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- moojj, on 10/11/2007, -6/+383Title / description don't do this ad campaign justice. In my opinion this is one of the best campaigns I have ever seen.
- sepultura, on 10/11/2007, -3/+56I definitely agree with you Moojj, I realized moments after submitting this how bad the description/title were in comparison to the ad campaign. Hope this gets the attention it deserves though.
- iownsomuch, on 10/11/2007, -3/+223Well I guess it's better than "ZOMG !!!111!!! BEST AD EVAR LOL"
- Wailord, on 10/11/2007, -8/+179Don't you mean "AWESOME! FOUR of the most AMAZING billboards you'll see all day!"?
- knightblade2oo4, on 10/11/2007, -6/+76Great ad campaign, it leaves the bias behind and allows the viewer to make the call. Much more powerful than pasting a bias message on a billboard.
- sjl127, on 10/11/2007, -4/+123and it shows just how divided we are.
- Recusant, on 10/11/2007, -2/+45I couldn't agree with you more, I love this campaign. Anything that can make something as plain as a billboard attract so much attention is obviously doing something right.
- whiskeymb, on 10/11/2007, -24/+4BREAKING: Awesome ad campaign from the BBC!!!!! (and more about Paris!)
- FadieZ, on 10/11/2007, -7/+31Anyone else try texting their vote?
- RadiantBeing, on 10/11/2007, -14/+3I wonder if the counter displays are e-ink
- meatmcguffin, on 10/11/2007, -17/+71American broadcasters could learn a lot from the lack of bias that the BBC has made their core value for seventy years.
- ptFoe, on 10/11/2007, -32/+170BBC is too classy for America.
Take it off. - PommyBrit, on 10/11/2007, -36/+6With all the slack the BBC gets for being 'Anti-American' even here I doubt they'll survive too long in the US, unless they sell-out.
- jimbojim, on 10/11/2007, -78/+3Isn't BBC the BRITISH Broadcasting Organization? Shouldn't they worry about their own country?
- jimbojim, on 10/11/2007, -38/+8Well now that this is on Digg I think we know that every anti-american option will be voted for.
- dmjarrington, on 10/11/2007, -46/+5The results are fake. These billboards are designed to trick average passers-by into believing that the government is doing right by them... It's a shameless ploy, and it's a shame more people aren't able to see it for what it is.
- AntBing, on 10/11/2007, -20/+59How do they separate the votes? Each billboard uses the same 47647 and either a 1 or a 2.
- j4200, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17The title does it justice. I would prefer that you didn't stick AMAZING ad campaign by BBC.. or SHOCKING! or BREAKING... or any stupid adjective in caps. THe title of the link does it's job. The witty headline is up to the article writer.
- duniyadnd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+64@Antbing: Look at the buildings behind the boards, they're the, so it's the same board, so probably happened one after another rather than all at once.
- polybot, on 10/11/2007, -19/+5Pommybrit
I think BBC World sold out a while ago and these cheesey adds are testament to their increasingly simplistic, sound bitey, editorial style. Still some good aspects but the in-depth balanced reporting of old is slowly being replaced by sensational headlines, tacky opinion polls, endless self promotion and popularist news. - jeff303, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2@knightblade2oo4
Yeah but their excluded middles are in short supply - Kotelic, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1I may be overlooking something but all of the left tickers have you sending the same message to the same number, as do all of the right ones. So why aren't all of them the same?
- crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1@Wailord: You forgot "EVER!"
- fourfive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+26http://www.adverbox.com/bbc-2/
- PunkRampant, on 10/11/2007, -2/+63I don't want to be mean, but the American media version of this campaign would probably be
Paris Hilton
Criminal or Misunderstood
But I'm not speculating which side would get the most votes. - ShorXrorE, on 10/11/2007, -23/+5what the hell is that last picture supposed to be?
- AdamTReineke, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16@ShorXrorE - It is bird-flu.
- snapcase, on 10/11/2007, -12/+2The number to text is the same for each of the billboards. Hopefully they aren't up at the same time otherwise it's just a vote for optimism and pessimism.
