to ridicule Diggers.

      There are no sources, so were did the data came from?

      The graph is very unprofessional. "Other Crap"? It was clearly done by some kid.

      What exactly does the Amount of Airtime represent? Is it hours per year? minutes? seconds?

      In 2005 how much airtime did Music Videos get? 1 hour? 100 hours? 1000 hours?

      And finally, The Real World didn't air until 1992.
      • dOOBiEx213, on 06/26/2008, -3/+8It's a joke based on reality douchebag. Please kill yourself.
        • ivan423, on 06/26/2008, -3/+2Are you angry because you were going to use the graph, and other information you gathered from Wikipedia for a research project?

          Go watch your MTV little girl.
      • dn11, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I can see you pushing your glasses back up to the bridge of your nose in red faced fury over the lack of accuracy and fact checking for a joke right now
        • ivan423, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2You didn't even know the graph wasn't real until I brought it up.

          Go read Wikipedia little girl.
        • dn11, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1"little girl" OH burn... "go read Wikipedia" from the guy critiquing a joke graph about MTV...
    • Llanowar, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2They should just go back to only showing music videos, and occasionally showing Beavis & Butthead, Daria and Celebirity Deathmatch.
    • dn11, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Except some of the "other crap" used to be half way interesting before it was all market researched, focused tested, corporate executive decreed advertisements for consumerism and product placement. Real World definitely ushered in the the era of of "abysmal crap - and probably inspired the whole reality TV trend that we have been forced to endure across the board for years now.
  • trevorleenc, on 06/26/2008, -3/+41pffft, I grew up on MTV back in the 80's, and when I wised up in the 90's, and realized MTV was no longer cool, but instead swapped it's own coolness for a better, "let's dictate" what's cool, I boycotted the network...boycott still on, though, I did catch a celebrity deathmatch one time at a friends, and was disappointed that I'd never watch an episode, being that a boycott must be 100%...
    • Nitesmoke, on 06/26/2008, -1/+58In the 80's and early 90's Mtv's basic demographic was males and females aged 19-29. Today that has changed to 11-18 year old females. Look at the crap they show now. "My Super Sweet 16" almost made me throw up the first time I saw it. As soon as I saw it I was trying to invent a way to reach into the television and slap a bitch. "But daddy, I wanted the RED Mercedes!!!" The worst part is, think about the thousands of young girls watching this ***** that now expect their poor parents to go bankrupt on their 16th birthday. I think shows like that are one of the reasons the world hates us. Say what you will about our current administration, but I'd rather go duck hunting with Cheney than go shopping with one of those spoiled bitches.
      • Glorydies, on 06/26/2008, -0/+16If I could have gave you two thumbs up I would have.
      • worldchanger, on 06/26/2008, -0/+6if I had twelve hands, every thumb would be up.
      • specialK16, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2What simply doesn't get into my head is how, how in the ***** world is Sweet 16 still on air. That show gives so much reasons to hate the world....What simply doesn't get into my head is how, how in the ***** world is Sweet 16 still on air. That show gives so much reasons to hate the world....
      • aenima987, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2At least if you go duck hunting with Cheney you can shoot him and run away.
      • davidg11, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2Do what I do. Have a boy for a child.

        Send the girls to orphanages.

    • seraph582, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2eh - Celebrity deathmatch is funny, buy not that classic, longlasting funny like Southpark or FamGuy
  • biggychong, on 06/26/2008, -3/+94The lowest common denominator rules
    Forget honesty
    Forget creativity
    The dumbest buy the mostest
    That's the name of the game

    M.T.V.-Get off the air!
    NOW

    DEAD KENNEDYS, "M.T.V.-Get Off The Air"
    • obsolite, on 06/26/2008, -0/+12Oh, Jello...
    • cmurdock, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I was just thinking about those lyrics when I read this. Glad to see someone else has heard that song.
    • elshizzo, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I hadn't heard of that song before, but those lyrics are exactly the truth.
    • sansavarous, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1Fun Fun Fun in the comfy chair
      Flame up the herb
      Wolf down the beer

      Hi I'm your video DJ I always talk like I'm wigged out on quaaludes
      I wear a satin baseball jacket everywhere I go

      My job is to help destroy
      What's left of your imagination
      By feeding you endless doses
      Of sugar-coated mindless garbage

      So don't create
      Be sedate
      Be a vegetable at home
      And thwack on that dial
      If we have our way even you will believe
      This is the future of rock and roll

      --More of the same, my favorite part.

