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Obama and Hillary attend Bilderberg conference 2008
americangoy.blogspot.com — There are virtually no news stories on the just concluded (5 – 8 June 2008) Bilderberg meeting, in Chantilly, Virginia. This is not newsworthy, because nobody important attended... only people like Bernanke, chairman of the FED, the president of World Bank, Condoleezza Rice, Director of the National Security Agency... and Obama and Hillary.
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- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -57/+174Hillary and Obama should be arrested under the Logan Act:
The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.
953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004- freedomwv, on 06/09/2008, -10/+46You are exactly right. They should be arrested under the Logan Act.
- americangoy, on 06/09/2008, -4/+55But then so should everybody who accepted AIPAC money..
or Saudi money...
Which pretty much covers (both Saudi and AIPAC money) every politician currently in office, from the president on down to the freshman Congressman...- vbullinger, on 06/09/2008, -5/+42Sweet, then our government would be run by Cynthia McKinney, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Ralph Nadar and Ron Paul and everyone in his Liberty Caucus :)
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -9/+19"Sweet, then our government would be run by Cynthia McKinney, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Ralph Nadar and Ron Paul and everyone in his Liberty Caucus :)"
My god, I just came.
OK, maybe not, but I was close :-)
It is time to put away the bullsh*t conservative vs liberal media talking points - we are all in this together.
So what if some of us are more "lib" than "con" - there are core issues we can agree on.
Like loving this country... - PhilLesh69, on 06/10/2008, -3/+14Why do we still allow our national leaders to support AIPAC and Saudi interests?
Isn't that un-American? Shouldn't that be un-American?
15 of the 19 terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 were saudis.
Our involvement with and support for Israel has produced most of the terrorist attacks against us, from the Beirut Marine Barracks bombing, to the Berlin and Munich Disco bombings,to the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking, to the Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya embassy bombings.
We need to be "engaged" in those places, because they want to kill us for our freedoms, right?
I don't watch Fox News Channel, so I am not eager to see an American Empire, it just doesn't make sense to me. Because I'm a "liberal commie", regardless of my conservative credentials, having grown up in a family where my father was a 64 West Point grad, who went to Vietnam as an Airborne Ranger and Pathfinder in 1965 as the first US Based ground forces, who defended an artillery support based during the "we were soldiers" battle.
Chickenhawks are what we in the military community call people who love the idea of war without any contribution to war. They are the fools who pound their chests and scream loudly looking for the next war, but have no idea what war is about. ***** the chickenhawks. They are actually cowards, trying to feel manly by cheerleading for war. Their cheerleader skirts expose their *****, however. Their tampons are showing. They are girls, not men.
- americangoy, on 06/09/2008, -4/+55But then so should everybody who accepted AIPAC money..
- chellebelly, on 06/09/2008, -8/+31Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the Logan Act. Peace :)
- yellowcakewalk, on 06/10/2008, -6/+20List of Bilderberg attendees, past and present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_at ...- yellowcakewalk, on 06/10/2008, -3/+16The ones that appear on Wikipedia, anyway.
- lamiaconfitor, on 06/10/2008, -16/+6The ***** Bilderberg conspiracy theorists are retarded, sorry, dumb asses. The conspiracy theories are all based on the fact that they acknowledged that overpopulation is a problem, and all you stupid bastards think that means they are planning global genocide. in fact, the Bilderberg group is a group of concerned global citizens who are discussing (not negotiating) the issues of the global community. ***** anarchist groups have been invited to the meetings and have found no dirt on them. ANARCHISTS for ***** sake. Who gives a *****, go to the conference your damned selves and judge.
unless you think that programs to give condoms to people in booming populations is evil, STFU.- obliviousfool, on 06/10/2008, -2/+14You are retarded. The group is not open to the public and the attendees are sworn to secrecy, therefore, no one outside of that group knows what they discuss.
- lamiaconfitor, on 06/10/2008, -6/+1to obliviousfool... except for press groups.
- relic180, on 06/10/2008, -1/+7Concerned citizens my ass. Did you even read the list of attendees?
Whether they propose genocide is not really the point, because we don't if they did since the MEETINGS ARE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. What is important, is that it is fairly certain that this group of people are dictating the major events around the world toward their own goals. And the only info that ever makes it out of those meetings are from anonymous contacts that leak the stuff. Look it up.
The problem with this is that it is not democracy, it is not freedom, and it has only one inevitable outcome; a one world government with a tiny group of mega-wealthy holding the other 99% of the planet's population under their massive thumb.
This isn't positive change, this isn't ethical behavior, and it's not natural order of things.
Further, whether anarchists have attending the meeting or not (you plan on skipping the citation on that one?), what exactly does that have to do with anything? To claim that the only thing happening at these conferences is discussing "condom programs" has got to be the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've ever heard.
Thanks, and gtfo of my country you passive waste of space.
- JasonHears, on 06/10/2008, -11/+69Umm.. Both Clinton and Obama are US Senators. They have the dubious privilege of being able to speak as a representative of the United States. If you can show me where they undertook "unauthorized negotiations" with foreign governments, please do...
In the meantime, if you're looking for crimes against our country, check these offenses out: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/impeacharticles. ...
Oh, and I'm not condoning nor endorsing what happens at the Bilderberg conference.- jamesLankford, on 06/10/2008, -4/+11you're obviously intelligent
what are you doing on digg ?- relic180, on 06/10/2008, -0/+4Oh I get it! HaHa!! Very smooth... everybody on digg is stupid. That's classic.
- frazier428, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2OBAMA AND THE SECRETIVE BILDERBERG GROUP
OBAMA'S VP CHOOSER IS FROM BILDERBERG
http://digg.com/world_news/Obama_and_the_Secretive ...
- jamesLankford, on 06/10/2008, -4/+11you're obviously intelligent
- dinot, on 06/10/2008, -12/+35RON PAUL!!!!
- MarkusGarvey, on 06/10/2008, -19/+7dude!...you are so 3 months ago!...
- MrColdheart, on 06/10/2008, -6/+18Unfortunately how can you prove they're negotiating with foreign governments? It is for all intents and purposes a private and secret gathering.
- bales, on 06/10/2008, -0/+12This is a question you need to ask Obama and Hillary. It's complete nonsense to believe that these are "peace" meetings if they're held in complete secrecy.
- 1timeuser, on 06/10/2008, -1/+3For all we know they were having a slumber party secretly.
- relic180, on 06/10/2008, -0/+6@1timeuser
And for all we know they were sacrificing babies to the god of roadcones, while peeling the skin off their own eyelids and eating it.
The point is we don't know, but if it was something the rest of us were going to be ok with, then why would they go to such great lengths to keep it secret?
- bales, on 06/10/2008, -0/+12This is a question you need to ask Obama and Hillary. It's complete nonsense to believe that these are "peace" meetings if they're held in complete secrecy.
- Derelict267, on 06/10/2008, -17/+5Another conspiracy-adherent Daniel Estulin, writing in Nexus magazine, a magazine which runs anti-vaccination, Big foot, and UFO articles, along with glowing advertorials for Holocaust denier and neo-Nazi linked David Irving and his writings, [12] claims the long-term purpose of Bilderberg is to "Build a One-World Empire." He states the group "is not the end but the means to a future One World Government"
-wikipedia- HumanCattle, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8Another astroturfed wikipedia article... what a surprise!
- Winston84, on 06/10/2008, -2/+11You Sir, have clearly never read a single line published by
Bilderberg-members,the CFR or The Trilateral Commission.
If you had you would know that the reason Estulin says that a
One World Government is their goal is because they themselves say so .
- Shiftgood, on 06/10/2008, -11/+2Yeah uhhh it was written in 1799? they can be fined for this?.... im guessing... 50 cents at the most?
- d03boy, on 06/10/2008, -2/+4when was the bible written?
- mrigns, on 06/10/2008, -1/+61924
- 1timeuser, on 06/10/2008, -1/+110000000000 years ago by xenu.
- nocash23, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1yeah and how many people have been tried under it? ZERO
- d03boy, on 06/10/2008, -2/+4when was the bible written?
- babakshirazi, on 06/10/2008, -11/+21
The last time I checked, Obama & Clinton are both US Senators and can talk to whomever they please in foreign governments. Talking != negotiating. - nydwarf, on 06/10/2008, -3/+6Has anyone been convicted under this act lately?
- iloveazngurlzs, on 06/10/2008, -3/+13me. I was writing my penpal in japan and got arrested.
- nocash23, on 06/10/2008, -2/+3how about none... EVER.
