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The Creation Museum - America's New Mecca of Ignorance
demonbaby.com — An in-depth look at the "the crowning achievement of religious stupidity" and the anti-science ideology behind it. Includes lots of crazy pics and videos.
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- alienate, on 06/06/2008, -22/+63Baby Jesus hearts this.
- dualboy24, on 06/07/2008, -4/+23I heart Eve, she was hot!
- RTourn, on 06/07/2008, -1/+11Dude thats your grand-mother:)
- dualboy24, on 06/07/2008, -2/+1Okay she is a G.I.L.F then.
- RTourn, on 06/07/2008, -1/+11Dude thats your grand-mother:)
- houndeyex, on 06/07/2008, -3/+27"When I was looking at this particular display, a mother was standing next to me with her child, no older than two years. She pointed at this gruesome miniature scene and told her impressionable spawn, in a lullaby-soft tone, "Look at all the sinners, they're all dying because they didn't obey God. Look how sad they are! They're all dying! But Noah is okay in the Ark because he accepted God in his heart." Right. Get that toddler primed for a lifetime of God-fearing guilt. That's what a two year old should be thinking about."
I know what my beliefs are, and that still scares me a little.- ryuho, on 06/07/2008, -3/+19this is why strong religious believers are unliked...
just saw an extreme Christian protesting (yelling) on my campus yesterday, it was annoying and sad.
- ryuho, on 06/07/2008, -3/+19this is why strong religious believers are unliked...
- Lyk4n, on 06/07/2008, -10/+11Burn it all down!
- RTourn, on 06/07/2008, -4/+10I like to believe in our country we educate rather than persecute. This is NOT a war between Science and God. Wars polarize and effectively end any rational discussion, and thus education for these people. Every discussion I’ve ever had with any creationist have always turned into me explaining, what evolution is (as opposed to the Straw Man they are taught). If you want to be atheistic, fine, then be a respectable example of one, because you win NO ONE to your cause by being an *****.
From a Christian that believes in evolution; and yes we exist.- rationalist, on 06/07/2008, -4/+6No, it is not a war between Science and God, any more than it is a war between Fish and Bicycles.
It is, however, a war between the scientific method and its associated worldview, and religious dogma and the religious worldview.
The two are diametrically opposed, inherently incompatible - and the religious worldview and methodology irreparably antagonistic to democratic society.
Of course there are Christians that believe in evolution; humans can tolerate all manner of cognitive dissonance by compartmentalizing contradictory thoughts. That does not make it rational. - RTourn, on 06/07/2008, -1/+2How ever you call it, the last thing we need are hot heads and harsh words.
I have a deep love for the scientific method, and science. This does not destroy my faith in God. You have to understand that God is a personal spiritual journey. Science may one day explain it in terms of Temporal Lob functions, but it does not damper the growth you experience. You know this you can see it in they eyes of a Buddhist monk, or in the soft words of a Pasture who’s found peace.
The discourse you see between these two world views is entirely dependent on what your perception of what God, and what his role is. It’s also dependent on how literal you perceive the bible.
- rationalist, on 06/07/2008, -4/+6No, it is not a war between Science and God, any more than it is a war between Fish and Bicycles.
- kublerross, on 06/07/2008, -6/+3you know what, i dont care if we burn it down, we need to get these religious nutjobs to move north to canada or somewhere else
tolerance is overrated, and destroying our society - josh1413, on 06/07/2008, -4/+2"Burn it all down!"??
I think that's seems more radical than any person going into any "Christian" museum.
- RTourn, on 06/07/2008, -4/+10I like to believe in our country we educate rather than persecute. This is NOT a war between Science and God. Wars polarize and effectively end any rational discussion, and thus education for these people. Every discussion I’ve ever had with any creationist have always turned into me explaining, what evolution is (as opposed to the Straw Man they are taught). If you want to be atheistic, fine, then be a respectable example of one, because you win NO ONE to your cause by being an *****.
- Smills, on 06/07/2008, -3/+13Its ok, because homosexual scientists have found a cure for Christianity! (not a rickroll)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzbNkyXO50- Waterrat, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1 Love it!
Bring it on!
Fix these xtain idiots!
- Waterrat, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1 Love it!
- JesusHimself, on 06/07/2008, -3/+8No, no i dont love this
- RTourn, on 06/07/2008, -3/+1I didn't know you're on digg! LOI
- anothrnbdy, on 06/07/2008, -2/+0Best. Screen name. EVRAR.
- itsgotyou, on 06/07/2008, -2/+1Yes you did. Back when you were in diapers.
- JesusHimself, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4Dude, have you seen paintings of me, i was in diapers my entire life.
- snapcase, on 06/07/2008, -3/+5Meh, this was on digg a while ago from a different website. Kinda old news really. But at least it's not the exact same submission.
- screamthenrun, on 06/07/2008, -3/+8I feel like have to say this every time something like this pops up on Digg:
"Catholics believe in evolution!"
Yeah we do... thanks for being ignorant and assuming that everyone who believes in God/Jesus likes creationism.
[This is directed at alienate... not the person who wrote the article...]- luno, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Yup, they sure do. Of course, picking and choosing what parts of the Bible to obey and which to disregard has always been a hallmark of Catholicism.
Like Leviticus, for example. The 9 or so chapters that deal with animal sacrifice? We're not so hot about those. But fags? Oh, yeah, they're sinners, all right.
Brilliant. I'll live my own life, thanks very much.
- Happy Atheist
- luno, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Yup, they sure do. Of course, picking and choosing what parts of the Bible to obey and which to disregard has always been a hallmark of Catholicism.
- Pinasco, on 06/07/2008, -7/+1What happened to the freedom to believe what you believe. The belief in "Creationism" is left to the discretion of the person. If you don't believe in the belief then shy away. What is so wrong with a belief system that is based on love, support, and God? At the end of the day I am a Catholic that believes in God, my church, and my family. I have respect for all peoples opinion and ways of life. I lead by example, not through rhetoric. That is the way my church teaches me. By the way how do we know what the scientists are saying is more truth than the Bible. I believe in a marriage of science and the Bible, not one or the other.
- xrod, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1"I believe in a marriage of science and the Bible, not one or the other."
Well the Bible definitely has to be the woman in that marriage, as she is continually submitting to Science whenever he makes a new discovery. - MonexFRAUD, on 09/17/2008, -0/+0Gold and silver can be a good hedge against economic volatility as long as you're not doing a leveraged trade. http://www.monexfraud.com You should probably think about investing in gold and silver in these troubled times.
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- xrod, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1"I believe in a marriage of science and the Bible, not one or the other."
- dualboy24, on 06/07/2008, -4/+23I heart Eve, she was hot!
- N1C0L3, on 06/06/2008, -24/+178These types of crazy people seriously creep me the ***** out.
"For all I care you can believe that God is a space turtle who ***** out the world every morning and eats it again every night, and one day the world will hatch open and the almighty Son of Turtle God will emerge from the placenta of the earth and vomit rainbows onto the true believers before carrying them on His back to the promised land of Turtopia. It's a free country, go nuts."
LOL.- nmnnotmyname, on 06/07/2008, -4/+29Hmm, That's only so far away from what is already believed by some.
- willaggs, on 06/07/2008, -13/+3I don't agree with the museum at all, but the guy who wrote this sounds like a huge douche.
- Tyrghast, on 06/07/2008, -5/+6I got the same impression, both from the article and the commentators here on digg. As someone who has dealt with American pseudo-Christian fanatics (I say pseudo-Christian because all the different subsects of the faith all pick and choose which parts of their 'sacred' text they wish to follow), for his entire life, mockery is never the correct approach. Calm, well thought-out reason and logic is your best bet. Poking fun at them simply puts them on the defensive and lowers your chances of actually convincing them how irrelevant their beliefs are.
- N1C0L3, on 06/10/2008, -0/+0Douche... maybe.
Nonetheless.... he speaks some intelligent truths and well, I just find his writing entertaining and pretty damn funny. ;-) - MonexFRAUD, on 09/17/2008, -1/+0http://www.monexfraud.com
- MonexFRAUD, on 09/17/2008, -1/+0You should probably think about investing in gold and silver in these troubled times.
Just don't buy your precious metals from Monex!
http://www.monexfraud.com
- alpha88, on 06/07/2008, -2/+35Hey, don't make fun of me.
I believe strictly in Space Turtlism, and I found your comment deeply offensive. :(- rationalist, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3The right not to be offended is enshrined in the Constitution of the United States nowhere.
- kelmaster1, on 06/07/2008, -1/+24These people are so stupid that they don't even know that Europeans brought horses to North America...
- ratexla, on 06/07/2008, -1/+8Horses did come from North America, but they were exterminated there about 10000 years ago. :( Those oldie horses didn't look like the ones in the diagram though. :)
- ratexla, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1.....(I mean they didn't look like the right-hand species in the diagram, sawry. :p )
- breadfred, on 06/07/2008, -0/+6You must be mistaken. The earth is only 6000 years old after all.
- ratexla, on 06/07/2008, -0/+2*****, I forgot!
- ratexla, on 06/07/2008, -1/+8Horses did come from North America, but they were exterminated there about 10000 years ago. :( Those oldie horses didn't look like the ones in the diagram though. :)
- dlite922, on 06/07/2008, -1/+14"go nuts"...
trust me, they already did.
This is the result. - NinjaJoey, on 06/07/2008, -1/+6But where is America's Medina of ignorance?
- waconner, on 06/06/2008, -34/+4Thank you Rob! You beat me to the punch, but thank you anyhow.
- MonexFRAUD, on 09/17/2008, -0/+0http://www.monexfraud.com
- dagooh, on 06/06/2008, -21/+190This phrase pretty much sums it all up.
"this was a place built with passion for the true believers, here to soak up knowledge and explore a version of junk science that finally makes them feel sane in an insane world."
It really scares me to think that a lot of children will be raised to believe in all this YEC *****.- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -7/+39It really scares me to think that a lot of children will be raised to believe in ANY of this religious *****.
