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Tim Kring to Heroes fans, "Sorry it's sucked so far this season"

ew.com — Tim Kring, creator of Heroes, told EW recently that he and his team are aware that the second season has been less than spectacular. He outlines some things that they are going to fix after the writer's strike and going into Volume 3. Such things as the BS love stories of Claire and Hiro, too much feudal Japan and more.

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  • bacchus101, on 11/09/2007, -2/+83A possible December 3 Season Finale? The strike is really hitting home now!
    • Zezza, on 11/08/2007, -3/+20Yup, heroes is one of the only tv shows i really follow, and i have to say i was damn pissed when i found out about it, but i suppose a good next 4 episodes would be better than a drawn out 14? Maybe.. just maybe.
    • JettaMan, on 11/09/2007, -6/+27I wasn't even impressed with the last season. It had a real lame ending that made no sense.
      • KMye, on 11/13/2007, -4/+41I was hooked for the whole season, but the finale was an atrocity.
        • rompom7, on 11/08/2007, -2/+6I was hooked until episode 13 of season 1... After that it started going down hill.
        • thatsmyaibo, on 11/09/2007, -0/+16Couldn't agree more. The whole season kept building up to something that never really happened. They even contradicted their ending by bringing everyone back this season. This show could have been so good but they turned it into a Lifetime channel version of XMen.
      • Dysarthria, on 11/08/2007, -1/+8What even more awful than last years "finale" is that were on hour #8 of this season and we still don't know what happened. This season has been an abomination.
      • jgreene777, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2People are such instant-gratification hogs. Do you get two chapters into a book and start wondering when the author is going to wrap it up? To build a good ending, sometimes the first several chapters have to lead you on a chase away from the plot... it's a literary device called "suspense".
        • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I've just started losing interest in the show. The first season was great, then the finale sucked, which hurt the show for me because I couldn't count any any future payoffs. This season has just be uninteresting overall. Nothing real great, I like the Sylar storyline a little, but thought pretty much every other character was given a lame story.

          I'm also not even that interested in the plague storyline, though I will admit I am slightly more interested than I was a few episodes ago. If it doesn't turn around quick I might just plain stop watching which is sad since it was one of my favorite shows towards the end of last season.
    • clearwaterlab, on 11/08/2007, -3/+3What do you mean "now"? It's hit hard for a while now, just the average joe has tried to ignore it up to now.
      • saifatlast, on 11/08/2007, -0/+9What are you talking about? The strike has been on for 3 days, this isn't besieged London in 1940 or something.
  • HOTM, on 11/09/2007, -1/+178Its starting to pick up, but at least he accepts it started terribly.

    And the feudal japan thing seems to actually have a huge part of the story. It probably could have be done MUCH quicker then they have done it, but the ending of it was really intresting.
    • norman619, on 11/08/2007, -1/+13Yeah but the long road to the pay off make that pay off less than what it should have been. At some points it felt more like Smallville or Dawson's Creek. It also felt liek they made some of the character incredibly stupid just to draw things out.
    • BlackJackJester, on 11/08/2007, -10/+4------SPOILERS-------


      I personally think it would have been an even better cliffhanger if the guy who played Kensei showed up at the end, if the episode ended before he said his name was Adam. This would have left me with more of a "Oh god what the crap is he doing here" feeling, rather than a "Oh, is this another peter-type guy?"
      • kidcodea, on 11/08/2007, -7/+16sorry it was obvious he was adam even before he told his name. thats the whole purpose of the fukin story going back 400 years or whatever the number is. to explain the root of evil. a broken heart.
        • Fizban140, on 11/08/2007, -10/+17What the hell? It wasn't obvious at all.
        • outhouseinput, on 11/08/2007, -3/+16Yea dude, it wasn't obvious. You might say something like "midly predictable," but not obvious.
          • RoroCo, on 11/08/2007, -1/+14It was pretty predictable... Just like Hiro ultimately becoming Kensei. Just like the season finale which is going to have Hiro convert Adam back to a good guy (predicting... not spoiler). They really need to work on subtle foreshadowing and character development.
        • Abaddon1125, on 11/08/2007, -0/+9No, it was pretty obvious. Once they started going on about the mysterious Adam character I knew right away it was going to be him. It's not that big of a leap.
        • heynoop, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3wasn't predictable to me :(
          im glad it wasn't though, it was a huge OMG moment when they introduced him
      • Zipp425, on 11/09/2007, -0/+14BlackJackJester...

        Adam isn't like Peter. Adam can only regenerate, but because he can't die, he has been around forever.
        • Neiby, on 11/08/2007, -6/+9And now Peter can't die because he's been near Adam.
          • RoroCo, on 11/08/2007, -1/+21Peter already learned Claire's power.... So he was already indestructible.
        • explorerdora07, on 11/08/2007, -6/+1HOLY CRAP you're right i hadn't even thought of that!
        • Metis2be, on 11/08/2007, -1/+4I thought at first that he piggybacked on hiro somehow, guess not. I can't stand the thought of someone living forever because eventually the world is going to be hit by a giant rock, which would leave the person floating around space without air for thousands of years. Imagine taking a millennium to suffocate, not a fun concept. Poor Claire and Peter.
        • zwaldowski, on 11/08/2007, -0/+8@Metis2be: Flawed theory alert. It's cell regeneration; they need oxygen to survive at all.
        • ricree, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3@ Metis2be

          Remember the episode where Claire had the branch through her skull? It would probably work out like that, where he would effectively be dead as long as the conditions weren't good enough for his return. Also, the writers have said that Claire would die if Sylar got to her, so presumably there are things he could die from. (Although it is tough to see how this fits with surviving that huge explosion).
          • Sundyr, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1The explosion wasn't enough to dismember him. They can survive shock-wave trauma and burning from a normal explosion, but one has to presume that if Claire or Adam (or now Peter) was decapitated and then cremated or something, they would be gone for good.
      • phlux, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4The only thing I cannot stand is the irish love story - first, peters acting is HORRENDEOUS in the love scenes - second that irish chick is hideous
        • brufleth, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1All the love stories are pretty terrible. Claire met some flying dude and of course they have to be romantically involved. Couldn't they just be friends? Peter meets some Irish chick, mind you he doesn't remember ANY other women, and of course they have to be romantically involved. Hiro goes back in time and does some stuff and of course the sword-smith's daughter falls in love with him. The love stories are all painfully one dimensional. Even for comics. Hiro's exploits have been as bad as commercial breaks.
    • Dysarthria, on 11/08/2007, -11/+7HOTM, I think the ship has sailed on Heroes, and this is just damage control.

      Two points: First, I'd like to say "EAT IT" to the fan-boys who were all over digg screaming like babies whenever someone wrote their precious show sucks this year. Your God has spoken, and he thinks it sucks too.