- harrisbradley, on 06/10/2008, -6/+10"The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments." sorry, they're authorized.
- yacks, on 06/10/2008, -9/+10NWO Sheeple need to learn how to read the Logan Act.
"with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof,"
Even if they were not authorized.. It does not go against the LOgan Act just by talking to a bunch of people in foreign governments. Other than the secrecy of the group.. the Logan Act is all they have and that is very weak considering if you actually read the whole Logan Act instead of the certain snippets conspiracy theroists want you to see.- lamiaconfitor, on 06/10/2008, -2/+4I love how these idiots are digging you down. Its funny, and really, really sad.
- yacks, on 06/10/2008, -1/+3@lamiaconfitor: It's because this version of the Logan Act does not support their theory where they are trying to say politicians are meeting there illegally and they want to suppress it because if people actually read it and understood it a little more, a big part of their claim goes away.
- yacks, on 06/10/2008, -9/+10NWO Sheeple need to learn how to read the Logan Act.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/10/2008, -0/+6"The Logan Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]) is a single federal statute making it a crime for a citizen to confer with foreign governments against the interests of the United States. Specifically, it prohibits citizens from negotiating with other nations on behalf of the United States without authorization.
Congress established the Logan Act in 1799, less than one year after passage of the ALIEN AND SEDITION ACTS, which authorized the arrest and deportation of ALIENS and prohibited written communication defamatory to the U.S. government. The 1799 act was named after Dr. George Logan. A prominent Republican and Quaker from Pennsylvania, Logan did not draft or introduce the legislation that bears his name, but was involved in the political climate that precipitated it.
In the late 1790s, a French trade embargo and jailing of U.S. seamen created animosity and unstable conditions between the United States and France. Logan sailed to France in the hope of presenting options to its government to improve relations with the United States and quell the growing anti-French sentiment in the United States. France responded by lifting the embargo and releasing the captives. Logan's return to the United States was marked by Republican praise and Federalist scorn. To prevent U.S. citizens from interfering with negotiations between the United States and foreign governments in the future, the Adams administration"- yacks, on 06/10/2008, -0/+7953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, ***with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof***, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Read between the '***'- PhilLesh69, on 06/10/2008, -1/+4No need to read between the asterisks. We should all know the difference between public opinion and foreign influence.
- dharmacrat, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2Alien and sedition act, you say? That was a totally non controversial piece of legislation that was never used to silence dissidents.
- yacks, on 06/10/2008, -0/+7953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
- KMye, on 06/10/2008, -9/+14When did digg become dumber than the general populace? I feel like it didn't used to be the case, but judging from the diggs on the top comment, it's definitely the case now.
Aside from the fact the actual text of the act shows that it doesn't apply here, anyone who chose to do 5 minutes of independent research would figure out the same (US State Dept in 1975: "The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments"), unless they buy into Alex Jones' profit-driven, disingenuous, and completely baseless claims the group is somehow discussing, deciding on, and distributing plans for a one-world government in a 3-day a year meeting. Anyone with an even half-average serving of common sense should be able to make a long list of reasons why Jones' ***** is ridiculous; I understand I'm not putting these forward here, but I already wasted too much of my life doing that in the last Bilderberg story that front-paged a couple days ago, and finally, completely, learned the lesson that arguing against a lack of common sense is pointless; you either get it, or you don't.- wakananda, on 06/10/2008, -3/+12That's a lot of bitter wind up our pantlegs just to promote "common sense." Alex Jones is profit-driven? He's soiled by making a living at what he does? Not like ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, et al - *they* are motivated solely by the prospect of elevating our understanding - do I have that right?
And of course, the idea that a group of powerful people might want to rule the world is patently ridiculous. Powerful people throughout history have never wanted to do that. They just want to help people.
Decide for yourself. Use Jones as a point of departure for your own research. www.prisonplanet.com
- wakananda, on 06/10/2008, -3/+12That's a lot of bitter wind up our pantlegs just to promote "common sense." Alex Jones is profit-driven? He's soiled by making a living at what he does? Not like ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, et al - *they* are motivated solely by the prospect of elevating our understanding - do I have that right?
- jamesLankford, on 06/10/2008, -9/+4what a ***** idiot you are
- mickrussom, on 06/10/2008, -4/+9Both p0wn3d by the AIPAC and the Bilderbergers.
Change. Sure.- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3Change = more of the same with different packaging.
- Winston84, on 06/10/2008, -2/+7And that is exactly why Bilderberg,CFR, The Trilaterals etc call themselves
"private" organizations, "suspend membership" for any co-conspirator holding
elected public office and claim that all members participate as "private citizens" . - damonic, on 06/10/2008, -1/+2That's funny. On June 7th, Hillary was conceding the primary race. Did she make her speech from this conference?
- LenBaird, on 06/10/2008, -2/+5Obama's campaign also kidnapped the entire press corps by tricking them into getting on a plane headed for Chicago with the promise he would be there. They were told "sorry, he wants to attend private meetings." CNN has video of a reporter asking an Obama staffer about it as they are flown against their will 600 miles away from the candidate they were attempting to cover.
- lamiaconfitor, on 06/10/2008, -3/+2the press isnt up his ass 24/7? jesus, he must be evil!
- LenBaird, on 06/10/2008, -1/+4They were waiting for Obama to show up. A fake motorcade showed up. After the plane was locked down, they were finally told, "oh sorry we lied, and you are now going to be flown halfway across the country so that he can ditch you."
Transparency.... except when you want to break the Logan act and avoid being removed from office and charged with a crime... then just fake the entire press corps into going 600 miles so no one can report that you broke the law. What a guy!
- LenBaird, on 06/10/2008, -1/+4They were waiting for Obama to show up. A fake motorcade showed up. After the plane was locked down, they were finally told, "oh sorry we lied, and you are now going to be flown halfway across the country so that he can ditch you."
- KMye, on 06/10/2008, -2/+1And it turns out he was at Feinstein's house meeting with Clinton; or is that all an elaborate ruse by the Bilderbergers?
- LenBaird, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3If he were having a legal, private meeting, how would having the press waiting for him to finish nearby keep him from doing that? Did they hijack the entire press corps to Chicago so he could have a simple, private meeting? He doesn't have to let the press into Diane Feinstein's house.
No. He did it because he was breaking the law (Logan Act) and wanted to make sure the press was as far away as possible while he slipped away.
I understand supporting him, of the 3 choices I think he is the least bad. But, I think we all need to come to the realization that all 3 are bad. 90% of our federal government it seems has gone completely corrupt, working for corporations and against the citizens they swear an oath to serve, via our laws, and especially our constitution.
There are some who try to stand up for what is right (Kucinich for example with his articles of Impeachment yesterday), but they are overwhelmed by others working against what is good for We The People.
I think Obama clearly is heavily influenced by those who wish to rig the system towards huge corporations and banks, just like most of the rest.
- LenBaird, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3If he were having a legal, private meeting, how would having the press waiting for him to finish nearby keep him from doing that? Did they hijack the entire press corps to Chicago so he could have a simple, private meeting? He doesn't have to let the press into Diane Feinstein's house.
- lamiaconfitor, on 06/10/2008, -3/+2the press isnt up his ass 24/7? jesus, he must be evil!
- supersirj, on 06/10/2008, -1/+0Isn't this kind of what Jimmy Carter just recently did then?
- frazier428, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2OBAMA AND THE SECRETIVE BILDERBERG GROUP
OBAMA'S VP CHOOSER IS FROM BILDERBERG
http://digg.com/world_news/Obama_and_the_Secretive ...
- freedomwv, on 06/09/2008, -10/+46You are exactly right. They should be arrested under the Logan Act.
- stienster, on 06/09/2008, -21/+48Please take a minute to read, sign, and share this petition link:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/3/stop-the-madness- chaosium, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8While I think this is silly, just for your benefit, internet petitions are quite possibly the dumbest use of your time. Nothing in the history of internet petition sites has ever been solved by doing so.
- stienster, on 06/10/2008, -3/+4I hear ya, but I'm trying it. If I can get 1000 signatures, I'm sending it off to the UN High Commission for Human Rights. We have NOTHING left to do but protest, have a voice against the evil that does whatever it wants in this world. People can't just sit and do nothing, and at least, this IS something.
- chaosium, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1Mail letters. The UN High Commission doesn't give two ***** for online e-petitions.
- stienster, on 06/10/2008, -3/+4I hear ya, but I'm trying it. If I can get 1000 signatures, I'm sending it off to the UN High Commission for Human Rights. We have NOTHING left to do but protest, have a voice against the evil that does whatever it wants in this world. People can't just sit and do nothing, and at least, this IS something.