      It's amazing that they knew this in 1985

  • JimmySpaza, on 06/26/2008, -20/+33I tuned in to watch the MTV "Rock the Vote" programs a few times. Found them to be predictably biased heavily towards the Democratic and leftist candidates. Turned it off for good after a few years. Never went back. Never regretted it.
    • MarkusGarvey, on 06/26/2008, -22/+12that's a dumb reason Jimmy...i find you predictably right wing biased and still read what you have to say...what does this have to do with politics anyway?...jeeze...
    • Truth3, on 06/26/2008, -30/+13Of course MTV is heavily Pro Democratic. Just look at some of the shows they have on. Tila Tequila just about sums it up. Pro gay, pro ghetto, pro sexual diseases, pro poor, pro whore, and pro choice (from the other topics I listed earlier).

      That's the democratic party for you. Everything a sane person tries to steer away from, I assume you are sane.
      • buddypriefert, on 06/26/2008, -13/+9Truth and Jimmy - good to see a fellow "I'll work hard for myself and carry my own weight" people.

        Too many libbies on Digg too.
        • kidathinnes, on 06/26/2008, -5/+3"I'll work hard for myself and carry my own weight"
          -and screw everybody else. me me me right boys?
      • bownasterm, on 06/26/2008, -8/+7That is the Truth, Truth.
        • kidathinnes, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2yeah I'm sure our moron president would agree
      • marjo9, on 06/26/2008, -3/+15hahahah pro poor??? yeah damn those poor people and their uhh non-rich ways?
      • CoMpUtErITGuY, on 06/26/2008, -1/+5Damn, and I thought you were talking about your mom.
      • kidathinnes, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2I don't really defend the Democratic Party because both parties are pretty messed up at this point, but I had to respond to your ignorant ramble. Pro poor and pro sexual disease. What in the ***** are you talking about. I would much rather be pro gay, pro poor (whatever the ***** that means), and pro choice than pro war, pro murder, pro corruption, anti constitution and pro hypocrisy. The republican party has ***** this nation so hard over for the past 7 1/2 years it almost beyond recognition. Look at the numbers:
        http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/0 ...

        How anybody can continue to bash the other side after what this party has done is beyond me.
        • ChronoMojo, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1And you think it's fair to consider EVERY conservative as pro-war, pro murder, pro corruption, anti constitution, and pro hypocrisy? I'm a conservative and against every single one of those things you listed.
        • kidathinnes, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I'm not talking about conservatives, I'm talking about the Republican Party. As you probably know, true conservationism is very far from what the Republican Party is today.
        • AgentBuckwald, on 07/20/2008, -0/+1How anybody can pick a party and not bash both of them after what these parties have done is way beyond me.
    • mhender, on 06/26/2008, -0/+10Well your problem from the beginning was tuning into MTV for something political.
  • edstate, on 06/26/2008, -0/+290My brother told me he had cancelled his subscription to cable because he caught his 12-year-old daughter watching MTV.. and I said "You did What? You Commie *****!" ...And he simply asked "have you seen it lately?"

    Well, I hadn't. So I did. I watched on and off for a couple of weeks... and I was beyond shocked. MTV is truly a horrible, horrible testimony to the upcoming failure of the human race.

    And that's being kind.
    • FrankDrebbin, on 06/26/2008, -0/+73It truly represents everything I hate about our culture wrapped up in hour long segments about people who threaten to bring the Apocalypse through sheer stupidity
    • houndeyex, on 06/26/2008, -0/+54Your brother is a hardcore dad. I'd call that a compliment.
    • RomanThommassen, on 06/26/2008, -16/+3FOX NEWS IS SATAN.
    • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -3/+38Yea, but she's missing out on the good cable now. Discovery, History, Comedy Central (between 11 and 12 pm)...
      • fxu1989, on 06/26/2008, -1/+10what's the internet for? (besides porn)

        He can download those......
        • Codwhy, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1yeah but then that hurts their revenue.

          he should just use a v chip or something of that nature to block mtv as well as other things he thinks are unfit
    • Ibox, on 06/26/2008, -1/+7I think reality TV is ***** anyhow... all these shows are probably the reason most of the world hates the U.S. ... it just shows a bunch of spoiled rotten bastards pissin and moaning over nothing.
      • specialK16, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2Part of the reaons, not the only or most important reason.
        • Codwhy, on 06/26/2008, -0/+4Honestly, besides Iraq and our meddling in everyones affairs, MTV is a HUGE reason why alot of the world dislikes the U.S. Especially Islamic countries.

