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Canadian Industry Minister Lies About Canadian DMCA on Radio

boingboing.net — CBC Radio's Search Engine just posted/aired its interview with Canadian Industry Minister Jim Prentice about his Canadian version of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. You have to listen to this -- in it, the Minister lies, dodges, weaves and ducks around plain, simple questions.

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  • artfuldodga, on 06/19/2008, -1/+52I'll play this recording back to him, if I ever get sued.
    • artfuldodga, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/searchengine_20080619_63 ...
    • Komodork, on 06/20/2008, -0/+9"the only one who can prosecute you is the creator of the work because they are initiating the lawsuit" so this basically means that the artist can sue you not the government. I think we are safe?
      • Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5huh no. "Creator" is quite an englobing term. "real" creators of a work can easily give permission to anyone to sue you on their behalf and it would still be considered to be coming from them.

        So in fact, you can be prosecuted by pretty much anyone who has a claim on the work...
      • Apocrypha, on 06/20/2008, -0/+10Hmm, I think some other entity like the RIAA is more likely to sue people "on behalf" of the artist. Nevermind that the RIAA has never given one cent to any artists.
  • n0th1ng, on 06/19/2008, -0/+107What a joke and embarrassment to us Canadians.
    • Apocrypha, on 06/20/2008, -0/+11But it is not at all surprising because US lobbyists paid for this law and their lapdog, Prentice, is all too happy to pretend it's a good thing. The conservatives are fooling a lot of people because they, like the rethuglicans in the US, keep secrets so nobody can complain and call them on their retrograde lunacy.
    • chamberlanderic, on 06/20/2008, -13/+3...they are so many things that embarrassed me to be Canadian
    • secrity, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Now you know how us Americans feel.
    • slogged, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2They'll be punished next election, don't worry. It's unlikely this will make it through the Liberal senate anyways. With the ***** we're creating over this the next government won't go near it.
  • Chaoticfist, on 06/20/2008, -6/+36What a joke. I have had enough of Harper and the Tories. I want an election. If Barack Obama does not win in the USA then he is welcome to try here. I use to like some of the stuff harper was doing but i can not vote for him when i consider the damage this bill will do and also the fact that it is just a minority goverment. Imagine how they would act if it was a majority goverment *shudders*
    • FPlus, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5Ya, no call for the tories after this crap. The worst of it is that most people don't know about bill C 61. Bill C 51 is another load of crap. I will never vote for the Tory Trixters. I sent an email off to my member of parliament and encourage other Canadians to do so as well.
    • aidave, on 06/20/2008, -0/+11Ditto. The Conservatives were ok when they started, but then began to get power-hungry and arrogant. ***** them.
      • Aethirig, on 06/20/2008, -0/+5Ditto, again. It's time for the Tories to go. Harper and his cronies can go die a failure.
      • Cam_86, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Bull *****... The way they govern now, is EXACTLY how they acted as opposition. The problem with our democracy(and america's) is there are too many ***** idiots who buy into the campaign ads. The conservative ads last election said harper would bring pride and transparency to Canada, and push for more sovereignty. As opposition party though, in just about every issue, they sided with american interests, and released dozens of secret documents on how to deal with liberal votes.

        The people who say harper seemed like a good politician prior to winning the election are actually dumber then those who thought bush was a good politician prior to the '00 election. At least they can use the 'well i thought he would change for national politics' excuse. Harper has always been a tool. As leader of the opposition, and even running for his own parties leadership. He actually called Canada a nation of ambition-less losers(speech to a right-wing washington think-tank, as leader of the opposition) when it was clear gay marriage was going to pass. Thats the kind of ***** you guys voted for. Man up and admit you made a mistake from the start, by being to ignorant towards the issues in the last election, and the leaders personality traits.
        • SpongeBad, on 06/20/2008, -2/+3Given the corruption in all the parties in Canada (and I get that corruption is not limited to Canada, but that's the subject at hand here), I think it's imperative that regardless who's in power, they be in power as a minority only.

          The Liberals and Conservatives are all a bunch of crooks, and the NDP are a bunch of hippies who have grand ideas and no way to pay for them.

          Sigh. I feel so screwed.
    • BoneheadFarker, on 06/20/2008, -1/+7You forget that Harper is a fake Tory. This is not the PC party anymore. This is the Reform party painted blue. While I didn't like the ideals of the PC party, I like the ideals of this new Conservative party even less...
      • Cam_86, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4Yeah... They took the 'progressive' out of the progressive conservatives. Who would have thought that would have ***** up their dynamic for canadian politics(one of the most socially and economically progressive countries in the world)

        Joe Clark as leader of the PC's walked in gay pride parades. Harper as leader of the Conservative party actively campaigns on taking away gay rights. Joe Clark supported socialized medicine and fought to keep two tiered systems out of the country. Harper views a two tiered system as a stop gap for his ultimate goal of total privatization of the medical sector.