      Second, for the first time since Batman in the 1960's, there was a prime-time show about superheroes that was in the top 10 with a huge following going into its sophomore season; and Kring utterly blew it. He can apologize all he wants, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he and his crew produced 7 episodes so far and essentially pissed away 7 hours of prime-time TV as well as a big chunk of viewers. The bloom is off the rose, the show is off the tracks.

      Whats worse is he can't do a thing about it. He's handcuffed to the 11 episodes written so far, and can't change them due to the strike; and he's also crying that he can't do a thing about it until next year. If the strike ends tomorrow, that means we wait until Feb 2008 for a new direction, if it lasts 6 months like it did in 1988, we're talking about no new episodes until this time next year. Frankly, a year is too long to wait for a show that has gotten this lame (#30 and sliding). It will be deleted of off Tivo's over the holidays and maybe never come back. You blew it Tim, and this 11th hour apology should never have happened.
    • heynoop, on 11/08/2007, -3/+2I feel the feudal japan thing was very critical in introducing Adam...I'm glad they spent so much time on it really.
      • TypeEE, on 11/08/2007, -1/+35eps is not too much? How about one whole season of spin off for Hiro to hang out in different time?
    • Sven333, on 11/09/2007, -1/+0Buried for mentioning Dawson's Creek. No show (regardless how poorly written) will ever come close to the cheesy acting and inferior writing in that media bomb. Just let it die. *whispering* Let Dawson's Creek die... save the world.
  • jglaser, on 11/12/2007, -1/+116He is right on the money about what has been wrong with Heroes so far. I'm glad Kring recognizes it and aims to fix it.
    • Neiby, on 11/09/2007, -3/+15Yep, he nailed it. And I pray that Monica is one of the characters who doesn't make it into the next volume. The actress that plays that character is awful. Just seeing her attempt to act makes me want to not watch the show. This most recent episode was the best this season, for a lot of reasons, one of which was that it never once showed Monica.
      • kidcodea, on 11/09/2007, -2/+15that's weird. i got exact oposite vibes. i really liked her acting. in fact i even highlighted in comments...weird, but i respect opinions
        • Neiby, on 11/08/2007, -5/+2I guess I have the viewpoint of age on my side. heh heh.... She's a ***** actor. She would have been great on The Facts of Life or some other schlock like that.
      • dylio, on 11/08/2007, -0/+10Monica, in my opinion, is one of the best [new] characters so far. I believe Beeman said that we'll see her go somewhere the rest of the heroes aren't event thinking about. Can we say "real superhero" yet?
        • Neiby, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7Her character would be very interesting if it weren't for the horrible actress playing the part. She completely ruins it. Her acting is so bad that I'm surprised she even has a job doing it professionally.
          • dylio, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3The only down part I could find on her part was her 'off' accent. However; I think it's too early to say whether or not she's fitting the role or not.
          • charbo187, on 11/08/2007, -0/+6it's not that shes a bad actress it's just that her "nawlins" accent is soooo phony.
      • b-dizzle, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4I agree. It's a shame, too, because I think her character and her power are both pretty cool, she just doesn't pull it off that well.
    • dylio, on 11/08/2007, -6/+1digg down
    • LimeParrot, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1Yep. It takes courage to admit to your mistakes. Hopefully it will produce results.
    • staticneuron, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1"''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us,'' says Kring of the love stories starring Claire and Hiro"

      Actually some of the best super hero stories I can think off includes some great romance stories, they were just executed better.
  • defectDS, on 11/12/2007, -6/+167This monday's episode really got me interested in the show again. My jaw was dropped for half of the episode.
    • PedleZelnip, on 11/08/2007, -1/+20Me too, I never would've predicted that ending that revealed who "Adam" was.
      • blankoboy, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4I think Hiro will have the same reaction upon seeing him (if the show makes it that far).
    • rmeddy, on 11/08/2007, -11/+3*SPOILER* Yeah I love how they revealed Takezo kensei as Adam, to me that was awesome.
      • warplayer, on 11/09/2007, -5/+3I sort of felt like they missed out on a REALLY big reveal. I mean, we only gained knowledge of Adam's existence about 10 minutes before finding out who he really is. If we knew for at least a full episode or so that Matt's dad was under Adam's influence, it would have been a HUGE reveal to show Adam is Kensei.

        Just my opinion tho...
    • Mo0man, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5I hope you realize that there was a reason why Pedle was ambiguous about who Adam actually was
    • Dysarthria, on 11/08/2007, -3/+5Of course, you know next week is a "flashback" episode that finally tells us what the hell happened after the finale? So we have a total of 3 episodes to advacne this episode to the de-facto season finale in December.

      How sad that a show that was quite good early last season became so bogged down so quickly. The finale was terrible, and much of the second half of last season was an afterthought.
      • sabach, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2I agree, it felt like they didn't expect the show to go past the middle of last season and had to throw something together. Despite that it picked up momentum. The season finale was too predictable, I thought of Nathan saving the day well before it actually happened. They're severely dropping the ball so far in season 2.
    • ChimpFlix, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3So apparently Adam is an immortal?
      • Cl1mh4224rd, on 11/09/2007, -0/+5> "So apparently Adam is an immortal?"

        That, or there's more time travel involved, with Peter's help. I'm leaning toward the immortal slant, seeing as how Bob comments that Adam thinks of himself as a god.
        • OHiggins, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4if your cells can regenerate that fast, it stands to reason they'd stand up to the test of time.
        • ricree, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2Also, he looks the same as he did in ancient Japan, despite being the one to organize the original group. He would have at least aged a couple decades since then, so I'm betting that his power provides a sort of immortality.
      • chellemonkey, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1But he doesn't seemed to have aged any...will Claire always look like a teenager(obviously not because the actress will get older but stilll)?
      • kinseyincanada, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2he is either immortal or just ages very very slowly, just like wolverine in x-men.
      • Jugalator, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1I was wondering if he was like Peter and acquired others abilities. That he had got the healing before, and the time travel from Hiro, and time travelled out of there in time without Hiro's knowledge. Really, all he needs is that one ability -- to acquire others. It would explain the lack of aging at least, and make sense from a yin-yang perspective too, that he's an anti-Peter. :)
    • drizzlelicious, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1I was about to say, that episode was simply amazing. My brain exploded during the Adam scene
    • philberttheduck, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1The Adam shock effect really brought back memories of season 1.
    • Nick519, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1the first season was a slow starter, too, but then it picked right up with "save the cheerleader, save the world". this season looks to be following the same pattern. my jaw dropped starting LAST week, when horn-rimmed glassed guy iced his russian mentor without even flinching. this week continued the ride. whoohoo, GO HEROES, GO!!!
  • Lindane, on 11/09/2007, -70/+10What the ***** is Heroes?
    • Ramble, on 11/08/2007, -20/+5Some lying reality show about a bunch of people with superpowers I think.
      • norman619, on 11/08/2007, -13/+4Super angst actually. Think Dawson's Creek with mutants. Oh wait that's Smallville. NEVERMIND!!!!
      • CCoe, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2No.
      • heynoop, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2nice troll, Ramble
    • arbulus, on 11/08/2007, -0/+15If you don't know what it is, maybe you shouldn't be in this thread.
      • fnaqzna, on 11/08/2007, -13/+2...and you'll be better off.

