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Christian girls in Pakistan Forced to Convert to Islam

eni.ch — A Christian father in Pakistan is trying without success through the courts to gain custody of his two pre-teen daughters who were kidnapped and made to convert to Islam. The Muzaffargarh district court on 12 July said the disputed conversion of the girls was legal, and it was this ruling that left the local Christians stunned.

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  • bwhite4815, on 07/22/2008, -8/+2Would this be news if it was some Islamic girls forced to convert to Christianity?
    • zaibatsu, on 07/22/2008, -1/+14In an Islamic newspaper, absolutely.
    • Konstantino, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6Yes. Forcing anyone to change their beliefs is disgusting and desperate. The fact that these people are sinking to a level so low is pathetic and needs to be stopped.
    • WhiskeyWrites, on 07/23/2008, -1/+7Absolutely it would be. It isn't just the forced conversion, but the fact that due to that conversion these men are now claiming the family has no "jurisdiction" over them. They kidnapped them, and apparently found a way to basically legally own them. That is some ***** up ***** right there.
    • drz130, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2There would be riots in the streets in Pakistan. Was this question rhetorical, or are you dense?
  • Gizza, on 07/23/2008, -5/+5How do you get forced to convert religion? Your religion should be based on what you believe in. No one can force you to change what you believe in.
    • jcm267, on 07/23/2008, -2/+14Tell that to the Muslims who kidnapped those preteen girls, married them and filed for custody, and made them convert to Islam.
    • WhiskeyWrites, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4You cannot change what someone personally believes, but like a forced confession to a crime you didn't commit, you can force them to at least publicly and legally say they are now that religion. This is especially important in theocratic countries where religious affiliation can have more legal repercussions.
    • betheturtle, on 08/14/2008, -0/+11. Be Born Poor
      2. Accompany Uncle on Trading Voyages
      3. Meet and Marry a Widow
      4. Meditate Alone in Cave
      5. ???
      6. PROPHET!!!
  • davidwasman, on 07/23/2008, -18/+6Looks like the wingbat brigade is trying to take over digg again with their slanted, bigoted, and inflammatory propaganda.

    Do you people even realize how many people have been forced into X-tianity over the years? Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, and more. Hell, today you have 'missionaries'.

    Yours is no 'religion of peace', either.
    • WhiskeyWrites, on 07/23/2008, -1/+11I see, so you are ok with forcing someone to "convert" via kidnapping in general? I do not care what religion it is done under, it isn't right. You aren't being opened minded, you are hoping to attack Christianity, but in the process you seem to be ok with this behavior. Should someone say the Inquisition was ok because other religions have done anything similar?
      • davidwasman, on 07/23/2008, -11/+3What I am saying is that we don't have all the facts. This story is inflammatory for the sake of being inflammatory against Muslims. Neo-cons do everything in their power to vilify Muslims, even though less than 1% of the Muslim population are considered terrorists.

        It's the same failed logic that all Cubans must be bad because of those few that came over in the 1970s from the prisons. Or all Blacks are uppity...or women aren't smart enough to vote. Keeping this myth alive that all muslims want to eat your children, or whatever nonsense it is this week with the Malkins, Limbaughs, Coultures, or Dobbs of the world, is what is keeping us from winning the 'war' on terror.

        Until we stop being bigots and accept that not everyone is a x-tian or americanized, we will continue to have issues with the Middle East. Once we swallow our pride and accept that 'Hey, some people are different and that is OK!', we can all relax.

        There is no conspiracy to convert the world to Islam...and even if you think that is true, try looking up how many asshat american morons are forcing conversion to x-tianity through missions to other countries. WAY WAY WAY more than any Muslim could ever hope to do.

