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Battling The Online Bullies

news.bbc.co.uk — Cyber-bullying used to involve sending threatening texts or e-mails, but the class of 2008 are finding social networks to be a fertile, and occasionally dangerous breeding ground, as Ian Hardy found out.

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  • WiseWeasel, on 06/29/2008, -1/+76You put them on your blocklist, and spend your time worrying about the real problems in your life.
    • Pixelante, on 06/30/2008, -14/+6No. You dedicate yourself to find out the real identities of those *****, then you beat them up. You break your bones. You snap their sinews. Maim! Torture! Horribly disfigure! Shove bamboo splinters under their fingernails, slice their skin with rusted razor blades, set them on fire, put the fire off and set them on fire again! Use the maximum unreasonable amount of violence. Nothing less is acceptable.
    • fr3ddie, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4or go for a freaking bike ride... sheesh!
      • trollhunter, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1Oh god, no. Kids can't ride bikes anymore.

        One: most of them are too uncoordinated to balance on a moving bike. They do much better on an office chair. Two wheels are simply not enough.

        Two: most of them are too fat and lazy to ride bikes. Most bikes cannot take the strain of carrying the weight of an "average" kid these days. Won't someone think of the bicycles??7?

        Three: they have nowhere to go.

        Four: Mummy and Daddy are too paranoid to let their precious progeny take a risk like: going outside; operating a simple machine; putting themselves in the path of the billions (yes, BILLIONS!!! News at six) of evil pedos who comb the streets looking for the last few remaining victims out there...

        Five: it would take them away from the obviously super-important things in life like looking at porn, playing online games and self-promotion on "look-at-me" social networking sites.

        Six: we need these kids to populate and inflate the appearance of extremely important social movements like "anonymous" /sarc
    • qwertydvorak, on 06/30/2008, -0/+6the ad council / government is doing their part:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seOQyMvG99w
  • hollywoodphony, on 06/29/2008, -1/+33Jeez. These kids today and their rock music.
  • santa7, on 06/29/2008, -7/+34All of these problems are due to 4Chan, hurray!
    • bbqsalad, on 06/30/2008, -1/+6Not really, More due to vast amount of ignorance seen in kids today. They have nothing going for them except a world going to *****. Most teenage boys I know are full of rage at the world and have this uncontrollable urge to call people "*****". I blame the gov, parents, school, *hiphop* (pop), MTV and society. These are the people who will be running the country someday.


      -grandpa.
  • TWXM, on 06/30/2008, -0/+48"There are no checks and balances by our internet providers such as MySpace or Facebook." Since when was MySpace an ISP?
    • PawFox, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2It says "Internet Providers " - Not "Internet Service Providers"... Still misleading
      • drgirlfriend, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1'Internet provider'?? Did anyone under the age of 50 write this article? I wonder.
    • BrendaJPreston, on 07/28/2008, -0/+0
      We can never make bullies and sexual predators go away. We need to create laws to address this and then we have to enforce them. Until then, it is up to all of us to do all we can to protect our children while they are online. When I became aware of everything my son was subjected to online, I did some research and found an age appropriate socially responsible website for children ages 5-18. This site requires a child's school verify his or her identification before they can become a member. This site is content monitored, cyber bullying controlled, even has tutoring available. All the employees must have a level 2 background check. This site is free to its users. The site for parents, teachers, law enforcement is www.safewave.org and the site for children is www.iland5.com
  • ericnicolaas, on 06/30/2008, -0/+46"There needs to be a system in place where a parent would log a child in using a parent's credit card."

