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- duckley, on 09/27/2008, -12/+122(continuing from the article)...
... Sixty-eight percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-one percent think McCain would.
Forty-nine percent of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. Fifty-five percent think McCain would.- aereaus, on 09/27/2008, -75/+4So.... what's your point? You cut and pasted and got Diggs? What's your view duckley? For or against?
Here's mine.
Obama FTW!- FTWmovin2canada, on 09/27/2008, -1/+11From the details behind the poll: "McCain saw less improvement in his image. 32% have improved their image of McCain as a result of the debate, but 21% said their views of him are now worse than before."
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/2008Debate1.pdf - Spuy767, on 09/27/2008, -1/+2This only works on Obama articles.
- rogue780, on 09/27/2008, -16/+3Obama FTL!
- aereaus, on 09/27/2008, -17/+2I got slammed because I pointed out the obvious? Well I guess this is why America is in the toilet, because people don't take the time to read. They just click. Sheep.
- FTWmovin2canada, on 09/27/2008, -0/+9@aereaus: You got buried because you complained about a FTA quote and then complained that the comment did not contain an opinion.
- FTWmovin2canada, on 09/27/2008, -1/+11From the details behind the poll: "McCain saw less improvement in his image. 32% have improved their image of McCain as a result of the debate, but 21% said their views of him are now worse than before."
- duckley, on 09/27/2008, -7/+50Just check my Record in digg.
I am 100% for Obama. I donate. I volunteer. I blog.
I could care less about Digg points, thanks.- theaceoffire, on 09/27/2008, -2/+37>.< I am only 89%.
What tips can you give me to help reach that extra 11%?
I have been trying Obama crunches, Obama lifts, even Obama ups, and nothing helps... - throop77, on 09/27/2008, -2/+6I'll probably vote Obama. I have a question for you though. You support giving billions to wallstreet? You support the patriot act? You support telecom immunity? I am really trying to figure out the meaning of those positions.
- Tomchei, on 09/27/2008, -12/+6throop77,
That's exactly why I'm not voting for either one. They are essentially the same and the media is portraying a horse race.
Doesn't matter who, -we are going to pay for this bailout
-we are going to continue to pay for Iraq for at least 4 more years (4 for Obama, 4+ for McCain)
-we are going to pay for government growth when we should be cutting (I do feel Obama is probably better for cutting here though but at the cost of just not cutting but shifting the growth elsewhere)
-we are criminals first
We taxpayers are *****.
One agency that could be cut is the TSA. They haven't caught anybody and people are complacent that they feel we need them where all they do is slow down transportation.
If we're going to keep the TSA, keep them for international flights.
Are you aware that Osama Bin Laden is not a priority with this government?
He's lumped into the FBI's most wanted but, not for masterminding 9/11 (if he even did that) but for the embassy bombings in 1998 .
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.h ...
My wife is a tax accountant and a new tax law that is effective next year is for international workers.
This won't affect the most of you and you probably won't care or get it but now, if you work in Canada or France or anywhere outside the US, your wages will be taxed for the host country and the same gross will be subject to US income tax as well if you are a US citizen so you get taxed twice. - Zarchon, on 09/27/2008, -2/+7Tomchei, I get Dugg down every time I call someone a nut but you are a nut.
We are criminals first?
Obama is more likely to make tax cuts? - Tomchei, on 09/27/2008, -2/+2Zarcohn,
I didn't say Obama would make tax cuts. Quote
"-we are going to pay for government growth when we should be cutting (I do feel Obama is probably better for cutting here though but at the cost of just not cutting but shifting the growth elsewhere)"
To repeat, Obama has the advantage to cut SPENDING, not taxes. But the flaw is the current spending will be offset to other spending.
McCain wants to create a mortgage agency for the 28% of the people that defaulted on loans in the past 5 years.
I get dugg down for this because people don't really care or understand what is really going on.
People just want VH1, E!, movies, and football. - OrangeTide, on 09/27/2008, -9/+3I consider people who vote for Obama or McCain as part of the problem.
- duckley, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5"you support giving billions to Wall Street"
1) Most of it will be essentially loans, which we will get back
2) If credit locks up badly, your job will go, along with millions of others, and 10 milliion people will be starving in America by summer - nmezib, on 09/27/2008, -2/+2@theaceoffire;
you should consider having "Obama O's" as part of your well-balanced breakfast - fungalboom, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1@orangetide: people who don't think things can get better are part of the problem. If you don't care who wins, then you probably don't think things can get better. Go to your little uneffected corner, and let the world try to move on
- thaddeusj, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3Tomchei: You get dugg down because your sentences are lexically confusing. I read both your posts a couple of times and could not figure out what you were saying about spending or tax cuts.