          This past year i made a friend who grew up on a military base in Saudi Arabia. He explained to me that the only channel he saw regularly from American television was MTV, and that everyone literally thought Americans were just like the people on MTV.

          No *****..its scary
    • aquadoguk, on 06/26/2008, -7/+1You Commie *****?!
      Even with your ignorance, that's a bit of a misjudged statement..
    • coyote1284, on 06/26/2008, -4/+3Holy Crap! That's a little extreme when you can just block individual channels. That's like cutting off your arm because you don't like the mole on your hand.
    • paulvq, on 06/26/2008, -1/+12Dugg for good/responsible parenting.
    • SamboyLR, on 06/26/2008, -0/+8I have got to agree with you. I have no idea how this channel has completely turned to crap.

      I've always wanted to know one thing though:
      Who is the guy who comes up with it all? Who is the person who woke one day and thought, "I've got a brilliant idea. Why don't we hire some really bad actors, put them in reality, and not feature any music. This would be so AWESOME!"
      • Kdubbicles, on 06/26/2008, -3/+1his name is ryan seacrest. and he's gay.
    • cannonball, on 06/26/2008, -1/+4That is such a shame. I remember watching MTV all the time at that age. It introduced me to Smashing Pumpkins (they had the best videos), Radiohead, and even "indie" music like Pavement.
      • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2I'd ***** a kilo if MTV not only played a music video but it was some modern day equivalent to Pavement instead of one by T-Pane or whoever has the incessant-repeating-line song this week.
    • reddog093, on 06/26/2008, -3/+3Can't you just V-Chip/Parental Block the channel? Like rjc mentioned, Discovery, History and National Geographic have really matured in the past few years.
    • bjs3171, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2NEXT.

      'nuff said.
  • jcpcks, on 06/26/2008, -1/+208I think MTV destroyed MTV.
    • Raoulduke212, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Intelligence killed the video star
    • wedgemartin, on 06/26/2008, -0/+5I remember the birth of MTV. It was awesome. It was close to 24 hours of music videos, and it was a complete mix of genres. The last time I saw MTV on someone's idiot box it was about a year ago and it was on all day and night, and I saw nothing but rap. Nothing against rap, but what happened to the rest of the music genres?
      • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Rap AND Hip-Hop! We've got both kinds!

        1 mil internets to anyone who can place that reference...
  • MarkusGarvey, on 06/26/2008, -1/+37i watched MTV for a week straight when it started....now i have it blocked....
    • styx31989, on 06/26/2008, -7/+3you poor soul....
      Is it even possible to survive a week of MTV?
      • Syphon8, on 06/26/2008, -0/+15When it started. You know, all music videos?
        • specialK16, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Beavis and Butthead back in the 90s....

          So great... and I was like 8 back then lol.
        • PeppermintPig, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Or Liquid Television and Aeon Flux. 'Artistic' shows are the only ones besides music videos and genre specific music video shows that were even tolerable.

          When Mtv2 came out, I thought maybe they finally figured out what people wanted, but they screwed that up too. Morons run MTV.
  • LordSkywalker, on 06/26/2008, -2/+89MTV still exists? How do they get anyone with a pulse to watch?
    • georgemason01, on 06/26/2008, -0/+11Go to a mall and talk to random people, and it will soon become clear.
    • moush, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1My roommate was required to watch "The Hills" every time it came on.
  • CurlyFoot, on 06/26/2008, -8/+137I'm pretty sure it was Tila Tequila's doing
    • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Rubble rubble?
    • yohnstoppable, on 06/26/2008, -1/+3MTV sucked way before Tila came onto the scene. The fact they created MTV2 to actually who music videos, then ended up flooding THAT one with ***** reality tv speaks volumes about the idiots running it
    • bjs3171, on 06/26/2008, -1/+4hell no. Tila Tequila became popular like, what, 1 or 2 years ago? MTV has been unwatchable for atleast 7-10 years.