        These crooks won because they weren't the Liberals, and were the 2end largest party prior to the Liberal's *****-up. Instead of realizing this and governing the to centre, they take it as people supporting their platform, even when polling shows most canadians are ideologically opposed to their policy's.
      • Xondar, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4This is nothing like the Reform Party. In Western Canada, the Reform Party was a grassroots movement that just wanted Ottawa to listen to other parts of Canada other than Ontario and Quebec.

        Much of the policies under Preston Manning were populist in nature. In fact, one reason why they were such an effective opposition party is because the Liberal government under Chretien often stole their policies when he knew they were good or popular with Canadians.

        No, this new pro-American, neo-liberal beast has as little in common with the Reform Party as it does with the Progressive Conservatives.
    • Syphon8, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2And if he does, I hope out next PM is as much of a puppet to the him as Harper is to Bush.
  • Komodork, on 06/20/2008, -1/+31he got paid under the table to get this bill up, what else do you think. he probably never even read it yet- that's why he is dodging it.
    • graemee, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4I agree. The media industry has been meddling in this for years.
  • TheKoopaBros, on 06/20/2008, -3/+20What a joke this deluded man is. He, his conservative government and his policies make me shamed that such a system can operate in my country.
    • Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -6/+2What system? You mean capitalism?

      And this is not a Conservative vs Liberal issue, don't stoop as low as Americans with their petty politico. The Harper government is hardly in position to pass such a law by themselves, if it goes through every party sitting in parliament is to blame.

      The "system" is there for you to abuse too, and if there is something that your elected officials like more than free money from the music industry, it's to keep their jobs (so that they can get more money from shady ass backward businesses). So put your mouth where your heart seems to be, and fire them a letter or give them a call.
  • seanmx, on 06/20/2008, -36/+2pshh...Canada.
  • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -0/+9Will this protect the tubes?
  • jlab, on 06/20/2008, -22/+2But I thought Canada was perfect especially compared to the US?!?!?!?!?!? My world is turned upside down.
    • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -16/+2It's perfect if you like really high taxes, expensive everything and free health care (if you can find a doctor). http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNew ...
      • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -0/+9In all fairness, it has it's differences from the US... very strict gun control (this means safety to most people, hunting weapons are easy enough to get). Medical marijuana is widely accepted. Natural disasters are rare. Social programs are reasonably good. Bare breasts are legal in Ontario. Drinking age is 18-19 depending on Province. Cool, distinctive accent.
        • Rikkochet, on 06/20/2008, -2/+3Canadian accent == American accent == European food.
          Our countries span an entire continent. There's certainly no one accent.
        • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3I am Canadian. I live in the US. There is a Canadian accent although most Canadians are unaware of it. I'm not suggesting that Canadians talk funny or that the American accent is the right one, I'm just saying that Canadians say some words differently from Americans and although it is subtle, it is obvious to Americans.

          Specifically, Americans pronounce "Out" like "owe-t" while Canadians pronounce it the way Americans say "oat". So to Canadians it is not obvious, but Americans hear "oat". Canadians notice this accent in East Coasters, but to Americans the accent is audible (to a lesser extent) in those who live west of New Brunswick. Any words that include "out" are affected by this accent: About, Shout...etc.

          There are some other speech elements that are distinctly Canadian, but this is the main one.
      • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -5/+2You can digg me down because I dissed Canada, but I'm still right. If you think I'm wrong then I'd like to know why.
      • DryMaltExtract, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5Sure, I'll bite.

        We pay higher taxes to cover evil socialist things like healthcare. You pay premiums to private firms that is larger than what we pay in our taxes.

        Everything is expensive? Most products cost the same up here as they do down there. The fact that your dollar hit the ***** got this into motion.

        It's quite easy to find a family doctor, read the damn article, many people aren't even looking for one. Who the hell needs a family doctor anyway? I sure as hell don't. Most people use walk-in clinics because they're minor issues. The only people who need a family doctor are those with ongoing problems that have to be addressed by the same person who would be up to speed.

        There were times our gun controls were looser, we still had far fewer murders than you could even hope to achieve. Americans are the reason other Americans get shot, not easy access to weapons.
        • BoneStamp, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1I've done the math on Canadian health care and other services provided by significantly higher income taxes vs US private health care and you're wrong (assuming you work for a Company in the US that has coverage equal to a Canadian employer). It is structured very differently, but Canadians pay a lot of money for government workers to administer things that a private company can do much more efficiently (look at government run insurance in Saskatchewan if you need a Canadian example of these things done right).

          If you think that things in Canada cost the same as the US then you're crazy! I have been visiting Canada for the last week. I'll give you my short list of things that are noticeably more expensive in Canada: cars, gas, cell phone service, alcohol - by a lot (bars and retail), food - groceries and restaurants including fast food...etc. Even if the sticker price is the same, the sales tax is at least double in Canada (except for Alberta which has no PST). The only things that I can tell cost about the same are: cameras (the one thing that is cheaper in Canada - and have longer warranties in Canada), televisions, underwear, electricity (aka "Hydro" in Ontario... even though very little Ontario power is generated from Hydro dams).