        Not knowing about Heroes is a good thing.
    • Muncher, on 11/08/2007, -0/+6You're quoting Tarantino, right?
  • Easty, on 11/09/2007, -1/+82How often will you hear this? Kudos to Kring.
    The latest episode finally got me relatively excited.
    • Kardall, on 11/08/2007, -1/+7Yes, for those who are just getting into it, and only saw last mondays ep... go buy Season 1 on DVD, it's well worth it. Last episodes (well the last half of it) really is an example of what season is like throughout.
      • dephrye, on 11/08/2007, -8/+2Wait wait wait! You're telling me that there's a popular show on network television with DVD's?!?!? I had no idea, thanks for your useful information.
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I'm not too impressed. At the start of the season Kring said he realized that the finale was crappy, and how they were going to give the fans what they want. Now he says he realizes season 2 is crappy and will give the fans what they want. Until the show turns around I'm not buying it
  • abaddon, on 11/08/2007, -4/+17i just hope it dosen't get hit with the cancel stick before they can make it great again. or at lest answer all the questions
    • kidcodea, on 11/08/2007, -5/+6are u insane? cancel heroes? do u even check the torrents tops :)
      • Cl1mh4224rd, on 11/09/2007, -4/+7Yeah, because whether a TV show lives or dies is completely based on the number of "illegal" downloads it garners. Wow...
    • p0ss, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2man i'd like one of those cancel sticks to flick
      • Jargonaut06, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2I wish I had a cancel-uzi - there's too many crappy shows to use just a stick!
  • naonao, on 11/08/2007, -8/+38It's great to see that the creators of Heroes actually aim to fix the problems in their series such as certain story arcs dragging on too long. If only the Lost creators would take a leaf out of their book.
    • thezettabytes, on 11/08/2007, -1/+17Do you mean Lost writers should start ripping rip off X-Men Legacy virus?
    • asdfuiop, on 11/08/2007, -3/+3I would say Lost Season 3, at least after the hiatus. was more 'weird' than straight up 'bad'. They created way to many questions without nearly enough answers.
      • asdfuiop, on 11/08/2007, -1/+4*too many questions
        ...yeah I'm that anal
    • Myonosken, on 11/08/2007, -7/+2Lost is still around? I'm not kidding, I've heard nothing since Sky tried to advertise they'd bought Season 3. After that, I don't know anyone who's followed.
    • Prathik89, on 11/08/2007, -11/+2Lost > Heroes. I'm sorry, I like Heroes and all, but Lost is just way to cool.
    • Dysarthria, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3Here's to TIm and the gang fixing the series....sometime next year.

      They blew it big time, and with the strike they may not get a chance to recover.
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Lost is an entirely different monster. Take it or leave it Lost is building one large unified story. Heroes is much more akin to comic books, with smaller arcs that are largely unimportant. Beyond character introductions, someone could have picked up at season 2 fairly well.

      I for one love Lost considerably more than Heroes, but you need a lot more commitment to follow Lost. Lost will not be resolved for 3 more seasons, expecting anything different is stupid. Heroes isn't like that. The story line that exists now will be resolved at most at the end of the season, until the next uninteresting story arc comes up. Or until they introduce new characters that are only loosely tied to the other characters (who themselves are only loosely tied together)
  • cusoman, on 11/08/2007, -1/+24I agree it has sucked as well.... until the last episode. The last one really hit home for me and made me excited for next week's revelations, so I say give it time and things will iron out and be good again. The best stories start out slow and then have you gasping for more before it's all said and done. I believe in the writers.
  • Makaveli604, on 11/08/2007, -3/+28Except for the final scene of the newest episode, it has been rather lackluster.
  • smiths37, on 11/11/2007, -3/+28The last minute of this week's episode was amazing. I cannot wait until next Monday!
    • Jugalator, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1That could sound pretty silly to an outsider -- "yeah so, just the last minute?"

      But something to keep in mind is that large parts of the former episodes have built up to exactly the reason for why that ending was so interesting.
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Yup, the last episode was by far the best of the season, with the last bit being the best. They spent WAY too much time in japan, and have WAY to many characters. There are a lot of story lines going to service all the characters, and as a result a lot of them suck, and it's way too loosely connected for me to get a huge interested in more than a one or two of them at any given time.
  • toxoplasmotic, on 11/08/2007, -11/+1So it's NOT canceled?
    • norman619, on 11/08/2007, -4/+5Well given that they are reshooting episode 11 as a season finale I'd say that's a good possibility.
      • starf, on 11/08/2007, -1/+11That doesn't mean that it's canceled. It'll just be a short season with the show probably returning after the strike finishes.
        • Myonosken, on 11/08/2007, -3/+1I still always chuckle when US series with 11 episodes are called short. 11 over here is ***** long.
      • Neiby, on 11/08/2007, -1/+2Ending the season early is not the same as canceled.
  • tikistyle, on 11/13/2007, -0/+47I must say, i felt the same weaknesses but couldn't put my finger on it. I'm a diehard Heroes fan, and i felt like i was slipping. This up-front communication from the creator does worlds of good to solidify my fanship. I'm on for the ride and now i know i won't be disappointed! Now if only more shows would do this...
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1The reason I don't buy this is Kring did the exact same thing at the start of the season. Saying he heard fans complaining about the Finale and he understood it. But so far (except for maybe last episode), season 2 has picked up sucking just where the finale left off.
  • bottleguy, on 11/08/2007, -11/+5Heroes' problems are way more than what was described in that article. Not only is it slow, but it's also redundant. Why do we have another 'boogey-man' type character (see:SYLAR season1), and another character that can fly (just like Nathan can/could). Its like a total rehash albeit less interesting.

    • cusoman, on 11/08/2007, -1/+14There's a lot of redundant powers, and I think there's a good reason for that, that will be revealed in time.
      • norman619, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5But.... THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!
        • BlackJackJester, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5Technically, Sylar had the Highlander power, but he got dominated.
      • dagamer34, on 11/08/2007, -1/+3Because some of them are related? And "absorbing powers" and "absorbing power by eating their brains" are slightly different....
        • 15thPD, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3There has been no hard proof that Sylar actually ingests the brains.
          • ShosuroYuu, on 11/09/2007, -0/+7If I remember correctly, he is able to see how things work (like with the watches) and is able to figure out how their powers work by inspecting their brains(or something).
            That's my best guess.
    • Neiby, on 11/08/2007, -1/+7bottleguy, you're right. We're also rehashing Claire in high school and she's acting like all the crap she went through in the first season never happened. And the "ultimate doom" that we're facing now really seems too much like the first season. It's not the same, but it has the same feel to it. I was hoping for something more different.