- thatsmyaibo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I love the way it lets the users decide. I wish more news was like that rather than hear pure bias. No matter what anybody says, every news outlet leans one way or the other.
- diggingaround, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1@moojj
That really depends where you run this campaign. - diggingaround, on 10/11/2007, -13/+1
This is MUCH more accurate that BBC's ad: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/ - paulmdx, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13"How do they separate the votes? Each billboard uses the same 47647 and either a 1 or a 2."
Given the photos show the *same* billboard, I'm guessing they ran the votes on different days or weeks. - kjcdude, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4http://www.adcglobal.org/archive/annual/?year=2&id=1001
The ad campaign has already won an award.
Great campaign. - neutralmind, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22we should have all billboards as:
1.) digg
2.) bury
If "bury" reaches threshold, it explodes.
if "digg" reaches threshold, it EXPLODES! - Anrkist, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3What happens when it hits 10,000? There's only enough room for 9999 and below =p
- FatAmerican, on 10/11/2007, -16/+4meatmcguffin said
"American broadcasters could learn a lot from the lack of bias that the BBC has made their core value for seventy years."
Oh Really?!?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411846&in_page_id=1770
-quote from link:
"At the secret meeting in London last month, which was hosted by veteran broadcaster Sue Lawley, BBC executives admitted the corporation is dominated by homosexuals and people from ethnic minorities, deliberately promotes multiculturalism, is anti-American, anti-countryside and more sensitive to the feelings of Muslims than Christians."
BBC is a publicly-funded left winged bias news coporation, like the ads though. - 60days, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Thats the Daily Mail though, they believe that about any organisation other than the East Albury Morris Dancing Preservation Society and the Daily Mail.
- regexp, on 10/11/2007, -8/+9@meatmcguffin
"American broadcasters could learn a lot from the lack of bias that the BBC has made their core value for seventy years."
I usually listen to the BBC most every night. And without a doubt BBC is as bias as FOX and CNN. When Cheney shot his poor friend, the BBC interviewers question to the local ranger on the scene was:
"Do you think that America's complete lack of gun control was the cause of this shooting?"
The ranger was stunned and so was I at the complete stupidity of the question on a -hunting- accident. Sadly this kind of bias appears daily. - Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5You really are a fat american if you believe the ***** Daily Mail.
- JamesConnolly, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Fox News was inspired by The Daily Mail.
- orlyfactor, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2@ptfoe:
***** off you generalizing *****. Stop acting better than everyone else, because you're not.- MrSlumberjack, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1Go pull the pineapple out of your ass.
- daxsymbiont, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3lol, an Iraq poll largely voting anglo-americans and STILL getting 5000(occupier)vs7000(liberator), let alone almost certainly old people + polically correct that vote on TV channels/mainstream media nowadays.
Try it globally for all ages, or even locally on all ages and you'll get the reality. - Corvidae, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4"American broadcasters could learn a lot from the lack of bias that the BBC has made their core value for seventy years."
American broadcasters learned they could make more money by being biased. That's why they lobbied to have the fairness doctrine repealed.
Dontcha just love when a free market screws over the populace? - FatAmerican, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4@ 60days, myonosken & JamesConnolly
wow you guys are really missing the point. So what if the article is on the daiymail, the point is that these are things that the BBC executives actually admitted to, not just dailymail's opinion on if the BBC's fair or not. And not that this is shocking anyway, anyone who really watches BBC knows this already, and now the execs are admitting it. What else do you need!? It's probably one reason why the British people hate us Americans so much; they're being given their news from an anti-American news media outlet and they don't even realize it.
Go ahead, digg me down America-Haters. - g00dETH3R, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1@moojj
"one of the best campaigns I have ever seen."
I disagree,
That's why the average citizen is so ***** stupid they get thought to think the world is black and white, its not. "citizens" or "criminals"? how about neither, how about a bunch of people trying to escape poverty (some of who are criminals).