    Great. Make the internet exclusively for those with credit cards.
    • benologist, on 06/30/2008, -9/+2They should just give everyone some unique token like their own ipv6 address or something that can be used by authorities to identify them if they're being jerkoffs on the net. Basically license plates for internet users.
      • paidhima, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3The problem with an idea like that is that any kind of online ID is still inherently anonymous. A license plate corresponds to a car (with associated VIN) and a person. It's easy to tell if that license plate is being used correctly. An online ID wouldn't correspond to anything unless the entire Internet were government regulated and controlled.
    • Pantheran, on 06/30/2008, -0/+6Did anyone else notice that this guy's basic argument was "this girl was beaten in real life, facebook should really do something about that." Would the beating just not have happened if they couldn't upload the video to the internet? I certainly see a problem here, but it's not the internet.

      Still, there is one great quote from this horrid, fear-mongering article: "There is no risk of any open communication in our environment." I certainly agree on that point.
      • sabroskie, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2(PEBKAC)
        Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
      • widgetmaker, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1That particular service does have its place though. Providing vetted content for really young kids isn't a bad thing, do they really need to be able to stuble across the likes of 4chan or for that matter any forum. These places aren't designed for young kids just as 18films or games aren't.
        When a kid is old enough to understnad the content they'd see else where, well they'rer probably old enough to find out how to get round any restrictions.
    • helgers7, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1Sounds like this guy wants the internet to cease being one of the few places where Free Speech actually exists. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of what the kids did, but once you start "regulating" content, it's a pretty slippery slope.
    • BrendaJPreston, on 07/28/2008, -0/+0
      We can never make bullies and sexual predators go away. We need to create laws to address this and then we have to enforce them. Until then, it is up to all of us to do all we can to protect our children while they are online. When I became aware of everything my son was subjected to online, I did some research and found an age appropriate socially responsible website for children ages 5-18. This site requires a child's school verify his or her identification before they can become a member. This site is content monitored, cyber bullying controlled, even has tutoring available. All the employees must have a level 2 background check. This site is free to its users. The site for parents, teachers, law enforcement is http://www.safewave.org and the site for children is http://www.iland5.com
  • MasterTroll, on 06/30/2008, -3/+23I have hidden a bomb somewhere in this thread. I'm taking all of you down with me.
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    • AlexanderZero, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4NOOO! Not my cyber universe!
    • fLUx1337, on 06/30/2008, -0/+9You will never take me, I have a back button!! Mwahahahhaha
  • jiqiren, on 06/30/2008, -4/+28welcome to the internet you F'ing crybabies…
    • Pixelante, on 06/30/2008, -6/+2You do realize that those episodes are exactly the kind of stuff the fuels the arguments of those who want the internet tightly controlled, do you?
    • qetuo, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2I have a idea how about all authorities, get there hands out of the internet, they are not wanted and don't belong there. Oh and if the ISP could stop keeping my data and selling it that would be great.
      • Pixelante, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2Unfortunately, the authorities decide where they belong and they have decided long ago that they don't have to ask for your permission. In fact, you have to do exactly what they tell you to do or else.
  • Nero9171, on 06/30/2008, -0/+20Someone needs to give me their milk money
    • Pixelante, on 06/30/2008, -3/+0You'll have my milk plus money over my dead body, droog.
  • SniperZero, on 06/30/2008, -0/+23oh my gawd... a convo between a friend(boy) and his friend (girl).
    girl: this guy is really bothering me i think he is a pedophile
    boy: well laugh at him just say a bunch of random ***** then block him
    girl: no that would be mean
    boy: ....
    *girl has been blocked*