      Regardless, I like the show and I'm excited to see where it goes from here.
    • positron, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1Snatch the cheerleader, save the world...
    • darksyde, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2Well, there is only one way for this series to go and that's repeating itself over and over again with slight differences along the way.

      Saw the ending of this last episode about a mile away....
  • DvidY, on 11/08/2007, -1/+21its great that he listens to the fans and knows what to fix!
  • Krakn3Dfx, on 11/11/2007, -4/+125Please just drop a giant anvil on the Mexican Wonder Twins and be done with them.
    Really, there need be no real explanation, if you do this thing for me, I will just smile and be happy.
    "Giant anvil dropped out of the sky and killed both of them. Sweet, there's Hiro!"
    • cutechimp, on 11/11/2007, -1/+20they are not even mexican.
      • Mo0man, on 11/08/2007, -2/+4Aren't they? I thought the whole story was that they wanted to go from mexico to the US
        • ggacid, on 11/08/2007, -0/+19If I remember correctly they're from Honduras or Venezuela and traveling through Mexico trying to get to the US.. I dunno! But dropping a giant Anvil on the South American Wonder Twins sounds like a ***** great idea!
    • mrch0mp3rs, on 11/09/2007, -4/+12"Giant anvil dropped out of the sky and killed both of them. Sweet, there's Hiro!"

      dude, for some reason that just made me snort out my Mr. Pibb. Digg to you, sir.
      • evi1, on 11/09/2007, -2/+10Dugg down for Mr. Pibb. Dr. Pepper for life.
    • mltvcocktail, on 11/11/2007, -1/+17I know Lost should take a cue from Heroes but Heroes should take one cue from Lost and kill off Maya and Alejandro just like Lost killed of Nikki and Paulo.
    • iakupo, on 11/11/2007, -1/+8Have you ever thought that maybe the killer virus was from them and NOT from the Nicky strain?
      They might be integral.
      • jonshipman, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3oh right, I bet that's the way the niki strand gets into the general public. She catches the virus, cries and the virus is then mutated and goes into normal humans around her.
      • wishmechaos, on 11/11/2007, -1/+0In the future, they called it 'the Shanti virus'... hm... I wonder why...
      • epiccollision, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1that doesn't make any sense...they're not sick...they have a strange power...which they think is a sickness...see what they did there...***** i wish life came with cilff/coles notes for the oblivious
    • SwampFox012, on 11/11/2007, -1/+3Nah, I actually kinda like that subplot. I enjoy the way Sylar is tempted by the amazing powers that the women can offer but can't have them. I do think they should tie them in more to the main plot though....
    • zwaldowski, on 11/08/2007, -2/+5What is their power, even? Dripping mascara from their eyes?
      • joegibes, on 11/08/2007, -0/+8The chick kills people and her brother... doesn't kill people.
      • Sven333, on 11/08/2007, -0/+0Maybe it's Maybelene. Actually I think it's the black alien sludge from the X-files. That stuff shows up everywhere. It's even made it's way into Spiderman 3. Must be a cheap special effect since it's so prominent. Whatever it is, it's not a super power, and neither Maya nor her mascara-absorbing brother are heroes. Makes me wish they had been sniped for even getting close to the border. Absorb that Alejandro.
    • wpvoll, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2OMG the funniest thing I've read in a long time, but so true. I almost ( like mrchopmers) blew my dinner out my nose).
    • charbo187, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5i see both of them as carriers of the disease and if sylar gets both of their powers he would be the only one who could cause and cure the disease. i see the brother "alejandro" as the being the cure when they finally meet suresh.
      • epiccollision, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1what disease?...the company has the disease and just unleashed it through the ali carter character...
  • synned, on 11/08/2007, -2/+14Monday was awesome...it had the vibe of the first season. The rest of the show was just blah...
    Prison Break is starting to get pretty good as well...
    • indecks, on 11/09/2007, -4/+40Prisonbreak is a joke. "Lets break out of prison... we did it! now we're in another prison! lets break out... wowee! another prison!"

      Lame.
      • brainboy77, on 11/08/2007, -2/+6even so, the writers made it flow pretty well. you're hooked onto it because of all the suspense. you should seriously watch the show.
      • thezettabytes, on 11/08/2007, -0/+17Well, the same can be said about Heroes. Season 1: Oh *****!!I saw Nuclear Bomb go off in the future!! We have to save the world and we need the cheerleader. Season 2: Oh *****!! I saw there is a mega virus in the future!! We have to save the world and we need the cheerleader.
        • jonshipman, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1who knows, they might change it up and use Adam
      • skyfire1, on 11/08/2007, -8/+1They better end the series at Season 3.
      • IllBeBack, on 11/08/2007, -2/+3As long as the story is as good as it is for "Prison Break," I will remain a viewer. Your comment is akin to people saying about "Titanic" that the boat sank and so what's the point of watching the movie? Yeah, the boat does sink, but there's a really good story to be told before the ***** goes down.
      • clockb0x, on 11/08/2007, -1/+6Your comment prompted me to make my very first Digg comment ever. In my opinion, Prison Break is the best show on tv! If you haven't seen it, there's a lot more to it than just breaking out of prison. In fact, the whole second season had pretty much nothing to do with the prison and was about them trying to out a conspiracy that went all the way to the President. Basically, if you enjoy a lot of suspense and shows with lots of characters to follow, you'll like Prison Break.
  • jostheller, on 11/08/2007, -2/+28I am probably slower then most... however I didn't see the Adam twist until it happened. It made the entire season become worth it. Very cool how such a non-important part of season 1 became such a focus on season 2. Very exciting... can't wait till Hiro finds out how much damage was caused...
    • kidcodea, on 11/08/2007, -8/+8it was so fukin obvious...
    • fani, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5It was VERY OBVIOUS ! Why else would they have Takezo Kensei storyline take 6 episodes.
      Also, can't Hiro just go back and warn himself from 4 months ago to not interfere. ( Kinda how future Hiro talked to Peter in the subway train with the famous "Save the cheerleader, save the world" speech. Hiro being a time traveller is a bad thing as he can change/undo anything now.
      • nosecohn, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5This is a problem with time-travel as a driving force in any story. If you use it once, and easily, then it's logical to assume that you could use it again. If Hiro had gone back to feudal Japan and said, "OK, this is the 15th time I've done this, and damn it, I'm gonna get it right this time!" I would have bought it. The actual plot points that needed to be accomplished could have been done in one episode.