Oh and beer, I want beer too. - smurfsahoy, on 09/28/2008, -0/+3Billions to wall street? Yes - I don't particularly want to be living in Great Depression #2, thanks. And we get most of the money right back again later.
Patriot act? No - but Obama and other Democrats only voted on this to push through some compromises that made it not AS bad, in exchange for, for instance, not filibustering. This was BEFORE Dem majority in Congress, if you'll recall. He's not in support of most of the things in the bill.
Telecom immunity? No - but this is a retarded reason to just not vote. It really has no effect on our lives and is just an idealistic talking point. It's one tiny part of domestic policy that happens to not particularly matter.
Besides, people keep dredging up these two homeland security issues, at least one of which isn't even something Obama supported in spirit, as if there are no other issues in this election.
HELLO!! I think you're forgetting about a few little things. Like, I don't know... diplomacy, the economy, taxes, free trade, labor, healthcare, energy, the environment, immigration, education, SS, abortion, gun control gay rights, court justices, ........
To not vote is to abandon all of these problems, on which the candidates are wildly different in their positions.
- theaceoffire, on 09/27/2008, -2/+37>.< I am only 89%.
- netneutrality, on 09/27/2008, -6/+12In this irritatingly narrow blog that merely summarizes the other poll results page that it links to, they missed out reporting one of the other numbers (watch the video). Voters were asked if they thought each candidate was ready for the job of President (numbers add up to more than 100%):
Before the debate:
79% said McCain, 45% said Obama.
After the debate:
78% said McCain, 58% said Obama.
I assumed McCain's very extensive foreign policy experience would sail him through the debate, since this was what half the debate was about, but he actually dropped a tiny amount after the debate, whereas Obama went up significantly (and this was among uncommitted voters). But only about 1/4 of those polled said they had actually made up their mind as to who to vote for, despite 63% reckoning that one or other candidate had "won" the debate.- fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2being ready, not "more ready"
- Aorawn, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5One can believe that both are ready.
- Spuy767, on 09/27/2008, -13/+7A poll of 500 residents of Harlem. . . Polls mean nothing. Look at how wrong exit polls have been in the last few presidential elections.
- Tomchei, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1And polls can be pushed as well. See Frank Luntz.
- fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -0/+11speaking of Frank Luntz, how about his little poll? (forgive the huffington post link, i saw this on fox news and huffpost happened to have the vid)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/debate-re ...
Fox's OWN focus group of independents. Half voted for Bush...half voted for Kerry in 2004. they gave it to Obama.
CBS and CNN's focus groups, gave it to Obama
general polling, gives it to Obama
Fox News' own online poll calls it 50/50. which i think serves as a safe "worse case assessment" of Obama's performance.
attack the messenger is an effective tactic...but that's way too many messengers for 1 man to handle, im afraid. dont get me wrong, you're to point out that this poll is not a good indicator, but taken in the context of all the other numbers it is not far off base it seems. - Dipsomaniac, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6Idiot. It was a representative poll of 500 undecideds, and that is sufficient for a confidence interval of less than 5, at a confidence level of 95%.
- sinrtb, on 09/28/2008, -0/+1though your figures are correct for a locality of high population the fact that all these undecideds lived in the same geographic area creates a bias that is unaccounted for.
- bbtweb, on 09/27/2008, -2/+9"Forty-nine percent of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. Fifty-five percent think McCain would."
Then 49% of America doesn't read. Obama's timeline has been embraced by General Patreaus AND Bush. Stupid old bag doesn't even pay attention.- sinrtb, on 09/28/2008, -0/+151% of America voted for Bush in 2004.
- aereaus, on 09/27/2008, -75/+4So.... what's your point? You cut and pasted and got Diggs? What's your view duckley? For or against?
- muckemuck, on 09/27/2008, -59/+16ah yes, instant polls, and "focus groups". . hmm.. how accurate are they?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFL-LubDF9c- magus_melchior, on 09/27/2008, -5/+23This is just gauging the reaction to the debate among some undecided voters, no more, no less. It's not a projection into November 4.