          Health care in Canada sucks. Seriously. If you think it is good then you've never been to a Doctor, walk-in clinic or hospital in the US. The talent of the doctors and nurses is not necessarily better in the US, but the people treat you like they actually want you to enjoy your experience so that you'll return (short waits, they do not rush you out for the next patient, you can visit a specialist without a process). I guess the one thing that is better about the health care in Canada is the price, but if you have a good job in the US and your company has health care then you're not worried about the low price of health care in Canada.

          Gun control, I agree. I was just pointing out the technical differences, but you're right - the people play a huge role in this.

          Most of my fellow Canadians think that EVERYTHING about Canada is better than the US, but I hope I opened their eyes to a couple differences that they might not know a lot about.
    • trixterIreland, on 06/20/2008, -14/+2health care in canada is not free, you are just forced to pay premiums to a monopoly, and should you 'forget' they will use force to abduct you and hold you hostage. To put it another way its paid for with tax dollars.
      • Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -1/+11... what a stupid view of the world around you.
      • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2The facts you stated are obvious -- everyone knows that nothing is ever free.
      • gasoline, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8In every advanced society, the basic services (such as education, healthcare, police) should be provided by the society, because these are the foundation of a well-functioning society. Of course these services are not free. A certain percentage of everyone's income goes to a common fund, from where the money is distributed to those in need.

        I live in a country that has healthcare system exactly like that and that system makes me feel safe - no matter what treatment I may need, I will get it, no matter the cost. When every man is out for himself, how do the poor pay for expensive medical procedures? You just let them die, because they're not as successful as you are?
      • Xondar, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2It amuses me when Americans shoot their mouth off when they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
        • BoneStamp, on 06/21/2008, -2/+1YOU have no idea what you're talking about -- I AM Canadian! Your conclusion about Americans is non-sequitur; your ignorance and the narcissistic superiority feeling you have over Americans is obvious. I am embarrassed that we are both Canadians and that you represent a disgusting anti-American attitude that is growing in Canada.

          I live in an American city of about 1 million people and it is much more friendly than a couple equivalent sized Canadian cities I've lived in. Strangers actually say "Hi" to each other on the street. Stop letting stereotypes shape your attitude, try experiencing something first hand.
    • tufftugg, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Well, we do not have a fear mongering war criminal in power at least.
  • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -1/+20Canada needs a Scott McClellan to bust this ***** wide open.
    • Tyr7BE, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6We have Michael Geist, if that counts.
      • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3If Geist has the insider info that we need then that's great... but I don't think he's privileged to the same level of information that McClellan had.
  • eighties, on 06/20/2008, -0/+23What a lying, coniving, deceitful idiot. Or politician. I think they're synonyms.
  • TheBogie, on 06/20/2008, -4/+12I've always said that the Canadian Industry Minister was a piece of human *****.

    Now do you all believe me?
    • Apocrypha, on 06/20/2008, -1/+10The entire Canadian conservative party is made up of human pieces of *****. People like Stockwell Day should not have a hand in running this country.
    • Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -7/+1No I don't. I think people like you who think they're entitled to steal the hard work of others are pieces of "human *****".
      • slogged, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Ignorant. There's more to this bill than just that.
      • bigsteve3OOO, on 06/21/2008, -1/+0Canada....our retarded cousin to the north.
  • EdmontonEh, on 06/20/2008, -1/+12Front Page Please!!!
  • DoubleYouSee, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7Tool.
  • asnider, on 06/20/2008, -2/+29I hope this law fails to pass. I also hope that Canadians wake up and vote this government out of power during the next election.
    • galanz, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4And if you vote the liberals in the next time you'll get even worse. Check their position on this issue, their only problem with this bill is that it doesn't go far enough.
      • asnider, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Who says I'm gonna vote for the Liberals? There are other parties. None of them will ever form a government, but I can still "waste" my vote on them.
        • stuffradio, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1What are the NDPs and Green Parties stance?
        • asnider, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1No idea. I haven't looked into it too much. Maybe I'll just vote for the Marijuana Party.
    • aidave, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4Unfortunately our newspapers/media in Canada are ga-ga over Conservatives. Friends in high places, you know.
      • Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -1/+7Canadian media are ga-ga over whoever is in charge at the moment
  • banderwocky, on 06/20/2008, -1/+52I think we need to examine the computers and ipods of Jims 3 daughters. We can start the witch hunt there.
    • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -1/+19They legally obtain all their music using this program called LimeWire. They paid good money for the computer that it runs on.
    • DarthDiabetes, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4How old are his daughters? I'm thinking of a change of tactic.
  • trixterIreland, on 06/20/2008, -2/+11someone involved in politics lied? Alert the media!
  • funzo, on 06/20/2008, -0/+18Dear Mr. Ramos,
    The House is adjourning late next week until Sept 18th or later if the Government prorogues. The delay in tabling a Bill means the Government is worried about the Bill and we have lots of time to consider a very technical Bill. The Bill is poorly thought through and we have already announced that we will be pushing for major changes. No doubt there will be massive public condemnation and the key stakeholders will have all the time they need to analyze the Bill and develop their case for changes to the Bill if it can be salvaged, I would bet that there will an election before this Bill can complete all stages of the legislative process.
    Sincerely,
    Paul Szabo MP
    • EvilOtto, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I haven't got a response from my Liberal MP yet. Nice to see yours took the time to reply.
      • SpongeBad, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I got a reply from Prentice. It was a canned response, though:

        The Government of Canada has introduced Bill C-61, An Act to Amend the Copyright Act. The proposed legislation is a made-in-Canada approach that balances the needs of Canadian consumers and copyright owners, promoting culture, innovation and competition in the digital age.

        What does Bill C-61 mean to Canadians?

        Specifically, it includes measures that would:

        * expressly allow you to record TV shows for later viewing; copy legally purchased music onto other devices, such as MP3 players or cell phones; make back-up copies of legally purchased books, newspapers, videocassettes and photographs onto devices you own; and limit the "statutory damages" a court could award for all private use copyright infringements;

        * implement new rights and protections for copyright holders, tailored to the Internet, to encourage participation in the online economy, as well as stronger legal remedies to address Internet piracy;

        * clarify the roles and responsibilities of Internet Service Providers related to the copyright content flowing over their network facilities; and

        * provide photographers with the same rights as other creators.

        What Bill C-61 does not do:

        * it would not empower border agents to seize your iPod or laptop at border crossings, contrary to recent public speculation

        What this Bill is not:

        * it is not a mirror image of U.S. copyright laws. Our Bill is made-in-Canada with different exceptions for educators, consumers and others and brings us into line with more than 60 countries including Japan, France, Germany and Australia

        Bill C-61 was introduced in the Commons on June 12, 2008 by Industry Minister Jim Prentice and Heritage Minister Josée Verner.

        For more information, please visit the Copyright Reform Process website at www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/home

        Thank you for sharing your views on this important matter.


        The Honourable Jim Prentice, P.C., Q.C., M.P.
        Minister of Industry

        The Honourable Josée Verner, P.C., M.P.
        Minister of Canadian Heritage, Status of Women
        and Official Languages and Minister for
        La Francophonie
    • obixx, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Dear Sean,

      Thank you for voicing your concerns about the Copyright Bill, C-61. For the last two years the NDP has been warning the government not to attempt to bring forward restrictive U.S.-style DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) legislation. We urged them to consult with stakeholders and develop legislation that would protect artists, innovators, and consumers in the 21st century.

      Unfortunately, the government has completely ignored calls to bring forward reasonable copyright legislation. In fact, this bill is worse than we originally feared: there is no evidence of an attempt to strike any reasonable balance that would protect either artists or consumers. Instead, we are faced with a full capitulation to the U.S. corporate lobby that will pave the way for the criminalization of perfectly reasonable behaviour (like format shifting of most legally purchased content).

      Across the country, people like you are coming together to oppose this legislation in online chatrooms, on facebook and in coffee shops. They are voicing their concerns with the legislation by writing elected officials, by posting comments on webpages dedicated to the copyright discussion, and by writing letters to editors to call for a truly balanced approach. Thank you for being among them.

      Jack Layton and I, along with other members of the NDP caucus are strongly opposed to this bill and we are calling on MPs from other parties to listen to their constituents and join us in the growing chorus against it. We are pushing for legislation that will ensure that artists and creators are compensated for their work but that also ensures consumers are able to enjoy reasonable rights of access.

      I encourage you to stay active in this fight by putting the heat on the Ministers of Industry and Heritage, the Prime Minister, and the leaders of the other opposition parties. Whether you call, write, or send an email, your participation will be important to making our opposition to this bill impossible to ignore.

      Thank you again for getting involved.

      Sincerely,

      Olivia Chow, MP

      Trinity–Spadina
  • Shuk, on 06/20/2008, -0/+21I hate it when politicians have this ancient view of the internet. The industry must adapt and take a market based approach to this. These people need some perspective. Ask yourself: has any piece of technology ever gotten LESS advanced and convenient over time? Will I tell my kids: back in my day, the internet was so advanced and free, now we can't do all the stuff we did back then. Seems ridiculous.
    • Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -9/+1"The industry must adapt"

      Adapt to what? Stealing?

      This isn't about advancement, productivity, cheapness, health, cost, effectiveness. It's about rights *****. Stop stealing people's hard work. What makes you think you're owed it?

      I suggest you get a moral back bone, so you can tell what the difference between right and wrong is.
      • Rikkochet, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5Get over it. IP infringement isn't theft. Theft implies depriving another person of something.
        They are completely different creatures.