        Oddly, the only movie/TV show that comes to mind which handles this time-travel problem well is Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Any time they run up against a hurdle, they just say, "Dude, remind me later to go back in time and fix that." Fantastic.
        • Chicken2nite, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1If you were to go back in time to a time when you had already gone back in time to, you would run into the Back to the Future II problem of creating a potential paradox. This is why Future Hiro in season one approached Peter instead of himself. I would say that I've enjoyed the way in which they've handled time travel and precognition in Heroes, basically that being that the future is fluid and by going into the past you can mess around with things. Apparently in an upcoming episode, Hiro will in fact try and go back in time and rescue his dad, which of course presents a storytelling opportunity with an encounter between Hiro and Adam.
          My assumption for why Hiro was stuck in the past was simply that if he was in the present, most of the problems everyone's facing would be dealt with in short order while he bends time and space to his will. Of course, Hiro would be the one to form the Justice League, what with being the Star Trek/comic book geek of the group. Since he wasn't there, it's forgivable that they didn't go in that direction. Still, they were definitely treading water there for the bulk of those 6 episodes with too many ongoing stories for their own good.
      • Jugalator, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2"Why else would they have Takezo Kensei storyline take 6 episodes. "

        Well, I personally kept waiting for explanations to the origin of the whole "hero ability" phenomenon in the first place. I thought that would be the point of it. Because he seemed to be among the original "heroes". It thought it would be about that since the end of Season 1. As in "wow, he got a long time back there, and there are the hero symbol there too -- maybe the heritage will be explained".

        Well, maybe it still will be, with Adam coming into play now. But I was certainly not expecting it to happen that way, in that case. An alternative I thought of would be that he'd be killed and Hiro would change the future of the season in a big way. So no, this turn of events wasn't "very obvious" at all to me.
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Yeah, after seeing the actor, and his power (which also annoyed me, we already have a healer, I don't really find it interesting that there's two, same with flying boy), I figured he'd just live forever, or get to the present through some means.

      And yeah, Hiro's power basically destroys the show. It seems he now has the power to go to any point in time (or he got REAL lucky jumping back into the present), why would he jump 4 months after the big fight to save the world and not... jump to the big fight to save the world and... help? It makes no sense. Additionally, from now one whenever anything bad happens people will go "Hey! Why can't Hiro just fix it!"
  • jmpeagle, on 11/11/2007, -3/+98Adam is supposedly the origin of all the heroes. He basically spent 400 years banging broads all around the world and they are all descended from him.
    • cusoman, on 11/11/2007, -5/+20OR Peter befriended him and took him back in time to wreck havoc on the timeline, accomplishing some as yet unknown agenda.
      • indecks, on 11/08/2007, -2/+4Oh snap... good thinkin'!
      • cusoman, on 11/08/2007, -1/+10Dugg down? Come on now... it's entirely possible. Can't we all just geek along?
    • brainboy77, on 11/08/2007, -10/+8r u joking? cuz if not, THEN THAT WOULD BE ***** AWESOME! seriously, think about it. Heroes: Porn. it could be the gapfiller for the strike.
    • adventflux, on 11/08/2007, -5/+1Possible spoiler alert at least?
      • jmpeagle, on 11/08/2007, -0/+10well considering I made it up, then no
    • lyssword, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3LOL
    • Prathik89, on 11/08/2007, -0/+11Genghis Khan style.
    • eleven, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5He's a self-made man for sure. If he didn't bang some japanese chicks then Hero would not have existed and thus he might not have followed down the path he's now chosen. I have a feeling that he's not the "one" who started it all... but that is just a feeling.
    • WicketWicketson, on 11/08/2007, -2/+1You realise that would mean quite a few of the couples in the show are related, right?
      • ShosuroYuu, on 11/08/2007, -0/+7Go back far enough you're related to just about everyone I suppose.
      • rebrane, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4That's how purebreds get made.
    • WicketWicketson, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1Which would be even hotter...
    • asw66, on 11/08/2007, -1/+3So, I take it that Claire's going to be banging guys around the world for the next 400 years? What a happy thought!
      • innocentsinner, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1Tim Kring, are you listening??
      • havokdu, on 11/11/2007, -0/+1That makes sense. She cannot age anymore due to her regenerative powers.
    • Hoogs, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6Ahh, so that explains his name.
    • libertao, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5"I AM [ALL OF YOURS] FATHER!"
      • Jargonaut06, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2Everybody search your feelings. You all know it to be true!
    • nosecohn, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5And now he wants to kill them all, because "there can be only one." Oh wait... wrong adventure/fantasy show.
  • Radovan, on 11/08/2007, -0/+23How the hell did they not realise this before going into production?
  • StellaWasADiver, on 11/11/2007, -3/+30When Lost became frustrating and dull, I became angry and almost wrote letters. When Heroes did, I changed the channel. This really mundane season makes me miss Lost even more, which is horrible because there are talks of Lost not returning till 2009. Yup...2009.
    • thezettabytes, on 11/08/2007, -0/+6What??? They won't hold back the episodes till 2009!! 8 months break was long enough with that huge cliffhanger, I'll go crazy if I have to wait any longer.
    • asdfuiop, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5Maybe they'll be nice and tide us over with a screensaver made from the brainwashing scene... I'd strap myself to a chair and watch it
    • libertao, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4Lies!!
  • melonhedd, on 11/08/2007, -8/+2Also last season
  • UtopiaInTheSky, on 11/08/2007, -2/+34Monday's episode was amazing. Let's hope they keep it up... Oh, wait... They're on strike.
    • rebrane, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5They already wrote the next five episodes.
  • indecks, on 11/13/2007, -1/+40That's good. No one really cares about the Mexican WonderTwins anyway. They're obviously fodder for Sylar's power-sucking-power, so just kill them and get it overwith. And the whole boyfriend thing with Claire? GET RID. No one watches this show for LOVESTORIES.

    No one watched Lost for Sawyer and Kate's humpings either. Maybe Lost's writers will learn.
    • squegie, on 11/08/2007, -1/+10Maybe the wonder twins (at least the guy) can stop the virus? Peter has to get that twin to the right time and place to stop the virus, overthrowing Adam's influence.
      • epiccollision, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1how would he stop the virus...it seems he can only counter act his sister's power...which isn't a disease/virus...they think they're sick because the have powers the bible can't expalin
    • brainboy77, on 11/08/2007, -4/+2wait, there's porn in lost. *furiously downloads "lost" torrents*
    • thezettabytes, on 11/08/2007, -2/+2Actually, Kate and Sawyer's sex scene was the most tivo'd moment of last season (google it). But I agree that's not what I watch lost for and the writers have obviously learned from that considering there was very little Kate-Sawyer stuff after the 6th episode
    • asdfuiop, on 11/08/2007, -3/+2Not true. The whole relationship angle has it's place, as long as it doesn't become the focus of the show... you just don't have enough estrogen to understand
    • IllBeBack, on 11/08/2007, -4/+3You are so short-sighted. Do you really think that the story thread about Claire's boyfriend is just about her having a boyfriend? Please... There are plenty of ways that this relationship could impact the story in significant ways. Maybe you need to spend some time in Imaginationland to get some ideas. There are some nice woodland creatures there that will show you a new way of thinking.
      • charbo187, on 11/08/2007, -1/+3since calire's father "nathan" can fly and her boyfriend can fly im thinking that he might be related to her somehow.
    • Jrr6415sun, on 11/08/2007, -3/+2no the writers have not learned, I was listening to them talk, and they actually thing the majority of people want to know about who kate is goign to choose sawyer or jack... and I agree that most girls want to know this stuff, but that is not the majority of people who watch the show.
      • epiccollision, on 11/08/2007, -1/+1umm she chose sawyer...did you not see the finale
        • Jrr6415sun, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1maybe they said that before the finale?