- muckemuck, on 09/27/2008, -8/+4It's a tool used to sway opinion. No more, no less.
- ace429k, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2well your a jerk! no more, no less.
- muckemuck, on 09/27/2008, -8/+4It's a tool used to sway opinion. No more, no less.
- duckley, on 09/27/2008, -1/+16Yes, yes. Your mileage may vary.
But... Instant responses to debates like these often change momentum and receptiveness of the Independent voters.
The KEY HERE is that this is a poll of UNCOMMITTED voters, those who had not decided yet.
For a breakdown by topic, see MediaCurves.com's report:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/MediaCurves_Poll ...- blinkerbug, on 09/27/2008, -2/+2Did you watch this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
If you did then you know these polls are not meant to measure, but rather are another mechanism used to manipulate voters. - muckemuck, on 09/27/2008, -3/+1Who picked the "UNCOMMITTED" voters that were polled?
Watch the videos I linked to above.
- blinkerbug, on 09/27/2008, -2/+2Did you watch this?
- jusccoj, on 09/27/2008, -5/+6The Question mark: A prophylactic to protect you from anything it might contract during extensive GOP cocksucking?
- with apologies to John Stewart - vbullinger, on 09/27/2008, -2/+6***** you, Frank!
- blinkerbug, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4The people digging you down apparently didn't watch that first video.
- OrangeTide, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2We'll all know the answer when the REAL votes are counted. These games of who might win make no damn sense, except for people who are going to vote based on who they think will win.
Horserace indeed.- TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1I've said it before and I'll say it again:
It doesn't matter who you vote for, what matters is who your voting machine votes for.
- TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1I've said it before and I'll say it again:
- magus_melchior, on 09/27/2008, -5/+23This is just gauging the reaction to the debate among some undecided voters, no more, no less. It's not a projection into November 4.
- duckley, on 09/27/2008, -7/+60Yes, yes. Your mileage may vary.
But... Instant responses to debates like these often change momentum and receptiveness of the Independent voters.
The KEY HERE is that this is a poll of UNCOMMITTED voters, those who had not decided yet.
For a breakdown by EACH of EIGHT TOPICS, see MediaCurves.com's report:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/MediaCurves_Poll ...- fani, on 09/27/2008, -2/+8Here is my take on the debate -
- Obama won a narrow victory
- McCain did well towards the middle/end. Something I did not expect
- Obama had many chances for a kill, but didn't take them
- McCain sounded angry and frustrated and belittled his opponent
- Obama was charming, gracious, eloquent and tried to relate to ordinary people instead of using talking points. He was a gentleman in the debate.
However, I felt both did well and it was not a blood bath that I expected ( with Obama crushing McCain ).
Obama should've said things like -
"glad you could make it to the debate John"
"your spending freeze will kill off things like after-school educational programs. I have 2 daughters who go to school and I don't want that. Cut spending but not at expense of critical things"
"you are belittling me in debate calling me naive, someone who doesn't understand. Is this how you will talk to foreign leaders ? "
"$700 billion bailout # was released just last week. I cannot tell you so soon what all should be cut. That would be a mistake. I need to review with my economics adviser, look at big picture and not do any hasty decision that could affect lives of ordinary Americans"
so many other things....
Obama however won.- didiman, on 09/27/2008, -11/+3Obama also said "I agree with senator McCain" like 10 times. Obama's knowledge and answers were straight from a textbook and prepared statements whereas McCain has actually been to most of the countries discussed, knows the leaders, and other world players. His answers and knowledge came from real experience. McCain was the clear winner.
- twiztidsinz, on 09/27/2008, -3/+13Why is it that the Republicans yell, shout and scream about being non-partisan, and then when a Democrat agrees with them, they say it like its a bad thing?
- fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -2/+13to touch on the angry point...McCain never once looked at Obama...even when it was obvious that Obama was addressing him. he avoided eye contact completely, making it quite obvious that McCain has a disdain for Obama. which is fair. but when you claim to be the man who is gonna reach across party lines to fix this country, you should be able to look your opponent in the face.