      7 years ago they atleast had TRL. The music tended to be awful, but atleast they played videos.
    • dmerc, on 06/26/2008, -0/+5Funny you should say that, I just watched Gremlins last night.
    • wsuBobby, on 06/26/2008, -1/+3TRL was watchable when it first came out. Simply because people voted on which music videos were played (Granted, most videos chosen were ***** but, at least they were music videos). TRL started going downhill when the videos chosen went from being full-length music videos to 5 second video clips - and the time that used to be videos was replaced with the typical MTV *****. The "No music videos on MTV" policy seemed to trickle down to EVERYTHING.

      Bring back the Music Videos *****.
  • Sucka27, on 06/26/2008, -4/+89BTW, VH1 is just as bad.
    • nox327, on 06/26/2008, -1/+16True,

      I watch VH1 when I wake up in the morning because of the music videos, but they ruin even that by always showing the same video spots. How much more of Leona Lewis can the people take.
    • nugz85, on 06/26/2008, -0/+9no, mtv has actually lowered themselves to below vh1 level. i never thought i would say that, but vh1 has been watchable at times over the last few years. i cant say that about mtv
    • Lukesed, on 06/26/2008, -1/+11The VH1 graph would have music videos declining while "TOP 50 CRAZY 80'S CELEBRITY RICH BAD MONTAGE" lists increased.
    • Glorydies, on 06/26/2008, -0/+10I can't say I don't agree, but however VH1 has some mildly entertaining documentaries about music every once in awhile. Or at least they used to I have to admit I don't watch cable any more.
    • sugarazor, on 06/26/2008, -0/+26VH1 was actually demolishing MTV in terms of quality towards the mid to late 90s, especially when Behind the Music hit it big. But in recent years, VH1 has turned into the place where all the MTV stars of today will go when they are washed up and need to show us what rock bottom truly is. In about ten years, I fully expect Tila Tequila to have a show on there where she's eating her own ***** for airtime.
      • Demolama, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3VH1 was pretty good until MTV bought them out and did the same thing with MTV and put more crap on than music. VH1 was the only place at one time to play some really good 80's stuff in the 90's since MTV had already dictated that anything 80's wasn't cool enough for their channel
        • specialK16, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I don't know, at least the VH1 we get here (Latin america) they put very good music.
        • sugarazor, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1VH1 has always been owned by Viacom - they've always been a sister station to MTV.
      • kcdstudios, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2...and pop up video, i love that show
        • rjc5056, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I'd love for pop up video to have a renaissance. Hell, at least a video is actually getting air time.
    • toxicityj, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1They weren't always though. Go back a few years before they changed their logo and they were really true to music. Most of what was on was music videos, music documentaries, etc. But then they started doing I Love the 80s (which I really enjoyed) and it slowly slipped into a pop culture channel that's now mostly 'reality' 'TV'
    • sghost, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Although the VH1 Classic Channel rocks.
    • ldailey06, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1VH1 is probably worse actually
    • MRdesigns, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Thats because MTV owns it.
  • WallnutBoy, on 06/26/2008, -0/+10Pff.. As if we needed any more proof.. -_-
  • bcool, on 06/26/2008, -9/+4I agree that mtv is *****, but I don't really care about music videos either. It's music people.
  • BeeArePro, on 06/26/2008, -24/+2Correction: MTV was NEVER good.
  • scarysnow, on 06/26/2008, -10/+3And those cheesy music videos they were playing before are considered quality programming?
  • CrackX, on 06/26/2008, -3/+10Seems to me like "other crap" is the one to blame, not real world. I do agree that Real World and MTV don't go together but the show was a brilliant idea.
    • mhender, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Was not a brilliant idea. It dumbs down everyone who watches it. Suddenly high school girls feel the need to have their life as exciting as this 'real' program. Drama and snobbery ensues.
      Other Crap is typically a spin off of the 'Real World' thus meaning Real World is, in fact, the one to blame.
      • dOOBiEx213, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Agreed. Shows like the Real World are what's wrong with our society. Through lousy editing, they are brainwashing the younger generation into believing that the only thing that matters is how "good" you look, and how often you get laid... when in reality, the people that are cast are simply looking for camera time, and adding the show to their resume. Just look at kid's myspaces, and you'll get an idea on how they think.
      • Shaidown, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1no,...the FIRST Real World...

        not the crap you watched in high school
  • theotheragentm, on 06/26/2008, -2/+79Video killed the radio star. Pay back's a bitch.
    • georgemason01, on 06/26/2008, -2/+14Radio sucks now too.
      • magstheaxe, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3And you can thank Clear Channel for that.

        But the good news is that Internet Radio is amazing!