Why would (a UK government funded organization) BBC try to compete with us corporate funded news? - Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@FatAmerican, The Daily Mail has been found on numerous occasions of creating false quotes. Remember when they just happened to get a conversation with that supposed Al-Qaeda leader who said that they were planning to attack as soon as the US left? I don't think I need to explain how that is obviously *****.
- Plasmatica, on 10/11/2007, -6/+28Pretty cool. Great campaign.
- urbannomad23, on 10/11/2007, -143/+3guerilla marketing at its best!
- Pentoast, on 10/11/2007, -2/+154You have no idea what that means, do you?
- urbannomad23, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1no, i did know. the only thing that i remember from the definition is "maximum exposure"
- hassanchop13, on 10/11/2007, -30/+11i dont see any animals in that picture
- sowhat5828, on 10/11/2007, -22/+1Isn't it illegal to use a cell phone while driving in NYC?
Smart campaign though - j4200, on 10/11/2007, -4/+33Guerrilla warfare is when you ambush the enemy fast and quick, take their *****, then run off to cover. taking the best advantages of their resources, for your benefit. Guerrilla marketing is when you create a campaign that rides the coat tails of something it is opposing. Gaining exposure on your opponent's dime is the ultimate goal. Using icons and brands that they have spent the money to build recognition, and associating your message to those.
- sabarsky, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3and now for the real definiton.
Guerilla Marketing: innovative, unconventional, and low-cost marketing techniques aimed at obtaining maximum exposure for a product or service.- urbannomad23, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1oh thank you. :)
- Pentoast, on 10/11/2007, -2/+154You have no idea what that means, do you?
- jskidmore, on 10/11/2007, -2/+61Wow, what a great campaign. This is one of the few campaigns I have seen that haven't tried to send a biased message.
- eatsushi, on 10/11/2007, -8/+27Finally, a billboard that isn't trying to sell me something!
- AxeSwinger, on 10/11/2007, -2/+31@sushi
Umm..it's trying to buy your eyeballs to watch the network.... - stimpack, on 10/11/2007, -9/+3BBC is left-wing state TV. Just because our politics are very different to present US neocon/socialist divisions, it is important to realise that they are not unbiased, far from it.
They get money from those phone numbers?. - Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Left wing? Since when? They don't stick to one view point- remember when Blair finally annouced his departure? They had 4 different reports on from different points of view and political ideas.
- kitwaites, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@stimpack
Do you have any sources to back that up? Or even one supposedly "biased" article on the BBC News website? Seeing as it's funded by the public, not the government, and has a board tasked with ensuring it's impartiality, I find your accusations hard to believe. - Mafoo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Is it just me or do some people think anything but fox news is left wing biased. Maybe they can't handle the truth.
- BarryChuckle, on 10/11/2007, -25/+5pretty innovative. but still, only one phone number for 4 different questions :)
- jskidmore, on 10/11/2007, -33/+1Because they're all one mindset vs. the other.
- sepultura, on 10/11/2007, -1/+109Each billboard was placed at the same spot, one after the other, which is why the phone numbers were the same. They weren't all up at the same time. :)
- jskidmore, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28Gotcha, that makes much more sense.
- humanseemer, on 10/11/2007, -13/+5@jskidmore
That is one of the most remarkably stupid things i've read in recent times.
- Snorglorf, on 10/11/2007, -9/+7Very thought-provoking.
- BlackStar77, on 10/11/2007, -2/+59Wonder what happens when the counter reaches 9999.
- VicGolgo13, on 10/17/2007, -2/+102We experience Y2K all over again.
- dreambucket, on 10/11/2007, -1/+85it displays the goldeneye nude code
- nreynolds, on 10/17/2007, -2/+69the billboard explodes and a new one takes its place.
- Phyrefly, on 10/11/2007, -3/+33You can just program it to display a smaller font...
It's good that a reliable news source is finally available in a country filled with propaganda. Heck, BBC even replaced CNN on my cable network (in Canada).
Two teacups up. - dggeek, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13"the billboard explodes and a new one takes its place."