- nocash23, on 06/10/2008, -2/+3i think thats known as "passive democracy" and sometimes even "democracy for lazy *****". with people signing such as gucciboy69, hiltonfan, and gmrdude im sure well see some results... but dont let that stop you. lead the armchair activists to their inevitable victory with your silly online petition. way to do nothing.
- chaosium, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8While I think this is silly, just for your benefit, internet petitions are quite possibly the dumbest use of your time. Nothing in the history of internet petition sites has ever been solved by doing so.
- americangoy, on 06/09/2008, -14/+80http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080605/20080605006246.html ...
Official Bilderberg press release:
"The 56th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Chantilly, Virginia, USA 5 – 8 June 2008."
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/06/06/politics/f ...
"The controversy began to develop after a campaign rally in Bristow, Virginia, when the press was whisked away to Dulles Airport outside of Washington, D.C., to board a flight to Chicago. According to campaign staffers, Obama had scheduled interviews with local Chicago television reporters and would meet up at the airport shortly. After waiting for Obama for over an hour, the situation on the plane quickly went from tiresome to alarming once the pilot informed the press that the doors had been locked and the plane was about to take off.
As the plane rolled down the tarmac, the press quickly realized that Obama had never boarded the flight and we had all been duped.
(...)
As we began to frantically call our assignment desks to alert them that the presumptive Democratic nominee was running free in Washington, the plane took off for Chicago, leaving us trapped on a plane.
The tight-lipped Gibbs chose to brief the press on Obama’s whereabouts only after the plane was airborne."
http://www.metwashairports.com/Dulles/
"Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) is located in Chantilly, VA on 12000 acres of land 26 miles from downtown Washington, DC."
Obviously, all this is a GIGANTIC coincidence.....- kemp34, on 06/09/2008, -0/+22Unreal.
- americangoy, on 06/09/2008, -1/+26The kidnapping of reporters is a nice touch.
"However, Gibbs failed to explain why the press was fooled into believing that Obama would be on the flight to Chicago and why we were not given the chance to de-plane once we learned that Obama would be staying in Washington. He simply said, with a mischievous grin, “We could have sat on the runway for a couple of hours so we decided to go."
Upon landing in Chicago, Gibbs informed the weary travelers that Obama had indeed met with Clinton as part of the end of the primary process. Details surrounding the meeting were not released, nor was the location disclosed. Shortly thereafter, both campaigns released the following statement:
“Senator Clinton and Senator Obama met tonight and had a productive discussion about the important work that needs to be done to succeed in November.”"
Got that?
"However, Gibbs failed to explain why the press was fooled into believing that Obama would be on the flight to Chicago and why we were not given the chance to de-plane once we learned that Obama would be staying in Washington. He simply said, with a mischievous grin, “We could have sat on the runway for a couple of hours so we decided to go." "
They were not allowed to leave the plane; they were literally kidnapped.
And all this to prevent them reporting on an Obama-Hillary meeting, information which was released anyway to them and to the world a few hours later?
Puh-lease.- americangoy, on 06/09/2008, -1/+21"the press was whisked away to Dulles Airport outside of Washington, D.C., to board a flight to Chicago".
"Obama had scheduled interviews with local Chicago television reporters and would meet up at the airport shortly".
"After waiting for Obama for over an hour, the situation on the plane quickly went from tiresome to alarming once the pilot informed the press that the doors had been locked and the plane was about to take off."
This is hilarious, in a sick sort of a way...
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/06/06/politics/f ...
I am still amazed at how the whole thing went down, and how the reporters (who are not idiots and DO know that the Bilderberg meeting happening a few miles from where they were kidnapped)...
...are not allowed to put 2+2 together and write a report connecting Chantilly VA airport, where they were kidnapped, to the Chantilly VA Bilderberg meeting, which they cannot report on.- TYRONEBR549, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1If these "media kooks" think it strange to be kidnapped they should just wait till they get him elected. Then they will really be surprised when they are tricked onto trains for the concentration camps.
- americangoy, on 06/09/2008, -1/+21"the press was whisked away to Dulles Airport outside of Washington, D.C., to board a flight to Chicago".
- frazier428, on 06/11/2008, -2/+2OBAMA AND THE SECRETIVE BILDERBERG GROUP
OBAMA'S VP CHOOSER IS FROM BILDERBERG
http://digg.com/world_news/Obama_and_the_Secretive ...
- lazerus9, on 06/09/2008, -14/+48Just think of all the video evidence that will be presented at their trials for treason! They really are making it too easy!
- BigManOnCampus, on 06/10/2008, -10/+46I read these things that Americangoy finds, and they're all interesting, and they're all news to me. It's just that it's all starting to smack of conspiracy, and that makes me pause and think things like "I need to stop and do my own research."
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -6/+30"It's just that it's all starting to smack of conspiracy, and that makes me pause and think things like "I need to stop and do my own research.""
Do it!
I beg you!
Find a hole in my arguments, and post a comment and email me.
Say, 'in such and such a post you were wrong here!'.
I will even credit you on my blog (not that you will be famous or anything, it is a small bloggy :-)
My favorite saying right now is though:
"It's not conspiracy if it's out there in the open".
And there really isn't.... it's all there, links and proof.. just critical thinking required.
Cheers, and stay a sceptic!- PhilLesh69, on 06/10/2008, -1/+13don't forget that many people use "conspiracy theory" as a derogatory term that allows them to dismiss any and all information that makes them feel uncomfortable. They believe some contrived truth, and anything that threatens their beliefs must be either conspiracy theory or liberal commie *****.
Intellectual honesty is long gone.- Conspiracy20, on 06/10/2008, -0/+4remember the old adage "what you don't know won't hurt you?" It's a lie. :) Thanks Goy, your words strike true.
- Archos, on 06/10/2008, -6/+3"A sceptic is someone who comes from a fixed position and then filters all evidence to the contrary, and the main method is by always finding another explanation for something, no matter how far fetched and ludicrous. By finding another means of explaining away something that challenges their fixed position, they can maintain the fixed position; and that’s the whole idea of the exercise: defending their belief. It is irrelevant if the explanation they come with up is not valid — they never bother to research that. So long as they can find something, anything, that’s enough to preserve the perception." - David Icke
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/6661/48/- BigManOnCampus, on 06/10/2008, -2/+4That is easily the most inaccurate definition of a skeptic I've ever read, dugg down.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1You're quoting a guy who believes in shape-shifting reptilians, one of whom happens to be George Bush.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/10/2008, -1/+13don't forget that many people use "conspiracy theory" as a derogatory term that allows them to dismiss any and all information that makes them feel uncomfortable. They believe some contrived truth, and anything that threatens their beliefs must be either conspiracy theory or liberal commie *****.
- moontime, on 06/10/2008, -5/+13Yes!!! Please do your own research. Never defer to "experts" or take anyone's word for it. Its not a conspiracy "theory" if you can prove it!
- Winston84, on 06/10/2008, -1/+8Good ! The first thing you might want to research is : how many people are
convicted of "conspiracy to commit..." each year, that might cure you of the delusion
that conspiracies don't happen .. all the time ! - Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -1/+2The blog needs to be formatted better... It's almost a conspiracy that it is poorly put together.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -1/+3sorry.
I try my best but am not a professional blogger :-)- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -2/+1
I just meant that it is a little hard to follow with the previous entries essentially quoted again... - americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -1/+1for emphasis :-)
yes, I do that a lot....
- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -2/+1
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -1/+3sorry.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -6/+30"It's just that it's all starting to smack of conspiracy, and that makes me pause and think things like "I need to stop and do my own research.""
- kelstock, on 06/10/2008, -9/+54I think 'we the people' should try a little unauthorized wiretapping ourselves, especially of Bilderberg style events. After all, I thought the official line was "if you don't have anything to hide, and aren't a terrorist, why would you mind us listening to your conversations and being spied upon?".
I guess these events are for my own security and protection and ensure the health of democracy around the world. /self medicates some kool-aid and gets back to watching ATHF.- trixterIreland, on 06/10/2008, -4/+10Bilderberg hires a team of TSCM professionals, basically they very aggressively sweep the building where it will be held for any type of camera, microphone, etc. Powered or not it can be found, and there are usually physical inspections of everything especially in the room where they all talk.
This is not just people with a frequency counter and a scanner, they use everything from ultrawide band radar, nonlinear junction detectors, oscor style analyzers, etc. There is some real skill and real equipment purpose built to find this stuff.