- Neiby, on 06/07/2008, -1/+5It's hard to raise kids that *don't* believe in it. My kids hear about this stuff from other kids at school. Of course, they believe what their classmates say. I'm constantly having to de-program them, especially my six-year-old. But I don't even want them thinking about this kind of stuff yet. I also don't want him starting arguments with other kids by saying, "My dad said Jesus isn't even real!" That's not going to be a fruitful endeavor for a first grader.
- oldgal, on 06/07/2008, -2/+17Many people are most comfortable following rules. This is how they know they know they are always right, and when you are wrong...but mostly when you are wrong. It is convenient for them to consider the bible one big rule book, and if one part is ever proved wrong then the whole orderly world becomes a big chaotic mess - therefore it must all be true, forever. And if you are a leader of one of these groups then one of the rules is that god wants you to give the church (aka me) lots of money.
- Fartag, on 06/07/2008, -1/+18Exactly, and there's a very early example too:
In Genesis it's claimed (among other inaccurate things) that:
1) first the Earth was created
2) then vegetation
3) then general stars followed by the
4) sun and moon.
The order instead according to known science is that:
1) stars started only 100 million years after the big bang
2,3) our Sun + solar system (including Earth) around 4.54 billion years ago
4) bacteria / vegetation afterwards.
A completely different order! Which one is wrong? God or Science? True believers would say science is wrong or the evidence is falsified to look that way. But why would evidence be presented by God (etc) to make the _Bible_ appear false when all attempts (through claimed magic and miracles) are made to legitimize it? FSM help us all!- burkay, on 06/07/2008, -0/+9"God" doesn't mean "Bible" to more than 80% of humanity.
- Stroggoth, on 06/07/2008, -0/+6>the evidence is falsified to look that way
So god essentially creates a fraud history for mankind? What kind of diety tries to trick humanity? A dishonest one.. - itsgotyou, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow.
- Fartag, on 06/07/2008, -0/+2@itsgotyou
Aye, that does indicate a fine prankster indeed! One day we could all be together laughing with God about these wonderful things in the afterlife! That is, if there weren't eternal damnation lying in wait for those who fall for his tricks... Eternal damnation seems a little "serious" for a prank... But, maybe that's just a trick too? Maybe there isn't a hell, maybe many other things in the Bible that are intentionally wrong, maybe Satan's really the _good_ guy, and God, the jealous, genocidal, cataclysm invoking, bragging, and damning deity the bad. Maybe we're intended to find our own true paths regardless of what is claimed?
Or maybe, just maybe, we can assume the obvious thing, that the Bible is simply flawed because it was devised and written by the hand of man, probably with good intent, to try to explain the unknown without having evidence to support it. An attempt to solidify our morality by alluding to rock hard divine punishment because people were (and are) afraid of what mankind would become if they didn't believe someone is watching them _all the time_.
But, there are thousands of other religions claiming similar to very different things without evidence too. Why pick one over the other to believe in? The best tool we have, proven time and time again, to find out how to deal with our Universe and beyond is Science, and ethics and morality are easily dictated by our social evolution with no divine judge required.
- burkay, on 06/07/2008, -0/+9"God" doesn't mean "Bible" to more than 80% of humanity.
- ICSU, on 06/07/2008, -1/+11And that's why brainwashing children with religion is wrong. It creates dependence on *****.
- Jlaugh, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1Science is a religion, human beings both irrational and rational, science as a philosophy only deals with rational modes of thought. Therefore there are things outside of it's purview. The irrational side of life is as important as the rational.
- Fartag, on 06/07/2008, -1/+18Exactly, and there's a very early example too:
- jake86, on 06/07/2008, -1/+8"It's like trying to prove the sky is blue to someone wearing red-tinted glasses."
...any hope to change this seems lost.
Just move on. Maybe they'll take off the glasses sometime...- Murdats, on 06/07/2008, -1/+9the problem is they are trying to force everyone else to wear their glasses, do you want these people teaching your children and the next generation, because thats what they want to do.
- digitronix, on 06/07/2008, -9/+2Moses says in Psalm 90: "For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night."
So do you really think that he meant 6 LITERAL days when he wrote Genesis?- scubaman5000, on 06/07/2008, -2/+14Justification after justification after justification...
It never ends...
It doesn't matter what he wrote... it's all fiction! - MonexFRAUD, on 09/17/2008, -0/+0http://www.monexfraud.com
- scubaman5000, on 06/07/2008, -2/+14Justification after justification after justification...
- aceslick911, on 06/07/2008, -10/+1Then again... what harm would this do to little kids? Theres nothing wrong with believing in santa claus as long as he doesnt tell you to kill you're family while they sleep..
the ones who seek real knowledge will snap out of it eventually. Honestly, its pretty damn easy to disprove this ***** when you bother looking,,
being religious as a child is not a bad starting point.
When i have kids i might bring them here when they're 4-5
and then again when they're 14 but this time laugh about it
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -7/+39It really scares me to think that a lot of children will be raised to believe in ANY of this religious *****.
- dunderballer, on 06/06/2008, -19/+105By focusing on Creationalism, Evangelicals are walking a risky line. People can rally behind the tenants of forgiveness, compassion, peace, love, humility, which the Bible has many passages to support. However, people are no longer buying literal translations of Noah's Ark, YEC/6 day creation, Sodom & Gomorrah, Adam and Eav, etc. These stories sound at least at silly as Greek mythology with many similarities such as talking animals.
- quaxon, on 06/07/2008, -28/+9But there's proof that fossils are just something the jews buried in 1937.
- hmunkey, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4/sarcasm...
Please?
- hmunkey, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4/sarcasm...
- ironsam, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5Their main concern is the truth, not popularity. Although they do want as many people as possible to embrace their religion, they will not change components of it to do so.
- Larsonal777, on 06/07/2008, -15/+3yes... why would anyone want to believe in a religion that changed its main beliefs whenever the main population thought they were out of fashion...
Personally I don't see why the creation story and evolution can't coexist... and quite well together... especially if you note that the bible... especially old testament uses many symbolic numbers. 1 day in the creation story could easily mean 1 period of time (like 10,000 years)
everything falls into place... first you need light energy from which everything is formed... the galaxy is born... then you need water on the earth and oxygen... then you need fish and other life from the sea... then plants all the animals of the land (which can come from the sea) and finally you see man which it doesn't say in the bible did not evolve. I think life on earth is a miracle... especially if it all evolved from no where...
I am not afraid to say the more science teaches us... the more I am convinced there is a God... and a loving one at that.
Human minds are way to weak to understand it all but it is a noble cause to try... but not so noble to break down and make fun of others' beliefs.- Stroggoth, on 06/07/2008, -3/+5"Personally I don't see why the creation story and evolution can't coexist... and quite well together"
Why bother? You know the bible is just a fairy tale anyway, there is no need to reconcile it. You would be wasting effort, and the result would be academically dishonest. - Larsonal777, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3I fail to see how this would be academically dishonest... you come at me saying I draw my conclussions beforehand that there is a God and that in science conclussions must be made after the experiment/facts are weighed in.
But I can come argue the same about you. You have concluded beforehand that there isn't a God because it makes you uncomfortable for some reason and you say that all these new discoveries/theories prove there isn't a God...
There is nothing out there in science even remotely close to proving there isn't a God... and in fact the more science reveals the more miracles are brought to life.
Water... the thing that life needs... have you ever marveled at the fact that water becomes less dense when in solid state... if this were NOT the case lakes would freeze from the bottom up killing everything.
Have you thought of how big of a jump it is to go from no life at all to a single celled organism... how about from a single cell to many cells and eventally to a human body with a brain so complex we are barely scratching the surface of understanding today.
If you've ever watched planet earth you can see how delicate and complex and interconnected everything on this planet is! The mathmatical probability of there being life when so many facters must exist for it to happen is so incredably small its not even funny. But we don't just have life on this planet do we... we have billions of species maybe even trillions... we don't even know because there are to many to count... and so I believe there is a God.
And you may make fun all you want but when I'm going through something tough and there is something I need and I just don't know how it can happen... I pray... and he has never let me down. I don't need the bible to tell me there is a God.
- Stroggoth, on 06/07/2008, -3/+5"Personally I don't see why the creation story and evolution can't coexist... and quite well together"
- PrintScrn12, on 06/07/2008, -1/+5If they aren't concerned about popularity why push creationism? Obviously they are concerned for the popularity of their position.
However I wouldn't say they are interested in truth. They aren't investigating, exploring or testing looking for and refining their understanding of the world. They are rather holding to a position stubbornly, avoid the evidence. They are interested in creationism for creationism's sake, rather than it's evidence.
- Larsonal777, on 06/07/2008, -15/+3yes... why would anyone want to believe in a religion that changed its main beliefs whenever the main population thought they were out of fashion...
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -7/+14"People can rally behind the tenants of forgiveness, compassion, peace, love, humility, which the Bible has many passages to support." The people who wrote the bible stole these tenets from the common social behaviors that humanity evolved with to survive in groups.
- ICSU, on 06/07/2008, -1/+3More like they stole it from other texts that copied it from ...
- mpcamer, on 06/07/2008, -7/+2No offense, but some animals can talk.. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/26051/talking_parrot ...
- Hekate666, on 06/07/2008, -3/+8That is not talking that's mimicking....
- Stroggoth, on 06/07/2008, -4/+5You learned your words by mimicking.
- JigoroKano, on 06/07/2008, -2/+1I can create semantics.
- ratexla, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3I communicate perfectly well with my dog and she doesn't even mimic (sp) me. :)
- Hekate666, on 06/07/2008, -3/+8That is not talking that's mimicking....
- darkciti2, on 06/07/2008, -4/+17The Evangelicals can no longer use forgiveness, compassion, peace, love and humility as tenets of their organization because they no longer practice any of them.
Thus, they are "rebranding" and trying to create a new generation of reality "fradycats", by manipulating young kids. They'll be easily sold on Mary Kay and Alpaca's when they hit that key spending age (the 18 to 25 year olds demographic).- tech42er, on 06/07/2008, -1/+2Are you insinuating that evangelicals are somehow tied to cosmetics consumerism? I'm totally lost now.
- alpha88, on 06/07/2008, -6/+11The only difference between Greek mythology, and modern religions, is the name.