    Seriously.. just block them its not hard.. its not like the sites don't have a block feature or programs. Even digg has a block feature...
  • eliburford, on 06/30/2008, -0/+7Hmm, the picture doesn't appear to be related to cyber-bullying.
    • thegodfaza, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3It should show a couple of 1's picking on a 0 since he is "vertically challenged".
  • SaladCactusKing, on 06/30/2008, -4/+38Let's give another round of applause to the media for creating an anti-internet ***** because of that dumb kid that hung herself when she got dumped by a pretend online boyfriend. Ugh
    • dynelol, on 06/30/2008, -2/+2I want that girl to die a second time.
  • Syphon8, on 06/30/2008, -1/+24Every time someone in real life seriously says "cyber bully" near me, I laugh in their face.
  • cerealjynx, on 06/30/2008, -1/+11Internet lesson #1
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h. ...
  • beankitty, on 06/30/2008, -2/+6Yet another "O RLY" moment. What's up with these lame "articles" taking up space on my digg widget?
    • dynelol, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1It's important that we fight for our right to troll and it's also important that the world be less sensitive.
  • buckchoris, on 06/30/2008, -3/+3My guess is that most of these cyber bullies are Nerds and are just pussies in real life just showing their anger online.
  • anchor, on 06/30/2008, -1/+15Kids today are too god damn sensitive.

    • Pixelante, on 06/30/2008, -1/+3That's because kids today have led a sheltered life. Their goddamn helicopter parents do not allow them to do anything dangerous. They can't own a hunting knife, they can't own flare pistols, they're not allowed to experiment with homemade explosives.
  • ih2000, on 06/30/2008, -5/+1"Cyber-bullies can hide behind anonymous internet accounts, and they do not need big muscles, just the ability to type."

    No, you also need computer knowledge. The ability to type lets you write a letter.
    • drakia, on 06/30/2008, -1/+8You're a ***** idiot. You don't need ANY computer knowledge to bully someone online (And by bully, I mean say mean things to, because that's what "cyberbullying" is), it's just words typed up on some lameass site like "MySpace" or "Nexopia." Then the kid goes and cries to his parents because he's been raised as a ***** pussy like most kids these days.
      • ih2000, on 06/30/2008, -3/+1They are talking about using anonymous internet accounts and implying that typing is the only skill needed for that.

        You clearly cannot read and/or think rationally.

        Try to keep the rage under control.
      • qetuo, on 06/30/2008, -1/+1Or i have an idea delete your profile or whatever, that would work.
      • drakia, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2@ih2000
        Yeah, because you definately need to use some sort of uber proxy while harassing someone so you don't get tracked down by CSI. By "Anonymous internet account" I'm assuming they mean you can sign up with whatever ***** name you want on whatever ***** site you want, *****. They also refer to MySpace as an "Internet Provider," so if you think they are referring to anything technical in any sense in this article, you're a ***** moron.
  • AlexanderZero, on 06/30/2008, -0/+5Now that everyone is using the internet it comes as a surprise that this place is cruel and elitist? HA! They should have tried using it five years ago!
  • psion01, on 06/30/2008, -1/+14The interesting thing about "cyber-bullying" is the similarities it shares with real bullying. It lacks the physical confrontations, but all the social consequences of getting on the wrong side of a particular crowd are present. However, cyber-bullying is more visible than the old fashioned kind, giving others the opportunity to see exactly the exchanges that are taking place. Cyber-bullies leave a nice, neat, digital trail that others can follow. This visibility makes cyber-bullies a choice target for nanny-state types who think the power of government can cure all social ills.

    I hate to fall in with the "oh just suck it up crowd" but learning to fend for yourself in the face of this kind of social onslaught is an important part of growing up. As is dealing with the guilt that comes with eventually realizing one's caused suffering in others.
    • AlexanderZero, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1It's quite possible for anonymous gossip to happen in real life. It's happened to me without my even knowing (until I was told much, much later). It's not a big deal in my opinion. Anyone who believes things about someone without hearing it from them personally isn't their friend in the first place.
    • SaladCactusKing, on 06/30/2008, -0/+5Is it that hard to just ***** log off or click "Report to Admins" or whatever? Jesus.

      Children and teenagers have always been despicable to each other. Internet or not, nothing's really changed.
    • paidhima, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1The whole idea of the cyber-bully is an excellent example of why the Internet is different from real life. Too many people, not understanding exactly how the Internet works, simply assume it's a digital version of the outside world and try to apply real world rules and etiquette. It flat out does not work.
      • psion01, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3It doesn't work because there are no direct consequences to offensive behavior online. Combine that with a complete lack of the non-vocal cues we normally use when we're talking to someone such as body posture and facial expressions, and it's very easy for tempers to flare or imagine that someone is saying something much more harshly than they actually intend.