That is not saying you cant, but it is saying that it would be damned hard to get it past them, assuming you could figure out who does the planning for it and locate where they will meet for next years meeting.- dementia, on 06/10/2008, -3/+3How could you possibly know that?
- jimmiss, on 06/10/2008, -1/+3God I hate people who ask that question. YES there are people who know all kinds of stuff about things you've NEVER heard of.
Personally, I don't know if it's true, but it seems pretty likely considering there are presidential candidates there. The technology required to do these things is really really cheap now.
Never the less I believe our hackers could beat their engineers any day.
- jimmiss, on 06/10/2008, -1/+3God I hate people who ask that question. YES there are people who know all kinds of stuff about things you've NEVER heard of.
- dementia, on 06/10/2008, -3/+3How could you possibly know that?
- jimmiss, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2http://digg.com/gadgets/Spy_Helicopter_for_40
- trixterIreland, on 06/10/2008, -4/+10Bilderberg hires a team of TSCM professionals, basically they very aggressively sweep the building where it will be held for any type of camera, microphone, etc. Powered or not it can be found, and there are usually physical inspections of everything especially in the room where they all talk.
- iancgi, on 06/10/2008, -10/+66Ask yourselves why is there a complete media blackout of this. Type Bilderberg in google news and you get barely 3 pages and none are mainstream news.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -4/+21Go to CNN, FOX, Reuters and type BILDERBERG.
You get no hits - I was amazed!- yacks, on 06/10/2008, -10/+1What do you want them to report? "In Virginia The Bilderberg Conference was held." not much of a story there..Everything else regarding the conference is pure speculation.
- iancgi, on 06/10/2008, -0/+6I want them to report why US politicians are violating the Logan act by meeting with foreign official in private.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -0/+6"What do you want them to report? "In Virginia The Bilderberg Conference was held.""
Well, yes, actually.
That is exactly what I want them to report. - yacks, on 06/10/2008, -2/+1@iancgi:
Unfornately, contrary to popular belief, They are not violating the Logan Act. Read the act yourself. IT does not say they cannot meet with foreign officials in private. IT says they cannot meet with foreign officials with intent to influence them. Talking != intent to influence.
- yacks, on 06/10/2008, -10/+1What do you want them to report? "In Virginia The Bilderberg Conference was held." not much of a story there..Everything else regarding the conference is pure speculation.
- trixterIreland, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8always has been, always will be. This is not the first bilderberg conference, it wont be the last, and looking at the list its a who's who of world runners. The ones that are most able to affect policy on a global level, and infact that is one of the things they say they do talk about, but never any details.
If every there was anything like the illuminati this would be it.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -4/+21Go to CNN, FOX, Reuters and type BILDERBERG.
- MrFunStuff, on 06/10/2008, -14/+42Don"t vote for international banker puppets, its just that simple
- mvlazysusan, on 06/10/2008, -1/+3GO RON PAUL
- Conspiracy20, on 06/10/2008, -11/+24Excellent column Goy
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -2/+6Thanks, appreciated :-)
- ivan423, on 06/10/2008, -18/+6Holy crap, it's the New World Order! It's pandemonium 2008! Everything is crazy as hell!
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -5/+8and it's raining trolls... hallelujah...and it's raining trolls .... uuuu uuuu ahhhh!
:-)
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -5/+8and it's raining trolls... hallelujah...and it's raining trolls .... uuuu uuuu ahhhh!
- ZenFountain, on 06/10/2008, -10/+46Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, The Rockefellers...ringing any bells? Oh wait, you're ***** crazy if you think "the elite" meet up in a hotel once a year to plot world domination.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -14/+10Ah, it's the dude from DKos.
Welcome to my little community on DIGG :-)
And, errr, please refrain from calling people names, whether you agree or disagree with their viewpoints.
Manners and civility go a long way.
Enjoy your stay!
PS
Meanwhile, it is somewhat de rigeur to READ an article before commenting on it :-)- meepus, on 06/10/2008, -2/+7"it is somewhat de rigeur to READ an article before commenting on it"
On digg? You're obviously delusional.- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -1/+2point... :-)
- meepus, on 06/10/2008, -2/+7"it is somewhat de rigeur to READ an article before commenting on it"
- ritter99, on 06/10/2008, -4/+2ah world domination ... they just enjoy each other`s presence a bit, having coffee together, and being relieved that - at least only for a couple of hours - they have no loosers around (except for the personell, but somebody has to serve the coffee).
- nirosive, on 06/10/2008, -3/+3You took the blue pill and ate the steak. "Ignorance is bliss". Truth is too painful.
- itsabrandnewday, on 06/10/2008, -1/+2what would you talk about with all the world leaders if you were the one in place to take over control of the most powerful country in the world? the new sex and the city? open your eyes, man.
- kuzotz, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2they're already elite so how could they dominate more?
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -14/+10Ah, it's the dude from DKos.
- AlwaysAwake, on 06/10/2008, -18/+6Buried, because too much about AIPAC, and not enough about Bilderberg. When are we going to get it that The Rothschilds, and their partners sponsored the Zionist movement to get as many Jews as they could into one place, so that they, along with the Muslims will be exterminated in the coming planned World War III, leaving much of the Middle East, except for Iraq, uninhabitable from nuclear, biological, and chemical war leftovers. There is plenty of oil elsewhere, which will be "discovered" later, when the appropriate time comes, so the fact that the Middle East oil cannot be extracted is of no concern to them. It will also eliminate the Sovereign Wealth Funds, which are competing with them for corporate ownership at bargain prices, a real threat to their core business of issuing fiat paper currency.
- Thumper13, on 06/10/2008, -22/+5Watch out! There's someone behind you!!!!
No, over there!
Quick...look....
omgz....maybe they are planning the next 9/11.- kemp34, on 06/10/2008, -5/+8So you have no problem with Obama locking his press corps down on his plane and sending them to Chicago as he met with the global elite at the Bilderberg conference?
- erasedgod, on 06/10/2008, -2/+5What? It's not like there has ever been an actual conspiracy before... just a bunch of silly theories. Nope, no need to think about anything.
I'm sure all these people just met up to play a quick game of poker.
- erasedgod, on 06/10/2008, -2/+5What? It's not like there has ever been an actual conspiracy before... just a bunch of silly theories. Nope, no need to think about anything.
- kemp34, on 06/10/2008, -5/+8So you have no problem with Obama locking his press corps down on his plane and sending them to Chicago as he met with the global elite at the Bilderberg conference?
- kemp34, on 06/10/2008, -10/+34It'd be nice if they let this hit the front page. Who's burying?
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -6/+12No one as far as I can tell.
It's steadily climbing.
Front page would be great, we shall see. - jrm5100, on 06/10/2008, -10/+5I am. This is inaccurate since it presents no proof that either Hillary or Obama attended the meeting. They met at Feinstein's house in Washington DC the night that this guy claims they went to the meeting.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -5/+6"Actually, it is claimed by the media that they met at Feinstein's house in Washington DC the night that this guy (me) claims they went to the meeting".
Except no one saw Clinton leave that house, despite the hundreds of reporters circling the house.
she just poof.... disappeared.
Unless she was never there.
Blew your mind there... poof! :-)- jrm5100, on 06/10/2008, -4/+3Gee, maybe because you are talking about all of the reporters that were surrounding Hillary's house because they were tricked into thinking the meeting was there.
" On Thursday, reporters on Obama's press plane learned that the candidate was not aboard when it departed Virginia, where he had been campaigning. Aides said staff members had "scheduled him some meetings" in Washington.
The meeting originally was believed to be at Clinton's Washington home."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/06/clinton.oba ...
- jrm5100, on 06/10/2008, -4/+3Gee, maybe because you are talking about all of the reporters that were surrounding Hillary's house because they were tricked into thinking the meeting was there.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -5/+6"Actually, it is claimed by the media that they met at Feinstein's house in Washington DC the night that this guy (me) claims they went to the meeting".
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -6/+12No one as far as I can tell.
- paulell, on 06/10/2008, -11/+4Honestly, even if it were true that Obama met with them, what are the alternatives? Not vote and Leave the Country? Or maybe he really did just meet with Clinton and this is just some attempt to get you to not vote for Obama. Odds are the really good meetings happen more than once a year and this one is just for show :) Would be funny if it was just an empty hotel conference room...
- dafragsta, on 06/10/2008, -1/+3Honestly? Honesty. At least ***** come out and admit that's why the press plane was locked and en route before they were informed Barack Obama wasn't on board.
- ritter99, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1good question. I`ve heard there are political models and system that work very well, where everybody would live happily ever after, but never made it through ... (maybe google for political models that have been prohibited?).