"Mythology" is used to describe the beliefs of a religion that nobody currently believes or practices. "Religion" is used to describe the same times of strange nonsense beliefs, but of a religion that people still believe and practice.- kublerross, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4if someone was walking around talking about Zeus slinging lightning bolts and what not it would at least be cool enough to tolerate
- Winston84, on 06/07/2008, -3/+8Only problem is that you are wrong, people DO rally behind this religious garbage,
they even manage to infiltrate school-boards and force teachers to preach this
ID-garbage to the youth . Thank God (!?) the Courts don't seem to think that
it's OK to teach fiction in science-class but none the less there are millions of
idiots who believe this crap, they even take their children out of public school
so they can be free to brainwash their offspring at home .
Who needs Al-Qaeda to bring down America when you have millions of flat-earthers
making the kids dumber each day ?
- quaxon, on 06/07/2008, -28/+9But there's proof that fossils are just something the jews buried in 1937.
- theOPIATE, on 06/06/2008, -20/+3Rob Sheridan is my Tyler Durden.
- Floomdesk, on 06/06/2008, -16/+132God, look at the first video of Ken Ham explaining his version of the "truth" to the children... parents are ruining their kids lives with ***** like that.
- xtinamo, on 06/07/2008, -8/+19My life was nearly doomed to such a fate, but thank GOD for the Internet.
- skav, on 06/07/2008, -1/+18He's serious. If I hadn't discovered what passed for the internet at the time when I was a young teenager, my life would be profoundly different. The discovery of people who consider it normal to question the basic premises of fundamentalist religion makes it much easier to think for yourself.
I can say with truthfulness, the Demon Roach Underground saved my stupid redneck ass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_Roach_Undergrou ...- xtinamo, on 06/07/2008, -1/+18For me it was this Dictionary.com Forum that I used in the 8th grade initially for grammar and such, but found quite a bit more knowledge than I could grasp at the time. I tried to challenge their members with ridiculous biblical nonsense that I had been taught as truth and it took me a few years to truly understand my fallacy. I look back and think of what an idiot I must have seemed, but realize that those people enabled my emergence into reality and didn't give up in helping me view Christianity objectively. I seriously owe that community for saving me from a fate worse than death: ignorance.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/dictionary/messages ...
- xtinamo, on 06/07/2008, -1/+18For me it was this Dictionary.com Forum that I used in the 8th grade initially for grammar and such, but found quite a bit more knowledge than I could grasp at the time. I tried to challenge their members with ridiculous biblical nonsense that I had been taught as truth and it took me a few years to truly understand my fallacy. I look back and think of what an idiot I must have seemed, but realize that those people enabled my emergence into reality and didn't give up in helping me view Christianity objectively. I seriously owe that community for saving me from a fate worse than death: ignorance.
- Neiby, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4Basically the same story for me. I used to be one of those religious fundamental Creationist wackos. It was a long time ago. The Internet opened me up to writings and ways of thinking that I just hadn't been exposed to previously. You'd be surprised at how sheltered and brainwashed you can be when you're in a fundamentalist environment surrounded by like-minded believers.
- skav, on 06/07/2008, -1/+18He's serious. If I hadn't discovered what passed for the internet at the time when I was a young teenager, my life would be profoundly different. The discovery of people who consider it normal to question the basic premises of fundamentalist religion makes it much easier to think for yourself.
- ironsam, on 06/07/2008, -5/+3Yeah, their kids would be much better off aborted! /sarcasm
Sorry, a bit strawman of me there.- Phyraxus, on 06/07/2008, -1/+3Well, look on the bright side, if all children of fundies were aborted instead of indoctrinated (or simply not indoctrinated) fundamentalism would end in one generation.
- JAFFA, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3I imagine those kind of parents would ruin their childs lives anyway. This bollocks will make very little difference.
- xtinamo, on 06/07/2008, -8/+19My life was nearly doomed to such a fate, but thank GOD for the Internet.
- Hypernation, on 06/07/2008, -17/+4Truly this heralds the endtime. Hahah - nice submission sir.
- arcooke, on 06/07/2008, -12/+151Someone should build a mythology museum right nextdoor.. and while the creationists are sleeping, join them together.
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -6/+12They would be identical.
- Intangible360, on 06/07/2008, -1/+2WHOOSH!
- SuperWinner, on 06/07/2008, -5/+33My favorite theory on the creation of the universe is that the Flying Spaghetti Monster made it 15 minutes ago, and planted all the memories of our lives in our minds.
Holds just as much water at the creation myth.- ironsam, on 06/07/2008, -19/+4It also holds about as much water as water and other matter forming from nothing.
- Murdats, on 06/07/2008, -2/+4You're right, but thankfully no one believes that.
- Kidtuf, on 06/07/2008, -0/+13I agree up until the point where you said "Holds just as much water at the creation myth."
This kind of blasphemy against His Noodly Appendage will not go unpunished, I recommend three bowls of ramen and a flogging of wet noodles to set your self right before Him.- Issius, on 06/07/2008, -1/+7I'm on it. Boiling the water now. I ***** love Ramen.
- SuperWinner, on 06/07/2008, -1/+5I accept your derangement and the judgment of our creator, his noodliness, who created us now 29 minutes ago.
- ironsam, on 06/07/2008, -19/+4It also holds about as much water as water and other matter forming from nothing.
- Rakunus, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1Great idea! Fight them where you can! Come ON America, the world is watching and you are (still) peeing in your pants.
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -6/+12They would be identical.
- Flashtone, on 06/07/2008, -60/+10buried.. as lame.
- jmkiii, on 06/07/2008, -5/+16You?
- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -3/+11Yes him. Flash is a dick hole.
- jmkiii, on 06/07/2008, -5/+16You?
- RHA0, on 06/07/2008, -12/+59http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3299/raportorje ...
- MutatedNantuko, on 06/07/2008, -3/+15Where all da wite wimmen at?
http://sweetraptorjesus2.ytmnd.com/- DubiousDrewski, on 06/07/2008, -1/+3They techno remixed THAT song??
Hmm...It's kind of catchy- lquid, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1Sounds like the Children (Robert Miles, Dreamland) paino layered over a crappy base techno beat.
Wouldn't exactly call it remixed... - BlacklabelSAR, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1"You better be believin' "
- lquid, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1Sounds like the Children (Robert Miles, Dreamland) paino layered over a crappy base techno beat.
- DubiousDrewski, on 06/07/2008, -1/+3They techno remixed THAT song??
- AvidPreatorian, on 06/07/2008, -3/+1JEEZAURUS!
- MutatedNantuko, on 06/07/2008, -3/+15Where all da wite wimmen at?
- ChristNewsWatch, on 06/07/2008, -94/+20Taken from the end of the first paragraph: "I suppose the original authors of the Old Testament may have believed it to be absolutely true, but to put that in context, the purveying wisdom of the time was that God kept the sun in a boat full of deities who sailed across the sky every day trying to prevent said sun from being eaten by an evil serpent."
Dare I ask where the person who wrote this piece of trash got this slice of misinformation and garbage???
That is so not what the Bible teaches... You wanna diss our beliefs and play with your eternity, that's your choice, but at very least quote our scriptures correctly.... don't make up crap just so you can get people all riled up over lies that you made up!
Here's a whole page of questions regarding what Christians like myself believe regarding creation...
http://www.gotquestions.org/questions_Creation.htm ...
Granted as my experiences have proven, most of you could care less about facts, you'd rather make up lies just to have stuff to argue over... but just in case there are a few truth seekers, that page will give you the truth about what we believe happened.
To be completely honest, we can't figure how you atheists can possibly believe we came from monkeys or that the earth is billions of years old...or that everything just magically came together by chance.... even before I became a Christian, I didn't believe in those lies!
Another good source is http://Godandscience.org- Zarokima, on 06/07/2008, -9/+58You are beyond hope. Please keep your head buried in the sand where nobody can hear you and don't breed.
- quaxon, on 06/07/2008, -9/+41"Granted as my experiences have proven, most of you could care less about facts, you'd rather make up lies just to have stuff to argue over..."
"...what Christians like myself believe regarding creation..."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHA - iamtehwinnerz, on 06/07/2008, -6/+43Make sure to check for colon cancer while you're head's stuck in your ass.
- pablo0713, on 06/07/2008, -24/+12Hey dumbass, nobody believes that we came from monkeys except you christfags.
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -2/+30"Common ancestor" is a difficult concept for these imbeciles.
- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -6/+42"Taken from the end of the first paragraph"
And that's likely where you stopped reading and just guessed at the rest of the article, based on your "experiences" with Atheists. For the record, the author was exaggerating the content of the bible to make his point that it is very, very stupid. Which, of course, it is.
"What the bible teaches", actually, is how to fear and obey the imaginary conjurations of ancient people who had no concept or understanding of the universe as it is, only how they guessed it was based on zero info.
I also noticed that when you addressed perspectives other than your own, you used the word "lies" three times, "piece of trash", "misinformation" and "garbage" once each. You used the word "truth" three times, and "facts" and "good" once each. Removing these statements reveals that you've not actually presented any argument at all but are mudslinging your bat-***** insane ass off.
"everything just magically came together"
That's like the pot calling the kettle black, even though the kettle is actually the dedication of thousands upon thousands of human lives spent endlessly studying, observing, testing and documenting the universe, then augmenting theories based off of the findings of other minds and vise versa. THEN defining a set of basic rules to follow, and building upon that knowledge base to reach the next level of understanding, all the while modifying and improving the original foundation of knowledge whenever necessary, always based off the observations and testing of other efforts. Yup. EXACTLY the same as everything "magically" coming together... which is definitely not what the bible proposes.
"... and play with your eternity.."
and you can stick that fear-mongering horse ***** right up your fat, ignorant ass.- ChristNewsWatch, on 06/08/2008, -2/+2"... and play with your eternity.."
and you can stick that fear-mongering horse ***** right up your fat, ignorant ass.
Ummm, but I'm skinny :)
Seriously dude, I hope you see the truth before its too late.... I'm not into fear-mongering.... the government has that market pretty well tied up. lol
Now warning people to wake up and smell reality.... that's what I do.... Perhaps when your trusted worldly sources turn on you in the next few years, you'll understand.