          They have also said that that is not her final decision and it will be brought back next season.
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Relationships can be fine in a show, it's just obnoxious when it's the main storyline in a show where it shouldn't be. I find Claire's stupidity given the numerous times she, or those around her, almost died last year too obnoxious to believe, and only serves so they can recycle stories from last season (Claire v Father, and eventually Company v Claire Family)
  • lazyfisherman, on 11/08/2007, -1/+4Now that the Adam story is getting going and we're going to see some answers about what happened after the season finale.. the show might be a lot less confusing.
  • RollFizzlebeef, on 11/08/2007, -3/+2The guy was the showrunner on "Crossing Jordan" for six years; he's supposed to be experienced at this sort of thing. But I imagine that show sucked, too.
  • Endrick, on 11/08/2007, -1/+15I love Heros, and i was disappointed from season 2. Till last episode, that brought the love back it gave me hope again
  • 1town, on 11/11/2007, -2/+9Don't apologize, Heroes is one of the better shows on now. The prison break people, however, should pay me back for the episodes i watched of season3. Talk about squeezing water from a stone. It's basically season 1, just south of the border.
    • NijiDaku, on 11/11/2007, -1/+3See, for me, it's been the other way around.. That's the beauty of us people, we are different.
      • DonKarnage25, on 11/08/2007, -1/+1oops.
      • 1town, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1Sure is. But can we agree that Smallville is stretching its limits? :p
    • DonKarnage25, on 11/11/2007, -0/+3You paid for a TV show?
    • skyfire1, on 11/11/2007, -0/+2It's still a great show. It's always fun watching Michael pull off a stunt while avoiding time constraints and tension from other prisoners. I love it.
  • koonchu, on 11/13/2007, -18/+81MY GOD, I'm awestruck to see that even the creators realize that the show is just not "sticky" enough this season.
    * I honestly DO NOT CARE about Hiro in Japan. WHERE'S the T-rex he's supposed to fight???
    * We spent all last season rooting for Nathan to do the right thing only to have him scarred and psychologically damaged?
    * Similarly, Bennet's character is back down in the mud, handled miserably. I know he did what he did because he had no choice this season, but the viewer wasn't prepped enough. I have no pity for him.
    * Am I supposed to fear the psychic cop's father? Dangerous yes, threatening NO.
    * Peter with memory loss? I know the stories are contrived and cliched, but gimme a break. I groaned when he uttered "who am I?"
    * I am NOT AT ALL feeling close to the latino black-eyed-peas-in-a-pod. And I'M LATINA! Get rid of them.
    * Okay, so the copycat chick realizes she has powers and decides to JUMP ROPE? Gimme a ***** break.

    Lordy, I could go on and on. Even if you guys digg me down, you have to agree, there are WAYYY too many new plot threads going on right now. OVERLOAD. The heroes writers read comics, right? Two words: Crossover Syndrome.

    • AnarkeIncarnate, on 11/09/2007, -4/+37He didn't fight one, it was him in the museum. Pay a bloody tention.
      • koonchu, on 11/08/2007, -11/+5Wait a second, you *****. Look at the painting again: http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Hiro_and_the_Dino_port ...

        Are you telling me that him in the museum was the freaking PAYOFF????
        • CountryBoyRI, on 11/08/2007, -1/+10Yup. It was pretty frickin' obvious when you watched it.
        • EnderMB, on 11/08/2007, -2/+4And I'm sure the writers, actors and staff of Heroes will miss you as a viewer...
        • Neiby, on 11/08/2007, -2/+3Apparently.
        • jon30041, on 11/08/2007, -2/+2I'm with you, koonchu. *****, it might look like the scene in the museum, but... hell, make him throw down with a real t-rex. Maybe the guys powers go haywire again, I don't care. Drop his ass in the Paleolithic, Jurassic, or whatever era the rex was from.
    • Khendroc, on 11/08/2007, -2/+19he's not going to fight a T-rex, the painting was a premonition of him standing with the sword in front of the T-rex model.
      • koonchu, on 11/08/2007, -13/+2Wait a second, you double-*****. Look at the painting again: http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Hiro_and_the_Dino_port ...

        Are you telling me that him in the museum was the freaking PAYOFF????
        • Ukonu, on 11/08/2007, -1/+4Did you really want to see him fight a dinosaur with a sword? Are you ***** serious? You have the imagination of a 5 year old.
        • Neiby, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5Why are you calling people ***** for answering your question? What an *****.
        • koonchu, on 11/08/2007, -9/+1***** you. The goddamn show had a black chick doing the 619 inside a wannabe KFC. Yeah. ***** you.
        • bubba9999, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1When you turn 8, your mom will explain this stuff to you.

          Oops. I meant:
          * WHEN you turn 8, your MOM will EXPLAIN this stuff to you.
        • Khendroc, on 11/09/2007, -0/+0Yeah, that's the payoff. I know it sucks, but I'm almost positive it is. If you notice how they pan the camera to line it up as he's looking at the sword with the T Rex model there .. I think that's all we're gonna get.
      • joegibes, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2I believe that Velociraptors could be the hook that the show needs to regain lost momentum and gain more viewers.
        I mean come on, what else could've destroyed New York after the bomb was stopped?
      • molochi, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1What they really need is a superpowered dog and a talking car.
    • BlackJackJester, on 11/08/2007, -2/+2I was personally really sad when they made Linerman into an active roll in the series, and then killed him in season 1. I felt he had to much more power, and even be a far more interesting villain than Sylar, by being a man who wields not only political power, but has many minions, all with powers themselves. Oh well, he's dead.