- Tangaroa, on 06/10/2008, -11/+6Yawn. http://www.slate.com/id/2193220/
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -4/+7why the yawn?
"About this much the Bilderberg critics are right: The mainstream media ignored Bilderberg 2008. According to Nexis, Wonkette and Raw Story noted the event and the critics' objections on the Web. A simple Web search produces Bilderberg detractors Alex Jones and Jim Tucker sounding their alarms.
And about this, too, the Bilderberg critics are right: The meeting of 120 prominent world figures probably constitutes some kind of news."
Yeah, a meeting of 130 world leaders of countries, of multinational corporations, media moguls IS some kind of news.
But not for CNN, ABC, FOX or Reuters.
Curious.
Why not a single, simple mention: The Bilderberg group met, here and here, on such and such a date.
While secret, it is suspected that so and so attended.
So, what''s up?
Yawn at you I guess :-)- Tangaroa, on 06/10/2008, -4/+4Because it has happened every year for the past 60-something years along with a few other dozen yearly meetings of world leaders, some of which are just as secretive. The Bilderberg meeting is far from extraordinary.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -4/+7why the yawn?
- plimpton777, on 06/10/2008, -12/+90You know who didn't go? Ron Paul. Wasn't even invited...such bad manners, those Bilderbergers.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -4/+27Neither did Gravel nor Kucinich, if I am not mistaken.
- yellowcakewalk, on 06/10/2008, -3/+12Nor Cynthia McKinney nor Ralph Nader.
- danconia, on 06/10/2008, -0/+6Trust me you're not mistaken. Don't even have to look or Google a claim like that.
- invasi0n, on 06/10/2008, -4/+22Because Ron Paul is not for NAFTA, CAFTA, NWO, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDXHbgpoI80- dementia, on 06/10/2008, -3/+4Or because Ron Paul wields no real political power
- tolbs, on 06/10/2008, -0/+4Ron Paul hates Acronyms. I've seen the newsletters!
- plimpton777, on 06/10/2008, -0/+5But he LOVES the USA!
- DestroyFascism, on 06/10/2008, -2/+4They don't like giving anal to the population! Not perverse enough!
- nirosive, on 06/10/2008, -2/+5They're "upset" about Ron Paul. Skip to 2:04 to hear the discussion between Jim Tucker and Alex Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjTEFbB40DM
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -4/+27Neither did Gravel nor Kucinich, if I am not mistaken.
- jrm5100, on 06/10/2008, -11/+4This guy is either a nutcase or he is lying. We all know the Obama/Hillary meeting was at Feinstein's house in DC. There was no sneaking off to Virginia.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -6/+10Must be.
There is no other explanation.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/06/ ...
"From NBC's Ken Strickland
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a long-time Hillary Clinton supporter, told reporters today that she got the call from Clinton late yesterday afternoon asking to use her home for a meeting with Obama. Feinstein said she's offered up her house in previous conversations after Tuesday's final primaries.
"They just want an opportunity to meet together alone," she told reporters. The meeting started about 9:00 pm ET.
"I received them. Put them in the living room, two comfortable chairs facing one another and left." No staff, no security, just water for candidates. One person from each campaign sat in Feinstein's study. "They talked. I went upstairs and did my work."
About an hour later... "They called me when it was over. I came down and I said, 'Good night everybody. I hope you had a good meeting.' They were laughing, and that was it."
The California senator refused to give any other details about the conversation. "They got along very well," she said."
This must be true.
Especially this part: "No staff, no security, just water for candidates."
Sounds true to me. No secret service needed for Obama. Just water....
I mean, politicians never lie.
Interestingly, despite a crowd of reporters surrounding the house, no one actually SAW either Obama or Clinton leaving or entering the house.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -6/+10Must be.
- mit7, on 06/10/2008, -4/+7Well, so we know for sure McCain is not winning, Hil stepped down... that leaves...
BTW does anyone know a good place where I can place bets on the presidential race?- danconia, on 06/10/2008, -0/+4You're kidding if you think McCain is "for sure not winning". He goes to these types of meetings all the time. I think they're getting Obama to go so they can figure out whether they can use him to further their agenda. If not then he will not win the Presidency... as simple as that.
- mit7, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1I am not kidding. These types of meetings does not mean Bilderberg... McCain is ready to continue our current pres. policies and then some. Brzezinski and Kissinger (on behalf of Rockefeller and the bunch) for a more methodical and conservative approach to the same effect - NWO. What's actually being cooked up and getting ready to be served? I can only guess.
- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1So...did Obama get the secret teleportation watch that all members of the conspiracy supposedly receive a la *They Live*? Maybe only the Club of Rome gives those out nowadays. My bad on the wrong conspiracist group!
- NYCTulanian, on 06/10/2008, -0/+5well yeah, intrade.com
- danconia, on 06/10/2008, -0/+4You're kidding if you think McCain is "for sure not winning". He goes to these types of meetings all the time. I think they're getting Obama to go so they can figure out whether they can use him to further their agenda. If not then he will not win the Presidency... as simple as that.
- GhostyBoy, on 06/10/2008, -15/+57Obama was kinda starting to grow on me.
If it does get confirmed that he met with these guys then ***** him. He's an *****, too.
Why the ***** are people so eager to put their faith in politicians anyway? Aren't centuries of getting ***** on and lied to enough to learn from your mistakes?- danconia, on 06/10/2008, -3/+13But he's hip, young, and black! He's for *change* which apparently is exactly what everyone under the age of 25 thinks we need in this country right now.
Where the ***** is Ron Paul when you need him?- onelikeseabass, on 06/10/2008, -0/+7He's still in the race and regardless of whether or not he gets the Republican nomination you can still write him in come November. That's what I'll be doing and so will many others.
- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -4/+1...and by doing that, you ensure that Obama wins, just as every Republican that wasted their vote on that kook Ross Perot in 92 gave the Presidency to Bill Clinton.
- onelikeseabass, on 06/10/2008, -0/+7He's still in the race and regardless of whether or not he gets the Republican nomination you can still write him in come November. That's what I'll be doing and so will many others.
- DestroyFascism, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2Don't worry! Americans will grovel for the president any day....Its their loss, dying on their knees!
- danconia, on 06/10/2008, -3/+13But he's hip, young, and black! He's for *change* which apparently is exactly what everyone under the age of 25 thinks we need in this country right now.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -12/+26DEBUNKED?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/06/ ...
"From NBC's Ken Strickland
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a long-time Hillary Clinton supporter, told reporters today that she got the call from Clinton late yesterday afternoon asking to use her home for a meeting with Obama. Feinstein said she's offered up her house in previous conversations after Tuesday's final primaries.
"They just want an opportunity to meet together alone," she told reporters. The meeting started about 9:00 pm ET.
"I received them. Put them in the living room, two comfortable chairs facing one another and left." No staff, no security, just water for candidates. One person from each campaign sat in Feinstein's study. "They talked. I went upstairs and did my work."
About an hour later... "They called me when it was over. I came down and I said, 'Good night everybody. I hope you had a good meeting.' They were laughing, and that was it."
The California senator refused to give any other details about the conversation. "They got along very well," she said."
This must be true.
Especially this part: "No staff, no security, just water for candidates."
Sounds true to me. No secret service needed for Obama. Just water....
I mean, politicians never lie.
Interestingly, despite a crowd of reporters surrounding the house, no one actually SAW either Obama or Clinton leaving or entering the house.
If this is true (and very well may be), why the whole circus with the kidnapping of reporters? Why try to keep an Obama/Clinton meeting so hush hush, only to inform the world about it a few hours later?
Still doesn't gel for me, but hey, you may go with this explanation.- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8Debunking my debunking.
Using the CBS news blog:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/06/06/politics/f ...
"Communications director Robert Gibbs casually informed the press that Obama had stayed behind in Washington for “meetings”, without specifying who the meetings were with"
meetings... plural.
Slip of the tongue?
CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/06/clinton.oba ...
"The meeting began at 9 p.m. and lasted about an hour, Feinstein said."
"On Thursday, reporters on Obama's press plane learned that the candidate was not aboard when it departed Virginia, where he had been campaigning. Aides said staff members had "scheduled him some meetings" in Washington."
So, meetings.
And the supposed Feinstein-Obama meeting was only 1 hour.
Plenty of time.- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3Put the Debunked? on my blog also.
- Winston84, on 06/10/2008, -0/+6Ehrmm, you do realise that Dianne Feinstein is both a member
of the Trilateral Commission and a Bilderberger, right ?- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1That is why I put debunker and the "?" together.