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/index ... - flip2trip, on 06/08/2008, -1/+2"For the record, the author was exaggerating the content of the bible to make his point that it is very, very stupid. Which, of course, it is."
If what is in the Bible is "very, very stupid" then there wouldn't be a need to exaggerate the point now would it? If people have a problem with what the Bible teaches, then post exactly what the Bible says and then explain why it is stupid, instead of making up crap because you cannot reason out a response based on actual quotes.- relic180, on 06/08/2008, -0/+1Been there, tried that. Religious types simply don't accept the identification of all the logical fallacies of the bible.
- flip2trip, on 06/09/2008, -1/+1@relic180
So you think making stuff up works better to get your point across? - relic180, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Holy ***** flip, you're so damn sensitive. Satire isn't the same as "making stuff up", and neither is this.
Yes it's an exaggeration. No it's not absolutely necessary. It's ***** funny so I'm fine with it. Can we move on now?
- ChristNewsWatch, on 06/08/2008, -2/+2"... and play with your eternity.."
- chicofaraby, on 06/07/2008, -4/+35"we can't figure how you atheists can possibly believe we came from monkeys"
Atheists don't believe that. Are you really that stupid? In fact NO ONE who understands the theory of natural selection believes that silly nonsense.
Atheists don't believe in gods. That's what the word "atheist" means.- RetepNamenots, on 06/07/2008, -5/+4And that is just as much faith as people who do believe in a God. You believe that our being came about just from random coincidence, whereas Christians believe that there is a creator - an therefore that the Bible is truth.
Whereas you have just admitted that you have no understanding of the theory of natural selection, the Bible gives Christians the answers to those sorts of problems!- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5It's not "just as much faith". Stupid.
Look at the mountains of ***** evidence compared the scrawling in some damn arcane book. It's absolutely not the same thing.
The bible give no answers, just ***** to fill in the gaps so you can sleep at night. - RetepNamenots, on 06/07/2008, -5/+3I believe that a God exists. Therefore I also believe that what the Bible says is true and from here Christians gain their own 'facts'. What is written in the Bible does not contradict science as you seem to believe.
You do not believe that a God exists. Therefore, all your own 'facts' have been based upon this presupposition because by believing that everything has come about from just a whole heap of randomness this leads on to the theory that for example, evolution has taken millions of years.
Neither of us have time machines; all we have to look at is what we have right here, right now. If you like, both Christians and athiests have their 'answers' drawn out of thin air. - bhank21, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4alright stone man peter, that was an asinine argument. the only reason you believe in a creator is because a book told you so. what cyclical logic you use.
the only answers the bible gives attribute a supernatural being as the cause. 3 kids in the hospital down the street from you died in the burn unit. where's your god? a 70 y.o. man gets run over in the street the other day and nobody helped him. where's your god? according to your book, the middle east is full of heathens and sinners, yet no re-enactment of sodom and gehmorah. where is your god. go cry to xenu. or pray to joe pesci. you'll get the same results. - RetepNamenots, on 06/07/2008, -5/+2The Bible explains all of your questions. Which is my point.
- bhank21, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4according to your book, everything happened by magic and not by physics or chemistry. but then, your kind turn around and cry about witches. hypocritical?
- thorstrongstone, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4"Therefore I also believe that what the Bible says is true and from here Christians gain their own 'facts'."
No, what you gain are opinions, not facts. See, how can anyone take you seriously when you blatantly make things up and disguise them as the truth? You can't even get the definition of words correctly, so it seems that it is impossible for you to interpret the Bible, or scientific writings, correctly. - flip2trip, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1@bhank21---
"according to your book, everything happened by magic and not by physics or chemistry"
You sir have no understanding of what the Bible says and this is made obvious by your above statement.
There is NOTHING in science that contradicts the Bible. There is no reference to God using "magic" any where in the Bible.
You've never heard of witches? Ever hear of Wicca? - eir574, on 06/08/2008, -0/+3@flip2trip,
"You've never heard of witches? Ever hear of Wicca?"
I've heard of people who think they are witches, but I've never heard of anyone who actually is one. I find it kind of sad that some people are so dead set against books like Harry Potter because they contain witchcraft. I'm not a fan myself, but if it gets kids excited about reading, what's the harm? It's a good thing for kids to develop active imaginations, and surely we can teach them the difference between fantasy and reality. When I read Chronicles of Narnia as a child, I certainly didn't check my wardrobe to see if it possibly led to Narnia or to any other magical land with talking animals. I also didn't think that the witch in Hansel and Gretel was real.
- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5It's not "just as much faith". Stupid.
- RetepNamenots, on 06/07/2008, -5/+4And that is just as much faith as people who do believe in a God. You believe that our being came about just from random coincidence, whereas Christians believe that there is a creator - an therefore that the Bible is truth.
- truebeliefs, on 06/07/2008, -32/+6Thanks for the links. BTW, the other replies are perfect examples of "pearls before swine".
- Cayfox, on 06/07/2008, -1/+28We should be reminded at this point that pigs are friendly, intelligent creatures, and that pearls are lumps of calcified grit.
- ChristNewsWatch, on 06/08/2008, -2/+3Just yet another example of why we are ever thankful to God for saving us / opening our eyes.... and amazing how blind, sin has made the people of this world!
Thanks, glory, honor and all praise to Jesus!- relic180, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1go die.
- Murdats, on 06/07/2008, -3/+26"You wanna diss our beliefs and play with your eternity, that's your choice, but at very least quote our scriptures correctly.... don't make up crap just so you can get people all riled up over lies that you made up!"
"To be completely honest, we can't figure how you atheists can possibly believe we came from monkeys or that the earth is billions of years old...or that everything just magically came together by chance"
isnt that what you just did, or at least regurgitated the lies you have been taught. all of those are arguments are from reductio ad absurdum - aurix21, on 06/07/2008, -0/+30That paragraph isn't a reference to your mythology, but to Egyptian mythology, which was the majority religion in the region at that time.
- Cayfox, on 06/07/2008, -2/+7It never ceases to amaze me how little credit these people give their god. Theories like evolution expand our knowledge and appreciation of the world; not shrink it. Do God and his creation really have to be reduced to the stature of the smallest, most ignorant human being? Crushed down and compacted to fit in one little book?
- trevorh, on 06/07/2008, -3/+11I love fear based arguments to be believed if God did exist I am not sure I would want to worship someone that would sentence me to eternal hell fire for not believe in him based off of blind faith.
- Winston84, on 06/07/2008, -2/+9You, Sir, are certifiable and your "sources" stink .
- kabes, on 06/07/2008, -2/+11Your ignorance is appalling. I feel sorry for you... but most of all I feel sorry for your children.
- bsmang, on 06/07/2008, -1/+11"don't make up crap just so you can get people all riled up over lies that you made up!"
Umm, look who's talking! - BlacklabelSAR, on 06/07/2008, -2/+10"To be completely honest, we can't figure how you atheists can possibly believe we came from monkeys or that the earth is billions of years old...or that everything just magically came together by chance.... even before I became a Christian, I didn't believe in those lies!"
Now I'll have a turn. ahem....:
To be completely honest, we, the rational beings on planet earth, cannot understand how you would worship a sadistic, insecure, sociopath, who needs to create demi-beings who must worship him. An Omniscient being with low self-esteem. No Sale.- ChristNewsWatch, on 06/08/2008, -1/+31 Corinthians 1:18
The teaching about the cross is foolishness to those who are being lost, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. - alphamarquis, on 06/08/2008, -0/+2Quoting the Bible doesn't help.
- ChristNewsWatch, on 06/08/2008, -1/+31 Corinthians 1:18
- paralock, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4We didn't come from monkeys, we have a common ancestor with them for 1, two, just look at our faces and then look at that of a chimp or gorilla.
- enki25, on 06/08/2008, -1/+2The difference between our beliefs and your beliefs is that we can prove ours. Your beliefs cannot be proven. Faith is admirable, but when choosing between two options, only irrationality would ignore objective fact. To chose to believe in creationism over what can be scientifically proven doesn't make you faithful, it makes you stupid.
You can be Christian and without being retarded. Please look into it.- ChristNewsWatch, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1um.... you can't prove evolution..... all you can do is repeat the same crap you've heard as told to you by "the experts".... the same "experts" that have fooled so many throughout the governments which are now turning this world into a police state!
"Experts" at lies and misinformation..... Ya know, never mind... You're minds are so warped by lies, the only way you'll ever see that God does exist is when you stand before Him on judgment day....
Such a shame too.... Cuz not only is God very real, but He is an awesome God to serve.... I so wish I had learned the truth many many many years ago... would have prevented alot of hurt and unneeded crap during the years!
Jesus Rocks!- enki25, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1I agree Jesus rocks. I just talked to him and he's ashamed that you've taken so much of the crap in the King James bible so literally. He mentioned something about "missing the forest for the trees".
But keep on spewing your brainwashing, I imagine at your place in life it's the only thing you've got to establish your sense of worth. That's really sad, but everybody walks their own path right?
- enki25, on 06/09/2008, -0/+1I agree Jesus rocks. I just talked to him and he's ashamed that you've taken so much of the crap in the King James bible so literally. He mentioned something about "missing the forest for the trees".
- ChristNewsWatch, on 06/08/2008, -1/+1um.... you can't prove evolution..... all you can do is repeat the same crap you've heard as told to you by "the experts".... the same "experts" that have fooled so many throughout the governments which are now turning this world into a police state!
- Neo31rex31, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0Author to this thread, well said!
- mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -54/+8not this again. i thought that we beat this to death last year already. oh well any excuse to spout off antichristian bigotry on digg i guess.
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Temple_of_ignorance_The_ ...
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Two_young_atheist ...
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Sneak_Peak_the_Cr ...
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Ars_Technica_takes_a_fie ...- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -3/+26Got to spout it where we can. The mainstream media certainly hasn't shown themselves to be objective.
And all of those links you posted, while they have the same overall subject, are different articles that are much older. Two of them aren't even up anymore. I for one had never heard of this until now.- eltrev, on 06/07/2008, -6/+23"antichristain bigotry" ? Don't you mean "anti-Idiot"?