And we're on our 4th already! I knew those Idol voting skills would come in handy. - Romanito, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7The Befriend counter gets back to 0, China sees it and declare war on US.
- zevgreen, on 10/11/2007, -66/+1Dugg down as inaccurate... you can see the pixilation around the number board. Neat concept though.
- vj8usa, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22What pixelation? Are you talking about compression artifacts?
- jskidmore, on 10/11/2007, -3/+24What are you talking about? It's called JPEG compression...
(vj8usa... dang you beat me to it) - Spiffness, on 10/11/2007, -1/+35I sent a vote and I got a BBC text message back...
Seems legit enough.
"Each billboard was placed at the same spot, one after the other, which is why the phone numbers were the same. They weren't all up at the same time. :)"
Funny enough, I actually got two replies. So either their system is goofed or I voted on two issues? Also, it occurs to me now these pictures are probably out of date and I don't know what I sent in... just wanted to test it out.
- Racerx52, on 10/11/2007, -9/+2I was actually surprised at some results there
- nhinsch, on 10/11/2007, -18/+1How can the number you're supposed to text be the same on all four billboards? How is that supposed to work?
- soda0289, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19If you notice, all the billboard are in the same spot.
- postal21, on 10/11/2007, -10/+6Can we be "liberators" and "occupiers" at the same time?
Cuz thats how I sorta see it... still lean towards occupiers though. :)- jhshukla, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1it's the debate on the primary role.
- lsatkins, on 10/11/2007, -12/+1Are those even real? Shouldn't the right side be the same ratio to the left on all the billboards since they are using the same phone numbers? I can understand the number varying between signs since they probably change as they are travelling from one sign to the other, but I don't think that they can be higher on the left on one sign and lower on the left by that much on another.
Edit: Oh wait a second I get it now...those are in the same place at different times. Disregard what I said then. - canuq, on 10/11/2007, -29/+3Mirror:
http://canuq.com/digg/bbcworldnow/bbc_world_america_ads_2693.jpg- Branden, on 10/11/2007, -5/+25You can shove that advertisement up your ass.
- ninja21, on 10/11/2007, -18/+3it looks like the brits are just a bit on the optimistic side :)
- letelenny, on 10/11/2007, -0/+29Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe that picture is in New York or some other big US city, so its Americans that are optimistic, not Brits.
- Bilbobaggins, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11No I'm pretty sure you're right. Considering that it is the BBC advertising that they're now broadcasting in the US... I think it's pretty obvious... Plus it looks like NYC in the background
- wazzadoin, on 10/11/2007, -11/+2Why is it the same number to text on each billboard?
- FDL1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I think they changed the billboard over time. The buildings surrounding it are the same.
Nevermind, soda0289 beat me to it.
- FDL1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I think they changed the billboard over time. The buildings surrounding it are the same.
- ringokamens, on 10/11/2007, -12/+4Awesome ad campaign. Very provocative. In other news, you won't be able to view their content online if you're using GNU/Linux. Find out more about their use of DRM and proprietary formats (which we all told them not to use in their online survey, but that doesn't matter) and what you can do to stop it at http://www.freethebbc.info. Sign the letter and get the BBC on GNU/Linux!
- JaqMs, on 10/11/2007, -26/+1the results are fake
- meatmcguffin, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15proof?
- MrSlumberjack, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1Your dick is fake
- handsoap, on 10/11/2007, -5/+0oops beaten. nevermind! cool billboards, though.
- waluum, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Interesting results. A wider poll is needed to get a more accurate assessment. Either way, what a clever billboard concept!
- rosewoodtemplar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4@scheissen
"Freest" isn't even a word. Look at it. It even looks moronic. You would have to hyphenate it.... like free-est. And even then, something is free or it isn't. You can't have superlative freedom. - tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Freest is a word, and freer is a word too. Of course you can have superlatives for freedom. If I'm 'free' from jail but have an ankle tag on, you could say someone who didn't was freer than I am. Go buy a dictionary (and reply to the right person too).
- rosewoodtemplar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4@scheissen
- TheLoneWolf071, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14I think we need more posters like these in america.