McCain was pretentious, and his "what senator obama doesnt seem to understand" lines were almost always unfounded, and (like in the case of "tactics" vs. "strategy") often wrong.
people like McCain start fights, plain and simple. its one thing to be firm and confident, but his demeanor is dangerous, plain and simple.
on the topic at hand, foreign policy, i'd say McCain came across as the winner, even though i think Obama actually has a better stance. McCain did a good job of portraying a genuine grasp of foreign policy. but as a whole, including the economy, im gonna have to agree with the polling...Obama at least matched him. and this was McCain's best subject - Tocc, on 09/27/2008, -1/+7I thought one of the biggest things Obama made was when McCain said you shouldn't openly say your going to attack someone, Pakistan, or something like that. Obama alluded to but didn't really make a big hit with the whole "bomb, bomb, Iran" thing. That would have totally blown away McCain's argument.
- akamurph, on 09/27/2008, -1/+1Yes, and as quoted on another article about the 'independent' results: "It can be reasonably concluded, especially after accounting for the slight Democratic bias in the survey, that we witnessed a tie in Mississippi tonight,"
- fani, on 09/27/2008, -2/+8Here is my take on the debate -
- peheimbach, on 09/27/2008, -4/+73Keep in mind that even if Obama just pulled "draw" this evening -- and the numbers indicate that outcome or better, this is McCain's best "knowledge area." This is the area on which he hammers Obama.
Wins in the next two debates should be both easier and more memorable for Obama.
(Plus -- don't we all watch more "series games" when the series is tied up?)- theaceoffire, on 09/27/2008, -0/+19I am bringing popcorn to the next debate.
Sarah Palin Vs Joe Biden.
Should be good.
On a side note, this debate had *NO* crap about flagpins and *****, or lipstick, etc. It was interesting, asked good questions, and didn't lead the answers... I was impressed.- schoate09, on 09/27/2008, -2/+9It did. McCain wasn't wearing a flagpin.
- dropbox, on 09/27/2008, -0/+10Palin vs. Biden, that's gonna be the true blood bath. I like the way Jack Cafferty put it:
"There's a reason the McCain campaign keeps governor Sarah Palin away from the press...If John McCain wins, this woman will be one 72-year-old's heartbeat away from being President of the United States. And if that doesn't scare the hell out of ya', it should." - Aethirig, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Regrettably, I noticed McCain wasn't wearing a flagpin either. I guess it's true he hates America *shoots self in face.*
- Tegurit34, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1If by "good," you mean inherently lopsided for pure entertainment purposes which will cause me much joy. I am assuming this is what you meant.
- MisteryMeat, on 09/27/2008, -3/+10And in his best knowledge area he keeps going back to the same damn statement: "the surge is working... General Petraeus... the surge is working.... Obama won't admit the surge is working...General Petraeus...". It's almost comical at this point.
- GregFD3S, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3Sixty-six percent of all statistics are made up.
- macweirdo42, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2Exactly - foreign policy was supposed to be McCain's strong point, and even simply tying with Obama on it really takes a lot of the wind out of his sails. Not to mention, I think Obama clearly demonstrated that he's more than capable of handling himself, which really puts a damper on the whole experience question.
- theaceoffire, on 09/27/2008, -0/+19I am bringing popcorn to the next debate.
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 09/27/2008, -12/+147Nice job, Obama.
Obama consistently displayed strong knowledge on foreign policy tonight.
McCain, however, consistently displayed arrogant and condescending contempt for Sen. Obama.
I do hope that Barach punches McCain MUCH harder in the final debate.- nhansen, on 09/27/2008, -4/+53(how do you remember your username?) I agree that Obama kept his cool. I was fuming at McCain's continual condescending attitude and smug "I'm older, I'm wiser, I've been there, I've done that" comments and his over-running of his allotted time. Good on ya Obama for keeping your cool, and simply stating, "that isn't true, I did not say that, and you know I didn't say that" every time McCain kept on plugging stale sound bites that have long been debunked.
- thegsa, on 09/27/2008, -2/+12he probably has firefox remember his username and password
- theaceoffire, on 09/27/2008, -1/+35No, he just knows what it means.
Passwords: 9 sentences, 50 Words, 5 kitchens, 4 Gondolas Under Duress, 2 catching 6.
P9s50W5k4GUD2c6. - betheturtle, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Or;
Password; 9 sick 50 Watts kill 4 Gods Under the Domain of 2 Children aged 6
Damn, that was hard. Props.
- digitalgopher, on 09/27/2008, -2/+36agreed. and this was not only a display of strong knowledge in an area that was supposed to be McCain's home turf, but quite frankly Obama showed how much more presidential he was. Just watching the body language, McCain didn't even bother to acknowledge his opponent with eye contact at any point during the debate. This was a reflection of the personality and demeanor. McCain was there only to attack. I think Obama showed how much more how likely he is able to cross the aisle and work with colleagues on the left and right sides.