I know plenty of smart Christians, but these guys give them a bad name.- mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -10/+4no I mean antichristian. mark my words this is the start of this fad again on digg. before its all over you will have heard some extraordinarily bigoted remarks.
- SuperWinner, on 06/07/2008, -2/+9I'm just against ignorance, if you want to fall into that category, then thats up to you.
- mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -4/+2i assume you are replying to me (otherwise your reply makes no sense)
if you are replying to me learn were to click
i am a Christian but I am not a strict creationist
- mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -4/+2i assume you are replying to me (otherwise your reply makes no sense)
- mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -9/+3spout bigotry while you can. how nice.
those links were meant to illustrate that this is old. so go ahead and give us some hate. you will fit right in.- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1gotcha. Here's a novel idea, go read what i actually posted and reply to that. Tell me how much of a huge hate mongering bigot I am.
- eltrev, on 06/07/2008, -6/+23"antichristain bigotry" ? Don't you mean "anti-Idiot"?
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -5/+10It's not bigotry when you are right.
- mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -8/+3big·ot
–noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
see no need to be right all you have to do is be intolerant
- mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -8/+3big·ot
- SoulDrift404, on 06/07/2008, -0/+9NOT anti-Christian, but rather anti-STUPID.
You know, it's possible to be Christian and not believe this stupidity. See Catholicism. (except for the priests, they're pretty respectable..founding schools, valuing education, not being fundamentalist...)
- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -3/+26Got to spout it where we can. The mainstream media certainly hasn't shown themselves to be objective.
- slightlygifted, on 06/07/2008, -21/+2butt funnels!
- suntzusputnik, on 06/07/2008, -11/+47it's as if they wish to defy common sense
- krnldmp, on 06/07/2008, -5/+6Once the reasoning center of your brain is short circuited it all just seems to come to gether. Do they still have that group that actually smacks people on the forehead the moment they get saved? I actually understand a little bit about how that works.
- Frostek, on 06/07/2008, -1/+3Is it something about repeatedly giving them concussions so they won't ask questions?
- Murdats, on 06/07/2008, -1/+20no, its just that science is an evil invention by the jews just like the holocaust (according to the followers of ben stein)
and science is completley wrong, but only when it suits us, we will gladly accept that science can produce wonders such as tv's and computer's, medicine and so forth but science is 100% faulty when it comes to biology, physics, and any other field where they dont like the answer. - blackjack75, on 06/07/2008, -0/+6"common sense" is exactly what they're counting on. What they are defying is science, which most of us are just not knowlegeable enough to explain.
Sure if I was alone to explain fossils, I'd have a hard time proving the fossils are not 6k years old. But hey, I trust scientists and carbon14 dating looks pretty credilble to me, even though I am not in the field.
- krnldmp, on 06/07/2008, -5/+6Once the reasoning center of your brain is short circuited it all just seems to come to gether. Do they still have that group that actually smacks people on the forehead the moment they get saved? I actually understand a little bit about how that works.
- suntzusputnik, on 06/07/2008, -15/+37through natural selection, retards like this shouldn't even exist.
- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -3/+28If natural selection still existed the way it does in nature, they wouldn't.
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -1/+13This is one of the "curses" of scientific progress. Medicine has effectively halted human evolution in the Western world.
- Viend, on 06/07/2008, -0/+6We should ban science, it hinders evolution.
- tech42er, on 06/07/2008, -2/+1Are you seriously advocating "social Darwinism"?
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -1/+13This is one of the "curses" of scientific progress. Medicine has effectively halted human evolution in the Western world.
- noahhoward, on 06/07/2008, -3/+14We've a nasty habit of preserving idiots... somethng about them being helpless. I believe it is only a matter of time before science finds a way to remove that habit from our DNA.
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -1/+12They do their part by breeding like fruit flies.
- kublerross, on 06/07/2008, -0/+6yes see you just make contraception a sin! voila, instant retard gene pool
- swizzcheez, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4I always find it annoyingly odd how much the "enlightened" seem to think like Nazis when it comes to things they disagree with.
I think these folks are nutters too, but the correct course of action is communication, not extermination (even by pre-destiny). Frequently, both sides learn something in the process, even it's a matter of understanding the other's point of view and what's really troubling them.- Intangible360, on 06/07/2008, -0/+2I don't see one post here advocating eugenics or social darwinism. They are just commenting on the facts of the matter.
- tech42er, on 06/07/2008, -0/+2But I'm sure you support welfare and charity.
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -1/+12They do their part by breeding like fruit flies.
- ironsam, on 06/07/2008, -4/+9Maybe we should bring back eugenics?!
Psych.- trevorh, on 06/07/2008, -0/+7No because eugenics was not natural selection it is an artificial selection.
- bbear, on 06/07/2008, -12/+2Man evolved to believe in God, not science.
- darkciti2, on 06/07/2008, -2/+14Correction:
The lazy man has always found an excuse not to think / work / or otherwise perform to help society.
Thusly, God was created as the ultimate excuse. - Wakkyweed, on 06/07/2008, -3/+6He's right guys, stop digging him down. Man evolved to believe in god and other "things that go bump in the night". Imagination was a very valuable survival tool in primitive societies, and imagination leads to belief in spirits and magic and things like god. Also, religion helped keep primitive societies together.
That's why its been so hard for science to drive this nonsense out of people's heads. A propensity for belief in ingrained deep in our sub-consciousness. It's taken thousands of years of learning and science to get as far as we have. Hopefully one day reason will finally prevail.
- darkciti2, on 06/07/2008, -2/+14Correction:
- blackjack75, on 06/07/2008, -4/+1So the fact that they exist makes them right? I don't think so.
- scubaman5000, on 06/07/2008, -1/+10Natural selection does not necessarily favor the fittest meaning the best of something. It favors the reproductively successful so as long as these families aren't using birth control and are popping out kids left and right Natural Selection actually favors the retards.
- empiric, on 06/07/2008, -3/+0Ironic that it's only your side that Natural Selection guarantees won't exist, eh?
- SuperWinner, on 06/08/2008, -0/+1http://cectic.com/150.html
- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -3/+28If natural selection still existed the way it does in nature, they wouldn't.
- iamtehwinnerz, on 06/07/2008, -13/+148Watch the video. He's preaching his "creationist" views to 7 years olds because he knows that anyone older than that will know he's full of *****.
- eltrev, on 06/07/2008, -6/+34um, except their parents who bring them there and who buy into this sickening fairy tale 100%.
- nmnnotmyname, on 06/07/2008, -2/+45No, they buy into it becuase when they were younger...
are you getting me? - Rally603, on 06/07/2008, -2/+22It's a vicious cycle.
- nmnnotmyname, on 06/07/2008, -2/+45No, they buy into it becuase when they were younger...
- SuperWinner, on 06/07/2008, -6/+43Its commonly called brainwashing children, and it should be illegal and punishable in to the same degree as child rape, cuz that essentially what they are doing.
- blackjack75, on 06/07/2008, -1/+13I don't understand why the police can raid polygamists towns in Texas but will still let a guy like that teaching children how to defy their teacher in school.
- why3th, on 06/07/2008, -3/+2I never understood that. Should they have taken the kids out of there? If there was concrete evidence that they were endangered, either physicall or mentally. But to break it up because of it being a polygamist town...how is that not protected under freedom of religion? The right to extend one's fist ends where my nose begins. So long as they weren't interfering with anyone else, why is this illegal?
- SuperWinner, on 06/07/2008, -2/+3And this guys attitude is why religion continues to go on when there is no evolutionary benefit to having it.
- why3th, on 06/07/2008, -3/+2I never understood that. Should they have taken the kids out of there? If there was concrete evidence that they were endangered, either physicall or mentally. But to break it up because of it being a polygamist town...how is that not protected under freedom of religion? The right to extend one's fist ends where my nose begins. So long as they weren't interfering with anyone else, why is this illegal?
- yahoofrom, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5@SuperWinner
If the government bans or punishes the museum, then it's against the freedom of speech. If you support freedom of speech only for sane opinion, you are not getting the point of the freedom of speech. As long as the creation stuff is not included in the public school curriculum, it is ok.- kestrel7e7, on 06/07/2008, -3/+3amen
- SuperWinner, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4Ok, then make it illegal to take children to any chruch, which forces them into a religion before than can legally consent to do so. Again, same as rape.
- eltrev, on 06/07/2008, -6/+34um, except their parents who bring them there and who buy into this sickening fairy tale 100%.
- scy1192, on 06/07/2008, -12/+133This is offensive to Christians. No, not the article, the museum.
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -10/+46Reality is offensive to Christians.
- 1timeuser, on 06/07/2008, -12/+13People who make generalizations are assholes.
- Kyan, on 06/07/2008, -2/+28Now, that remark is ironic.
Did you just call yourself an *****? - jinxplayer, on 06/07/2008, -1/+9Hahahaha, yeah he sure did! FTW!
- Kyan, on 06/07/2008, -2/+28Now, that remark is ironic.
- 1timeuser, on 06/07/2008, -12/+13People who make generalizations are assholes.
- ICSU, on 06/07/2008, -4/+6You mean offensive to the latest god-of-the-gaps version of Christianity.
- notwizt, on 06/07/2008, -5/+4If you're christian, you should believe the bible. This just shows how full of ***** the bible actually is.
- Waterrat, on 06/07/2008, -1/+2 I don't know why you are being Dugg down,cause the bible is full of *****.
It has some really sick stuff in it.
Just read The God Delusion by Dawkins...He pulls out some of the nastiest stuff and talks about it..One example would be a fathers offering up his daughter to men who come to their door so said daughter is gang raped and dies from the abuse.
And yes,that is in the bible...And seems it's ok,as long as the rapists believe in god.
- Waterrat, on 06/07/2008, -1/+2 I don't know why you are being Dugg down,cause the bible is full of *****.
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -10/+46Reality is offensive to Christians.
- Mom2GIQM, on 06/07/2008, -61/+8There's nothing more hypocritical, arrogant, and insulting than an atheist telling others what they should believe.