- letelenny, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1yeah definitely
- Alegoo92, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2Cool!
- m2paper, on 10/11/2007, -15/+3the results are fake
- awinn233, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17Fantastic campaign, now how do I get the BBC world news?
- humanseemer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I listen at home streaming via the web, and in the car it gets rebroadcast on the local college station.
- ISurfTooMuch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Also, you can get it on XM. Sirius might also carry it, but I'm not sure.
As for television, some PBS affiliates will carry a BBC newscast, usually during a late-night time period. And if you happen to get BBC America, it airs news several times a day. - tetranz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I subscribe to it via via RealNetworks for $5.95 per month.
http://europe.real.com/partners/bbcworld_us
Once you work through the idiosyncrasies of Real, its pretty good. I use Real Alternative.
If you have money to burn then there's http://www.jalipo.com or http://www.greengrass.tv
Its free on BBCAmerica from, I think, 7 am to 8 am EST.
The content is very good. Its much more than just headline news. There are lots of interviews and documentaries. - NineKnuckles, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Or you can read BBC World news online, for free! I think they have news-reporters, pretty much, everywhere. Try http://news.bbc.co.uk, but select the 'International version'. From there you can view news related to anywhere on the globe.
- NineKnuckles, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Sos bout the dud link. Try - http://news.bbc.co.uk/
- Scheissen, on 10/11/2007, -11/+3Mob-liberalism at its best!
- alexweej, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1Uh, if they actually ARE using seven-segment displays (as it looks), then... well... they can't be. Check out the "1". It's too thin.
- diggm0nkey, on 10/11/2007, -11/+3The pictures are photoshopped... second picture is missing its left-most window underneath... other small differences between pictures that are more than just camera angle too
- FAT_PIGGY, on 10/11/2007, -12/+3lol they put illegals as citizens.
- rek2, on 10/11/2007, -7/+6hopefully Americans learn from BBC not from Fox news ;-) j/k
even do BBC still needs to get rid of DRM encryption and such
http://www.freethebbc.info just started not long a go for this.. - Motodog, on 10/11/2007, -10/+3What's the deal with the missing window 2'nd picture down, on the left? I smell something fishy.
Smelling Fishy
4357
Smelling Fruity
321- abohling, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Maybe it fell down. These pictures were taken on different days.
- MasterChi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2He's right, look at the windows under the Billboard and in the first, third, and fourth picture the pattern of windows goes like:
Thin window, Big Window, thin, thin, thin, big, thin, thin, thin, big, thin.(11 total windows)
On the second picture it is missing the first Thin Window on the far left of the building so the pattern goes:
Big Window, thin, thin, thin, big, thin, thin, thin, big, thin.(10 total Windows)
Since this is all the same number and a user above said its the same number since it was in the same place at different times then WTF happened to the windows? Did they have 11 windows then a kid knocked out the first window so they bricked over it for a few weeks or months and then when third billboard came out knocked out the bricks and placed the window back?? Doesn't make sense.
I'm not saying this is fake just wondering why there is a missing window now that he brought it up. - rkgford, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Here's an original: http://www.mopocket.com/graphics/_46_171951595_6692ff6317.jpg - someone has clearly edited the images to remove the NAILS ads, etc. It's also much clearer in the original that the displays are large plasmas.
- Motodog, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Thanks rkgford, you can plainly see the photo-chopper edited the numbers.
Great idea for billboard advertisement none the less.
- KnightMareInc, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3thats a great idea, very well done aswell.
- 91tt16, on 10/11/2007, -28/+4Orwell's BBC strikes again.
The choices are so general they force a wedge between people.
This is small mindedness we are fostering.
Only a simpleton would participate in such a farce.- CrimsonBlur, on 10/11/2007, -2/+33Are you serious? You know, it's people like you that really think they're "so much smarter" than everyone else. The entire point of the ad campaign is to make people think! It isn't creating a wedge between anyone, this isn't some kind of official government policy being voted for, it's a billboard ad meant to provoke thought and garner attention. BBC does some quality journalism, so I'm not unhappy with the attention, either.
