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  • HumanCattle, on 07/09/2008, -28/+692It's almost as if there is some kind of "brigade" with god-like "bury" powers that are keeping such articles off the front page.
    • Daniel591992, on 07/09/2008, -11/+351Digg is so broken it's not even funny. The front page is being gamed by top-users and users with hundreds of friends. The shout system has to be removed and the friend system has to be addressed. Maybe force users to know something about their friend before they add them? It won't make the power users happy, but it will help fix the issue.

      Any staff member reading this?????
      • blackolive, on 07/09/2008, -2/+122The bury crowd is *nothing* like digg's normal users - they're abusers who realized upcomming buries count the most.

        As for the algorithm, it's just as corrupt - top users have more "diversity" than normal users & stupid news has more "diversity" than important news.

        *Only* digg's frontpage users can accurately censor - every alternative will be gamed.

        Digg could weaken upcoming buries, strengthen frontpage buries, & then let *far* more stories get promoted to the frontpage. (and then buried )frontpage.
      • benologist, on 07/09/2008, -1/+48They need to turn shouts off but then that's been true since they came up with the stupidest messaging system on the internet. I guess all the extra ad impressions - 3 per page x however many people that user swaps diggs with - make it worth keeping.

        The tards have taken it a step further too. Instead of just swapping diggs now they swap shouts too. Retard1 shouts his friends about Retard2's story and vice versa, which gives them the "diversity" they need to hit the front page.

        Meanwhile legitimate users are all but irrelevant, and the people digging 1000+ stories a day are the ones most likely to overlap with your own digging and affect your recommendations.
      • DooM, on 07/09/2008, -4/+30Removing shout is probably a good idea but it won't stop the gaming if people are determined. I mean MrBabyMan has a blog, afterall.. and people have email addresses.. all of which can be used to direct zombie diggers. If they really want to game the system they will.
      • uptown, on 07/09/2008, -1/+15Podcast commenting is broken.
      • kalagmail, on 07/09/2008, -4/+41This why many are moving to reddit.
      • terrya64, on 07/09/2008, -3/+142Why have a friends ability at all, this isn't Myspace.
      • Spudster, on 07/09/2008, -2/+64What's funny about Reddit is that my friend, not a power user one bit, has actually managed to have two submissions make frontpage. The guy doesn't game the system at all and got those two on frontpage solely from the ideal democratic model that Digg was supposed to represent.

        Digg is so gamed now it's not even funny. There are a few simple solutions: Limit the number of submissions per day and change the algorithym so that Diggers who all Digg the same content repeatedly have the weight of their votes count less in determining frontpage status.
      • kinggimped, on 07/09/2008, -0/+16I agree with all of the above. Digg has been pretty ***** for a while now. That's not to say it doesn't still provide me with some good content now and again, but I can generally pretty much guarantee that at least 7 of the top 10 will be old or pure garbage.

        As usual, it's the minority ruining it for the rest of us.
      • chemam, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2amen, i have 0 friends on digg, wtf for?
        i use the upcoming section but i feel like barely anyone goes through it...
      • ruddy, on 07/10/2008, -0/+3I say we put the electoral college into play.
      • Loxias, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2I have zero friends too, having that in common we should become acquaintances!
      • brownsmurf, on 07/14/2008, -0/+2So much for free speech. Digg is turning into the U.S.'s government. Corrupt and fed up. Anyone up for a citizens server raid?
    • Hortnon, on 07/09/2008, -11/+41Clearly, that's the most reasonable explanation.
      • SilverStandard, on 07/09/2008, -0/+6True, I think it's normal when a story (not this one) gets 500+ Diggs and one bury results in its removal.
    • mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -2/+158I agree with Daniel - shouts are killing digg. I have few friends on digg with over 200 friends. When I see a friend request from someone from 08 with around 900 friends added I just keep moving.
      • CarStan, on 07/09/2008, -2/+2well mrbabyman for example only has 300 friends
      • MrTulip, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2but he's also digging their submissions like crazy, sometimes over 50 in less than 3 minutes. so they return the favor. everyone of his stories, regardless of quality, gets 40 to 60 diggs after submitting.
    • Surferess, on 07/09/2008, -3/+51The front page stories have to clear a bar. However, none of us know where the bar is, and digg changes the bar daily, just for fun.
      • Hortnon, on 07/09/2008, -6/+34The bar changes on a per-story basis, depending on who Diggs it, how fast Diggs are recieved, who submits the story, and probably some other factors. The process is kept secret to prevent widespread cheating.
      • blackolive, on 07/09/2008, -2/+26The "bar" is broken. Frankly it appears to promote stories at random - "who can get the most noob votes?"
    • nelsonjs, on 07/09/2008, -5/+18Sign onto the open letter to Kevin Rose:
      http://digg.com/people/An_Open_Letter_to_Kevin_Ros ...
    • known, on 07/09/2008, -3/+9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy (?)
      versus
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democr ... (digg)
    • leladax, on 07/09/2008, -11/+5it is obvious digg is burying - with employees - certain articles.

      democracy my ass digg. you'll be committing suicide if you continue it.
    • nafai, on 07/09/2008, -10/+5Could it be that the linked article is almost unreadable? It's a huge graphic image that you have to pan back and forth to read ... why not just post text?
    • falstaff, on 07/09/2008, -16/+22You mean the melodramatic, inaccurate, ***** political opinion articles that make the front page every day? Yes, some do get buried, but by looking at the amount that do get promoted, it's not like this kind of story is getting no attention.

      Besides, if it's so 'undemocratic' to bury something with which you disagree, what does that say about the multitude of articles from the other side of the political aisle that never see the light of day, or the comments from those type of people (including, I'm guessing, this very post you're reading) that routinely end up at -50 votes or so? But yeah, it's totally only the right-wing, big-oil loving, Constitution shredders who have a voice on Digg.

      Or not.
      • cmorriss, on 07/09/2008, -1/+9Finally someone speaks the truth and is of course going to be buried into infinity. Digg group think at its best.
      • jethroalias97, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4I'm posting here because its the only way digg will let me bookmark a comment. I think that was well said sir and you will get dugg up :)
      • Arkons24, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4I sense much win in this poster. I think it mostly has something to do with all the shut-ins having all day to conspire to cheat to get this stuff to the top while the majority of us are fairly moderate and intelligent that bury this kind of crap automatically. Thus we get the situation where ***** opinion pieces from whatever Looniversity crackpot website take a incredibly long time to get to the top because the vast majority of digg users are casual ones and just bury the crap and don't bother with the minority-inspired massive shout chaining that goes on to get thinkprogresses articles to the front page every hour or so.
    • yeti22, on 07/09/2008, -4/+14Or maybe a feature marked with a big, red BETA tag doesn't have all the kinks worked out yet....
      • SilverStandard, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1This happened for it went BETA.
    • jerrycurley, on 07/09/2008, -7/+1An Alex Jones fan. Classic.

      Nothing I coulkd have possibly done will take away as much credibility from you as you do when you let people know that you believe a word that comes out iof Alex Jones' mouth.
    • BoneStamp, on 07/09/2008, -1/+4Does anybody else's Firefox slow to a crawl if they don't reload the page within a few minutes after commenting?
      • Rabbit63, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2Yes I get exactly the same thing with Firefox.
      • BoneStamp, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1If all I did was surf digg then it wouldn't be a big deal, but I'll leave a comment and then go back to work and then come back to my browser -- it's so slow that I have to close the digg tab and open a new tab and go back to digg.com... so annoying.
    • STPZ, on 07/09/2008, -0/+5Hey like magic diggers complained and now its Top in all Topics

      just goes to show its really broken when intervention has to be done so that something important can make it to the top
    • XombieRobot, on 07/09/2008, -1/+5Seriously, what do these "power users" get from having their stories on the front page?