        And for the record, nobody who downloads media is stealing people's hard work. The production companies and record labels are exploiting artists and stealing THEIR work to sell as they please. The pirates are taking precious little from actual creative people.
        • Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -7/+2OMG. That is false and let me prove it to.

          Let's say your boss, after you did two weeks of work, says , "i'm not going to pay you. I feel entitled to your hard work, without compensating you."

          See. Proven wrong.

          It has nothing to do with depriving people. It has to do with benefiting from someone elses work without permission or proper compensation.

          DRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

          Oh and for the record, artists choose to work with production companies and record labels because they can make them money. If that is exploitation, than you're ***** in the head.

          Oh look at the last sentence. So you're stealing now, it's just so little that it shouldn't matter.

          DRRRRRRRRRRRRR
        • ghoppe, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6How did you prove him wrong? If a boss doesn't pay me after I do two weeks of work that isn't theft, that isn't "depriving me of anything" that's breach of contract. How does this relate to copyright infringement?

          Listen, I don't condone sharing music online without the consent of the copyright owners, but running around in circles calling these people "***** THIEVES" or, even worse, presuming that people like me who would like to have the freedom to copy a stupid DVD on my ipod *legally* are dirty-rotten pirates because they are against this legislation doesn't accomplish anything.

      • com2, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1How can you steal rights that have already been stolen from you by the gov?
    • DryMaltExtract, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1No you stupid *****. Meaning, if I buy your ***** music, I listen to it on whatever the ***** I want. If i want to copy your cd to my computer or ipod and you try to stop me, it should not be illegal for me to break your DRM and do it. I should not have to buy 4 versions of a song or movie just to watch it on what I want.

      Learn what the ***** you're talking about before you mouth off you dumb *****.
  • freezerburn666, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8sonofabitch
    • neozeed, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I suppose the SPP is new to you as well?
  • IggyPop, on 06/20/2008, -1/+49***** Jim Prentice.
    • grimreaperev, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7***** the DMCA!
    • fish0507, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1***** just about every politician in Canada is how I am feeling... The NDP will never have enough seats to make a difference.
  • Apocrypha, on 06/20/2008, -1/+29I am am doing everything in my power as a Canadian citizen to NOT allow this bill to pass as it is. This radio interview has given me new fuel for another letter writing campaign. :)
    Prentice clearly does not understand the internet, computers and technology in general. He really should make sure he knows what the hell he is talking about before he opens his big mouth. Oh, well. Bad for him, good for us. :)
    • Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -15/+2I bet you sit on your ass and piss & moan about it hoping someone will listen to you.

      Stop stealing the hard work of other people, go out and pay for it, so the creators can be compensated.
      • WarZpriTe, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8Way to completely misunderstand the reasons that this Bill is garbage and does more to hurt Canadian consumers than anything else.
        • Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -8/+1How does it hurt Canadian consumers? Will they actually have to start paying for music? The tragedy.
  • rheaume, on 06/20/2008, -1/+21What do you expect? He's a conservative.
    Now if you voted for them, f-you.
    • getbusyliving, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2And the Liberals would be trying to pull the same ***** if they were still in office. What the ***** is the matter with you guys?
    • Xondar, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Except this is a retread of Bill C-60, a bill the previous Liberal government tried to pass.
    • rheaume, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2To be clear, "the Minister lies, dodges, weaves and ducks around plain, simple questions." and thats
      why he's a conservative. Otherwise I'm sure he'll get swindled into lots of the same ***** the liberals did.

      Difference is, the Liberals don't try and suck Bush's *****, roll back Kyoto agreements, allow companies to run amok destroying the environment,
  • Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -17/+2What exactly did he lie about?

    Oh wait, yeah. You guys feel entitled to steal. I keep forgetting there are people in this world that feel entitled to steal the hard work of other people.
    • freezerburn666, on 06/20/2008, -1/+6he said u could break the lock on a cell phone / ipod / etc. then he retracted. then he hung up. It had nothing to do with stealing, you *****. it was for legit reasons, ie. using it in a different country. so you think your all high and mighty, and dont do a goddamn thing wrong? is that it? why don't u go ***** pray somewhere.
      • Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -6/+4I don't do a "goddamn" thing wrong. I don't try to steal things. You confuse things as usual. You can unlock a phone, in a legal way and an illegal way.

        Do you understand that *****?

        When you fully own a phone, you can unlock it. When you're still under contract, no.

        Common sense with a moral compass for what is right and wrong really goes a far way.
        • ghoppe, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Yes, there is a legal way and an illegal way to unlock a cellphone.

          The legal way is to do it before Bill C-61 passes.
          The illegal way is to wait until after Bill C-61 passes.

          What do you mean "When you fully own a phone, you can unlock it. When you're still under contract, no."

          This is a rather interesting point of view. I buy a phone, I am under contract for X years and continue to pay $Y dollars a month. I decide I'd like to unlock MY cell phone for some reason and use it on another network, say if I'm going on vacation up north and I don't have coverage so I buy a pay-as-you go SIM card for the weekend. Or say, if I'm leaving the country.