What is your problem with BBC anyway? They're better than most (all?) of the American 24-hour news broadcasters.
- CrimsonBlur, on 10/11/2007, -2/+33Are you serious? You know, it's people like you that really think they're "so much smarter" than everyone else. The entire point of the ad campaign is to make people think! It isn't creating a wedge between anyone, this isn't some kind of official government policy being voted for, it's a billboard ad meant to provoke thought and garner attention. BBC does some quality journalism, so I'm not unhappy with the attention, either.
- cyphin6, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2Americans seen as Liberators I guess there is hope yet
- spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19Put that billboard up in Iraq and I reckon you'd get a different answer
- M2Ys4U, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2yeah probably "Build us some phone masts so we can send text messages. Or, you know fix the electricity supply, sanitation, healthcare, security..."
- CrimsonBlur, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8This is, by far, the best ad campaign I have ever seen! The title/description definitely do not adequately portray just how awesome and genius this is. I wish the BBC would put these billboards in every major city in the US and post the results from each on the Internet. But not just because the ad campaign is great, but also because I am glad BBC World will be coming to the US, and everyone should watch it.
- thelimopit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1...and the advert has worked.
- grrrrrrrrrrrrrr, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7The most effective propaganda is grounded in the manipulation of false dialectics. Hegel was the Grandaddy of this game:
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm
[snip]
"Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat"
"Hegel is an imperialist con artist who established the principles of dialectical "no-reason." Hegel's dialectic has allowed globalists to lead simple, capable, freeborn men and women back into the superstitious, racist and unreasonable age of imperial global dominance. National governments represent people who are free from imperial controls over private property, trade and production. National governments protect their workers from imperial slavery by protecting the worker's markets. But if you use Hegel's logical Marxism, the only way to protect people from slavery is to become the slave trader, just for a while. Twisted logic is why cons are so successful, and Hegel twisted it in such a way as to be "impenetrable." Like Hegel and Marx, the best street con knows his spiel has to use logic to bend and distort the story, and good cons weave their lies on logical mathematical progression. The fallacy is in the language, not in the math."
Add a powerful picture on the billboard to seize emotions FTW
e.g. The BBC
COMPETENT
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hackstonr/sets/72157600291583999/show/
COMPLICIT
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/270207bbcresponds.htm
Text 'digg' to vote!- grrrrrrrrrrrrrr, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Both the above subjects should have question marks as in:
COMPETENT?
COMPLICIT?
The subject was meant to imply the false dialectic that swirls around the issue of conspiracy, as a '?' is automatically affixed to the word's usage today:
CONSPIRACY? It is that knee-jerk reaction that has charged the word so strongly.
No conspiracy is implied in any of the links.
The forces of the Hegelian dialectic just make the subjectivity of reality spin that much faster and the truth harder to discern.
- grrrrrrrrrrrrrr, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Both the above subjects should have question marks as in:
- Wren5, on 10/11/2007, -9/+2The second one doesn't really make sense to me. Are they supposed to be illegal immigrants? If they are then I don't even see how that's a choice. That's just a matter of definition that an illegal alien is a criminal and not a citizen. That's not any political insight there, it's just the definitions of those two words. If not that, what are they supposed to be? Mexicans you just happen to meet? The ever-present question on people's minds, "what would I do if I met 3 Mexicans at the border in the middle of the desert?!" =P
I don't see it proposing any real controversy here. They don't seem to be showing any controversial area of law or citizenship in the picture. It seems like assessing if those three men are criminals are not should be straightforward, given enough evidence. Their citizenship should also be reasonably easy to confirm or disprove. Maybe something about amnesty or the dry land policy would make more sense.- VeganG, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3If it was illegal aliens, the police wouldn't be looking into it; they'd be looking the other way.
- rosewoodtemplar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I believe that the viewer is supposed to answer the billboard's question as a hypothetical circumstance: eg: which one do you want these people to be, citizens or criminals? That's how it came down to me.