      I don't get it. Is it really that gratifying to have your name all over the place?
      • Loxias, on 07/10/2008, -0/+4Didn't you get the memo?
        Digg is an e-penis pump, shared mostly by 12 people, and viewed by thousands.

        That analogy got weird fast.
      • musicbear, on 07/10/2008, -0/+3I've never understood what anyone gets from being a "top digger" either. The only reason to be living on digg so much is that your either that starved for attention (to which I would recommend the front door as an egress) or you're being paid or otherwise compensated for your constant slavish devotion to a free site.

        There should be no weight given to what makes the front page other than the number of votes in a certain amount of time. Friends, diversity, or whatever you want to call it, shouldn't count and when accounts digg in sync with each other that should actually be a non-count. Digg should also scrape legit news sites in all categories and force that stuff on to the front page so that you could actually use digg as a legitmate news scraper and not just as place to gather weird stuff.

        Shouts should be dropped and unless they've got something planned for the social stuff, that should pretty much be dropped as well. If you want to know what a person is digging, grab an RSS feed from their page.
    • jimi1337, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1The user taking the screenshot has sorted the upcoming stories by "most recent". Considering the volume of articles submitted to Digg, I doubt the article having 844 diggs at the time came before articles having 1...
      • jimi1337, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1That being said, sorting within the "recommendations" section by "most diggs" does not reveal the story either.

        As this is obviously a feeble attempt to save myself by cowering behind a reply to my own reply, please digg me down.

        By the way, the ***** comments system still blows.
  • Pizzini3000, on 07/09/2008, -25/+259Perhaps we can at least get this to the front. Dugg for great Justice!
    • djepik, on 07/09/2008, -3/+31Enough.

      This is a call to arms.

      Let's blow this ***** out of the water 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0 style.
      • WallnutBoy, on 07/09/2008, -8/+1609-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
        09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0
        09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0

        Delete this post and I move to Reddit.
    • ShinMoses, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1mmmm zigg mmm zig

    • pckbeta, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1Over 7 k now.
  • MarkusGarvey, on 07/09/2008, -13/+100send an email to feedback too...this is not right...
    • smoothiefan, on 07/09/2008, -4/+21feedback@digg.com

      or

      http://digg.com/bugreport
    • TBBucs, on 07/09/2008, -1/+8You make it sound like Digg is violating your personal rights. It's a news website! And while it's odd that certain stories aren't making the front page, it isn't an appalling travesty. Calm down, everything will be ok.
      • PATSCRU, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2While it is disconcerting that a story you don't like didn't make the front page, it is a democratic website, and there were obviously a lot of people that buried that. It's not digg's fault, it's the user's voting for the stories they like and dislike, and that's what makes digg great.

        The way upcoming works from what i gather is that if a story doesn't reach a certain threshold of diggs in a certain amount of time, it won't make the front page no matter how many diggs it recieved after it hit that threshold.
    • d3lta, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4You know what else isn't right, censuring stories that are critical of digg.
      This was removed from the frontpage within minutes of becoming popular:

      http://digg.com/tech_news/Why_I_m_leaving_Digg_foc ...

      You know what that means? The only way you can find that story is either by visiting the profiles of people who dugg or commented on it or by using digg's search engine... in other words your chances of finding it are pretty slim. You can find screenshots of this in the story below:

      http://digg.com/design/Digg_s_Shameless_Rapid_Cens ...
    • geoff1210, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1No one will read this, but for me, I don't give a flying ***** if it goes popular. I want to see good quality news, and interesting stuff. I see it, I like it, I digg it. No real need to get my panties in a bunch if it doesn't frontpage. Ever since the recommendation engine launched, I have found genuinely interesting stuff, which I digg regardless of if it has 100 diggs or 10,000 diggs. I actually like the fact I am finding stuff that others don't know about.
  • Hangly, on 07/09/2008, -20/+233Digg seems to be attempting to change itself from a primarily tech/politics site into a more mainstream general interest site.

    Part of that means making sure a lot of stupid crap no one here cares about (zenhabits, sports, et al) makes the front page, and part of it means suppressing threads that are... controversial.

    That's my working theory anyway. It could be something more sinister, but how would you ever know?
    • Hortnon, on 07/09/2008, -11/+28If that were true, then ThinkProgress, HuffPo, etc wouldn't be making the front page.
      • Hangly, on 07/09/2008, -5/+15I always thought HuffPo is pretty mainstream. Liberal, yes, but mainstream.

        Not nearly as radical as yours truly, that is.
      • Hortnon, on 07/09/2008, -6/+12The question wasn't about how Liberal it is, but how controversial. They post contreversial stories. That's the beginning and end of my point.
    • jstohler, on 07/09/2008, -9/+2>>Digg seems to be attempting to change itself from a primarily tech/politics site into a more mainstream general interest site.
      • Navicerts, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3I don't think its "attempting to change itself" - I think it is just changing.
    • johnomaz, on 07/09/2008, -13/+2Digg is a user submitted news site where the user, thats you, has the ability to dictate what is popular and whats not.
      • SonnyW, on 07/09/2008, -1/+4Pretty much how we, the voter, get to elect politicians?
      • specialK16, on 07/09/2008, -1/+6Not when the system is designed (intentionally or not) to give priority to the most popular members. This can be noticed in many submissions where the first comments are always "Great article! Thanks!" or "Thanks for the shout", etc.

        Suddenly stories are popular because they are delivered to the friends of popular members, whom are fundamentally biased towards this person (they are added as friends for some reason), and not because a group of unknown and not related members are voting. This last option gave the site certain objectivity regarding the popularity of the stories, which if you remember, gave Digg certain diversity for some time.

        Nowadays it all seems to be moronic 4chan type posts, or stories that I simply don't give a ***** about. In my opinion, or experience at least, this was bound to happen. It seems to me that every forum I'm part of eventually fades into boredom and lack of interesting discussions, as such I move elsewhere. I'm not done with digg yet though.
    • Spudster, on 07/09/2008, -5/+4Keep in mind that the radicals on this site like Ron Paul supporters were just as guilty of gaming Digg as anyone else. I think you're just seeing that the people who visit Digg are more moderate users that are less tech focused than before. I don't think Kevin Rose is really changing anything to favour different content, the algorithym is changed to reflect what users really vote for and not what is simply wanted by a small group of people.
      • badassninja, on 07/09/2008, -0/+5Hum... if digging something because it is your fav subject of all time (apart from maybe your religion) is gaming digg then maybe I don't understand how digg works. Almost most people were so gun ho for Ron Paul because it sounded easier then storming the white house lawn.
    • megamod, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2Seems a bit ironic that since this article is controversial it made it to the front page though it's based on a "politics" article.
    • clickwir, on 07/09/2008, -0/+8digg is slowly moving away from what made it great. I see less and less tech stories every day. Which is what brought me here.

      I find myself looking elsewhere for the interesting tech news these days. I wish slashdot had a +/- system. Even if it didn't matter to what stories made the homepage. They are already good, I just wish to be able to express my + or - for a story.
      • jsd8cc, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1I agree with you, but then I thought..."Well, you *can* filter what shows up on the front page." I then preceded to click the "Technology" link up top.