        Clifford Stohl, in his book "Silicon Snake Oil" (an anti-internet diatribe that reminded me of gramps complaining about kids on his grass), compared the phenomenon to road rage, drawing a parallel between the way people communicate via the Internet with the way they casually hurl invectives and flip each other off while driving.

        I don't know if it's the lack of a critical component of communications (body language and vocal inflection), or the lack of consequences to being rude (such as a good, old-fashioned bloodied nose), but people today are faced with learning whole new ways to cope with each other.
      • paidhima, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1I think the entire thing can be summoned up in one word: anonymity. It's John Gabriel's Greater Internet ***** Theory: Normal person + an audience + anonymity = *****.
  • noahgelman, on 06/30/2008, -3/+20Cyber bullying only exists for retards who cant't click "Block"
    Buried
    • Halsfield, on 06/30/2008, -4/+2"A group of Florida teenagers filmed the beating of Victoria Lindsay on mobile phones to post on to the internet."

      try clicking block on that, did you even read the article?
      • MeatPlow, on 06/30/2008, -1/+7Couldn't she just block the punches?
      • bbqsalad, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2"I would get messages on IM [Instant Messenger] and they would be 'you're really mean' or 'you're ugly', until I just couldn't take it any more," says Ralph who was also a victim of cyber-bullying. ... Ralph should be put out of his missery.
      • SpencerMc, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2That was just bullying. The cyber part was superfluous.
    • my10cent, on 06/30/2008, -0/+0Where is your pride dude? you can't just ignore your problems
  • jessehadden, on 06/30/2008, -1/+10"There needs to be a system in place where a parent would log a child in using a parent's credit card."

    Why is this always the answer? It isn't, and shouldn't, be the responsibility of a web site or an ISP to be a surrogate parent. Why don't we have a system in place where a parent would log a child in... period?
    • chiefbandit2200, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3Agreed. Plus not everybody has a credit card.
    • larissa13, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1Hours and hours are wasted away with kids on the Internet, updating their My Space & Facebook pages. No parents monitoring what they are posting either. Its quite shocking to see some of the pictures and posts on these sites by people under the age of 21. Believe me, parental involvement is not taking place. The Internet is the babysitter, the harmless distraction that keeps kids occupied. I do not advocate cyber bullies but parents should be more involved in their childs Internet activities.
  • PussInBoots, on 06/30/2008, -2/+10Kids these days are way too ***** sensitive about stupid *****...
    Dont want to get random IM messages? Well then do not flash screen name on myspace page.
    • qetuo, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4Or how about not having profile pages, or blogs, and only having people that you know on your im list. I know it is shocking only talking to people that you actually know.
      • stupidStan, on 06/30/2008, -0/+6This concept has seemed to be lost somehow? Apparently it isn't as easy as it seems to block people on the internet... all of the 'block user' buttons on EVERY site must just be for show?
      • poppacherry, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2yeah, god forbid they actually communicate and express themselves in person...
  • tdave365, on 06/30/2008, -0/+10Why is it called "bullying". Isn't what the article describes more like "cyber-harrassment"?

    Instant credibility loss on pure mis-use of terminology.
    • poppacherry, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1you have to understand, this is the out of touch media. half the ***** parents who read these sort of melodramatic/ fear mongering articles would have no clue what "cyber harassment" means.
  • Halsfield, on 06/30/2008, -2/+5"A group of Florida teenagers filmed the beating of Victoria Lindsay on mobile phones to post on to the internet."