- adeepercut, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2People can't be illegal. They can commit illegal acts. Their existence can't be illegal. Constitution and all that nonsense that we should protect with our lives.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
God damn principles gettin in the way of me an my cash money! - Kozy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3The fact that you're even debating this shows the advert did it's job, it's there to make people think
- thelimopit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5No, it's there to make people watch the BBC.
- The55Gon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1What issue is that last ad representing.. i dont get it :/
- trappleton, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Bird flu.
Which is kind of ridiculous, because it's not a matter of "imminent" or "preventable," it's a matter of "media overhype" and "it's not nearly as big a problem as infant diarrhea" and "all influenzas are avian diseases you idiots."
- trappleton, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Bird flu.
- hardcle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14I love BBC news. It makes the US cable news channels look like a joke. They show some every morning on the BBC America channel. I'd love to be able to get it 24 hours a day.
- trappleton, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3You guys are saying it isn't biased, but it only appears not to be. The only people who'll vote are the people who have an opinion one way or the other, so the numerous people who are unsure or apathetic about, say, China aren't reflected in this ad.
- ISurfTooMuch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13If you're referring to a scientific survey, you are correct. First, as you say, there is self selection, in which only those who are motivated will take part. Then, there's the issue of the randomness of the sample, in that not everyone is exposed to the billboard. There's also the issue of excluding those who don't have cell phones.
But this isn't the point. This isn't meant to be a scientific survey. It's an advertisement, and it's meant to be thought-provoking. At that, I think, it succeeds very nicely. - tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1That's not bias, that's just representation and it happens in normal politics too. The people that don't care one way or another are apathetic, tend not to vote, and therefore don't get their views represented. Essentially it comes down to whoever has a bigger lobbying party on a particular side of the issue. The people in the middle carry on unheard.
- ISurfTooMuch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13If you're referring to a scientific survey, you are correct. First, as you say, there is self selection, in which only those who are motivated will take part. Then, there's the issue of the randomness of the sample, in that not everyone is exposed to the billboard. There's also the issue of excluding those who don't have cell phones.
- mdkoch84, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Just because a majority of people believe something, doesn't mean its truth
- ISurfTooMuch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Indeed, but reality is often framed by opinion. We filter what we see, hear, read, and think through our beliefs and opinions. Just because a majority of people might think that evolution is false doesn't make it so, but it's an important thing to know if you want to interact with them.
- trogdoor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Who claimed otherwise?
- fLUx1337, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12The UK is the only country which can save the US from themself!
Glad the BBC has setup this campain...- 91tt16, on 10/11/2007, -15/+5fLUx1337,
Yes, the USA is in trouble, but...
How can the UK save anyone, when it's own people are drowning in loss of liberty, privacy, and security.
They live in an Orwellian nightmare of shouting CCTV cameras!
1 camera for every 14 people?!
And they don't seem to even see that.
Not to mention it is not even a sovereign nation anymore and will sink ever farther into the EU.
Under Tony Blair, they had an average of 7 new laws per day, many were hundreds of pages.
•••YOU don't know what these laws are•••
YOU will never know what was in these laws until they are used against you, and they will be.
To be sure, you brits actually think that what the USA MSM pukes fourth reflects what the people care about.
It's your own MSM telling you that, ironically.
If you think you're in better mental shape than Americans, then the BBC has done it's job.
I see articles every day that make me want to cry for the people of the UK. - extols, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Why do people seem to think that CCTV is such a bad thing? Bear in mine these cameras are not in your house but in public places, so they are not "an invasion of privacy". If I (or anyone I know for that matter) was walking down a dark street late at night, I would like to know that there is someone there who is watching out for us who could alert the police at a moments notice, just in case.
- bobtcat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1wrong place.
- joeydoo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7The cameras worked well when we wanted to find the people who did the London bombings a few years back. We were able to track them right from when they parked their car, which was in another part of the country.
It's not like they can see into our houses. People in the UK generally don't care about them.. they are in public...