As in make up your own mind.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1That is why I put debunker and the "?" together.
- breezytrees, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3ugh. Diane feinstien is one of the worst politicians I have ever followed. A wake of tremendous corruption follows her wherever she goes. She, along with davis, is pretty much the reason why arnold is governator right now.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8Debunking my debunking.
- invasi0n, on 06/10/2008, -1/+25Another article regarding Bilderberg 2008:
"What's New at Bilderberg 2008?"
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3995.html - digitronix, on 06/10/2008, -18/+34Whoever gave any money to Hillary or Obama, give yourself a pat on the back for being a tool for corrupt government.
- BillE3, on 06/12/2008, -0/+0Hillary got money the traditional method, including Bills contribution gathering. Obama on the other hand was very modern in his contribution gathering, he went to the internet. Large and small donations given through the internet are faster, easier and can include donations from all over the world. Hillary and McCain depended almost exclusively on Americans to give money through the regulated channels. They came up very short compared to Obama, he did not limit himself to just the American working man.
- sleepyjjk, on 06/10/2008, -3/+21Hm, I'm really not sure what to think about this. I read the whole article, googled Bilderberg and still don't know what to conclude - probably because I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist. I like to (or maybe, want to) believe that at least some of these people are honest and have no "secret plan to take over the world" but I will not rule out the possibility (though, I want to believe it's a very low possibility).
So, I'm going to digg this up to see what other diggers find and what they think about all this.- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -3/+10"Hm, I'm really not sure what to think about this"
Am in the same boat "_" - jandor, on 06/10/2008, -4/+1Hate to say this, but I was directed to Alex Jones infowars today and it was staring me straight in the face.
- wtfpwned98, on 06/10/2008, -6/+23It's good that you're skeptical. Here's the way I look at it...
1. Private clubs are nothing new. It may be nothing more than a big dinner party where everything is strictly off of the record, and just because we're not invited it doesn't mean that they're plotting against us. Our attitudes about social networking don't change as we climb the social ladder. You can talk to your peers without the media reporting on every word...can you blame them for wanting to do the same thing? Yes, ideally people in power wouldn't operate in secrecy (at least in any official capacity), but until there's a law restricting their freedom of association, they'll probably keep doing this.
2. Conspiracy theories appeal most to paranoid, lesser-educated people who are looking for answers but somehow forgot that there are any number of reliable places where they can find them. When you hear a conspiracy theory that sounds plausible, part of your brain is getting rewarded because you feel like you've found some rare bit of information or understanding of phenomena. Keep your brain under control. Skepticism is always important, and conspiracy theorists never let their skepticism get in the way of a story that works for them on other levels.
3. Real academics have job security, and all the time in the world to research whatever they want. Why not look into more conventional explanations first? Why should we let Alex Jones teach us that global elites are planning to exterminate 80% of the world's population? Why isn't he taken seriously by far more educated (and less paranoid) people? You really think that Noam Chomsky would be afraid to tell us if something like this was really going on, or that he would be afraid to look into it? Many people are aware of the nuts, but have decided that it's better to ignore them. You're better off ignoring them too.- SPThom, on 06/10/2008, -3/+5First bit of sense I've read in these comments so far.
- Mik1984, on 06/10/2008, -1/+2"Why should we let Alex Jones teach us that global elites are planning to exterminate 80% of the world's population?"
Who says it's Alex Jones teaching about it? Dr. Pianka and many other eugenicists are saying this. This is a recurring phrase in many of their documents.
Are they "planning" to do it? Planning is maybe the wrong word, since I believe they lack such capabilities, but there is enough evidence to show that's most probably their wet dream.
Noam Chomsky hasn't said anything worth to listen since 80' . Moreover he's a left wing dreamer and has his head sealed shut in paradigms.
He still believes that the Iraq war is a part of US imperialist policy. Iraq war is 0% imperialism, 70% corruption and 30% domestic political agenda. If you disagree, you lack knowledge.- wtfpwned98, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1See, there you go...the connection you're making between the Bilderberg conference and an unhinged radical who studies lizards...that's the stuff of which nutty conspiracies are made. Skepticism will set you free.
- Mik1984, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1And of course such things like "UN depopulation plans" did not exist either...
Dr. Pianka is not a sole unhinged loon, he's connected to an entire group of people called, the eugenicists are only the avantgarde of this entire thing. Mainstream of the cabal believes in one thing: more for them and less for everybody else. They welcome such views with open hands, because they serve their agenda. What AJ is probably somewhat off target here is that depopulation, when possible could serve their primary goal of installing insuppressible power.
But here I am talking to a wall. You never researched the subject and you probably never will before this issue is brought to such a mass that you'll comfortably go along with it, and it will be brought to such point, because no matter how much of BS is spoken it won't change what transpired and inevitably new people will be stumbling upon the evidence.
If 98 is you birth date, then you're excused, but what you are presenting here is defined as pseudoscepticism. Real skepticism is about doing your own research and not judging theories and statements by their initial credibility. - wtfpwned98, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1You're not talking to a wall, you're talking to someone who thinks you're paranoid (without sufficient evidence) about Bilderberg conferences. It's one thing to point to people who believe in depopulation...and btw, the Chinese one child policy is a "depopulation" policy, because replacement fertility rate requires each couple to have slightly more than 2 children in order to offset infant mortality, etc, so some of the "radicals" who believes in "depopulation" aren't exactly talking about exterminating 80% of the world's population in some kind of global holocaust...anyway, it's another thing altogether to suggest that because Obama and Hillary attend Bilderberg they must be part of some grand conspiracy, or that they're reptilians, or whatever it is certain people believe about certain elites. I understand how skepticism works, but if I told you the moon was made of cheese you're going to disagree, and I'll disagree with you here too, because I'm just not as paranoid as you are.
- Winston84, on 06/10/2008, -1/+5Yeah, coss all those people who have spent YEARS researching these NWO-fascist
know a lot less than you do after ten minutes on Google, right ? Conspiracy "theory" my foot ..
What's with this "theory" *****, people get locked away in the thousands
each year for "conspiracy to commit..." Kinda proves that conspiracies DO happen.. All the time !- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -1/+6...uhm, the American Revolution was a conspiracy... That's proof enough that they do transpire from time to time.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -3/+10"Hm, I'm really not sure what to think about this"
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -5/+41PICS or it didn't happen!!
http://cryptome.info/bilderberg08/bilderberg08.htm- DestroyFascism, on 06/10/2008, -0/+4NRO? Is that where Americans get digitized and assimilated?
- Ghoztt, on 06/10/2008, -8/+31Ah, the Republicrats, two sides of the same coin...
...and nobody seems to notice...
...nobody seems to care...
Go back to your cheap food, your crappy job, and your endless sense pleasing drugs, television and games. I'll be laughing when you Mundane are running around screaming "WHY IS THIS HAPPENING!? WHAT DID WE DO!?"
You missed the point. YOU DID NOTHING.- Sogui, on 06/10/2008, -5/+5You know how many months/years/decades/centuries people have been saying that about the US? (drugs/tv/games aside)
I can just see what your Great-Grandfather was yelling on the street corner, "KEEP GOING TO YOUR SILENT MOVIES AND DANCING WHILE IGNORING THE REAL PROBLEMS, I'LL BE LAUGHING WHEN THE VEIL COLLAPSES AROUND YOU".
- Sogui, on 06/10/2008, -5/+5You know how many months/years/decades/centuries people have been saying that about the US? (drugs/tv/games aside)
- Barackalypse, on 06/10/2008, -13/+16This shouldn't surprise you, Obama and Hillary are leftists, the only thing that excites them more than the prospect of a bigger federal government is one government for the entire planet, so you have no escape from their meddling in your life. This lines up quite well with their votes for Real ID and for re-authorizing the Patriot Act.
- 4d669, on 06/10/2008, -3/+13People should have noticed from the beginning. Obama voted for the Patriot Act many times and also for the Real ID act. His wife is also CFR. Don't know why nobody payed attention to all of this. Now we are seriously *****.
- fintheman, on 06/10/2008, -13/+3time to bury, brb
- blipblopblip, on 06/10/2008, -1/+3Buried you!
- Shiftgood, on 06/10/2008, -8/+14Yeah, there is a lot of speculation of a shadow government. But the thing is.. its so very limited and so very vunerable. Only US + Euros for the most part (so its not a golbal world power), 1 meeting a year, and its publicized when and where. With new people being invited every year it would seem that there would be a big security threat which would not be good. And why would they need new people every year?