- rivsgivsmeshivs, on 09/27/2008, -1/+17I agree with you that he was only there to attack. While Obama kept saying "I agree with you, John, but...". McCain couldn't bring himself to to do that even once. It kinda comes off as being a bad sport.
- cotl, on 09/27/2008, -8/+1I guess you didn't notice Obama stuttering, openly laughing while Senator McCain spoke as well as interrupting him numerous times. It was rude and childish.
- Dipsomaniac, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5Right. Why, you might have thought that McCain was lying about Obama's platforms, and Obama was correcting him.
See, you might have thought that, because that's what was happening. - tyho, on 09/27/2008, -2/+1So a lifetime of voting along party lines is contradicted by one debate in your mind. Whereas McCain has actually brought legislation across party lines in the past, though not always successfully, he has proven the concept. If history is any judge of character, and it is, your point is indefensible and lacks any tangible evidence.
- notanidiot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2cotl, what is more rude? Lying about someone so obviously that you can't look them in the eye all night, or interrupting those lies with some scoffing?
Tyho, Barack hasn't been in the Senate a "lifetime," and especially in the recent past, its been hard to find a good Republican bill to get behind. McCain is able to cross party lines because the Democrats bring up good ideas that one can comfortably get behind. So what if you cross party lines to try to set up a "9/11 Commission?!" Its sad that there was any opposition to that at all. Its not so much "good McCain" as it is "bad other Repubs" who refuse and stonewall such a reasonable idea simply because it originated from their political opponents.
In response to the original comment, McCain may have been trying to attack, but I felt like he was truly more on the defensive. He couldn't even say these things to Obama's face, because Obama was staring him down, like "C'mon John, why don't you look me in the eye, and give me some of that *****."
- mikesoba, on 09/27/2008, -1/+9I also agree. I saw or heard only the foreign policy debate. It appeared McCain refused to look at Obama even as Obama spoke directly to him, and talked over him as Obama was refuting McCain, with McCain's beginning to show some of the anger and condescending tone he is known for. Obama was cool, collected, even tempered, and knowledgeable. But Obama may have agreed with McCain a few too many times. I was surprised, for example, that he did not dispute McCain on the Georgia/Russia conflict. But these numbers seem to reflect that his style and substance appealed to many independents.
I also found McCain's trips down memory lane, recalling every war since Viet Nam (but oddly, not every conflict--leaving out our many interventions in Latin and South America), and a travelogue of every country he stepped foot onto, made him appear to forget the question at hand. - MisteryMeat, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4He's using the demeaning remarks to paint a picture of a young, inexperienced, and naive candidate not ready to serve as president. People watching the debate are not going to remember all the details of their arguments but they do remember these character traits. Keep repeating it enough and people believe it.
- KungFooJesus, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4That's because McCain plays the politics game better than Obama. The republicans have for years. There is a doctrine that they follow that ensures the best result. You saw it for Bush, now you're seeing it for McCain.
1- If you are weak on something, attack your opponent on that subject FIRST and hard
2- Don't worry about discussing the actual topics, one must describe the other candidate in voter's minds. If you constantly talk about how X always likes to rape children, then people will start believing X rapes children. you've just defined him.
It's just Rovian politics, we need to stop being surprised that McCain uses them and learn to recognize them. - voodoosteve84, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2Yeah I thought McCain came across as an ***** several times
- cobainirvana, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2When does he not come across as an *****?
- nhansen, on 09/27/2008, -4/+53(how do you remember your username?) I agree that Obama kept his cool. I was fuming at McCain's continual condescending attitude and smug "I'm older, I'm wiser, I've been there, I've done that" comments and his over-running of his allotted time. Good on ya Obama for keeping your cool, and simply stating, "that isn't true, I did not say that, and you know I didn't say that" every time McCain kept on plugging stale sound bites that have long been debunked.
- Gemfinder, on 09/27/2008, -2/+17And wouldn't you know...my Firefox Digg toolbar just sent this across my screen:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/CBS_Snap_Poll_Ob ... - GMills, on 09/27/2008, -13/+73Obama acted noble and presidential by responding to the answers precisely while all McCain did was avoid the questions and attack Obama...Did anyone else notice how many times McCain blinks during the debate?
