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Iraqi Vets Against the War - Recruting Poster

getbud.com — Anyone who is even considering joining the armed forces needs to read this! This was posted yesterday and buried, even though it was at the top of upcoming. It picked up another 70 diggs after being buried.

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  • Fangsinmybeard, on 07/23/2008, -6/+33Save this article from being suppressed.
  • jackieblu, on 07/23/2008, -5/+21I read this yesterday, it's a National disgrace!
  • rareblue, on 07/23/2008, -6/+17This made it to the top of upcoming and then was buried at around 15 hours. This is important information that needs to get out.
  • shearyadi, on 07/23/2008, -6/+18Why they buried such important issue like this?
    • rareblue, on 07/23/2008, -3/+13So that important issues like the size of toothpastes tubes can make it to the front. Thank the spammers and bury brigades.
    • ciaran036, on 07/23/2008, -4/+9Because the mainstream on digg are busy digging about Batman, advertisements and computers... sure there's nothing all that wrong about that - but don't bloody ignore the important articles!
      • UltramegaOK, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Why so serious?
      • ciaran036, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Because there's a lot of serious issues floating around. Such as the manipulation of the country to support an illegal and unjust war which has left a million people dead and the US, British and Israeli threats and lies against Iran.
        The lies of WMD's, nuclear weapons, possibly 9/11 etc.

        It's time we stopped being spoon-fed and started to question some of the crap we're being told.

        For all those that think our governments are all good and peaceful, have you ever thought about why they allowed the sale and promotion of sticks of addictive rat poison and called them cigarettes?
      • ciaran036, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Somebody has got to be serious or we'll do nothing but play video games all day and read on-line comics.
    • SuperWinner, on 07/23/2008, -3/+6I call them the bush bury squad
  • netgeek06, on 07/23/2008, -6/+15Buriers are mad.
  • jodimcmullen, on 07/23/2008, -5/+12It was like this during Vietnam... the soldiers themselves that finally stood up. I remember "Hell No We Won't Go" Then folks finally backed them up.
    • OffPiste, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1Right.....

      In the words of SFC Hulka "Son there ain't no draft."

      jodimcmullen "uhhhhhh there was one?"
  • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 07/23/2008, -16/+14Buried as inaccurate propaganda from left wing astroturf group.
  • OffPiste, on 07/23/2008, -2/+7• US war veterans are twice as likely to kill themselves as ordinary civilians.

    But what is the comparison between same aged people? Do veterans commit suicide at a higher rate than their peers?

    I bet college students are more likely to commit suicide than the general population as well.

    I can't see this campaign having much affect on the people that want to join the military. It surely will strike a chord to people who DON'T want to join but how is that effective?
    • Waiting2awake, on 07/23/2008, -6/+5Because there are some people that may want to join because of the "glory" of it - that is a lie, and lies need to be explained so that there is no "Gee, I didn't know what I was getting into"...

      The fact that military recruiters generally have to lie like cheap rugs, should tell you what they are offering, truly isn't that good.

      • OffPiste, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2I agree but how is a good thing when IVATW are also distorting the facts to persuade? There is certainly nothing wrong with the truth.
  • Waiting2awake, on 07/23/2008, -6/+6Seems the bury brigade is out again....What a shock.
  • PolishLogic, on 07/23/2008, -5/+7getbud.com?

    Jesus, I guess we're scraping the bottom of the barrel now.
    • rareblue, on 07/23/2008, -4/+2It was originally on getcnn.com. Getbud.com is more for pro 215 and state rights, but since digg decided to bury vet stuff there, I posted it here.
  • spamly, on 07/23/2008, -5/+8Interesting statistics. If you take a quick search for "rape rate college" you'll find that 20 - 25% of women are reported to being raped sometime before the end of college. The statistic in the article talked about military service which is, arguably, longer than college. I'm only pointing this out because it more accurately shows that rape is a problem with our society, not just specific to the military.

    Also, as somebody who served, I can say that discrimination occurs, but it is not restricted to people of a particular sex, religion, or race. I experienced discrimination on multiple occasions and I am a white, straight, Christian male. Ironically, I received some of the discrimination was because I “deserved to know what my ancestors have put others through.” I thought this was odd because my ancestors were Irish and the only thing they pissed off was a potato.