      I'm just hoping someone has the power to make zombies, and creates an undead legion.
      • DonKarnage25, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2I was about to say that Linderman getting killed was a nice setup for the "kill all the elders" plot season 2 took... but just remembered that Linderman was killed by D.L... so not so sure that they're connected anymore.
      • charbo187, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2im wondering. did peter ever meet linderman? if he did then he would not only have claire's self healing ability but lindermans healing powers too. (remember when he cured the paralyzed lady?) maybe that is how nathan survived when peter exploded. peter healed him with lindermans power.
      • neveroddoreven, on 11/08/2007, -0/+0a villain that heals other things... lets think of some interesting fights they could have with him... wait nope cant think of any
    • Neiby, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5The T-Rex was in the first season when he was in the museum.
      • koonchu, on 11/08/2007, -4/+2"Some feel this prophecy has not yet been fulfilled. Hiro did stand in front of the dinosaur model at the museum and brandish the sword he got from the display case, but he was holding a sheathed replica with no blade inside, while the painting appears to show a real, unsheathed blade" from the Heroes Wiki
        • bluemist, on 11/08/2007, -0/+6Yea right, and that bomb did go off because Isaac painted it.
    • thezettabytes, on 11/08/2007, -2/+3I agree that Matt's dad looks too goofy to be scary.
      • zwaldowski, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1He's gone now.
      • Nick519, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1but that was all based on molly's statement, too -- and she's a child. what's scarier to a child than the stuff that scares you in your dreams? you can't knock it -- it's what all the freddy krueger movies are based on. of *course* she'd say he was the scariest hero out there.
    • mcprettie, on 11/08/2007, -3/+3buried for making a criticism that shows you have no idea what's going on.
    • ChimpFlix, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4Don't like the twins, kinda like the mimic girl, didn't like Hiro in feudal Japan, liked the ending of this last episode.
  • jaymulder, on 11/08/2007, -4/+3It reminds me of a comic book with the whole virus thing. Such a good show.
    • norman619, on 11/08/2007, -0/+8Hence the name Heroes.....
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1It probably reminds you of a comic book because most of the good story lines are stolen from comic books. Season one from watchmen, and now season 2 from the legacy virus.

      I'm not too opposed to that, but all the original no comic book story lines seem to suck lately, and even the main ones could be handled better (the finale and most of this season have been horrible)
  • monkeyrun, on 11/13/2007, -0/+57And can we get Sylar to kill West? His storyline is annoying.
    • indecks, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5This post right here, that's good show material. I agree. GET RID OF THAT IDIOT.
    • Rapsting, on 11/09/2007, -0/+32sup klair, i maedd u waffulz
      Summary of West's accomplishments so far. Kill him off.
      • nosecohn, on 11/08/2007, -0/+6Was that the weirdest thing or what? Claire wastes many lines of dialog insisting that West is not to reveal himself to her father, and then he comes over to make waffles???? I mean, you knew there was going to be that moment where he found out that Claire's dad was the guy in the horn-rimmed glasses, but did the writers really spend all those episodes building up to it so that they could eventually contrive this kind of silly half-confrontation? Talk about a let-down.

        I sure hope Kring gets his crew and his vision back on track. It's nice to hear that he's aware and trying.
        • Jugalator, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1I agree, next to Adam appearing in the end of the episode, seeing West appear in her home was the next biggest surprise. So if they tried to achieve a surprise there, sure, they managed that, but I think it was a surprise for the wrong reason.
    • Wildthing, on 11/09/2007, -2/+2"So, are you an alien or a zombie?" Such a good pickup line that I can't even remember if I said it right....
    • rand21althor, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1Agreed. Go ahead and give Sylar the ability to fly. We know he has some form of levitation, why not let him fly?
      Besides, it'll take care of West. He's my least favorite character of the entire series.
    • heynoop, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5***** right... West pissed me off from the moment he was introduced. LOL R U A ROBOT OR A ALIEN A/S/L HEY I CAN FLY
  • djrocksteady, on 11/08/2007, -2/+10how about some conflict a little more interesting than "saving the world from Armageddon?" That is what 10 year old kids imagine doing. Can't we something a little more dynamic and less cut and dry?
    • BlackJackJester, on 11/08/2007, -0/+5like, "Holy balls, this guy made Sylar believe he was in Mexico trying to get to America, while running into crazy people with crazy death powers, but its just his mind. Sylar is actually knocked out on a bed within The Company by the dude with crazy telepathy powers.
      • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Wait that didn't happen right? Because that'd at least be interesting and mean the two new characters trying to cross the boarder were fake.

        Anyway, that wouldn't be a story, that'd be an interesting event.
  • rotundo, on 11/08/2007, -1/+7What the heck? I've loved this season so far with one exception: the couple coming up through Mexico... that story line just doesn't do anything for me, but I was really enjoying everything else. Ah hell... guess they don't make TV for my type.
    • maexus, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4Don't make TV for your type? You mean, except for every other part of the show you just said you loved?
      • rotundo, on 11/08/2007, -1/+2Meaning that they said they're changing it: yeah, they made what I like but they think they're making bad TV so they're changing it. For an example of what I liked recently:

        Firefly, Conviction, Daybreak ... all shows that got canned early.

        X-Files and Lost are two shows I've liked that didn't get canned early. So sometimes they make stuff I like, but generally when I like something it's the kiss of death. Ah well.
  • krabat, on 11/08/2007, -1/+4I have been giving Heroes a whole lot of ***** lately, but I am happy with this interview. He hits everything that is wrong right on the head and he actually seems like he wants to change things for the better.
  • monkbot1, on 11/09/2007, -2/+6while we're on the subject the whole Irish thing was a crock of *****. Armed security guards? a Celtic Vs. Milan match in Cork? I don't think so, did they blow their research budget on ancient Japan? not forgetting the woeful "Oirish" accents on the cast I would have thought Hollywood would have moved on from that begora and leprechans Schtick. I Love the whole Japanese thing and the Korean thing in Lost and the obvious Italien vibe in Sopranos so why is it so difficult to get the Irish right? at least they can still ADR it before it reaches Irish audiences
    • koonchu, on 11/08/2007, -2/+1Oh, that's easy. Irish-Americans ain't really Irish, so they wouldn't give a *****.
    • Borstch1, on 11/09/2007, -0/+6Yeah, that football match was on TV guy. They have TV's in Ireland. They've had them since they got electricity in 1984.
    • elhaf, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2Umm, I suppose if you were ancient Japanese, you would say the same thing about the feudal japan segments.
  • TheToecutter, on 11/08/2007, -2/+8So far this season has been "Super Meh" to the point where my wife and I don't really care if we see it right away and just leave it on the DVR for...whenever. Everything they've done so far has been boring and confusing. Too many pointless characters doing pointless things. And we're given a promise that all our questions will be answered. I highly doubt it. THEN, we're give a storyline where the characters once again see into the future showing a devastated landscape...probably the exact same effects from the first season. And they must once again save us from this future of destruction. Kring and the writers weren't ready for the popularity of last season and it shows this season. I get they feeling they are giving us the run around because they don't quite know WTF to do. This will end badly I'm afraid.
    • monkbot1, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2I'm inclined to agree, but I hope your wrong
    • mckinnej, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2My wife has been complaining about it the whole season. The eternal optimist, I kept saying, "They're just setting things up for something good next week." Until Monday, the whole season was just one big overly long and boring set up. So much stuff seems to have been pointless. Maybe it will mean something later, but I've got my doubts. There are just too many unexplained events to ever bring together. A lot of this season should and will be forgotten. I just hope it picks up until they run out of scripts. That and I hope the writers get what they want and the strike ends soon.
  • petebot, on 11/08/2007, -3/+22They neglected to mention the fact that none of the characters have personalities. I don't believe for a second that any of these people are 3 dimensional. Everyone speaks in the same manner and tone, people are either "good" or "evil," all of the heroes either revel in or hate their powers and when they speak, all I hear is exposition, oh my god I'm bored just thinking about it.. Most of the "twists" or "surprises" are completely obvious. And I couldn't believe the lame lame lame cheerleader storyline stolen from every high school movie ever made.