        15 front page stories...ALL images. No articles.
      • Spudster, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1It's pretty well understood that Digg is not a tech news site anymore. If you want that, go to Reddit. It's like Digg but much more tech slanted.

        I personally enjoy where Digg has gone and I always go to Reddit for my tech news now.
      • anaesthetica, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2Slashdot does have a +/- system called "Firehose". It's functionality is exposed to registered users. It let's you vote up or down on a submitted story, let the editors know if there's a dupe, or a better alternate submission, or a typo, etc.

        The only problems with it are: 1) it's a complete ***** UI disaster, and 2) the editors still have final say over what makes it to the front page, your +/- is recommendation to them only.
    • Chirp08, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1So they should make it like reddit, and let us subscribe to what WE want on OUR front page instead of assuming what we might like to see.
    • mikeruiz7, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2I think you meant 'et cetera'. 'Et al' refers only to people, which is why you probably learned of it's existence from books that have authors names and then 'et al', meaning among other people. Et cetera refers to nouns, like 'sports' or 'zen habits'.
    • gavin422, on 07/09/2008, -0/+8Where are you getting "politics" from? Digg wasn't originally a politics site, it was a tech site.
    • kevinwiz, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3sports are "stupid crap no one cares about"? really? makes me wonder about digg's obesity rate. all these articles about gaming and weed...
      • neuromachine, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4You can exercise and eat healthy without liking sports
      • KnuckleZ, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1So if I like to lift weights and eat healthy that somehow makes me obese just because I don't like as many sports and can care less if it's featured on Digg?
      • Hangly, on 07/10/2008, -0/+2Watching professional sports is not exercise.
    • LittlemanTAMU, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1Gavin's right, Digg *used* to be tech-oriented, hell when they started adding other categories digg.com still just gave you the list of tech stories by default and kept it that way for early users (and made it a user-changeable setting). The political crap became popular along long after the tech side had been going.
    • mikethejohnson, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1@hangly...
      Whoa Whoa Whoa here! You crossed the line saying that no one cares about sports. Maybe in that cracked-out world of yours that's how it is, but here in the real world it's very much the opposite. If you want to keep to the controversy click on the tab with politics and have at it.
      • Hangly, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1Just spitballing. Slashdot and Reddit don't have a sports section. Seems an odd category for what was originally a tech site.

        The fact that Digg has one, and is trying to... promote it seems to indicate a conscious decision to change to a different market presence.

        And they're ***** with the voting to do it.
    • Tomholius, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1Digg was never origionally about politics news, it started out as a tech news website, if this was something about tech that was never front paged then i would care. But the end of the constitution? Lets be serious, you havn't had a constitution since bush became presedent.
    • The_Red_Monkey, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1Apparently you are new. I loathe that Digg added a politics section. I long for the pre-Obamamania and pre- Rupaul I mean Ron Paul days.
    • spaceman77, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1 I see the usual suppressors of freedom of speech (guess which amendment boys and girls?) are out in force.
  • harikaried, on 07/09/2008, -20/+231http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Constitution ... is at 1000+ diggs and not promoted yet.
  • sexualaj, on 07/09/2008, -34/+530Dear Mr Rose,

    Please explain.

    Sincerely,
    The Diggers
    • Hangly, on 07/09/2008, -9/+162Dear sexualaj,

      Muahahahahahahahahahaha.

      Sincerely,
      The Office of Strategic Influence
      • sexualaj, on 07/09/2008, -31/+4how is my name not funnier than "mrbabyman" LOL
      • verivalta, on 07/09/2008, -0/+35That would be an evil laugh Sexualaj, not a laugh at your name.
      • unitedstatians, on 07/10/2008, -2/+1Posted comment above is sponsored by General M. P. Bury commander of Digg Legion named 'The Buried Brigade Alliance'.
    • nelsonjs, on 07/09/2008, -2/+15Here is a real open letter:
      http://digg.com/people/An_Open_Letter_to_Kevin_Ros ...
    • D3ADBOLT, on 07/09/2008, -42/+36Dear Diggers

      If you don't like my site....go ***** yourself.

      Regards
      Mr Rose
    • jspegele, on 07/09/2008, -8/+35It's easy to explain... a lot of people buried this story which has kept it off of the front page. Diggers scream for "true democracy" on the site, yet at the same time, complain that stories can be buried. Guess what, each person has just as much right to vote against a story as they do to vote for a story.
      • rv36116, on 07/09/2008, -3/+18Which is why a "Democracy" never works because that means 51% can keep 49% of the people from seeing the truth out in the open or 51% can infringe on 49% of people's rights.

        A democracy is crap, a republic, (you remember in the pledge of allegiance where it says "and to the republic, for which it stands...") is true freedom, too bad digg is going from democracy to fascism in a heartbeat.
      • paradexes, on 07/09/2008, -0/+6The problem is when there is a fixed group of people (bury gangs and such) who manipulate the results. It might be a good idea for Kevin Rose to take stock of where all the buries/diggs come from. If say 100 come from a single IP block the IP from digg. This could stop some of these issues.
      • badassninja, on 07/09/2008, -3/+5I dont know about digg, but you need to get the idea out of your head that America is a Democracy. It never was and hopefully never will be. A Democracy can vote away all of your rights, so all the government had to do is spend 50 years brain washing the people to not want their rights and let the people vote them away. We live under a republic.
      • jspegele, on 07/09/2008, -2/+6@badassninja, who the hell said America is a democracy? I said nothing about America in my comment. I said that "diggers call for a 'true democracy'", nothing about America in there. You know what, ***** this, the average digger is too retarded to bother debating a point with.
      • dizavin, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2can I get a witness?
      • Hangly, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2I don't believe you.

        I guess that comes from being lied to too much.
    • razz8806, on 07/09/2008, -0/+17Kevins Answer:

      http://digg.com/people/An_Open_Letter_to_Kevin_Ros ...
    • The_Red_Monkey, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1Its part of the algorithm to keep the front page from being dominated by the few, ooohhhh its not working well.
      • Hangly, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1The algorithm is in fact to keep the front page from being dominated by the many.
        11,000 people dugg that topic!
  • Hangly, on 07/09/2008, -24/+66Hm....


    The Information Operations Task Force (IOTF) is described as a unit -- "deeper in the Pentagon's bureaucracy" -- which assumed much of the operations of the Office of Strategic Influence after it was shut down in February 2002. According to "Pentagon documents, the Rendon Group played a major role in the IOTF. The company was charged with creating an 'Information War Room' to monitor worldwide news reports at lightning speed and respond almost instantly with counterpropaganda," James Bamford reported November 17, 2005, in Rolling Stone magazine.

    [...]