    beating someone up in RL and taping it to put on the internet to humiliate the person? wtf
  • Olivaise, on 06/30/2008, -0/+7If someone can't handle harassment via internet, then I'd hate to see how they'd handle it in reality.
  • rentmitchum, on 06/30/2008, -3/+5***** that, I'd beat the ***** out of those fags with my Internet Toughguy trophy... *****... fag.
  • wolfdog1, on 06/30/2008, -0/+8Cyber-bullying is not something that just kids go through. Many adults are also victim of cyber-bullying, some even to a higher degree such as being threatened at work, getting fired from work because of "tips" given by cyber-bullies, businesses getting bad raps because of said cyber-bullies... the list goes on. Its not just a teen and kid thing. Anyone with the internet can be a victim of cyber-bullying.
    • Haoie, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2Actually yes, especially for those people working in, say, IT service or help desk type industries.
    • 4madeus, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4One of my pals used to sell computers using free online classified ads and one day he sold this machine to some idiot who wanted to overclock a 368 mhz PC to play Quake on. He warned him not to, but the idiot did it anyway, burned out the CPU, and blamed him for selling him a bad PC, then smeared his reputation connected to his username on the site in question.

      My pal posts anonymously now.
  • stupidStan, on 06/30/2008, -2/+3Hey, there has got to be a writer on Digg somewhere, write this article:
    "'Cyber-Pussy' Numbers Among Teens Increasing at an Alarming Level"

    People used to have real problems, now they kill themselves over comments on MySpace...
    • Halsfield, on 06/30/2008, -1/+1you did read one of the incidents listed in the article was a group of kids beating up another kid and posting it on the internet to humiliate the kid right?

      illiteracy numbers among diggers increasing at an alarming level
      • stupidStan, on 06/30/2008, -0/+5Yes, I read that. I consider that actually bullying.

        If I come to your house and diarrhea on your carpet, it is not 'cyber-diarrhea', it is the real deal.

        Also, if you are going to bag on my 'illiteracy' you might want to work a little on your capitalization and punctuation.
      • Halsfield, on 07/02/2008, -1/+0mmm yes, because when someone beats you up in real life and then posts it up on every video site on the web, thats simply physical bullying. No internet there! no emotional or social issues there either.

        The "jedi kid" or "lightsaber kid" that had his video posted up everywhere had to move schools, sued the kids who did it, and had to go through therapy, and he did something cool. Now try the same thing, only with getting your ass beat instead of simply something mildly humilating.

        your name really is prophetic.
  • MeatPlow, on 06/30/2008, -7/+3I farted on the set of Blue Lagoon.
  • Kmap, on 06/30/2008, -1/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM
  • poppacherry, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2lol these kind of articles always amuse me. what social networking site won't allow users to block or restrict access to their page?
  • PatrickFlorida, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1"...and occasionally dangerous breeding ground, as Ian Hardy found out."
    Who's Ian Hardy?
    • SpencerMc, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1For real, they list all these names like they should mean something to us, and tell us nothing of what happened save that they were the "victim of cyber-bullying".
      This article is contentless.
  • qbthemc, on 06/30/2008, -0/+7I am a net thug 4 life.
    • bbqsalad, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2***** you bitch your a nub lol and you have chicken legs give me your shoes
      • qbthemc, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1*calls cops*
      • lAmoebal, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1Why not just get a phone tracing system, curtains, and a dog?
  • ceraphin, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1another excuse to end internet anonymity, please grow some if you're that affected by a puss that can't say something to your face then you probably deserve the bullying
  • Realnemesis, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1Stop being a bitch and say what you have to say in the 'real' world..
  • spatty, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2simple way to get rid of someone you dont like on the internet:
    /block
    theres almost no socialising website/program where you CANT block somebody.

    why not make your own "anonnymous" account and go bully them back XD
  • godmode, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2Become an hero.
  • identitymatrix, on 06/30/2008, -0/+3All the flaming online is a side effect of so many new people getting on the Internet in such a short time period. Lots of people are still connecting to the internet for the first time everyday, and so the internet is continuously giving new people easy access anonymous speech, and their first reactions will be to abuse it. At the internet matures, and the amount of time of the average internet user increases, the majority of people will probably grow tired of random flames and so the attacks will die down. They'll still be able to randomly attack people anonymously, but it will lose its novelty and will be looked down upon.