- akchrs, on 09/27/2008, -29/+7Obama did nothing but stutter and interrupt. Do you think that's presidential?
- buddhika86, on 09/27/2008, -4/+22Most say Obama stuttering, but what I see is that's his way of speech and I like that. There's one of the best professor in my university that use the same style, and it's cool.
- Brian48216, on 09/27/2008, -2/+26It seems like he's trying to get his thoughts together and actually put together a cohesive answer as opposed to McCain's canned responses.
- pbol01, on 09/27/2008, -2/+15Idiot! Stuttering is a handicap and not to be ridiculed. I'm not sure that Obama is a stutterer, and if he were it wouldn't make him any less qualified. Is McCain unqualified because he can't raise his arms above his head? No of course not. He is unqualified because he's a tool.
- bbtweb, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5"Do you think that's presidential?"
Dumbass...did you happen to count the number of times that Jim wanted to move on to the next lead question and Obama was wrapping up a point and had McCain step all over him? And what did Obama do in just about every instance? He turned to Jim and apologized for McCain's childish behavior and said please continue. I really wished Obama would have kept it going and slammed McCain for his utter bull *****, but Obama obviously conducts himself with much higher integrity. The stupid old bag could learn something from Obama.
- sodade, on 09/27/2008, -3/+7I coined a new nickname for mccain last night - Slippery McShame. Kinda like Tricky Dick
- SpookyPig, on 09/27/2008, -1/+8I was almost distracted by the blinking. Anyone who knows anything about body language knows that McKane had no idea what was going on.
- toxicityj, on 09/27/2008, -2/+4911 times. therefore, john mccain is osama bin ladin.
- millerme, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1To be more specific:
He blinked 9 times in a matter of 11 seconds in 9 segments. 9+1+1=11 therefore he is osama bin ladin. - jwolcott, on 09/27/2008, -3/+2Repeat after me guys, L-A-D-E-N. Osama Bin LADEN.
Thanks. - toxicityj, on 09/27/2008, -2/+2repeat after me- i missed one letter. get over it, ass hat.
- millerme, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1To be more specific:
- Thud, on 09/27/2008, -11/+2Funny, I watched Obama stumble over his answers, attempt to interrupt McCain multiple times, and ramble on and one without actually saying anything.
- fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4please. at least when Obama interrupted he attempted to interject politely, whereas McCain goes blasting into his mic "what are you gonna do tell them no?"
its a ***** debate, people have points to refute. and when your opponent a spewing that much more ***** than you, you tend to want to interrupt more.
- fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4please. at least when Obama interrupted he attempted to interject politely, whereas McCain goes blasting into his mic "what are you gonna do tell them no?"
- pieceofred, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2excessive blinking is a sign of lying.
- tehsilentcircus, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately I noticed this at the very beginning of the debate so I it was not hard to notice throughout the whole debate.
- harrk2, on 09/28/2008, -0/+1How about the fact that he never even looked at Obama?
- akchrs, on 09/27/2008, -29/+7Obama did nothing but stutter and interrupt. Do you think that's presidential?
- msk275, on 09/27/2008, -5/+33To be fair, I didn't see the whole debate, but considering this was McCain's strong suit, I thought it was some what of a tie. Both had decent answers to the questions... but one candidate looked more composed than the other, even when the other had more knowledge in that area. I mean, I'll be honest, I favor Obama in this election and I credit the slight win to him because of that, but if I was an independent, I'd say it was a tie.
For all the haters on Obama, whatever you say really doesn't matter if you can't back it up all that well. And, to throw this on top of the stack, if you haven't watched this, you really should see who is your choice for VP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc- theaceoffire, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6I *loved* this debate, it was all interesting stuff with no fluff questions!
- msk275, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5Yeah, Jim Lehrer didn't dance around anything. He was straight up like: 'You didn't answer the question, be more specific' and 'Look at each other when you speak about each other.' That cause some hilarity when he first brought it up. But McCain just got angry at his podium it seemed. lol
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 09/27/2008, -3/+2I didn't see the whole debate either (and proud of it).
I "TIVO'D" over most of MCain's lines (they're usually lies anyway).
I was surprised at the sheer pleasure I received by digitally shutting McCain up.
TIVO has never been better! - bbtweb, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4WOW, no wonder why she's not allowed on TV. I'm having a debate watching party next thursday to watch palin get obliterated.