    "Rendon was also charged with engaging in 'military deception' online -- an activity once assigned to the OSI. The company was contracted to monitor Internet chat rooms in both English and Arabic -- and 'participate in these chat rooms when/if tasked.' Rendon would also create a Web site 'with regular news summaries and feature articles. Targeted at the global public, in English and at least four (4) additional languages, this activity also will include an extensive e-mail push operation.' These techniques are commonly used to plant a variety of propaganda, including false information," Bamford wrote.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php ?title=Information_Operations_Task_Force

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php ?title=Rendon_Group

    Clients include:

    * American Housing Consortium (based in Kuwait)
    * American Business Council of Kuwait
    * Bulgaria
    * Colombian army
    * Indonesia
    * KPMY/Peat Marwick
    * Kuwait
    * Kuwait Petroleum Corporation
    * Kuwait University
    * Monsanto Chemical Company
    * Russia
    !!!! * U.S. Strategic Command
    !!!! * U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID)
    !!!! * U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
    !!!! * U.S. Pentagon
    * Uzbekistan
    * Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation (which it helped promote a ban on landmines)

    Lol, they have a website.
    http://www.rendon.com/
    • mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -9/+20yes thats right I buried that ***** propaganda because I am a paid government agent. expect a knock on your door from humorless men in black suits and dark sunglasses very soon. you are gonna love gitmo.
      • floatingorb, on 07/09/2008, -7/+5I expect *humorless men in black suits* to be fried 300 ft from the house and 700 feet from the road by the sprinkler system. If they manage to "knock on the door" then we are not talking humans here -- That's what the cup of piss is for.
      • Hangly, on 07/09/2008, -2/+8The Rendon Group is a private corporation. Surely you can read.
      • mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -5/+2i didn't say I was with the rendon group did i
      • pintomp3, on 07/09/2008, -1/+6no, you are voluntarily stupid.
      • rrife, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4From my experiences, the govt. has been trying to change their image and the old hard-ass man dress in blacked has been replace with hot college grad women.....at least in the FBI's OPM division.
      • Spudster, on 07/09/2008, -4/+2Nah, we tend to leave those who wear tinfoil hats alone. Our time is much better spent creating more crop circles to scare them with.
      • Hangly, on 07/10/2008, -0/+3Get it? TIN foil, and CROP circles.

        See the joke is you guys are all nutso, don't you--

        Hey, where are you going?
  • SEANWOOKIE, on 07/09/2008, -17/+13That seems like old news to me.
  • nelsonjs, on 07/09/2008, -11/+69Here is the original link Digg prevented from getting to the front page. Currently over 1,100 Diggs in less than 24 hours.

    http://www.theseminal.com/2008/07/08/the-constitut ...

    http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Constitution ...
    • Stwo, on 07/09/2008, -8/+1Why is this such a big deal to you nelson? Did mommy not love you? I dont get why you need to make such a big stink, or why you NEED to be on the front page. I like to think that myself, like most digg users, are here for the news and comments not for the fanfare of being able to say "I had a story on the front page of Digg today". Without Digg, it would be quite difficult to navigate through a lot of the crap out there posing as news, and I can rest assured that I will be communicating with like-minded people.
  • jcm267, on 07/09/2008, -53/+80This is mostly because Ronbots and Troofers generally have multiple "sock puppet" accounts that weigh low in the algorithm and because many sane digg users bury their idiotic submissions, thus making the requirement for hitting the front page higher.

    Just the other day an Infowars.net submission got over 1,000 diggs. Just because something doesn't hit the front page doesn't mean the the troofers aren't swarming to it with their sock puppets.
    • mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -15/+34so how many ronbot diggs do you think I canceled out with my bury?
      • Hortnon, on 07/09/2008, -9/+29Well it's a Super Bury™, so...

        All of them.
      • inobla, on 07/12/2008, -0/+6"so how many ronbot diggs do you think I canceled out with my bury?"

        Not as many as Herkimer. :D
    • KennMac, on 07/09/2008, -30/+18It's funny. You're using the same paranoid tactics of the very people you like to ridicule and criticize. You live so far under a rock that there MUST be some kind of elaborate conspiracy against you and your skewed view of the world.

      That's right, there's a whole team of people who wait for commands from above to ferociously log-in and log-out of as many accounts as possible, in order to digg up stories that jcm267 disagrees with. Give me a ***** break.

      Maybe it's time for you to migrate to a new site that better reflects your mind-numbingly stupid ideologies.
      • Hortnon, on 07/09/2008, -11/+19Yeah, but...

        It's been proven...
      • mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -4/+22I had screens from prison planet forums that were calling for the gaming of digg and burying of stories and users that were againt PP Infowars and Alex Jones but sadly I lost them in a format. Hell Herkimer was PP #1 troll and probably still is. So yes there are actually people who have nothing better to do than follow the bury brigade around the tubes.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -9/+19I know that Alex had singled me out for "special attention" but I had no idea I was at the top of their enemies list.
      • ssn697, on 07/09/2008, -8/+18@Herk

        There HAS to be some kind of plaque or award that goes with that!
      • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -12/+19I'm honored to have just been mentioned but I'm betting that I'm not at the top of that list anymore. They've really been pounding on onetimer and jcm267 lately. Not to mention the abuse that they heap on you on occasion. I think that all of this nonsense just shows how afraid of the truth those people are.
      • jcm267, on 07/09/2008, -6/+11http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m124/jcm267/Nat ...

        http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m124/jcm267/Ron ...

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQhX4VIYi9c

        Just for starters. I have others saved in my digg, submission, and favorite histories. Well.... one comes to mind that's just too ***** funny that I have to drag it out.

        http://digg.com/comedy/The_Ron_Paul_Digg_Brigade_I ...
      • Fordi, on 07/09/2008, -1/+11The list in question:
        http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4402 ...

        Herk, I don't always agree with you, but this targeting ***** is wrong.
      • jcm267, on 07/09/2008, -6/+8@Fordi...

        That's Jamey.... trolling away for the Infowar.
      • mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -2/+7joe that ***** rocks that you still have those screens
      • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -2/+8Thanks for the link, Fordi, it was very enlightening. I may not agree with you on some topics but I agree that the targeting is wrong. It's always struck me as odd that a group like the truthers who are always screaming about their freedom of speech should be so dead set on denying that same right to others.
    • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -16/+35@KennMac

      Were you aware that Alex Jones has singled out specific Digg users on his radio program to be attacked and buried by his listeners? Were you aware that truthers meet on prisonplanet and other forums to discuss ways to game Digg and solicit support for their postings? Maybe it's time for you to move to a forum where ignorance isn't such a drawback. Try prisonplanet. There are lots of ignorant people there.
      • IgorUnchained, on 07/09/2008, -13/+6Take a look at Herk's history....the guy does nothing but spout his point of view "AGAINST" progressive views. He makes no intelligent argument and basically sticks to name calling.

        It is funny to me that this jackass thinks that Alex Jones is out to get him, but he hates "conspiracy theorists". All of Alex's shows are taped....mind sharing which show YOU were singled out on?
        I bet you do mind....because you are making it up.

        The fact is that the mainstream media does a piss poor job of reporting the news. The internet and grassroots efforts are most people's link to something besides Faux News and a half hour of Katie Couric. Now that the internet (and Digg) have become one big 4Chan/iphone add.....that has become harder to come by.

        You bury Prisonplanet and Digg censors infowars.....but CrooksandLiars and Rawstory are on the front page every day. You fail....and you fail because of ignorance.
      • mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -1/+11I bury that bull ***** too (far left liberal garbage). I used to have to link saved to herk getting called out but tragically all of my cool ***** like that on a format.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -1/+12@Igor

        You would have to ask someone that actually listens to that trash. I was told by the truthers here on Digg that Alex had specifically mentioned me on his program as someone to stalk and attack. When it comes to the insanity of the truthers I don't have to make things up, the things you people do are scary enough.

        I bury prisonplanet and infowars stories because they are propaganda, exploitation or outright lies. Alex Jones is nothing more than a tragedy whore and a conman and you are gullible enough to buy his *****. It must really suck to be you.