        Pandora.com
        SomaFM
        LastFM
        Live365
        DI.fm

        ...the list goes on. The only broadcast radio I listen to these days is my local NPR news station. Every other radio station I listen to is online.
        • petebot, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Dugg for Pandora! That is my radio station at work. If anyone wants to check out my stations, my profile name is kulak.pete
      • MidnightRIder77, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Where I live radio is actually pretty good. With that being said I listen to classic rock and there are three classic rock stations. I can understand how the more modern rock that most diggers listen to could be on some pretty ***** stations seeing as how most 'hits' stations fail to pick a genre and end up playing soulja boy just before weezer. Basically most radio sucks because it's hit and miss. You've basically got a few good songs wrapped in a blanket of *****.
        • petebot, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Even classic rock stations end up playing the same songs and bands over and over and over.
    • bretwalda, on 06/26/2008, -0/+6Haha, Internet killed the video stars.
  • SEGA4life, on 06/26/2008, -0/+19I thought not playing "MUSIC" killed MTV ?
    • Memnochxx, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't care as much if every show they air now wasn't such a pile of crap.
  • Weezergames, on 06/26/2008, -3/+34It should be called rtv "Reality Television"
    • sugarazor, on 06/26/2008, -0/+10I fear for the world if what MTV puts on the air is considered "reality."
    • AWhiteSinner, on 06/26/2008, -0/+9TruTV is reality, MTV is scripted garbage.
    • MidnightRIder77, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3STV (***** Television)
  • samyoungguitar, on 06/26/2008, -5/+3no *****
  • NoMercy, on 06/26/2008, -1/+14i remember when mtv played music videos...good times
  • GeekMommy, on 06/26/2008, -0/+10It was whomever at MTV said "Music TV? That's why we have radios. Let's try reality TV programming! If we tell teenagers it's cool, they'll believe it"
  • graemedeacon, on 06/26/2008, -5/+6Someone needs to put units on the vertical axis or this graph is just nonsense.
    • feliks2, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Im pretty sure each line is one hour, but then they got mtv2 because they wanted to show more *****, thats why it looks like it doesnt make sense. I think.
    • Tevediggs, on 06/26/2008, -0/+0I assumed the graph has no statistical basis, just showing the opinion that MTV killed itself with everything other than music and is now the guiding light for moron teens trying to conform and find out what's cool.
  • Fangsinmybeard, on 06/26/2008, -0/+24Music TV, a dead and bloated piece of corporate Real ality *****, that will maintain a slavemaster mentality until the Internet crushes it like stepping on a turd.
  • thenameisfinger, on 06/26/2008, -1/+8The graph only shows a correlation between "other crap's" rise and the decline of videos.
    • NecroSexy, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3The graph ironically matched the standards of MTV.
  • dojonz, on 06/26/2008, -3/+51Reality killed the video star.
    • cmsjustin, on 06/26/2008, -2/+1The internet killed the video star
  • twiztidsinz, on 06/26/2008, -0/+12I remember, post beavis and butthead, recording VHS 'mix-tapes' off MTV and swapping them with friends because it got really hard to be able to watch music vids when you wanted to watch them.
  • Crossmenjeff, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2well you would need to include viewership in order to say it killed it, if viewership has gone up with the addition of even more "other crap" then mtv is fully justified in showing tila tequila and other nonsense because it brings them more money. and one day, they may even be the pioneer of "ow my balls" from the movie idiocracy, but i have a feeling they were already thanks to jack@ss.
    • damntourists, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1as viewership goes up, the national iq level of those viewers goes down. seriously, tila tequila? wtf.
  • farsi, on 06/26/2008, -4/+36this graph is trash. it doesn't say anything.
  • obsolite, on 06/26/2008, -10/+4Why exactly was MTV seen as this sacred cow of TV channels for the longest time? The music industry is significantly more stratified than it was in the 80's and there is absolutely no way to please everyone's musical taste. Thereby it only makes good marketing sense to only play music occasionally. MTV has always been a lifestyle channel; "The MTV Generation". MTV has made note of this by marketing their program toward the hip, fashionable lifestyle while remaining as accessible toward the majority as possible. As much as I would love it, there will never be a Queens of the Stone Age hour on MTV and there'll never be Rock The Vote hosted by Trent Reznor, because they're not trying to sell rock anymore. Now, we're just selling rockstars. It sucks but the problem doesn't begin with the channel. It begins with the audience. Not that you wouldn't just listen to your iPod anyway...
  • Nappuccino, on 06/26/2008, -6/+9The real word destroyed ALL tv.
  • Todamont, on 06/26/2008, -9/+2MTV is a maniac, MANIAC on the floor
    She shakes it like a polaroid picture
    She has forgotten to fight for her right to party, however.
    NO! We're not gonna take it anymore.
    • zombietuba, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3You should have deleted this comment when you still had the chance.
  • zosoIV, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2This website is user-made content. It's not a true collection of data.
    I think its about as accurate as you can get.
    • obsolite, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Considering the y axis isn't even defined, I would say it's accuracy is about as strong as it's presentation.