They also want to talk and be open minded without being destroyed by the media. Probably use curse words and say things that people wouldnt like... but in all honesty, thats how ***** gets done.
So these guys do have lots of money, and lots of power...and i know the feeling... like... its ***** up that they go whisper to each other about us (the rest of the world) and they control our fate. It kinda make you feel helpless and scared... oh and jealous... because im sure they have awesome coke parties w/ really high end hookers too and then they get to drive really exotic cars around after that.
but this has been goin on. its kinda a networking party, only without the blue and white name tags.- dafragsta, on 06/10/2008, -4/+8You missed the ***** point entirely. G8, and other summits have a huge press coverage. Show me footage from Bilderberg 2008. Show me the minutes. They send out a press release almost pushing your nose into ***** and you can't even read about what was discussed. Go back to sleep *****. Your government is looking out for your best interests.
- Shiftgood, on 06/10/2008, -3/+5http://www.drugs.com/xanax.html
- kemp34, on 06/10/2008, -1/+1Of course you'd advocate medication. Telling. More soma please.
- Shiftgood, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2its a joke buddy.
- Shiftgood, on 06/10/2008, -3/+5http://www.drugs.com/xanax.html
- Winston84, on 06/10/2008, -2/+1You are totality missing the point :
Most of them are not elected and they have no legal mandate
to do what they do. Those of them who ARE elected would never talk honestly about this,
how many people do YOU know who thinks merging the US, Canada and Mexico is a good idea ?
Would you vote for a candidate who said it ?- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -1/+2The US Constitution was a product of closed-door negotiations because the public would never have supported it....
Most foreign treaties that the elected officials of the US government sign would never pass the muster at the ballot box if the Constitution allowed for Federal Initiatives/Plebicites. Well, the US/Canada free trade agreement would've passed, but it being morphed into NAFTA wouldn't have. Funny how various European nations allow their citizenry to vote on EU treaties but we're not allowed to over here for similar treaties.
- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -1/+2The US Constitution was a product of closed-door negotiations because the public would never have supported it....
- dafragsta, on 06/10/2008, -4/+8You missed the ***** point entirely. G8, and other summits have a huge press coverage. Show me footage from Bilderberg 2008. Show me the minutes. They send out a press release almost pushing your nose into ***** and you can't even read about what was discussed. Go back to sleep *****. Your government is looking out for your best interests.
- HouseofEl, on 06/10/2008, -14/+7Tin foil hat alert! Seriously, people give way too much credit to stuff like this.
- dafragsta, on 06/10/2008, -1/+4They announce their presence yet no one knows what's discussed because the press is not allowed to report on any of this. With the amount of US government represented at Bilderberg, it is actually a crime that they are attending and no one knows what's discussed.
- yacks, on 06/10/2008, -1/+2I agree.. It's a bunch of theories and speculation just because they meet in secret. You cannot pass theories and speculations around as if they are true. Want to give us any facts?
- paradexes, on 06/10/2008, -6/+7Vote for the unknown guy on the Ballot. Hell it will be better than voting for either party. You can bet McCain was there too. And if he was not....then he has been written off. Sad that we have lost our country to a threat much worse than nuke and terrorists....bankers and elite who think they rule it all. And with their influence cause many of the calamities that we deal with. This is not tin foil hat thinking. History shows us that this has happened in the past.
Cmon you ignorant fearful fools who claim this is conspiracy talk...wake up. This is the real deal. Nov. 2008 you will wake up and realize the world you thought lived in is over.- onelikeseabass, on 06/10/2008, -0/+5Write in Ron Paul.
- Shiftgood, on 06/10/2008, -1/+4Uhm... i think this meeting has been happening for decades... why is 2008 so different?
- rockstar555y, on 06/10/2008, -10/+36It is good that Diggers are finally taking a deeper look at Obama.
I have a feeling this guy may bring us tremendous buyer's remorse in the future.- yacks, on 06/10/2008, -11/+5Starting to feel buyer's remorse for buying those tinfoil hats? :)
- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -0/+4...just wait until the media turns on Obama... They've inflated him more than they did for Bill Clinton midway through the 92 election, or Ross Perot. Both had tremendous popular support until the media started scrutinizing them more....Clinton with his alleged affairs, and Perot for being a kook.
Of course, once the media determines their is good dirt on Obama and his wife to exploit for ratings, then there will be other elements that will accuse the media of being racist. You watch.- breezytrees, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3the truthfulness of your statement is so depressing :-(.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/10/2008, -8/+1I love Westfields. If you keep buying drinks, you can play pool all night long. It isn't like most places where you need to pay $10 or $15 an hour for the table. As long as you are drinking, you can keep playing pool all night long.
I've taken people to Westfields for happy hour and ended up paying over a thousand dollars on my bar tab, but we all played pool for free.
Their lunches are pretty good, too, if you don't mind spending $30 per person for lunch.- obliviousfool, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3Good job. You could have just bought a pool table instead.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2but I couldn't expense a pool table.
- obliviousfool, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1How do you know until you try? Call it a "horizontal physics simulator." You could expense several of those.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I like my job. No sense risking it by playing games with the accounting department.
submitting a $1,000 bar tab for reimbursement is already pushing it. I can only do it at the completion of a major project, or some other special occassion.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2but I couldn't expense a pool table.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1"What do you want them to report? "In Virginia The Bilderberg Conference was held." "
Wow, some "free" pool.
- obliviousfool, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3Good job. You could have just bought a pool table instead.
- dafragsta, on 06/10/2008, -4/+14Is it any clearer now why Rupert Murdoch had a hard-on to meet Obama?
- shrimp1970, on 06/10/2008, -8/+1Do you think this story is skewed or balanced. Please voice your opinion at http://www.skewz.com/link/link_details/7337?sectio ...
- meranting, on 06/10/2008, -6/+21I used to be a big conspiracy believer, a global conglomerate controlling everything. I've moved away from that out of the simple reason that I think it's over blown. There's no conspiracy when it happens right in front of your eyes. If you read 'confessions of an economic hit man' you might also agree that we're giving these people way too much credit. In reality it's just greedy business people getting together figuring out how they can continue to make their money - they're not conspiring, they're just doing their thing. Eisenhower knew this, warned us about it and here we are 50 years later with the military industrial complex dictating our next move.
It's the oldest argument of them all but it really is just about natural resources. If you look at the Globe and mark the spots that have the oil, you will see where the next wars will be waged and the PNAC has already laid this out years ago.- Lynxpro, on 06/10/2008, -3/+2...the problem with the Military Industrial Complex conspiracy theory is the fact that the Pentagon rarely wants to go to war; they just want continued funding and a healthy increase. Do you really think the Pentagon is sabre-rattling for an Iranian invasion at the moment with most of its resources already stretched too thin?
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -1/+5"There's no conspiracy when it happens right in front of your eyes."
Yes, it is all in the open. Seriously, you can spend 10 minutes on google and discover both the AIPAC and Bilderberg conspiracy... becuase, thanks to the internet, it's all out in the open.
"If you read 'confessions of an economic hit man' you might also agree that we're giving these people way too much credit."
Well, their actions affect the whole world.
If you are interested, here's my article on the 'Economic Hitman' - the proof:
http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/03/economic-h ...- wreckosaurus, on 06/10/2008, -3/+1Well gee, if it's on the internet, it must be true.
- kemp34, on 06/10/2008, -1/+2It's called due diligence, clown.
- wreckosaurus, on 06/10/2008, -3/+1Well gee, if it's on the internet, it must be true.
- LeCollectif, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3COAEH is a great book that puts a clear, bigger picture-perspective on some of modern history's greatest tragedies.
- Jitan, on 06/10/2008, -12/+4Again I ask: why is this paranoid nonsense making it to the front page?
- Waiting2awake, on 06/10/2008, -1/+1and again I'll answer - Because the truth must be set free, even if so many humans prefer to stay unaware.
Does it not bother you that people in charge - unofficially - with your country are unelected, meeting behind closed doors and making decisions that directly and indirectly affect you and your family for generations to come.....
and the media that is there primarily to keep an eye on those with power to make sure you are informed, have decided that somehow that isn't news....not when Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant anyway..- Zong, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3decisions are made by more than 140 people we have a congress and laws have to be approved by them similarly they have the same system in EU and Canada. All your doing is speculating that they are talking about evil and bad things, but it is equally true that they can be talking about good things. Judging by the state of the world now compared to 50 years ago we are in WAY WAY better shape. Further more all these people are replaceable they are public figures in elected positions and can be removed.