        Oh, and please post a link where I've argued against a "progressive" view. I've argued against the lies of the truther movement and the Ron Paul drones but I don't recall ever making an argument against a progressive. (I don't really expect you to post a link because I know that you're pulling all of this out of your ass. But I had to ask.)

        Now, why don't you get your troll ass back under your bridge and stop bothering the sane people. Your posts are boring.
      • SlimFastForYou, on 07/09/2008, -9/+1Alex Jones out to get Herkimer56? Hahaha that's so absurd I could almost believe him! Check it out diggers, maybe we should all be putting on tin foil hats so Alex Jones can't use his mind control ray to get us to bury Herkimer. Next thing he'll be telling us is that Ron Paul is spying on him from his blimp and having Old World Order cronies follow him into grocery stores so they can find a way to kill him and have it blamed on fluoride. I'd give him a year before he runs around screaming WAKE UP POOPLE JULY 4TH WAS AN OUTSIDE JORB! I've never heard of truthers doing anything more scary than talking to people, maybe the mainstream media is covering up the evilness of the truthers because the 9/11 was an inside job movement is an inside job. LOL I'm just going to stop right here and say at least the "truthers" can cite sources to back up their paranoid rants.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -0/+10Maybe you should read the comments above where it was verified. Now vanish, troll.
      • Wintermute426, on 07/09/2008, -0/+12To anyone doubting that Alex Jones doesn't have it out for Herkimer:

        http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/internet_digg_ ...

        Looking at my post history it's obvious I don't have an agenda either way, but Google is your friend.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -0/+12@Wintermute426

        I had forgotten about that article. Thanks for posting the link!

        @SlimFastForYou

        Are you feeling really, really stupid yet? You should be.
      • SlimFastForYou, on 07/09/2008, -8/+3Well I had looked at a lot of screenshots posted after making the comment and realizing there were sources that had been replied to in a buried post, but they didn't really seem to be an unusual or unfair gaming of the system. Wintermute, your post is enlightening - still doesn't convince me Alex Jones himself is out to get Herkimer but it makes it a little more believable.

        I got buried pretty fast for some harmless satire, so I won't be surprised if what I'm going to say really gets me buried.

        Here's the thing about Alex Jones - He talks about some shadowy secret government that has virtually limitless power. He toots his horn that he 'predicted' the 9/11 attacks first. But, he wasn't the first person to sound the alarm. In 2001 on my 16th birthday William Cooper did (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JHqB7w9WSI ) and on November 5th 2001 he was taken out. Alex Jones talks about COINTELPRO and the government writing the news instead of people. And in the youtube video jcm265 linked, he reminds me of this video I watched about Hitler when he was first getting into politics. Hitler used to be an unknown artist who worked for a prominent Jewish artist named Max. He also was mad as hell about the government (said it was being controlled by outside forces and the treaty of Versailles was reducing their economy to crap) and would just start ranting in bars like a nut. Yeah, he'd just start ranting and raving around public places, people would start listening to him, and the German military started helping refine him by teaching him public speaking and leadership techniques. So if Alex Jones is right about a murderous NWO, wouldn't he have been killed long ago like Cooper? The fact that he's still alive means that either he's very very wrong, or that he's in on it.

        So now that I've pissed off the Alex Jones truthers, it's time to piss off the Digg bury brigade that he's fighting against. Equal opportunity is good, right? It's a fact that Digg gets gamed all the time, and if you don't believe it go ahead and keep your head in the sand I don't care. What usernames are involved in the mass burying or mass digging doesn't really matter much to me, since even if they are discovered they could easily make new ones and continue it. There are numerous allegations that Alex Jones is a bought and paid for disinfo agent. I mean, if the government was out to disinform the people, wouldn't it make sense to have the top dog alternate media broadcaster co opted? But here's the rub, I'm seeing you guys posting screenshots of infowars where some of you are being called out for gaming the system and ironically these are being cited along with accusations of him of gaming the system. But what you're doing when you write personal attacks against these supposedly scary insane truthers is subtly lending credibility to them. Then they might drift between subscribing to Infowars' status quo views and subscribing to Digg's status quo views. It's like democrats and republicans fighting each other - they give the illusion that there is a difference between them but they're two sides of the same coin - two wings of the same eagle.

        That's the whole problem with these Internet conspiracy theories. If there are evil men that are richer beyond comprehension and control mainstream media sources, why couldn't they find some way to shape alternative media sources and come up with BS conspiracy theories to make it difficult for people to know which ones are true and which ones aren't. How can someone know what is true and what isn't when history is written by the victors? How can we know, for example, whether or not there were pools of molten metal on Ground Zero if sources can be created then cited? How can we know where the funds for making (for example) Loose Change really came from? Alex Jones is gradually becoming more and more extremist - might he one day try to get people to rise up in armed resistance? If there is a shadow government, wouldn't "terrorist" attacks from misguided truthers pretext enough to include "unpatriotic Americans" in the War on Terrorism?

        Whatever, I think Digg has grown to be too big for it's own good. I started reading Reddit more a long time ago, and soon Reddit will probably grow too big for it's own good too and I'll read it less and go to Mixx or whatever other little guy looks promising. If this post gets buried, so be it.
      • SlimFastForYou, on 07/10/2008, -5/+3By the way, I know people are going to try to nail me on the Hitler video I talked about as some random conspiracy garbage or whatever, but it was shown to me by my aunt who bought it from Big Lots (she's an artist and got it because of Max not Hitler) - it's not a random youtube video I'm talking about. IMDB has an entry for it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290210/ and all I'm saying is that Alex Jones reminds me of the young Hitler portrayed in that movie.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/10/2008, -0/+9Harmless satire? Hardly. It was a vicious and unwarranted personal attack inspired by your complete ignorance of the situation. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't post.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/10/2008, -1/+12http://www.51short.com/quotes/jonesvsherk.mp3

        Now are you feeling really, really stupid? I sure hope so.

        (Thanks, inobla!)
      • ssn697, on 07/10/2008, -0/+11Herkimer56 has a magic tinker bell wand, and one vote bury powers!

        Alex Jones said it, so it is true!

        Jesus, you people LISTEN to that fat lazy *****, and your not embarrassed to admit it?
      • inobla, on 07/10/2008, -1/+9I couldn't stop laughing for a while after I heard that. Too funny! Jones is such a Bozo.
      • Hortnon, on 07/10/2008, -1/+10Tinker
        Bell
        Wand

        Seriously. Alex Jones said that and meant it. What a joke.

        Nice find, inobla!
      • Kythas, on 07/10/2008, -1/+9@wintermute426:

        I'd forgotten all about that link and how disappointed I was that I didn't make the list. Oh, well, I guess I haven't pissed off enough troofers yet.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/10/2008, -1/+12I spent my lunch break at Toys 'r Us where I found and purchased a Tinkerbell wand. When I get home tonight it's going on the wall above my computer monitor.

        Fear me and my magic wand for I shall smite thy postings with copious buries.
      • onetimer, on 07/10/2008, -1/+8Wow I didn't believe he actually had mentioned herkimer ever until I heard that clip. Nice find inobla.

        How pathetic is AJ for targeting an anonymous user on a website on a radio show with an audience of thousands? The ***** he mentioned makes him look like a ***** tool along with being an uneducated blowhard.