          You say this is immoral, wrong, and should be illegal. WHY?
        • DryMaltExtract, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1So do you enjoy buying the same song 4 times to listen to it on 4 different devices even though it's exactly the same?
    • ghoppe, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1What did he lie about? To be honest, he was far to evasive to actually, technically, "lie".

      Q: Can my grandpa break a digital lock to put his extensive jazz cd collection on his iPod?
      A: Strictly speaking, even for private personal use such as you're describing, one should not be breaking a digital lock. But the consequences of doing it, for an individual consumer under this legislation are... are minimal.

      You'll only be minimally sued. It's all good.

      Q: What if i'm caught and damages are awarded. How much of that money will go to the creator?
      A: Every single penny of it goes to the creator, because they'll be the person initiating the lawsuit.

      Yeaaahh... take a closer look at subsection 41.22(4) of the Bill, bub.

      "This Bill is very protective of the individual consumer."
      If this isn't a lie, please explain how this Bill protects the consumer. Oh yeah, it limits damages to $20,000 if I copy my dvd to my computer and someone sues me.

      And yeah, the unlocking the phone thing where he said (I paraphrase) "oh it's okay to do it if you are going overseas to be able to use it on their network but to do it here in Canada for another purpose is wrong" is utter *****.
    • com2, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Stallionism works for the RIAA!
  • nubbler, on 06/20/2008, -0/+15Join this group if you have facebook. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6315846683

    There are numerous tips on what you can do about it, including writing to and/or personally meeting your MP. Or just join, the group has been very influencial.
    • Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2It has? really? How so?
      • ploke, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3It was brought up in the house of parliament during a debate over a similar Bill about a year ago. It was actually considered one of the factors in getting the Bill shelved. We have a good history of fighting this *****. I just wish that our politicians would stand up to the US, rather than having forcing the citizens to mobilize all the time. Whatever, we can do it again.
        • Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3That's interesting. Any links around that statement? Not that I want to put your word in doubt, but all those "internet petition" and "facebook group" are rather tiresome. I'd be happy to see one (finally) succeed.
        • ploke, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1sorry, no link—I don't really feel like searching around youtube for it. I know that I saw it on youtube and that it (the comment on the facebook group) made news. Michael Geist, who runs the group, also write editorials in major Canadian papers, which may have helped the group get publicity.
  • neozeed, on 06/20/2008, -12/+1Well someone has to harmonize laws into the NAU...

    LOL, the true north strong & free.....

    Who are Canadians (51st state) kidding?
    • freezerburn666, on 06/20/2008, -1/+8go ***** yourself, i'm far from being an american or living in the "51st" state, don't ever ***** say that again.
      • neozeed, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Go ***** yourself eh, as a CANADIAN at least I know what the ***** is going on.
    • BoneStamp, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Not sure if you're LOL'ing the "strong" or the "free" but you should take a moment to look at the stories you've dugg recently; I think you'll see why the US is not any stronger or free.
      • neozeed, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1wow they don't teach sarcasam anymore in CANADA do they. What happened, the kids in the hall all went to America to make some $$ and I hear they have instituted multiple choice tests in CANADA as well to dumb CANADA down to AMERICA.

        Face it, Canada is being harmonized into the NAU, and somehow my home nation (CANADA) didn't even notice it happened.
        • BoneStamp, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Yup, I hear ya. I'm also an expat, and I agree that Canada is slowly becoming the 51st state. This was most obvious in 2005 when the CIA opened an office in Ottawa to fight Chretien's bill to legalize pot. The CIA actually defeated it!

          The only thing about your post that I disagreed with was Canada's relative strength/freedom to that of the US. On that, I still think you're wrong. Knowing now that it was sarcastic, it seems like a fair comment.

          I'm not sure that we are at fault for not reading your sarcasm. Sarcasm works great in written material when you have 1 absurd statement that is genuinely funny, but when you have 3 absurd statements that are not really that funny then it often comes across literal.
  • BeardedTacoFish, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!
  • Peko, on 06/20/2008, -0/+16I listened to it live.

    My first thought is that Prentice is pretty dim for thinking a show like Search Engine wouldn't be asking hard questions.
    • rdolishny, on 06/20/2008, -1/+7....however the host knew he only had ten minutes. That's pretty common in the media. My thinking is that the host should have asked that privacy question (which didn't happen after the Minister hung up on him) first. That is a far more interesting question: that of enforcement and privacy concerns.