    The military, like any organization, has problems which should be addressed. One of the biggest issue is what to do with people who leave the military. There isn't a great transition to the “real world” and many people relied on the hand holding in the military to get them through life. The lack of structure like this has a real impact on many people. How many college recruiters embellish? Is it a problem? Sure! Let's just put these problems in perspective and understand that they aren't unique to the military (which is, arguably, easier to enter than college).

    My point is, you can make anything up with statistics. I'm now a successful, college educated, system engineer. Yes, I used the GI Bill. Yes, I was told how much it would pay out. Yes, I was told how much it would cost to “buy” ($100 a month for 12 months). Yes, I use many of the skills I learned while in the military- both technical and interpersonal. Yes, I was deployed often. Yes, I was in the DEP and was told that I could change my mind before I “officially” signed.

    I was also told that what you get out of the military, like just about anything, depends largely on what you put in. I've seen successful people and complete failures come from the same department. The unsuccessful people usually blamed their failure on others. The successful ones wouldn't accept failure.


  • jerger23, on 07/23/2008, -5/+7Like spamly, I was also informed of all of the criteria for use of the G.I. Bill, was told about the options for release from DEP, and generally treated with respect by my recruiters. They only 'lie' that I was told was "that field does not exist" when it came time to pick my job, which I later found out it did. The reason for the 'lie'? The recruiters couldn't find the information on it. The job they actually assigned me to was much more interesting and played a huge role in shaping my career. I think most cases of alleged lies come from a lack of training the recruiters receive or recruiters' lack of familiarity with the jobs, benefits, regulations, etc. In a nutshell I think ignorance/incompetence among recruiters is much more prevelant than malice or self-centeredness.
  • rareblue, on 07/23/2008, -3/+6My issue with this is not so much what one recruiter did or did not do, I was lied to and eventually got the truth. My bigger point with this one is that as I type this the story has 205 diggs and not on the front page. The last post of this got buried at about 150 at 18 hours. It then went up to 220 after it was buried. There is obvious interest in what veterans feel and speak about, and it should not buried just because someone differs in opinion. Look at the front page and tell me that this is less important then anything there.

    Recruits should know what questions to ask and what the truth is about what they are joining. I loved my time in the service and I love the fact that I'm a vet, but I wasn't put through what these guys are going to face in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is a war for oil to make the rich, richer.
  • kavutu, on 07/23/2008, -10/+1I'm 48 and I just joined the Army. I am going to go bag and tag me some of them thar camel humping Hisbbooollllaaa assholes!! I will be pullin my nine shotti and going John Gottie on their worthless ass's!! OOOHHH YYYYEEEAAAA. I be going huntin!! Wack em and stack em I say!! Kill em all and sne t home to Alla and all those virgins that be waiting for them! What a pack of brainless, worthless, ingnorant, pathetic, brainwashed, psycopaths they all are! Waste of good air as far as I am concerned.
    • jerger23, on 07/23/2008, -0/+6Your satirical attempt to build a stereotype of a soldier is incredibly offensive, though I'm sure that was your intent.
  • Cerialthriller, on 07/23/2008, -2/+2my recruiter lied through his teeth to me. I was an overwieght (well they told me 6'-2 235lbs was overwieght) 17 year old kid with a 97 on the ASVAB. I signed the DEP program, changed my mind about going after the college i was wait listed on decided that i wasnt going to have to wait afterall. I was told if I did not honor my contract i would be facing a 1 year military prison sentence. My recruiter accompanied me to the airport which i learned after the fact was very odd, and watched me get onto the flight. I told my recruiter that I was TB positive he told me to check off No on the medical form, and i failed the medical test for it in basic training and was forced to take the medication (which i kept in my mouth and spit out as I knew i was not supposed to use this medication since i had already completed taking it 15 years ago). I was stuck in a fat camp even though my recruiter said it wouldnt be a problem due to my asvab testing score. I eventually found a way to get ischarged, and while sitting around waiting for my papers to go through (while still getting paid) met up with 4 other kids that were recruited through the same office and were waiting to be discharged. This was also in 2000, before the iraq war even started. But I made about $3000 and im not not elligable for the Draft so its all good.
  • spkrcity, on 07/23/2008, -5/+0The military is for people who need their hand held through life.
  • highlymodified, on 07/23/2008, -1/+5Hey all, this is important, but there's no reason to wade through getbud.com for it.

    Direct link:
    http://ivaw.org/truth
    • rareblue, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3I agree we supplied a link to the PDF and digg has buried the story again. Apparently Iraq Vets aren't important to Digg.
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