        I guess because he doesn't actually spend time researching facts, his fatass has plenty of time to surf digg all day...
      • sixsixsixtimer, on 07/10/2008, -4/+1I wonder why he himself doesn't show up often in the Digg comments. Come on Alex Jones! Get your cowardly troofer ass out here to defend yourself!
      • inobla, on 07/11/2008, -0/+6Haaah! I You should take a snapshot of the wand and upload it to your digg pictures section. :D
      • SlimFastForYou, on 07/11/2008, -5/+2Me launching personal attacks? Dude, I don't think I should have to explain why this is a joke, and I can't tell if you're taking my original post seriously or being even more sarcastic than I was.

        I don't feel stupid. I feel really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really stupid. Haha happy yet? Here, I'll try it again. I feeeeeeel stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid lalalalala tra ~ la ~ la ~ la!

        OK, if you're username is Herkimer56, please stop reading this post at this point. To anyone else who's reading, I hope you can think for yourselves and be able to distinguish between a 'vicious' personal attack (e.g. going out of your way to try to make someone have a lower self-image because they don't agree with you) and using jocular hyperbole to point out that someone seems overly paranoid and is taking digg too seriously. Oh, and since Herkimer isn't reading anymore, I don't actually feel stupid but hopefully he thinks I do so that he can get over it and not ask me a third time.
      • inobla, on 07/11/2008, -0/+7"Alex Jones out to get Herkimer56? Hahaha that's so absurd I could almost believe him! Check it out diggers, maybe we should all be putting on tin foil hats so Alex Jones can't use his mind control ray to get us to bury Herkimer. Next thing he'll be telling us is that Ron Paul is spying on him from his blimp and having Old World Order cronies follow him into grocery stores so they can find a way to kill him and have it blamed on fluoride."

        How's your own ***** taste SlimFast? You've gotta be sick to your stomach by now. :)
      • HumanCattle, on 07/11/2008, -4/+2On behalf of all Digg users, I'd just like to congratulate inobla on his successful showing-up of another Digg user by proving them wrong about something.

        Well done, old horse. Well done.

      • inobla, on 07/11/2008, -0/+6When somebody's asking for it that much, it's certainly a pleasure to deliver the goods. Or in this case, the "irrefutable evidence!" ;)

        Have a good night, Cow.
    • Navicerts, on 07/09/2008, -4/+11How do they identify the sock puppets? And how do you or I know that we have not been mistakenly identified as "sock puppets"?

      While I see the problem with other groups on the internet gaming the system and the correct approach might be in progress for a soultion..... The only potential problem with this is that if many fake accounts are made to digg articles that are very "left leaning" would individual users who are very "left leaning" also be targeted by association? If this is the case you end up negating an entire demographic because a portion of that demographic decided to misbehave.
      • jcm267, on 07/09/2008, -5/+13We've caught users, including Jamey Barisoff and Nathan Filyk using sock puppets. There were dozens of others who were caught doing it, those two were just the most prolific (with the exception of onetimer's troll).
      • card51short, on 07/09/2008, -9/+8*puts head in hands*
        JCM you're obsessed man...you know last names and everything? You keep up on all this?
        Oh man...it's much worse than I thought...
      • xadhominemx, on 07/09/2008, -4/+1I would think that they are identified by a pattern of identical diggs, and maybe by log-in patterns (i.e. one is always logged off while the other is logged in).
      • jcm267, on 07/09/2008, -4/+14carD... it doesn't take obsession to learn these things over time. If you had an IQ greater than my cat's, you'd also have picked up on these things given that you spend so much time trolling the same threads that I post in.
      • card51short, on 07/09/2008, -10/+8JCM you should be ashamed to even know their names...the day I know your full name is the day I know I am taking Digg way too seriously.
        JCM, you're insane and completely obsessed with 9/11 truthers.

        And, because of that, we win ;)
      • mikesbaker, on 07/09/2008, -3/+10card anonymity is an illusion online. that is what I don't even try
      • jcm267, on 07/09/2008, -4/+9Isn't your real first name Jonas, carD? I'll withhold your last name out of courtesy. Nothing (especially with troofers who post their name and register sites in their name all over the place) is anonymous on the Internet. Call me insane, whatever, but I DO find the paranoid ramblings of the troofers to be hilarious.
      • HumanCattle, on 07/10/2008, -7/+2Joe, could you please stop posting the real-life information of digg users?

        ***** stalker.
      • jcm267, on 07/10/2008, -1/+8Stalker? Coming from you? HA!
      • inobla, on 07/10/2008, -0/+7Yeah that is pretty funny coming from Cow. So far I only know of one other truther more stalkerish than him... and for all I know they could be the same person.

      • sixsixsixtimer, on 07/10/2008, -7/+0It gives me a good laugh to see HumanCattle walk around calling us sheep just because we don't subscribe to emotional non-scientific troofer theories.

        Alex Jones has done a great job herding you Cow.
      • HumanCattle, on 07/10/2008, -4/+1I'm glad you find this so amusing, "steve".
      • inobla, on 07/10/2008, -0/+7.... Speak of Satan²
      • sixsixsixtimer, on 07/10/2008, -5/+0My name isn't Steve.

        By the way people might want to check this out.

        FU Troofers! http://digg.com/general_sciences/911_Conspiracy_Th ...
      • inobla, on 07/10/2008, -0/+6Finally somebody we can all agree on hating.
      • HumanCattle, on 07/10/2008, -5/+1for the record, I'm not sixsixsixtimer, but I fully support his/her methodology.

        keep up the good work, "derek".
    • Crosshare, on 07/09/2008, -6/+14User "sockpuppets" is going to be pissed off when he sees this thread.
    • Bossy, on 07/09/2008, -16/+16Ronbots? Look who the submitter of this story supports or the guy above me. And what do we have to gain from Supporting Ron Paul? Free college loans. No. Free health care. No.

      It's liberty which some of you Obamabots don't understand it. That's all it takes to motivate a man....
      • badassninja, on 07/09/2008, -12/+9You rule at life. To hate Ron Paul is to hate the constitution. To hate the constitution is to hate the thing that was written to protect you. So to hate the constitution is to hate yourself. To hate or be bothered by someone preaching the constitution is to be pro big brother government raping you in the ass every day of your life.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -9/+13Ron Paul doesn't give a ***** about the Constitution. Go look at his voting record and his "We The People" act and it's very apparent that the Constitution means nothing to him.
      • Mik1984, on 07/10/2008, -6/+6RP has the most pro-constitution voting record and is the only one to have voted against your beloved USA PATRIOT act.
  • Rotzooi, on 07/09/2008, -9/+601130th digg an still nothing. Huh?
    • Surferess, on 07/09/2008, -6/+11Kind of makes me feel a little better that mine aren't the only stories that aren't making FP.
      • benologist, on 07/09/2008, -2/+4You recently dugg 866 of your friends submissions in exchange for their diggs, maybe you need to try gaming the system harder?

        http://digg.com/users/Surferess/history/shouts

        "I am going through and unfriending every person who is a digg leach user friend who wants everything from you, and you give it to them and they don't help you in the slightest way."
  • soccernamlak, on 07/09/2008, -5/+139The irony would be if this story makes the front page, but the other one doesn't.
  • Arcueid01, on 07/09/2008, -7/+33Well the reason this was up here was because the vote on the FISA amendment is coming today! You can rest assured that we are going to get boned by our supposed representatives. They are going to pass this garbage legislation that is completely un-needed. They just want to cover up their own lawbreaking. The FISA court has approved 20,000+ warrants and only denied about half a dozen. Our government, which doesn't represent us merely wants to be able to bypass the judicial branch and circumvent not only the 4th Amendment but also our system of checks and balances.