Despite the fact that the Bible clearly talks about the Earth as a sphere and it's hanging in the universe, the "intelligentsia" was not deterred several thousand years later as they adhered tightly to their ignorance by declaring that the world was flat; being dreadfully afraid to adventure to the horizon, laughing and insulting those who dared to disbelieve their "knowledge" of the world. Those same types of people are hear to tell us today that we're all here because of nothing. Nothing collided with nothing. It rained for billions of years on the something that nothing produced in it's collision with nothing, turning the rocks into a life form. That life form subsequently and single-handedly reproduced...and POOF...hear we all are...a miracle and product of nothing. Isn't that just something?
Go on --- Shake your fists. Stomp your feet. Scream at the top of your lungs. If you really think God feels threatened by your infantile behavior then more power to you.- chicofaraby, on 06/07/2008, -3/+57No one cares if you believe in fairies. We only care when you try to force others to believe in your fairies.
- mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -20/+1now i'm no strict creationist but i feel i should point out that you have to seek out this museum to see its contents. this is being story is from an ATHEIST agenda not a Christian one. ATHEISM showed you the creation museum today. if it weren't for this story you would have never seen this. the only people here today going out trying to change other peoples minds are the atheists. you guys are as bad as a Mormon on mission. for once can't you all just accept people for who they are. and you guys call us Christians intolerant.
- stinkymonkey, on 06/07/2008, -0/+20The problem is, you people like to perpetuate the myth to your kids.
And its all based on fear.
"But Mommy, how do you know god exists?"
"Well Billy, if you don't believe me, you will be tortured for eternity, now go to bed". - mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -10/+1stinkymonkey thanks for making my point about intolerance for me. no that is not what I would do if I had children and that is not how I was raised. my faith is based on love and compassion.
- quaxon, on 06/07/2008, -2/+5"my faith is based on love and compassion."
so you were an alter boy? - stinkymonkey, on 06/07/2008, -0/+9Mikesbaker,
My point was not to change your mind. I don't care if you believe in the Easter Bunny. My point was all about perpetuating the myth of God to children, but more importantly, how it is done.
Lets be honest, without fear, religion could not survive. It's impossible.
I feel Atheism has more love and compassion than any religion because fear and imaginary people are removed from the equation.
And I'm happy you would not do that to your kids if you had kids. - mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -6/+1stinkymonkey - you have to actively choose to go to a church that preaches hell fire and damnation. and yes there would still be religion without the fear.
quaxon - grow up seriously - leakus, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4The only reason I believed in god when I was young, was that I was afraid to die, although I wasn't taught about hellfire. I don't know any religion which doesn't promise an afterlife or reincarnation. I think it all comes down to being afraid of death, so "no religion without fear" is fair to say.
- stinkymonkey, on 06/07/2008, -0/+2mikesbaker
I'm not going to change your mind, its not my point.
But you don't need to seek out fear by going to a church that preaches it. It's part of the whole idea of what god is. Its the foundation of religion. Fear of God. Fear of Hell, Fear of not having faith, Fear of not knowing...etc...Without that, most religions would fail.
Of course there are other things that keep people in the church, but that is the main one.
I do wish you all the best, time to move on to other posts.
- stinkymonkey, on 06/07/2008, -0/+20The problem is, you people like to perpetuate the myth to your kids.
- mikesbaker, on 06/07/2008, -20/+1now i'm no strict creationist but i feel i should point out that you have to seek out this museum to see its contents. this is being story is from an ATHEIST agenda not a Christian one. ATHEISM showed you the creation museum today. if it weren't for this story you would have never seen this. the only people here today going out trying to change other peoples minds are the atheists. you guys are as bad as a Mormon on mission. for once can't you all just accept people for who they are. and you guys call us Christians intolerant.
- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -3/+45"Those same types of people are hear to tell us today that we're all here because of nothing. Nothing collided with nothing. It rained for billions of years on the something that nothing produced in it's collision with nothing, turning the rocks into a life form. That life form subsequently and single-handedly reproduced...and POOF...hear we all are...a miracle and product of nothing. Isn't that just something?"
Holy ***** (no pun intended), your ignorance is so thick it's like walking, waste deep, through chunky peanut butter. I understand it's a natural reaction for religious types to react so defensively, because they (you) feel like you're being attacked. I'll address that in a second.
But first...
Religious beliefs had nothing to do with the "world is flat" belief. First, the bible was simply updated to include a round earth in one of its MANY re-writes. Second, if it was an idea that was intentionally perpetuated despite evidence of the contrary (and you'd really have to cite a claim like that), it was done by the monarchy to keep the peasants in line, and had nothing to do with religious belief.
Atheists don't believe that we came from nothing, we believe that we are a product of the natural behavior of the universe which has existed beyond our ability to define its beginning. We will never know how old the universe is and we're ok with that. It's something we just can't know and we've accepted it.
I have no idea what "rained for billions of years" is suppose to mean, so I'll just move on.
Rocks don't turn into life forms.. collections of proteins turn into life forms. I know you're angry but assuming that an Atheist believes rocks become life forms just demonstrates your blind anger toward a different way of thinking.
And I know the religious types will never accept this, but continuing to develop testable and re-produceable demonstrations of the way the universe works, without supernatural process, is not the same as "shaking fists" and "stomping feet".
God should feel threatened, because he's nothing more than your imaginary friend who is now faced with retaining existence without the "luxury" of evidence.- Rsulliv1, on 06/07/2008, -0/+10Well put. I really hope that this Mom2GIQM allows her children to come to their own conclusions about life and the world in which they live. Unfortunately, I feel that she's a part of the circulation of these crazy non-founded beliefs. Check out some of her other posts. Florida scares me.
How much history and science had to be ignored for her post? I understand that Digg had long since spread from its Technology-centric roots. Since then, so many more (what I consider) irrational comments appear in posts. I always thought that most of these people intentionally socialized with people of their own beliefs. To me, that's the only way someone can maintain these ideas without ever even wanting to question them.
But, Digg has absorbed a wide variety of people left/right conservative/liberal and everything between. How can someone routinely ignore so much rational & logical evidence and ideas?
I'm truly baffled.- relic180, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1I'm from Florida too. Not everybody down here is a complete nut jub. Just alot of em.
- leakus, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3I agree with you very much, except that scientist have a very good idea of how old the universe is. It is about 13.7 billion years old within a margin of error of about 100 million years. I don't know if the analogy is good, but I think about similar to the temperature of absolute zero, which can't be reached, but we know exactly where it is.
- Rsulliv1, on 06/07/2008, -0/+10Well put. I really hope that this Mom2GIQM allows her children to come to their own conclusions about life and the world in which they live. Unfortunately, I feel that she's a part of the circulation of these crazy non-founded beliefs. Check out some of her other posts. Florida scares me.
- yosserhughes, on 06/07/2008, -0/+18Would that be the same ignorance that declared the earth was the center of the Universe, and threatened with death anyone who spoke otherwise.
Atheists don't 'believe' in science; it simply is.
Do you believe in the theory of gravity? No of course not, that also simply is.
When I see comments like yours I absolutely despair for the human race. If it wasn't for religious superstition we'd be at the stars by now.- ironsam, on 06/07/2008, -10/+2Gravity is the epitome of a theory well suited to empirical analysis. The ultimate origin of matter isn't even remotely empirical.
- Murdats, on 06/07/2008, -1/+6actually it is, we know that all matter in the universe came from a single point and is traveling outwards, this leads to the conclusion of some sort of rapidly expanding or exploding (same thing) model for the beginning of the universe, this model however is quite rough and we know it but for now it explains as much as we can and serves it purpose for letting us predict events based off it.
- ironsam, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1Pure conjecture, Murdats.
- CasinoJack, on 06/07/2008, -1/+3"Despite the fact that the Bible clearly talks about the Earth as a sphere and it's hanging in the universe, the "intelligentsia" was not deterred several thousand years later as they adhered tightly to their ignorance by declaring that the world was flat; being dreadfully afraid to adventure to the horizon, laughing and insulting those who dared to disbelieve their "knowledge" of the world."
Complete nonsense you utter cretin. Do everyone a favour - go walk into the kitchen and shove a gherkin so far up your arse until you choke on it. The world will be a much more intellectual place without the likes of you - you aren't just an idiot, you're a major drag factor on the progress of human kind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_mythology
- ironsam, on 06/07/2008, -10/+2Gravity is the epitome of a theory well suited to empirical analysis. The ultimate origin of matter isn't even remotely empirical.
- CrushThemTorg, on 06/07/2008, -0/+13"Despite the fact that the Bible clearly talks about the Earth as a sphere and it's hanging in the universe ..."
The view at the time when the Bible was written was that the known universe hemispherical. Heaven was a massive vault placed in a great watery nothingness to which the sun and moon were affixed.
I was religious until I read the Old Testament. Try and keep your faith in a merciful God after you read the Book of Numbers. At least Jesus (read: the authors who wrote the gospels) said some good stuff about how to behave toward your fellow humans. - Mnementh2230, on 06/08/2008, -0/+3Actually, I believe the bible calls the earth a circle, not a sphere.
- ApokalypseNow, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2Correct - addressed here:
http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH131.html
- ApokalypseNow, on 06/10/2008, -0/+2Correct - addressed here:
- chicofaraby, on 06/07/2008, -3/+57No one cares if you believe in fairies. We only care when you try to force others to believe in your fairies.
- machocheese34, on 06/07/2008, -6/+27the museum makes my brain hurt
- kelmaster1, on 06/07/2008, -1/+7Agreed, I can't believe how people make this work. I feel sorry for all the brainwashed kids.
- Stavrosian, on 06/07/2008, -1/+4Be grateful that your mind is already developed enough so that the only effect this poison has is pain, I say. It's the people who will think they are learning that I feel sorry for.
- omnithought, on 06/07/2008, -5/+42The funny thing is that many of the exhibits present the museum's version of Science vs Bible and end up sounding like arguments against creationism. Yet, lots of stupid people go in there and think that science got some kid of smackdown.
- skywake, on 06/07/2008, -1/+15like this one: http://www.demonbaby.com/pics/creationmuseum/defin ...