Using fear and paranoia is not a way to tell the truth that what the Bush Administration did. You want to tell me the truth then show me some evidence. Speculation is not evidence, and it's not truth. Tell just how they are going to take over the world and enslave humanity? How are they going to nuke 6 billion people, or infect 6 billion people without running a risk of eliminating them self? Their is no incentive to do this, humanity has advanced by leaps and bounded when we eliminated monarchy. Because we can only advance by working together the Evil NWO is fairy tale. We already live in a new world order where we have increased cooperation between nations. Decreased crime, and racial tensions between countries(Except for those that were recently created). And financial prosperity around the world for all types of people including in the US despite our current financial problems. The term NWO was used in the 1980's and was an accurate prediction of new world to come different from the one we had experienced during the cold war. - Jitan, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2The quality of this Bilderberg stupidity is pretty much on the same level as the pregnancy of either Spears.
- Zong, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3decisions are made by more than 140 people we have a congress and laws have to be approved by them similarly they have the same system in EU and Canada. All your doing is speculating that they are talking about evil and bad things, but it is equally true that they can be talking about good things. Judging by the state of the world now compared to 50 years ago we are in WAY WAY better shape. Further more all these people are replaceable they are public figures in elected positions and can be removed.
- Waiting2awake, on 06/10/2008, -1/+1and again I'll answer - Because the truth must be set free, even if so many humans prefer to stay unaware.
- SilverBlade2k, on 06/10/2008, -4/+15I always knew that no matter who you vote for, the same ***** will happen.
- SaladCactusKing, on 06/10/2008, -3/+11Why have none of the journalists on the plane pressed charges?
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1Because they want to keep their jobs...
And if they did raise a ruckus, they would no longer be embedded, not allowed to travel with Obama's campaign.
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1Because they want to keep their jobs...
- blipblopblip, on 06/10/2008, -3/+7First Day after Bilderberg and THIS:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JF06Dj ... - nastronomical, on 06/10/2008, -5/+7You think Hillary and Obama would admit to going? Ever heard of Misdirection? LOL
- UtopianComplex, on 06/10/2008, -4/+10Don't we want communication between world leaders?
- RedPhalanx, on 06/10/2008, -2/+3Obama isn't a world leader yet- Read the Logan Act
- treeflappa, on 06/10/2008, -0/+7Yes but in public as they are mean't to represent the people.
- UtopianComplex, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1When the news media jumps down anything slightly honest said by a politician/world player they have to be in secret to have real conversations...
- temjrpgh, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1How many of these people have been elected? The question you should be asking is "Why do they feel compelled to shroud their communication in secrecy?".
- UtopianComplex, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1maybe because if they were going to mention the realistic outcomes of peak oil, give an accurate description of the global economy, or talk about soft power in the rational way they think about it they would never be elected?
- OzTEXS, on 06/10/2008, -5/+10haha what's the point of voting in the USA ?
both parties bow to the same master. Hillary is just another mind controlled puppet along with her stupid husband.
I only wish they mind controlled bush !!- treeflappa, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1Bush has no mind to control
- Zong, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2where is the evidence? is it wrong to have an open discussion with other people of the world? or do we just fear them and call them a puppets so we feel more important? How can you tell the difference between a puppet and someone who honestly believes in what they are doing?
- temjrpgh, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1The great thing about the Neocon organization is their blatancy has jostled many to waking life. If someone slightly more crafty than Bush were the figurehead people would not be looking at the power structures in the world with the critical eye that's they are now. People want to like Obama, and I suspect many people will be in denial of being misled by him. This Bilderberg meeting is the first rumbling. I'm waiting for the followers to declare any suspicion to be "uncool". People will want to deny they were gullible. There will be convenient scapegoats.
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|||-------||||||----------||||-----------|||||---------||||||||||||||||||||- DreKor, on 06/10/2008, -7/+2If you're that worried about it, you would have canceled your internet subscription and used the money you saved to buy a gun. Then you could be proactive by removing all the global boogie men. Seriously, nobody who complains about all this NWO crap really cares that much. They just love feeling superior to all the "blind and unenlightened sheep" of the world.
The biggest piece of evidence that there isn't an big, scary, all controlling shadow government is that all the conspiracy theorists are still alive. Either that, or it proves that all the conspiracy nuts don't actually know anything that's dangerous to these people.
- DreKor, on 06/10/2008, -7/+2If you're that worried about it, you would have canceled your internet subscription and used the money you saved to buy a gun. Then you could be proactive by removing all the global boogie men. Seriously, nobody who complains about all this NWO crap really cares that much. They just love feeling superior to all the "blind and unenlightened sheep" of the world.
- ObamaSucks, on 06/10/2008, -16/+1WGARA (Who Gives a Rat's Ass?)
- rockstar555y, on 06/10/2008, -8/+28Like most diggers I am socially very liberal and I must admit Obama's voting record IS liberal.
However, that shouldn't prevent us from noticing that Obama is nothing but a political sell -out, lying and flip-flopping to suit his message to the audience he is catering to. If you watch the whole speech he gave at AIPAC last week, you should have no doubt.
Sticking to your principles is more important than winning an election. Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and even Ron Paul have proven they are on a higher ground than Barack Obama.- kaskoosek, on 06/10/2008, -1/+6The orgy for Obama on digg proves only one thing, "asymmetric information".
- Waiting2awake, on 06/10/2008, -0/+5Not to sound silly - but can someone explain in average joe terms "asymmetric information" to me? What is the theory behind it?
- americangoy, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3No idea :-)
- Waiting2awake, on 06/10/2008, -0/+5Not to sound silly - but can someone explain in average joe terms "asymmetric information" to me? What is the theory behind it?
- kaskoosek, on 06/10/2008, -1/+6The orgy for Obama on digg proves only one thing, "asymmetric information".
- FunnyBunnyBo, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8The elites idea of a new world order is corrupt and harmful and unfair. The People do not need the elite to create their own futures. The elite are now, in fact, the core impediment to progress. May the world be blessed by their extinction.
- tauntz, on 06/10/2008, -2/+8Why isn't there a feature that allows to see who buried the article - it would be quite useful.
- SPThom, on 06/10/2008, -9/+6I buried this article because I think it's a bunch of B.S. If some grand shocking event is staring us straight in the face it shouldn't take a meandering, 5000-word article to get us to that point.
- Winston84, on 06/10/2008, -3/+5to many words for you ? preferred a cartoon, did we ?
- snotrokit, on 06/10/2008, -0/+1there is a greasemonkey script somewhere. It does not work of FF3 tho
- a3r0, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3Funny how you cry about privacy but then want to see the names of people who disagree with you
- SPThom, on 06/10/2008, -9/+6I buried this article because I think it's a bunch of B.S. If some grand shocking event is staring us straight in the face it shouldn't take a meandering, 5000-word article to get us to that point.
- nc60659, on 06/10/2008, -9/+21. Find out where the 2009 meeting will take place
2. Organize... ...bombing...
3. ????
4. brb assassins- wreckosaurus, on 06/10/2008, -0/+21. Read internetz
2. Go CRAZY
3. ?????
4. Live in mom's basement - itsabrandnewday, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3congratulations! your the newest member on the united states terrorist watchlist!
- wreckosaurus, on 06/10/2008, -0/+21. Read internetz
- dualboy24, on 06/10/2008, -4/+9Slate has an interesting view of the Bilderberg meetings http://www.slate.com/id/2193220/
Personally I would like to have some proof of misdeeds before jumping on the bandwagon of sounding crazy.- kemp34, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3Look up the "Logan Act" - these people are breaking the law. The fact that it is so secretive is just icing on the cake.
- huertanix, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2Meeting != Negotiating.
- kemp34, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2Tea and crumpets!
- huertanix, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2Meeting != Negotiating.
- temjrpgh, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3Quit worrying about how you sound and follow your instincts.
I don't want to sound like a "nutter", but people in power want to protect their upper hand, will sacrifice anyone to keep it, and will show solidarity amongst themselves against the common threat of the lower-to-upper-middle classes. Secrecy is important to keep contrary wills at a disadvantage.
Conspiracies are really complex systems composed of human personalities, groups and their interactions. People have directives by nature. These complex systems have an emergent drive that is very predictable and less than altruistic. Substitute 'conspiracy' for 'complex system' mentally whenever you come across the word. The human weakness of needing acceptance is preyed upon to push you away from the analysis of the behaviors of those in power.
Motive and means are present.
- kemp34, on 06/10/2008, -0/+3Look up the "Logan Act" - these people are breaking the law. The fact that it is so secretive is just icing on the cake.
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