        Namaste
      • IMJGaltstill, on 07/23/2008, -3/+9Last time I checked 1% of a billion is a whole lot of suicide bombing fanatics. Can you compare TODAYS Muslim behavior with any other religion? Is it hard to breath with your head stuffed so far up your rectum?
      • WhiskeyWrites, on 07/23/2008, -1/+10"What I am saying is that we don't have all the facts" - Thats a fine and reasonable statement to make, though that isn't what you said at all. You decided to try the "Christianity does it too!" defense, which really doesn't say much, and certainly in no way gets a useful point across. Just trying to call everyone a neocon and try to say that if this did happen it is morally equivalent to something Christianity has done or is doing isn't saying it's wrong, or at least you sound like you are saying it wouldn't be wrong in this case because of Christianity. It's wrong in either case, especially in any case where the government may say it is ok to do this ti children.
      • WhiskeyWrites, on 07/23/2008, -4/+4@IMJGaltStill: I am sure it would be possible to try to make an argument that other religions have historical equivalents, but that shouldn't even be the issue here. Almost all Muslim are NOT terrorists, just like almost all Christians aren't terrorists who would bomb abortion clinics.
      • davidwasman, on 07/23/2008, -6/+3IMJGaltstill,

        I said LESS THAN 1%. If you want to play semantics, then less than 1% of x-tians are radical extremists, too. 1% of 6 billion is 6 million. That's the population of an entire metropolitan city.

        I'd say the chips are stacked in the x-tians' favor. They frighten me more than Muslims...and I lost friends on 9/11.

        WhiskeyWrites,

        When I stated that this was propaganda, I meant it. Hence "we don't have all the facts'.

        Yes, if this story is true, it is wrong...but is a microcosmic blip on the radar compared to other atrocities that happen worldwide. I'm not belittling the impact on these girls, nor am I saying this story doesn't deserve some merit, IF IT IS TRUE, but the story is clearly drawn in a way to make Muslims look bad as a whole. It's inflammatory and insensitive and bigoted. It makes the vague, albeit obvious to me, insinuation that we should all fear for our children, too.

        To be honest, this kind of story with its sensationalist headline makes the news more often than some batsh*t insane nutjob x-tian fundamentalist who is preaching to his flock about bombing abortions clinics. Or how about that moron fro Westboro Baptist? Or Pat Robertson with his 'Gays made God do it' nonsense? Or any number of other extremists like them that go ignored because, OH NO! Don't you DARE disrespect our Jesus and his followers! We're all just sooooo maligned and downtrodden! Even though we're the number one religion in the world that 80% of the population believes in...We're OPPRESSED!

        Muslims are a threat to x-tians because they keep them from Missioning in their countries and converting followers to help fill the coffers. Jesus apparently needs cash. What better way to combat those 'brown people' then to vilify them?

        And this article does that...in spades. I mean look where the news is coming from. Ecumenical News. A x-tian news org. Where are the AP reports? The UPI reports? The ITN reports? The BBC reports? the Reuters reports?

        Exactly.
    • jcm267, on 07/23/2008, -4/+10The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression and, while there were cases where the Christians were wrong during the Crusades, the Christians were the right side in that fight. Islam is an inherently violent and oppressive religion, Christianity is not. Not all religions are created equal, dave. Some (well, to my knowledge, one) were founded by bloodthirsty child-molesting psycopathic warlords, others weren't.
      • davidwasman, on 07/23/2008, -7/+2Just as King James made the Bible in the European's image, so to can the history of the Crusades be altered to fit the agenda. You and I were not there. However, one fact is incontrovertible: x-tians killed many in the name of their god.

        Your assumption, based on nothing but folklore and rumor, that Muslims were formed by a child molester is preposterous and slanderous. It's exactly why they hate us...not because of our democracy and freedoms, like the morons keep repeating, but because we slander them and disrespect them simply because we don't understand them.

        And sorry, but to be honest...I see no difference between Bush and most other psychopathic warlords. Hell, Bush admits god told him to start a war. How psycho is that?

        Maybe I am wrong about some things (I am human after all and bound to err on occasion), but I refuse to be led on by idle gossip and innuendos when it comes to my understanding of another culture.