"ok, lets take a little bit of evolution and throw a whole pile of ridiculous assumptions in there"
I am agnostic and will generally defend the idea that people can believe whatever the hell they want..... but this stuff is just nutty. I feel sorry for the average Christian who has to put up with the image that these nutjobs are giving them. - darkciti2, on 06/07/2008, -1/+11That's the scary part. Someday, those kids will become parents and perpetuate this garbage further.
- skywake, on 06/07/2008, -1/+15like this one: http://www.demonbaby.com/pics/creationmuseum/defin ...
- eltrev, on 06/07/2008, -2/+59Grandma just bought an annual pass.
- riyehn, on 06/07/2008, -1/+17It's important to return to the Creation Museum several times a year, because God's Word is always changing and we need to keep up to date. No, wait. What?
- Jegzzy, on 06/07/2008, -2/+4Anyone else read that as anal pass?
- bobfrancis, on 06/07/2008, -7/+75I am embarrassed, for those fools, and that this exists in my country.
- LaurenHoleman, on 06/07/2008, -1/+14I'm even more embarrassed that this exists in my home state. Gotta love the Bible Belt, right?
- darkciti2, on 06/07/2008, -2/+11I hate the Bible Belt, so I'm going to Fix it.
I live in GA and I'm doing my part. We're only 2 percentage points away from being a rational (aka Blue) state.
We can fix it, it just takes coordinated effort.- 1timeuser, on 06/07/2008, -4/+8Democrats are just as retarded as Republicans.. just in a different way. If you really think that being a blue state makes your state more rational then... well you'll be quite disappointed.
- darkciti2, on 06/07/2008, -2/+11I hate the Bible Belt, so I'm going to Fix it.
- walshgopher, on 06/07/2008, -0/+11I'm Canadian :D
- lgc90, on 06/07/2008, -0/+9lucky bastard
- SteelFrog, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3So am I, but we have our religious nut-jobs too, unfortunately.
- LaurenHoleman, on 06/07/2008, -1/+14I'm even more embarrassed that this exists in my home state. Gotta love the Bible Belt, right?
- isparadiselost, on 06/07/2008, -75/+7I look forward to seeing the looks on your faces once you are standing before your ultimate judge. You have had ample opportunity and will find that excuses that get diggs won't get you squat there.
Sleep tight.- noahhoward, on 06/07/2008, -1/+58I will, thanks. Oh, by the way Satan sends his love, says he's looking forward to watching you burn for passing judgement.
- isparadiselost, on 06/07/2008, -6/+1Do you believe in Satan? I spent a few years with him as my primary. You people are so clueless it's comical. He's as real as you. He prefers that you don't believe in him rather than fearing him.
When you get to the other side, you're going to wish that you'd never been born.
See you there.
- isparadiselost, on 06/07/2008, -6/+1Do you believe in Satan? I spent a few years with him as my primary. You people are so clueless it's comical. He's as real as you. He prefers that you don't believe in him rather than fearing him.
- Commonwealth, on 06/07/2008, -2/+48Look forward to your life of fear.
- isparadiselost, on 06/07/2008, -5/+1I have no fear. I'm sure you couldn't say the same.
I pity you and those of your ilk. You are adamant about your position but will be left wanting when the time comes. I've played both sides of the game and can assure you that the dark side is quite real. That being the case, so is the light.
YMMV.
I truly feel sorry for you people. The opportunities are there to save yourselves and yet you refuse to do so. I'll have to listen to your screams when you're begging for another chance. Problem is there won't be one.
Sad.- Commonwealth, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4I used to be a Christian myself, but the intolerance and ignorance slowly led me to question it all. Fear is no reason to act correctly. I try to be a good person not because of the promise of eternal hellfire, but because it is the right thing to do. If God is so petty as to send everyone to Hell except for a select few Christians who happen to have been born into the correct religion, so be it.
- isparadiselost, on 06/07/2008, -5/+1I have no fear. I'm sure you couldn't say the same.
- Murdats, on 06/07/2008, -1/+43the one drawback of being rational, we cant threaten people with fairtales.
- luchid, on 06/07/2008, -2/+34Our "ultimate judge"? Is that the zombie guy who is its own son and a ghost at the same time? Sorry, I keep forgeting all the fairytale's characters' names.
- trevorh, on 06/07/2008, -2/+8Sweet zombie Jesus he wants your brains.
- Macrophallus, on 06/07/2008, -2/+33While you waste your life fellating your imaginary friend, we'll be moving forward and enjoying the intensity of rational life.
- chrgrose, on 06/07/2008, -1/+23Your "god" gave me all the excuses I needed when he decided to make a universe which can be fully comprehended without him...as if he wanted it to look like he had nothing to do with it.
- Roobix, on 06/07/2008, -1/+22How am I supposed to be afraid of a hell I don't believe in?
Anyone? - beloitpiper, on 06/07/2008, -1/+22I'm looking forward to the beer volcano and stripper factory!
- TheMoniker, on 06/07/2008, -2/+19I am no more worried that I will need to account for my actions before your god after death than I am that I'll:
1) Be slogging up mountains made of swords in a Tibetan Buddhist's hell realm
2) Be reborn as a goat
3) Have to worry about the wrath of Zeuss
4) Fall off the boat and into the river Styx
5) Wake up and realize that the Atman was the Brahman the whole time and that I've been dreaming the whole damn thing.
For you see, if I were to start accepting claims about what were to happen after my death on insufficient evidence, I have no reason to choose yours over any of the others. They are all equally as unlikely and silly. - stinkymonkey, on 06/07/2008, -1/+10Wow, no disguising your evilness here. I guess you should make some popcorn and dance around with joy as you watch the people burn.
- StarlessKnight, on 06/07/2008, -1/+6Protip: You will not receive a pile of gold and precious gems upon entering Heaven.
Protip: You will not be damned for all eternity where you will be burned alive or enjoy the pleasant company of a demon with a BDS&M fetish.
/YGMV (Your God May Vary)
/I believe in God, just not your God [or the interpretation thereof, if you didn't catch it] - Duskraven, on 06/07/2008, -1/+6Heaven for the climate? I would prefer hell for the company.
- kabes, on 06/07/2008, -0/+13Not very christian of you. In fact it sounds like you have some pent up anger there...
I wonder... when you are moments away from death, as a christian, will you be at peace? Or will you be worrying if what you spent your life believing is all a lie and all that awaits you is nothingness? I know I will be at peace even if nothingness awaits me because I will have lived my life how I wanted, and my friends and family will remember me. And if there is some kind of higher power that judges me, well at least I lived as a good person and treated people well. That should get me brownie points, right? Or does all god care about is thousand year old traditions and superstitions? It's funny because the nicest, absolutely most caring people I know in my life are not religious, and the worst influences and acquaintances in my life were all christian. Why do so many of them come off as so angry and unhappy? Yes I know this doesn't apply to every christian because I myself am good friends with a couple of them, but in my experience this is all usually the case.
- lazerflesh, on 06/08/2008, -0/+2I still don't understand how you people don't view telling someone to live an eternity in torture is not considered harassment. Try to make points, address issues- challenge us, engage us. I'm open to reasoning.. just answer our questions- confront science with honor and maybe you'll win some hearts.
- askegg, on 06/08/2008, -0/+2Ahh - the peace, tolerance, and love of your religion shines through.
I wonder how to reconcile and "all loving god" with "eternal punishment in the pits of hell"?
- noahhoward, on 06/07/2008, -1/+58I will, thanks. Oh, by the way Satan sends his love, says he's looking forward to watching you burn for passing judgement.
- cowsgonemadd3, on 06/07/2008, -58/+11Jesus loves you and wants a relationship with you.
Get to know him before its too late.- etherreal, on 06/07/2008, -4/+33Jesus was a man who died 2000 years ago. It is already too late to talk to him and have a "relationship". That is, unless you are into extreme necrophilia....
- cowsgonemadd3, on 06/07/2008, -23/+3He rose again 3 days later. He was not a man but the son of God.
- dysfunction, on 06/07/2008, -1/+18Says you. And a really old book.
- trevorh, on 06/07/2008, -1/+6Zombie Jesus!!!
- SuperWinner, on 06/07/2008, -1/+6Actually, there is no proof that such a person ever existed. He was based on a 4000 year old pagan myth.
- cowsgonemadd3, on 06/07/2008, -23/+3He rose again 3 days later. He was not a man but the son of God.
- FreshPineSent, on 06/07/2008, -16/+3Amen.
- trevorh, on 06/07/2008, -0/+6RAmen
- krnldmp, on 06/07/2008, -2/+2I know we still dress them funny and in a way that might suggest they actually stink, but I'm sure the Jesus technology from WAY back up to now prolly lets them get really chummy wit yay whether you know it or not. You don't gotta actually speak to Jesus. You know that, right? He can hear what you're thinking. Sometimes I tell him ***** off out loud just to be shuoore.
- TheMoniker, on 06/07/2008, -1/+9"My loving god wants to have a relationship with you. But if you say 'no', there are going to be consequences!"
I don't consider thinly veiled threats to be loving at all. If yours is that same barbaric, homophobic, petty and jealous god that speaks in Leviticus, do let him know that I can't worship such an abomination. - quaxon, on 06/07/2008, -1/+5David blaine did a magic trick where he died then rose from the dead three days later very early in his career. Does that mean that he is jesus or that jesus was just a magician?
- etherreal, on 06/07/2008, -4/+33Jesus was a man who died 2000 years ago. It is already too late to talk to him and have a "relationship". That is, unless you are into extreme necrophilia....
- FeartheKnighted, on 06/07/2008, -41/+11I love coming to digg to see such open minded comments and people who love our American given freedom of speech.
- Ymeg, on 06/07/2008, -6/+10I love diggers like you who use sarcasm and the freedom of speech logic incorrectly.
- noahhoward, on 06/07/2008, -5/+15Freedom of speech doesn't cover brainwashing children.
- Theoxenmooving, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1Sadly, it does. That's why this exists.
- dysfunction, on 06/07/2008, -1/+8It protects this in a legal sense, yes. It doesn't mean we have to be 'open-minded' about it.