We don't have any less 'freedom' than America. Actually we probably have more. We can say anything on our TV and if some boobs fall out or some streaker runs out at a sporting event, it's funny, not the end of the world. It's always funny when an American guest comes on a chat show here. EVERY time their mouth always falls to floor when the presenter says ***** or something... then they proceed to swear all over the place.. like they are suddenly set free. :P - gerjomarty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0If you haven't done anything wrong and have nothing to hide in that sense, then you have absolutely nothing to fear from CCTV cameras, and everything to gain.
- 91tt16, on 10/11/2007, -15/+5fLUx1337,
- 91tt16, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2crimsonblur,
•you said: "it's a billboard ad meant to provoke thought and garner attention."
Who is it reaching that has not thought about these subjects? A homeless bum?
Why would they launch an expensive, international, interactive multi-billboard campaign to merely remind us of the existence of WEDGE issues that we hear about everyday?
Is it because the BBC thinks it has a system that is better than normal polling?
•you said about BBC: "They're better than most (all?) of the American 24-hour news broadcasters"
To quote a great scholar, That's like saying you're the smartest kid with down syndrome.
•you act like my comment is so off, and yet you + the bury brigade are here doing the BBC's bidding and digging down many insightful opinions. So much for you wanting your thoughts provoked. I am watching legitimate observations about these windows get buried alarmingly quick. This is what inspired Orwell to write 1984.
I know you've been conditioned to take offense whenever someone questions your rulers, but:
•if you can't see these pics have been drastically altered, you don't deserve eyes.
If you think these numbers are legit, then:
•why don't they even come close to the real polls?
•why do we have at least one case of a person who got 2 responses for 1 vote?
••could it be possible that they count some votes twice? *gasp* - dropoutfilms, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I voted in the 'illegal immigrant' poll for this billboard when it first when up... Summer 06 around Times Square.
- techmaster7b, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3Great advertisement, but incorrect numbers.
- hiklan, on 10/11/2007, -8/+6Lack of bias my ass
- scratt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Careful analysis of the numbers will show you very clearly the demographic who like / have the time to text into these services.
The top picture and the numbers make me very sad. I have to say I was more relieved when I looked at the other three pictures and their numbers. - GangsterCompute, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Where were/are these billboards located?
- potp, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Dugg for BBC. the only news channel that actually shows news these days. But i do kind of miss the DD cuped bimbos of fox sometimes.
- stakepie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They're just as controlled as the others.
- fragsta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3So as a Brit, I wonder if I have the right to vote on this poll...
- petedee, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Ah good ol' Auntie finally taking on the US of A. I don't think the BBC is by any means perfect but I think it does a much better job of report than any of the US stations (although CNN isn't too bad) although its government funded they seem to have a free reign and usually steer far away from the sensationalist stuff that you get on our other news network in the UK ITN (FYI thats Independant Television News) I don't think its anywhere near perfect but if you combine it with more "free" press from the likes of Digg etc then it does its job rather well :)
- tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6BBC is very good, but I think ITN and Channel 4 are also good. I think it comes from the fact that TV news in the UK is very heavily regulated to ensure that time isn't spent on rubbish and that it is absolutely as unbias as possible (in that respect the BBC is regulated separately to commercial stations).
- bobtcat, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4Has the BBC put up a UK version of this since '06? Dealing with UK issues. Y'know. Your own country. Where the Prime Minister is currently lobbying to prevent you from accessing places like Digg.
The MSM uses Paris Hilton to distract the masses in the US. The UK MSM uses America. Second verse, same as the first.- tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Are you serious? Seriously? He doesn't want chinese style censorship or to 'shut down places like digg'. ***** off with your sensationalist ***** (ironically, with people like you posting, you're exactly the problem he spoke about).
He was referring to the 24 hour news services and by extension, the websites of news agencies. - bobtcat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Yeah, I'm a problem. I need to be taken care of. My comment was so outrageous, I shouldn't be allowed to post it.
- tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Are you serious? Seriously? He doesn't want chinese style censorship or to 'shut down places like digg'. ***** off with your sensationalist ***** (ironically, with people like you posting, you're exactly the problem he spoke about).
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