      Search Engine could have done a much better job, they kinda blew their one chance to speak to a very popular minister who's going on hiatus in a few days.
  • amcnamar, on 06/20/2008, -1/+6The thing is...most Conservatives don't want this to pass either. But when it doesn't, they'll be able to say "Hey, the Liberals shot it down and aren't for Canadian artists". So much spin it makes my head hurt.
    • carrtoonist, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I sure Bono will set the record straight if that happens.
  • FAHQ2, on 06/20/2008, -1/+12Someone needs to find a picture of Jim Prentice, (or one of his family members, or any politician that supports this bill) using the very popular iPhone.
    As we all know anyone in Canada currently using an iPhone (until July11) is using a hacked, unlocked phone, which according to this new law will be illegal.
    So if this law passes, these images can act as evidence to sue Jim, (his family member, or politician friends) for the $20,000 fine.
    That's the only way to teach this guy, and his supporting politician buddies a lesson.
    So diggers, please use your web skills to digg up some dirt on these politicians who support this crazy bill.
  • tehnico, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8Yes or No Mr. Prentice... For God's sake answer a question pussy.
    • Fungii, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1No doubt. he seemed to be saying, in a roundabout way, that yes your grandfather would be liable for up to $ 20,000 in damages, but don't worry, he probably won't get caught! What a dick. Either defend the substance of your legislation or withdraw it.
  • t4m5t3r, on 06/20/2008, -1/+8he lies because its not about stopping "piracy" or protecting "intellectual property" its about screwing every possible penny out the consumer they can!!

    Always has been, always will be!
  • BinaryFragger, on 06/20/2008, -0/+16What can you expect from the same idiot who said the government is powerless in stopping Bell from throttling its DSL resellers.

    protecting consumers = government's hands are tied, can't do anything
    protecting big corporations and the RIAA/MPAA = let's make a new law!
    • neozeed, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Hey man, those bribe checques don't sign themselves!
  • carrtoonist, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4Whatever happen to the liberals? Its still a minority government up here isn't it? why are they getting away with this *****?
    • Apocrypha, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5The liberals are too afraid of losing an election. This bill isn't a vote of confidence though, so you'd think they would be saying something. I know the NDP and Bloc are against it but they can't stop it without the Libs.
    • phosdex, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Unfortunately, money for a spine for Stephan Dion was left out of the last budget.
    • getbusyliving, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Because the Liberals are just as bad as the Conservatives and would be voting in the same bill if they were in charge.
    • DeFex, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1because they are the same.
      horse ***** vs cow ***** which would you like. you have the freedom to vote for one!
      (oh yeah theres the chicken ***** party i forgot about them)
      sorry there is not a choice for "sorry i would not like any ***** at all today"
  • ploke, on 06/20/2008, -0/+26If you live in the riding Calgary Centre-North, please do us all a favour—make Prentice lose his job. http://www.jimprentice.ca/EN/7118/
  • Apocrypha, on 06/20/2008, -0/+10When he says "That's too technical" does he mean for me or him? I can say for sure it is not too technical for me so that only leaves him. It is an issue to do with technology after all. Shouldn't you at least understand it? I can't take him seriously because he doesn't know *****.
  • pradaaddict, on 06/20/2008, -1/+7http://digg.com/political_opinion/Canadian_Parliam ...

    Jim Prentice spews foaming ***** about Canadian DMCA in Parliament
  • rdolishny, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4a) this will make a great "do it live" styled audio remix. I'm not that talented, anyone?
    b) this ranks up there with Sen. Stevens Tubes. Sad for Canada. Hilarious for funny geeks.

    ...PS hanging up the phone on the air is epic. They'll be talking about this one for years.
  • evocatus, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8It's apparently "too technical" for our apparent "Industry Minister", and yet, with a grade twelve education, I get it.

    I also get the fact that for me to spy/evesdrop on my neighbors internet connection is a criminal offence....however COMMA it's perfectly legal for the media/recording industry to do it.......

    Downloading a backup copy of my purchased movie will net me a fine, greater than one for dangerous driving....entirely logical....NOT !

    Didn't the Supreme Court of Canada already settle this one for Canadians, a few years ago ?
    • jonnypage, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1not to support this bill at ALL, but there is no fine, it's statutory damages if the RIAA/MPAA/whatever win the lawsuit.
  • tekproxy, on 06/20/2008, -2/+3Wow, Canada, nice one. Keep this up and you'll be able to see the tiny spec in the distance that is our collective asses marching off the precipice of Retarded Government into the bloody, death gorge of Infinite Unawesomeness.

    Do you have to make sense when posting on the internets? Nope, didn't think so. And while I'm at it.

    The internet is like a series of tubes. Except you go to jail or get fined heavily.
  • phosdex, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4What do you expect from a party that is actually an amalgamation of 3 other parties?
    They are the: Conservative. Reform. Alliance. Party.
    • DarthDiabetes, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Hahahaha. I remember when they went public for a week with that name. I laughed for ten minutes.
  • Karnatos, on 06/20/2008, -0/+10Nice. He cannot afford more than 10 minutes with a show that understands the implications and has hard questions to ask, a show that is listened to by an audience that understands and is truly concerned about the issues.

    I can understand that he may not have been prepared to speak longer than his slotted 10 minutes, but as a Canadian, it is insulting to have him hang up the phone so abruptly and have his office respond and decline to continue the engaging conversation stating "that won't work for us" to the show, and the Canadian public.