- ironsam, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1I agree, here's a prime example: http://rurl.org/sfn (PDF)
- blagoaw, on 06/07/2008, -1/+8When combined with state protection of religion and assembly, brainwashing is more or less allowed. The fact that these things are allowed is part of the reason why we choose to be critical as individuals rather than leaving it up to the state. This is why someone who comes on and accuses a person of disrespecting free speech for burying someone who makes incredible claims is using fallacious reasoning. In prohibiting the government from interfering with free speech, the framers of the constitution still decided not to prevent citizens from handling the words of others in whatever way they see fit. We bury them because they're wrong, and this is a good thing.
- Theoxenmooving, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1Sadly, it does. That's why this exists.
- dysfunction, on 06/07/2008, -3/+11I don't think 'freedom of speech' means what you think it means.
- Aensland, on 06/07/2008, -1/+6I'm burying you because of stupid, not because of freedom of speech.
- lquid, on 06/07/2008, -1/+3Then GTFO.
- StarlessKnight, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3It's DIGG, not a secret committee on lobbying Congress to ban religion.
- Bodhinature, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4Part of Freedom of Speech is the freedom to ridicule stupid comments!
- nastronomical, on 06/07/2008, -56/+5Its no different than global warming......both are theories!
- fyngyrz, on 06/07/2008, -1/+22Christianity's basic axioms are not derived from data or experiment, cannot be verified by others, present nothing that can be subjected to testing predictions made for falsification. Christianity (and for that matter, all myth) isn't theory, and it isn't science. It's stories. If you want to believe stories, that's your business, but please don't elevate them to the status of scientific theory.
Global warming, on the other hand, can be looked at starting from the (meager) data that has been collected, the (very short) trends we have records for, and some fairly interesting attempts to derive predictions according to theories that try to account for said data points and trends can be developed and tested. Which is not to say that bad science doesn't happen with regard to global warming, or that mistakes are impossible... but it is science, at least when it is pursued by scientists. The lay folk and punditry tend to do a lot of hand-waving that's pretty inaccurate, but that's true for most science anyway. - arkaycee, on 06/07/2008, -3/+9Throw gravity right in there too.
- trevorh, on 06/07/2008, -1/+8I think it is an outrage that intelligent falling isn't right beside Newtonian gravity in schools.
- arkaycee, on 06/07/2008, -0/+5Original Sin weights us down.
- trevorh, on 06/07/2008, -1/+8I think it is an outrage that intelligent falling isn't right beside Newtonian gravity in schools.
- Cayfox, on 06/07/2008, -1/+9Yes; one is scientific theory, the other is a 'theory' in the sense of an unproven hunch or conjecture.
I'd leave you to figure out for yourself which is which, only I know you can't be trusted to get it right. Either you genuinely don't understand the difference, or you think there's something clever about muddying the distinction between these two uses of the word 'theory'. But there isn't.
- fyngyrz, on 06/07/2008, -1/+22Christianity's basic axioms are not derived from data or experiment, cannot be verified by others, present nothing that can be subjected to testing predictions made for falsification. Christianity (and for that matter, all myth) isn't theory, and it isn't science. It's stories. If you want to believe stories, that's your business, but please don't elevate them to the status of scientific theory.
- AbdullahAbuDawu, on 09/12/2008, -34/+7No reason to bring Islam into this. This is strictly Christian craziness.
- skidzilla, on 06/07/2008, -2/+12There are crazy Islamic creationists too, just do a search on youtube.
- AbdullahAbuDawu, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3Dinosaurs with Adam and Eve? Link me to the video please.
- skidzilla, on 06/07/2008, -2/+12There are crazy Islamic creationists too, just do a search on youtube.
- ncsumetalhead, on 06/07/2008, -8/+25love the title for this submission. priceless.
I don't think there's ever been a quote from Bill Hicks that fits the guy in the videos more "You ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really un-evolved?" - Elizar, on 06/07/2008, -14/+6Dugg for comment featuring raptor jesus!
- beloitpiper, on 06/07/2008, -2/+2I don't think you understand how Digg works. Try again.
- headzoo, on 06/07/2008, -6/+33If dinosaurs and man were living side by side at one point, there should be massive amounts of ancient artwork depicting it. Yet there is none. So really, who do these people think they're fooling?
- Rally603, on 06/07/2008, -0/+14Simple, yet completely logical reasoning you've got there.
It's like creationist kryptonite.- Rsulliv1, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1*****
- IG64, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient ...
I haven't read any of the text. And I don't know if any of it's real. And some of it is pushing it. But I thought it was interesting. - darkciti2, on 06/07/2008, -2/+12They fooling the shallow minded.
The truly horrifying part is that these people will perpetuate mindless / thoughtless living.
I live in a Bible state and people here will stop in the middle of the road to wave another car into traffic, not thinking that the other car can't see the other lane and WHAM!*!! A car accident happens because the decided to play Christian traffic cop (and because they were too stupid to think about the lane next to them [that they didn't control]).
Then, they drive away and pretend they didn't have anything to do with the accident.
***** and their hypocrisy, ugh!- wpc33, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1What the hell does this have to do with this?
"Oh man, those damn CHRISTIAN guys who litter, they burn me up!"
You labeled the antagonists in your rant omnisciently.
- wpc33, on 06/07/2008, -1/+1What the hell does this have to do with this?
- Rsulliv1, on 06/07/2008, -0/+8Well... They're fooling eight to twelve year olds. The parents were fooled when they were that age as well.
It's sad to see a grown man take so much pleasure in getting children to believe this. - walshgopher, on 06/07/2008, -4/+1They did mention dragons. There is ancient artwork depicting dragons, and old folklore mentioning dragons. I'm not saying it proves anything, but it must be taken into account that there exists a retort.
- Kyan, on 06/07/2008, -0/+8All it proves it some ancient people found dinosaur bones and felt obligated to create a myth to explain them.
I mean that same logic could be used 10,000 years from now to say, "hey, maybe zombies really did exist. Look at all these ancient books and DVDs about zombies. I'm not saying it proves anything, but it must be taken into account".
Don't forget to shave. Occam.- Bulletbillx, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1I'd laugh my ass off if people in the future thought World War Z and the Zombie Survival Guide were for real.
- Kyan, on 06/07/2008, -0/+8All it proves it some ancient people found dinosaur bones and felt obligated to create a myth to explain them.
- boomqweeshaa, on 06/07/2008, -0/+3It was obviously destroyed in the flood!
- Waterrat, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1Which flood?
There have been so many.
- Waterrat, on 06/07/2008, -0/+1Which flood?
- Rally603, on 06/07/2008, -0/+14Simple, yet completely logical reasoning you've got there.
- dsbaehler, on 06/07/2008, -36/+5You are all being the close mined idiots you claim to hate! You don't know everything there is to know in this universe but you act as if you do. Shame on all of you. 100 years from now people will look back at your precious "truths" and laugh their asses off. Open your minds and shut your mouths!
- darkciti2, on 06/07/2008, -0/+15"We" are not close minded (it's "minded" with a "d", *****).
I alone am close minded.
I'm just one guy surfing digg.
I'm not some big organization trying to attack you idiots.
I'm just one guy that hates how you are hurting society with your false sense of "shame" and your hypocrisy.
My mind has been open so goddamned long that my mouth has just recently earned the right to speak. You must be the other guy - the guy that speaks blindly and without thought.
Here's a prophecy for you, friend:
Reality is Lord! Praise Him! Bow down before Him lest he unleash magical talking snakes into your wife's triangle garden!
He loves you (and your wife, too). - Cayfox, on 06/07/2008, -0/+10Unless they discover fossilised rabbits within the next hundred years, I think the theory of evolution will be a keeper. Science is about expanding human horizons; doubtless we will know more and disprove things we thought we knew. But it won't be thanks to some ancient, preachy book.
- TheMoniker, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4Well, if you were trying to convince people to open their minds you could do better than storming onto the Digg forums and making sweeping generalizations while insulting absolutely everyone.
- RyanP, on 06/07/2008, -0/+4Oh the irony...
- darkciti2, on 06/07/2008, -0/+15"We" are not close minded (it's "minded" with a "d", *****).
- TheRealToma, on 06/07/2008, -16/+12Ignorance is bliss. You have to understand that believing in this ***** makes these people happy. If theyre not hurting anyone while doing so, then thats fine. I personally hate the fact that parents push their beliefs onto their kids. Even if you're an atheist (like me) you should let your kids believe what they want. Btw, ***** creationism.
- Tyrghast, on 06/07/2008, -0/+8"I personally hate the fact that parents push their beliefs onto their kids."
That's kind of the problem I'm running in to at the moment. My parents are hardcore Church of Christ-ers, who refuse to notice the hypocrisy of claiming to be Christians while at the same time being some of the most self-righteous and unforgiving people around. They think I'm faithful to their religion, but I just don't have the balls to tell them I really don't care (and that I developed a liking for quite a few 'sinful' things while away at college) because A) I live with them still, B) I'd rather not be excommunicated from my immediate family. I love them but I don't agree with them.- 1timeuser, on 06/07/2008, -0/+5Funny. I live with some pretty hardcore Christians. They know I'm agnostic and dont give me ***** about it mostly because I don't give them ***** about their beliefs either. My best friend is a pretty hardcore Christian and hes spoken to me exactly once about it. I told him where I stood and he was quite understanding about it.
We can't all be winners, and I don't know you or your family, but I'm sure they wouldn't excommunicate you just because you are actually thinking and questioning your beliefs.
Back when I went to a presbyterian church a reverend told me something a long the lines of "If you don't question your beliefs you're an idiot and you'll never learn anything about yourself". I don't really go to church anymore, but I like to volunteer at the homeless womens shelter with him still.
Oh, and as liberal as all this sounds, this is coming from Alabama.
- 1timeuser, on 06/07/2008, -0/+5Funny. I live with some pretty hardcore Christians. They know I'm agnostic and dont give me ***** about it mostly because I don't give them ***** about their beliefs either. My best friend is a pretty hardcore Christian and hes spoken to me exactly once about it. I told him where I stood and he was quite understanding about it.
- Tyrghast, on 06/07/2008, -0/+8"I personally hate the fact that parents push their beliefs onto their kids."