      "Other Crap" How scientific. I look forward to other charts from this author, like "Proof boys are better than girls" and "Proof that Obama is a descendant of Jesus"
  • transitive, on 06/26/2008, -2/+9video killed the radio star....
    ...and Flavor of Love 3 killed the video star
  • Ryan166, on 06/26/2008, -6/+5What is *****? MTV's programming? This god-awful graph? or people complaining about MTV's programming for the last 20 years?
    • Modestexcuse, on 06/26/2008, -2/+3Agreed. It has evolved into what its majority viewers want to see. Plain and simple.
      • WoollyMittens, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Yeah and the majority voted our freedoms away. Is that a good thing too?
  • ChinezePanda, on 06/26/2008, -6/+86I blocked "A shot at love with Tila Tequila"

    My girl would not stop watching it and it has since polluted my TiVo...

    Not to mention such filth should not be displayed on a 60inch 1080p Samsung.

    Next season: "A shot at love: I have hepetitis"
  • c0nrad, on 06/26/2008, -5/+39making fun of MTV is so 90's
    • nugz85, on 06/26/2008, -4/+1not early 90s
      • nugz85, on 06/27/2008, -0/+0oh come on, mtv was still loved back in the early 90s, bevis and butthead, real world, nirvana... u cant disagree with me.
  • Inflammo, on 06/26/2008, -1/+14And here I thought MTV almost destroyed the real world.
  • Rkstar, on 06/26/2008, -3/+9So, does anyone else recognize this chart as mathematically impossible?
    • feliks2, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2mtv2
    • damntourists, on 06/27/2008, -0/+2how so? the chart doesn't even have a labeled y-axis. i think it's more for laughs, but it's a pretty good theory too, based off of observation.
  • FreeTalkLIve, on 06/26/2008, -3/+26MTV was the cats ass in the 80's.

  • bizkit00, on 06/26/2008, -6/+0"Can you to better? Make your own."
    Sweet site
  • Rangeol, on 06/26/2008, -4/+3Its obvious that MTV has been sub par for years. Why wait for them to go back to their roots? Why not start another real music video channel...
  • jackbauer007, on 06/26/2008, -2/+33the blue line also represents the IQ levels of MTV's viewers over the years
  • gamben0, on 06/26/2008, -11/+2No one watches MTV, and I bet none of you have Myspace accounts either.
    • TehSwordMan, on 06/26/2008, -1/+4Thats because Myspace sucks
    • gosselmeyer, on 06/26/2008, -6/+0I'm on Myspace and I've fun there. :)
      http://www.myspace.com/hubert_gosselmeyer
      • PeppermintPig, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Good for you. Why should anybody care now...?
    • Syphon8, on 06/26/2008, -1/+5I also have it blocked on my computer so my friends can't go there.
      • azimir, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Merely on your computer?

        I set the domain (and its affiliates) to localhost on my DNS server. Anyone using my hard line network or open wireless node can't even get there.

        Why? I got really tired of the occasional site trying to open their MySpace page via a popup, rollover or first body-click. Now I just let them.
        • Syphon8, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Well it's actually my router, but I never use the other computers.
        • vibrate, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1you show em azimir
        • damntourists, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1i'd like to dissable myspace for my school. nothing annoys me more than walking into the library so I can finish my calculus homework, while 18 people huddled around the computer area multitasking myspace and their essay that was due 2 hours ago.
      • PeppermintPig, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Do you use iptables to redirect them somewhere else?
    • PeppermintPig, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1LOL, I think you hit a nerve. Hilarious gamben0!
  • gamben0, on 06/26/2008, -9/+2No one watches MTV, and I bet none of you have Myspace accounts either.
  • parallax7d, on 06/26/2008, -2/+9Correlation ≠ Causation
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