    Shame on you Jim.
  • ploke, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7The bill is not "too technical". I gave it read and pulled out one good section: http://ryancbriggs.net/post/39182078/the-cbc-radio ...

    Clause 17, amending section 29.2 (Reproduction onto another medium or device), states that you are allowed to make limited copies for personal use provided that:
    (c) the individual, in order to make the reproduction, did not circumvent a technological measure or cause one to be circumvented, within the meanings of the definitions “circumvent” and “technological measure” in section 41;

    Basically, under this law you have rights to your media, unless companies decide that you don’t. Thanks a lot Prentice.
  • DarkSideofMoon, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7I'm sure if you're from Edmonton, AB, you probably already know this, but there's a Fair Copyright for Canada group here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6875186988

    There's a meeting Sunday, June 22nd. It'd be cool to know if there's any other Diggers from Edmonton.
    • LinDeviant, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Awesome! I am from Edmonton, and did not know about this. I will try to be there for sure!
  • WarZpriTe, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4@Stallionism Id bother to point out the many other things this bill proposes to cripple, like destroying "fair use" basically outlawing the programs that network security analysts use to perform our jobs (suddenly Im breaking the law by doing my job? wth?) The fact that in this bill, altering material for satire/humor would now be illegal too....there is a myriad of problems far and away from downloading music that this bill covers. I would even take the time to go over more of them, but after a glance at your posting history, its clear that you are nothing more than a troll, uninterested in the issue at hand, and not even worth the time to type as much as I have. Good day troll.
  • djasshat, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2What a crappy bill. According to this interview, the government isn't responsible for anyone being caught, its the record labels/ rights holders that are the bad guys who can strike down the little guy. All the government did was pass a bill which will allow them to do it...
  • DeFex, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3hes all pissed because someone downloaded bonzi buddy on his computer in 1999 and he still hasn't gotten rid of it.
  • shanealeslie, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4I have decided that until the Canadian DMCA is retracted or amended in such a manner that the EFF approves I will not attend ANY movie theaters or purchase ANY mass-market media or playback devices.

    I made the decision a few years ago to not participate in piracy. I got a job in the industry as a multimedia designer-producer of DVDs and realized that to continue to download copyright infringing movies and music would be a conflict of interest.

    I decided that I would only download music freely offered by performers or purchased legally, and watch movies offered on my TV, rented, or loaned to me by friends. I found that over time I didn't miss out on much. There are so many independent bands offering music that I now have a massive MP3 library of great music (DRM free), and a decent CD collection bought directly from the performers that came to town to play a gig, and only the best of the commercially produced bands. Movies are now an actual treat again, an event instead of just something to do to kill time, and I only bother to watch movies that are highly recommended or sourced form some material that I already know and like .

    I've filled up the holes in my entertainment time with all of the free/creative commons e-books now available, read a whole bunch or serialized web comics (a great replacement for the crap that is on TV nowadays), started playing D&D with friends again...

    In my opinion there is no reason for anyone to have to steal illegal copies of entertainment media with such a plethora of freely available content.

    I propose that others that feel the same way about the DMCA could participate in a consumer strike in which many people make the same sort of switch in consumer habits I did - no copyright infringement instead of purchasing the goods, then not purchasing the goods if they have locks or laws that prevent the purchaser from fair use of their purchase - CD/DVD to Ipod transfer, partial use in works of parody, commentary, or critique - all the things the EFF and the other copyfighters support. It would have some impact on our entertainment activities in the short term - but a couple of months of a large group of people voting with their wallets may convince the powers-that-be that these laws are going to result in a net loss, and that is not in their own best interest.
    • rdolishny, on 06/22/2008, -0/+1I work in the business and have taken your stand ... going one further and forbidding bootleg movies and PS2 games that get swapped around the three kids schoolground. We buy our media the old fashioned way, but generally going online and seeking out DRM free or free media provides us with more content than we can consume.

      There is no excuse for rampant piracy, and a law like this helps set the record straight.

      I am a little concerned that with a law like this in place the recent slide in DRM content will reverse and it's back to big business to decide what we can and cannot consume.

      Anyway bravo on your stand. I support it.
  • chrixxian, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I've just dumped that interview on my iPod for future playback when it will be necessary.
  • 5058, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2I sent in am email to Harper,Prentice,and both the liberal and NDP critics from the CCER page and got a response from everyone except Prentice. He should have had his puppet master from the US DMCA on the other line while he was doing this interview , so he could relay the answer.
  • Suits, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6What the *****, Canada, I thought you were cool.
    • tufftugg, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4 Well, most of us are...we just have a few 'tools' who vote Conservative
    • jonnypage, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2we thought we were cool too :(
    • blacklilyninja, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1whats happening is american interests are pressuring the government into this using strong arm tactics. it happens all the time.

      a common practice that goes all the way back to things like Avro Arrow.


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