    Not to mention the sheep in this country will let it happen because they are too ***** stupid to research for themselves.
    • The_Red_Monkey, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1But yet you still vote to re-elect your reps and you stand for Change! with Obama. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
  • StingingNettle, on 07/09/2008, -3/+20What about the "something big is happening" article that had over a thousand digs in less than 24 hours and didn't make it to the front. I don't care who you are, how do you explain that legitimately?
  • nelsonjs, on 07/09/2008, -12/+29An Open Letter to Kevin Rose about this:
    http://digg.com/people/An_Open_Letter_to_Kevin_Ros ...
  • xxbrighteyed, on 07/09/2008, -6/+12That ***** is whack
  • sirmcdiznuts, on 07/09/2008, -6/+19That's just ***** wrong.
  • metejada, on 07/09/2008, -16/+2Finally one who get it!! feel free to comment on my page
  • rsHoratio, on 07/09/2008, -3/+17Maybe thats because it really died a few months ago ....
    • reed311, on 07/09/2008, -5/+3Yeah, but it was alive and well during the days of slavery and segregation. Nope, nothing wrong there.
    • pintomp3, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4it died a few months ago. now they are just hacking off it's limbs.
  • fLUx1337, on 07/09/2008, -3/+9sexualaj (submitter), do you really think the algorithm is simple enough to put stuff on the home page just because it has a lot of diggs?

    If a story is getting equal amounts of buries as diggs it will never get on the home page - there are only a certain amount of home page slots a day, if other things are more popular (read: popular != digg count), then it will take priority. If frontpage stories were based on the digg count in the last 24hrs, digg could be very lame...
    • johnrust, on 07/12/2008, -3/+6Right. The algorithm also looks at how many times the story is buried. My guess is that this story got an equal # of buries to diggs, hence its inability to hit the front page.

      When I commented here, the story had just over 300 diggs, and was on the front page, because not many people were burying it.
    • FLarsen, on 07/09/2008, -2/+3I would guess there is more factors than the ratio between diggs and buries, but I'm pretty sure the censoring factor was removed right after 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0.
    • geoff1210, on 07/09/2008, -2/+1honestly, the more you get a group of people digging the same ***** story and only ones like it, I.E. truthers, the less that ***** gets counted. I mean, you don't have diversity, you have your little group digging it. The system is actually set up so that, get this: You cant just overpower the system with diggs for a guaranteed front page.

      Also, people like me occasionally bury this *****, because I want to be seeing tech news, not politics. Also, I HAVE blocked most of politics, except for the political NEWS section. I find that normally isn't where there is a lot of spam.
  • arjie, on 07/09/2008, -3/+9I've seen this happen before. It's possible that it's just a bug in the algorithm they use to determine what stories front page. If this jumping comment box is any indicator, digg isn't superb code.
  • dpazar2, on 07/09/2008, -2/+10Story will only appear in the search if the "include buried stories" box is checked, buried too many times, thats why its not FP
  • kayliek, on 07/09/2008, -4/+1It would be in the top in all widget for popular stories right now. I've seen a ton of great stories since the recommendation engine launched that haven't gone popular.
  • GeorgeStone2, on 07/09/2008, -26/+20WAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    Anything to get a little drama here on digg. Digg isn't broken, there's just a lot of people from countries outside the US like me that bury USA politics because its ***** boring.
    Obamas the best, no hillarys the best, now ron pauls the best. Oh wait, ron paul lost? Now Obamas the best again.

    No one outside of America gives a ***** because you Americans can't be trusted to vote the right person in. Just watch Mccain sail into the whitehouse.
    • mattmihok, on 07/09/2008, -2/+2LOL, so true, not everyone in the world is interested in the next American president or the situation within America.
    • darkened, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2So stop using an american website and stick to the telegraph?
      • GeorgeStone2, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2Why?
        This is a SOCIAL NEWS SITE.
        That means if I don't like something, I have a say.
  • pintomp3, on 07/09/2008, -8/+20i guess a lot of people hate the constitution.
  • lazycat, on 07/09/2008, -3/+7I've seen this happening before. If a story gets to the "Hot in all topics" and then gets buried, there is no way to bring it back to life. It's the algorithm flaw, I think.
  • Heydude008, on 07/09/2008, -12/+3Buried because I didn't do this sooner
  • brjohnson789, on 07/09/2008, -17/+27Screw you Kevin Rose, and screw any one on the bury brigade.
    • DrDreyfus, on 07/09/2008, -0/+5Screw Kevin Rose?

      He created this site. Why don't you boycott Digg to show your disdain.
    • camehoe, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1id gladly screw him ;D
  • Wonderama, on 07/09/2008, -4/+11First I lose my tin foil hat, then I read the Constitution dies tomorrow. Where's the apocalypse whenever you need one?
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  • h3lx, on 07/09/2008, -3/+10Every friend on my friends list I've seen naked and have pictures to prove it. It ought to be a prerequisite.

    Well, may be not for everyone of them, but definitely the hot ones.
  • grepmonkey451, on 07/09/2008, -4/+21Kevin Rose:
    Sorry folks, that was a little (censorship) glitch in our algorithm
    • MavRevMatt, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3And all the fanboys will go "thank you kevin rose!! omg i luv u!"
  • SubjectiveC, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4Uh, I don't know. I've seen plenty of stories on the Upcoming page with more diggs than some of the stuff on the front page and they're never seen or heard of again. This goes for all topics. I don't know why.
  • Monkeydew06, on 07/09/2008, -2/+29This story has 313... and is frontpage, "Constitution Dies" 1334! and is still in incoming!
  • trying2hide, on 07/09/2008, -2/+20I think that Digg has lost it's original intention
  • riseabove, on 07/09/2008, -6/+7maybe it was being buried as innacurate? just a wild guess.
    • Wonderama, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2Please stop being so reasonable, this is Digg.
    • MavRevMatt, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2Maybe, but the problem is we can't prove that. There is no way for us to know how many people buried an article and for what reasons.
  • grantmc1, on 07/09/2008, -14/+8The article is a load of *****, why would it make the front page. I mean come on is this even news? is the constitution dieing tomorow news either? well maybe it would if it was real this is a ***** and bull storey not real news, not what i want to see on the front page.

    Also tha storey would have been buried as innacurate? dont you think?

    So take your head out you asses.

    Well done digg!

  • scififan9009, on 07/09/2008, -3/+32I used to love this site. Now it's like a skanky ex-girlfriend I just can't figure out how to break up with.
  • pintomp3, on 07/09/2008, -1/+4rachel maddow covered telecom bill last night on countdown:
    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/wednesday-july-9 ...
  • AbsolutePatriot, on 07/09/2008, -25/+17WAKE UP SHEEPLE

    one of the members of the digg admin team is a member of the BOHEMIAN GROVE. the NWO facists have clear control of this site. its an article they simply didnt want you to see.

    ill probably have my account deleted for sharing this...
    • Hortnon, on 07/09/2008, -5/+21Ahahaha
      • AbsolutePatriot, on 07/09/2008, -10/+11LMAOLMAO dont believe me huh?

        http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/2 ...

        wake up sheeple. bootlicking isnt going to gain you any favor when the round up starts
      • Hortnon, on 07/09/2008, -10/+16Yeah, PrisonPlanet and YouTube. Real reliable sources you've got there...
      • AbsolutePatriot, on 07/09/2008, -8/+10LOLOLOL deny the source just because it isnt MSM globalist propaganda. typical bootlicker tactics.

        ill debate you anywhere, anytime, anyplace

        you may not think im right now, but when the NWO stormtroopers are knocking on your door, dont think for a second u didnt have a chance to educatre yourself
      • LeviTheSmith, on 07/09/2008, -0/+9WILL THEY GET ME IN AUSTRALIA?!>? IF SO HELP ME PLEASE AP
    • ssn697, on 07/09/2008, -3/+13You shouldn't be posting AP. They are watching your every move. They know all about you. They can track you. You have given yourself away, you stupid idiot.