    I really wanted to like this show, and I did and I still kind of do, but I'm beginning to enjoy laughing at it more than just enjoying the lame convoluted story.

    I really hate how rant-y that is. sorry.
    • Webnower, on 11/08/2007, -2/+0You're so full of hatred :(
      *emo tear*
    • elhaf, on 11/08/2007, -1/+8Um, everyone is "good" or "evil"? What the hell? This is one of the most morally grey shows about heroes that I've ever seen. They even used that very term to describe someone last week. What about Jessica? You can never tell what she'll do next or who she'll be working for!
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1I agree completely. Jessica isn't morally grey, she has TWO personalities, one never acts evilly and one ALWAYS does. At the end of season 1 they were starting to get into a little more morally grey area with Sylar (similar to Magneto at least), so I hope whenever they give Sylar a real spot the delve into that more. I like the anti-hero or unsure characters more than the straight up super villan. If a character wants to blow up manhattan just because, that's not interesting to me. Make the character have believable motives and I'll love it.
  • tumbler360, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4Latest episode was much better but season 2 overall is a huge disaster. They need to drop all these love stories and give us more hero fights. We don't watch this show to see people fall in love, we want hero fights, we want fireballs and teleporting and betrayal and vengence.
  • ZenMojo, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3I thought it was just me. I knew people were complaining about the show, but I didn't hear any solid complaints. Tim Kring pretty much sums up all of my personal issues with the show and, while I don't think they were enough to make me tune out on a Monday night, it was enough to make me grumpy.
  • frostbyt, on 11/08/2007, -12/+6Family Guy is much better.
  • inspireology, on 11/08/2007, -1/+21I was a bit underwhelmed with the Nightmare man. I was expecting some serious awesomeness when they alluded to his existence in season one.
    • koonchu, on 11/08/2007, -1/+2Agreed. Put a white beard on him and he looks like Santa Clause
    • spoodigity, on 11/08/2007, -1/+0yeah I'm with ya. They made it out like he'd be more badass than Sylar. His power is cool but he never even killed anyone with it as far as I could tell.
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1Yeah one of the examples of things Heroes WAY overhypes. I was expecting this character to be awesome, but instead he was mostly lame (and seemed to mostly be just a way for them to retcon what Parkman can do by saying he can do everything his dad can, but didn't realize it). And now they said he's the pawn of someone else? Meh, I loved Sylar as a villain way better, they best bring him back in a more substantial role.
  • bjs3171, on 11/08/2007, -1/+3uh, I've quite enjoyed the season so far and if they end this season after only 12 episodes i'm gonna be pissed. I missed last week's episode, but because i was busy, not because i was uninterested. if it was really that good, then just continue on that path, don't end the season. i need my heroes.
    • CountryBoyRI, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2You can watch the episode on the NBC website here: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/episodes.shtml
    • wentwj, on 11/09/2007, -0/+1They are ending the season due to the writers strike, not because of creative decisions. If the writer strike ends soon it'll be back. But that doesn't seem likely.

      In addition to NBCs website, you can bit torrent the episodes in higher quality. The reason I suggest this is the writers get nothing from the NBC broadcast (nor from bit torrent but at least the NBC execs don't either)
  • zachshmack, on 11/08/2007, -0/+8Well I'm glad he listens to his fanbase. I wish the same could be said for other television shows...
  • icegoddess13, on 11/08/2007, -0/+23I don't think it sucked HORRIBLY, they just needed to get their ***** together.
    And I was completely floored by the whole Kensei-Takezo-is-Adam-Monroe thing.
  • TheNik, on 11/08/2007, -4/+12Too much feudal Japan? Those segments ***** rock aside from the lovey-dovey parts.
    • spoodigity, on 11/08/2007, -1/+8Too bad the lovey-dovey parts were like 3/4ths of the entire story.
    • kidcodea, on 11/08/2007, -0/+10how hard is it to understand that without that love (badly scripted i agree but needed in story) there would be no heroes story?
      its the root of all...
    • Chicken2nite, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1I liked the 'accidentally' exchange between Takezo and Hiro a few episodes back. I thought that was handled well. Honest confrontation is what is needed for this show, the Bennet's should take note.
  • kimme, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3We here in Norway are halfway through the first season, so we should skip the second season and go straight for the third? :)
    • indecks, on 11/08/2007, -2/+0To quote the Kenya cartoon: "Forget Norway!"
    • petebot, on 11/08/2007, -1/+3Yes.. Your time would be better spent listening to some Turbonegro albums. Or moving to Sweden.

      (I'm a quarter Swedish--just trying to keep the rivalry alive).
      • Jugalator, on 11/08/2007, -0/+2Sweden is also mid-season 1. ;-)

        Besides the Swedes that use their little local BitTorrent site of course.
    • bubba9999, on 11/08/2007, -0/+1So far, the second season hasn't had much to offer to the story arch.
    • theshizzler, on 11/08/2007, -0/+4I can't say its completely pointless, it is entertaining, just not as much as the first season. However, I'm sure the happenings in Season 2 will resonate somehow into Season 3.
    • heynoop, on 11/08/2007, -3/+2NO, god you guys are dicks. I like the 2nd season so far, as do many people. Don't let others decide that just because they're elitist "omg i predicted everything, love stories are so boring even though they are probably an integral part of the plot" fanboys
  • chroko, on 11/08/2007, -0/+3I'm glad this season isn't on iTunes (or I would have bought a season pass - and then be complaining about how much it sucks).

    Thanks for saving me money, NBC!
  • superterran, on 11/08/2007, -3/+15I think he might be getting a little too hard on himself. Name a Sci-fi show that didn't have some long, drawn out love story ingraned in it? Personally, the whole Hiro/Kensai arch was one of the best things in the second season so far; besides Bennett getting back to his Chuck Norris roots. I think the biggest thing for me to get over with Heroes was that Season 2 was inherently different from Season 2... Season 1's an epic, where season 2 was more along the lines of watching these people get their lives back in order.

    however, I have to admit that this last eppisode was by far the best one of season 2.
  • superterran, on 11/08/2007, -3/+7digg down
  • Beatmiser, on 11/07/2007, -0/+1I've been somewhat 'meh' on season 2. Anything with Sylar has perked me up. Ireland.. blah. Japan... blah. Mexico... Blah. Ukraine... blah.
    Last night tied much of my 'meh' into a sack and threw it in the river. For the first time since season 1, I can't wait for the next Monday night installment. Count me among those who just didn't put the Adam connection down. I love that kind of reveal.
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