        AND AGAIN, this story is from a x-tian newsletter and is not backed up by UPI, AP, Reuters, BBC, ITN, or even Al-jazeera. Not one new agency picked it up. That usually means it's not true.

      • jcm267, on 07/23/2008, -3/+3Where do you suppose that this "rumor" that Muhammed was a child molester came from, Dave? Do you really think that Bush just starts wars on a whim like Muhammed did?
    • mmmmmbiscuits, on 07/23/2008, -4/+8"Looks like the wingbat brigade is trying to take over digg again with their slanted, bigoted, and inflammatory propaganda."

      OH NOEZ! WUT HAPPENZ TO MY PROGRESSIVE CIRCLE JERKZ!?
      • davidwasman, on 07/23/2008, -7/+3copypasta much?
      • mmmmmbiscuits, on 07/23/2008, -2/+6Why expend energy coming up with a new response to the same old progressive spew time after time after time?
      • davidwasman, on 07/23/2008, -6/+2Tell you what, biscuit...show me a major news outlet that is covering this story and I will concede.

        Until then, I stand by my assertion that this is neo-con related x-tian bigotry and no amount of downward diggs can change that.
  • davidwasman, on 07/23/2008, -10/+2Quick, Conservatives...squelch my freedom of speech and bury me before anyone sees what I said and catches my dirty socialist commie pinko librul ideals disease!

    Good job! That was close! Some closed minds almost opened there, for a second.
    • WhiskeyWrites, on 07/23/2008, -1/+9Freedom of speech means you can say what you want without legal reprisal. If you think digging down a comment is abridging freedom of speech, why would you be on Digg, which is all about digging or burying articles and comments, in the first place?
      • davidwasman, on 07/23/2008, -4/+1Just having fun at my own expense. Not everything I write or reply with is a diatribe about my beliefs...sometimes it's for laughs. My own, usually. Keeps me (relatively) sane.
    • jcm267, on 07/23/2008, -1/+7That's right .... everyone who disagrees with you is just too damn closed minded. How does that make you open minded?
      • davidwasman, on 07/23/2008, -3/+1They deal in gossip. I tend to believe in logic since it has facts to back it up.

        This story is from a x-tian newsletter without a single major news outlet backing it up. Not AP, Reuters, ITN, UPI, BBC, or even the dreaded al-jazeera have picked this up.

        See? http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&client=firefox-a ...
  • Hetman, on 07/23/2008, -3/+5Everyone git ur guns. Holy war time, yeehaaaw lats go kills us some of them there stinking muslams. Praise be to Jaesuusss.
  • SheilaNoya, on 07/23/2008, -4/+7Why was there no outrage from U.S. Christians when Bush invaded Iraq and caused tens of thousands of Christians to flee the country? The Iraqi population was 3% Christian, with over 12,000 Christians living peacefully in Baghdad. Most of them have now been forced to flee for their lives and become refugees.

    Saddam was a horrible man, but Iraq was more secular and Christians lived alongside with Muslims with no problems. Saddam's own foreign minister (Tariq Aziz) was a Christian. Now look at Iraq - Christians aren't welcomed and any who remain fear for their lives.

    Bush managed to do more damage to Christians in Iraq than any Muslim group. Why no outrage over all of the Christians who are either dead or homeless as a result of Bush's actions?
    • Hetman, on 07/23/2008, -2/+3Now there are 150,000 or so christians there. Thats a net gain for the evangelists, Neocon, Bush party.
  • yellowcakewalk, on 07/23/2008, -3/+4When will mankind outgrow these foolish superstitions?
    • known, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1Governments must step-in and give incentives to Inter-Faith marriages between Christians and Muslims.
  • ileftfark, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3Nobody expects the Paki Inquisition!
    • muratlale4, on 07/28/2008, -0/+0Monty Python in the 21. century
      Beautiful!
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