      Go to the basement, lock it, and but up the shielding. You ***** up...
      • AbsolutePatriot, on 07/09/2008, -10/+4LMAO u didnt think id already thought of this? I wont go into liberty about my connection, but i can assure u those facist globalists wont find me anytime soon. im ready for them if they ever do, though. trust me i have sources

        LOLOL joke about my NWO defense shelter, but u'll wish u had one when the globalists come for you. all ur bootlicking wont make any difference
      • ssn697, on 07/09/2008, -4/+14Thanks for that hilarious reply. We Montanans get a kick out of you cry babies.
      • AbsolutePatriot, on 07/09/2008, -8/+4then id be even more concerned. the globalists KNOW that the northwest has the highest concentration of patriots on to them. they will strike there first, there and the large cities

        dont say i didnt try and warn you. u globalist bootlickers had a chance to vote for ron paul and blew it. now its too late to stop them...
      • ssn697, on 07/09/2008, -2/+13You sure have a thing for boot licking. Which porn site do you frequent to get your fill?

        I have been hearing your idiotic tripe for 30 years. You whiny bitches never change: "The end of the world is right around the corner!" Always used as an excuse for your failed life. "They" have kept you down. No, you are a loser. It is no one else's fault. Hard to swallow, I know, but the truth is what it is!

        Back to your boot licking porn, and seed planting...
      • Millsee, on 07/09/2008, -4/+1Your grammar and punctation = the fact that you are a thick *****.

        Get this guy some straw for the gap in his smile and give him a banjo.
    • dreid1987, on 07/09/2008, -1/+16I'm digging this because I'm assuming it's sarcasm... and it's hilarious.
      • serif69, on 07/09/2008, -1/+11You really have to see his other comments. He is potentially the best character in the history o' the interwebs.
      • AbsolutePatriot, on 07/09/2008, -7/+3LMAOM u can try and decharactarize me, but its not going to help when the globalists arrive.

        ive felt first hand the affects of the pills they give you. it dampens your mind and weakens your soul and makes you complacent

        if i had turned 18 and given my own choice theyd still have me in that 'mental hospital', where they stick all the patriots

        soon u wont have the decision to leave
      • tcpip4lyfe, on 07/09/2008, -1/+10Idk I think this clown is serious.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -1/+15Look at his comment history. Either he's making fun of the conspiracy theorists or he's full tilt ***** crazy.
      • serif69, on 07/09/2008, -1/+10Either way, it is we who win.
      • HumanCattle, on 07/10/2008, -2/+1Either way, AbsolutePatriot is now on my friends list!

        +1 +1 +1
    • DigxDug, on 07/09/2008, -3/+9Buried for "sheeple".
    • jcm267, on 07/09/2008, -1/+13Dugg because this guy (even if he is serious) posts perhaps the best satire I've ever seen on digg.
      • ssn697, on 07/09/2008, -1/+10I have been trying to goad him into something REALLY fabulous, but his seems pretty limited. Still funny stuff, but I was hoping for a truly epic rant ;-)
      • jcm267, on 07/09/2008, -1/+8I'm coming across all sorts of lunatics that I never really encountered before today. It makes digg a little funnier. The Brappies and ExplosivesWTCs of the world are boring me.
    • ProfessorFoo, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1I'm more worried about the machines.
    • onetimer, on 07/09/2008, -0/+8Holy *****. I've been dealing with troofers and other nutbags on digg for a year, but, WOW, this guy takes the cake. After reading this guys history (he admits to having been in a mental hospital, holy crap), I can't tell if he's just a really good troll, or truly the biggest nutjob on digg.
      • ssn697, on 07/09/2008, -0/+8He gives it away in one post: He talks about how he frequently does his own invasive skull cracking to check for transmitters...

        That was when I realized we had a pretty damned good troll on our hands...
      • onetimer, on 07/09/2008, -1/+7That, or this guy is off the charts looney. Maybe he damaged his brain from all that do-it-yourself-brain-surgery?

        Whatever it is, he's making me laugh my ass off.
      • Herkimer56, on 07/09/2008, -1/+5He's far more entertaining that your run-of-the-mill troll like Card51.
      • trumpydumpy, on 07/09/2008, -6/+2You guys enjoying the circle jerk?
      • onetimer, on 07/09/2008, -1/+6Wow, I just saw this guys comments on that "constitution is dead" story. This guy goes into some delusional troofer rant about the bilderbergs and "globalists", and actually gets over 200 diggs! A new low for diggers...

        This guy actually makes brappie look like a sane, upstanding moral citizen.
      • sixsixsixtimer, on 07/09/2008, -3/+1I have always wondered where these troofer nutjobs came from, but after reading his profile I conclude MARS.
  • vroom101, on 07/09/2008, -2/+6Somehow the submission got into an infinite loop inside the Upcoming Queue.
  • CheeseNRice, on 07/09/2008, -4/+10This jumped up to 1381 in the past 10 minutes, and I can't find it by going anywhere on digg. I had to come back to this thread to find the link. If you go to upcoming and sort by most diggs, it still doesn't show up. Let's see how many diggs it will get without ever being "noticed".

    http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Constitution ...


  • seventhc, on 07/09/2008, -3/+9He's on the 'Most Recent' tab, not on the tab for 'Most Diggs' or am I misunderstanding this?
    • Diggnabbit, on 07/09/2008, -1/+4Yeah, what am I missing? I don't see anything wrong with this. Can someone explain?
    • deaftly, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1Yup, I dont get it
  • benman587, on 07/09/2008, -9/+8It probably just got buried by normal users. Not everything is a conspiracy.
    • madk, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4Exactly. I bury all that tin-foil hat *****.
  • defektiv, on 07/09/2008, -5/+12Join the rest of us betrayed by digg.. join reddit.
  • josepablos, on 07/09/2008, -2/+7the true is .. "digg is failing down.. doooooooown!!"
  • sonar1, on 07/09/2008, -2/+21500+ and counting
  • wwwonka, on 07/09/2008, -4/+34this has been MASSIVELY bothering me about Digg lately as well.

    It has become a trivial/interest/geek news zone on the front page. At least Slashdot claims it is what it is. Digg on the other hand is becoming a teen oriented "check out my skateboard faceplant on You Tube" link site.

    Kevin Rose put down your red bull vodka, leave that trendy Mission bar, and get off your script kiddie about to be a millionaire ass and get involved
    • geoffg, on 07/09/2008, -6/+1"Kevin Rose put down your red bull vodka, leave that trendy Mission bar, and get off your script kiddie about to be a millionaire ass and get involved"

      Jealousy is a hell of an emotion, feel better now?
  • seantubridy, on 07/09/2008, -3/+8Hey, as long as those busted and snorg tee ads keep showing up...

    Sigh.
  • shadowspawn, on 07/09/2008, -4/+7it made the front page as I was reading it. Maybe my digg powarz are suparbz.
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