    Or at least that is what I'm hoping. I could be wrong, and humans just haven't evolved to the point where they can handle anonymous speech responsibly.
  • bbqsalad, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4Anyone who takes people name-calling on the internet serious deserves to feel like *****. It is never ever going to stop, You will never be able to stop people from being anon so deal with it.
  • Nelka, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2I thought this article would focus more on cyber-bullying used by those who already know you in real life, and simply use the internet as an extension to reach their victims at home.

    The kind of bullying that takes place in a chat room with strangers is sort of a non-issue. You just ignore the person and move on. But I can see how if your classmates are all taking part to contact you or spread rumors about you on the internet, how that can be a lot more damaging.
  • MasterPain, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2"educators hope that they can teach teens and children about the perils of the internet using a comic book featuring Spider Girl and the Hulk, who both learn how to handle online aggression and provocation."
    Hulk SMASH INTERNET PROVOCATION!
  • bluezombie, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1No no no ... the Spider Girl vs Hulk comic is for Health class!
  • asdfva, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4How about... Don't raise your kids to be assholes.

    Then you won't have anonymous haters flexing on
    other people. This, like most all issues, is a matter
    of what a person decides to do... not what the internerd
    allowed them to do. Administrators and authoritarians
    are always, obviously, quick to blame anyone and
    anything other than themselves and the people
    responsible. Blame video games, blame the
    internet, blame drugs, blame the schools...

    When it all boils down to it... We should be blaming
    the assholes who do bad ***** and work to educate
    new parents on the dangers of allowing their
    children to become assholes.

    But seriously... I blame the internet.
    • dynelol, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1What about comedy? The internet would be devoid of it without assholes.
  • welliwonder, on 06/30/2008, -1/+0it's called shoving a gun in their face and telling them "I suggest you knock it off.". They'll usualy piss their pants and never bug you again. ;)
  • Samurai77, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2Yea that's right Sheriff Grady Judd, we need more laws and regulations, not better parenting, Oh no, no one ever says how ***** up the parents are. Ignorance of tech is NO excuse, go to class if you can't keep up with the kids!

    • dynelol, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1How do you propose that better parenting be forced?
  • DxunOrdo, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1Buried for being retarded
  • UnleashX, on 06/30/2008, -0/+0Anyone who gets bullied online deserves it. It's so damn easy to block/ignore people.

    Why is it so hard for adults to understand how the internet works. Every time anyone over 40 writes an article about anything online-related you get articles that make no sense with missused internet terms and "cyber-" thrown in front of everything.
  • Foamator, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2FTA: "I would get messages on IM [Instant Messenger] and they would be 'you're really mean' or 'you're ugly', until I just couldn't take it any more," says Ralph who was also a victim of cyber-bullying.

    Wow, harsh words there.
    How could "you're really mean" or "you're ugly" even bother anyone?
  • t4m5t3r, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1im sorry but if you get bullied over the internet, then YOU ARE ALLOWING IT, simple as that,i mean just say it out loud,

    "Online bullying"

    WTF are you retarded, seriously? bullied over the net? if you let it happen then you deserve it for being a useless c*nt, sorry but its ridiculous, you do relise that if things keep going the way they are, i could cryogenically freeze myself and come back 20-30 years into the future AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD, as by that time it'll be a entire poplution of little whinny little pussys, i mean seriously,


    Now i take GREAT offense to this *****, i WAS bullied at school, you know REAL bullying when they kick you to the ground and stamp on your head, the solution, get a big stick and beat the first one you see into a pulp
  • booksnmore4you, on 06/30/2008, -1/+1Cyber-bullying - oh, yea, it's also called "Wikipedia".
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