- theaceoffire, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6I *loved* this debate, it was all interesting stuff with no fluff questions!
- kingUssop, on 09/27/2008, -6/+17This is great news.
- grahampoor, on 09/27/2008, -7/+27Obama was clear and in depth on the issues so McCain's main attack of "he doesn't get it" were a waste. McCain was running for senate.
- digitalgopher, on 09/27/2008, -7/+69Even in a FOX News Focus Group: Obama Wins Debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wup4nsIWe8A- nihilville, on 09/27/2008, -1/+12Hahaha!
That's awesome!
I guess even Rupert Murdoch can tell which way the wind is blowing! - 5celery, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4thank you for posting this - very revealing
- zazzalicious, on 09/27/2008, -3/+6Interesting clip..... they picked the wrong audience, won't happen again!
;) - twiztidsinz, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4Yeah I agree....
Someone fire that jackass who selected that group and get *****' Frank Luntz back.
- zazzalicious, on 09/27/2008, -3/+6Interesting clip..... they picked the wrong audience, won't happen again!
- EvoPsy, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5In other news, Hell has frozen over.
- GoKings, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6Lol @ when in the beginning he says "How many thought McCain moved you." Then from the back some woman yells out "MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!" Yeah.. She definitely didn't know who she wanted before she came in there.
- nihilville, on 09/27/2008, -1/+12Hahaha!
- cplex, on 09/27/2008, -6/+22Not too shabby at all, considering foreign policy was supposed to be Obama's weak point.
- JPHR, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Conventional wisdom or perception are supposed to have given McCain an edge on Foreign policy.
I live in Europe and have served after the military academy as an officer in one of NATO's armed forces for more than 15 years. I am quite familiar with the fighter pilots archetype. Certainly in McCain' era they were not primarily selected for intellectual qualities (might be an understatement) and he was not even considered for flag officer.
He has the disastrous Bush' spoiled brat/bully approach to foreign policy: "Either you are with us or you are against US".
So he supports that idiot in Georgia ( because Georgia has troops in Iraq but which really has no legitimate claim on Ossetia or you have to go back to before 1921).
McCain quite intentionally snubs longtime NATO ally and also a victim of large scale terror because it withdrew its troops from Iraq and so exposed the moral bankrupt of the US presence in Iraq.
He thoroughly sours the relation with Russia for Georgia, possibly for his Hanoi Hilton experience or for Putin exposing the Neocon wet-dream of a world were the USA can roam at will (http://www.securityconference.de/konferenzen/rede. ...
McCain's: "We are all (paid by?) Georgians now", proved to be the ultimate folly. By now everyone know that the WH spin on this was a "Big Lie" propaganda style, which even Herr Dr Goebbels would be proud of. He stated that Georgia earned US support because it was democratic christian nation. You should ask the opinion of the Georgian opposition on "democratic", but what in hell has being christian to do with that?
McCain does not understand diplomacy. His ideology and aforementioned doctrine sees the world in black and white. He is the 'good' guy with every right to bully or force the evil party. He has no respect for legitimate interest of other parties. If he does not get his way he thinks in terms of military force. He refers to Putin with KGB. That's a ghost from the past. Does he also refer to Bush the elder as CIA? He is deluding himself by associating a bad guy image.
With respect to Iraq he still thinks in terms of winning? What is there to win, because every stated pretext (WMD, link Hussein-Osama, democracy) have either been proved false or an illusion. Get the hell out of there. How is he able to delude himself on this?
McCain's so called experience in nothing more than having been around a long time and extremely poor judgment coupled with erratic behavior.
McCain has still the pilot intercept/kill approach to any conflicts.McCain scares the hell out of me.
So please do the world a favor, you must have some other housing for this veteran than the WH.
- JPHR, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Conventional wisdom or perception are supposed to have given McCain an edge on Foreign policy.
- pimpofpixels, on 09/27/2008, -9/+26That's a relief.
Obama is my Roger Clemens. I expect him to throw a shutout every time out.
I've seen Obama be so good that unless he's historically brilliant I'm disappointed.
I was a little deflated after the debate because I thought Obama would just MOP THE FLOOR with McCain. It was a pretty even match, but in hindsight, even though it didn't meet my expectations, Obama did a pretty good job.
Honestly though, when you've got truth on your side... you SHOULD win the debate.- twiztidsinz, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Please, pick someone other than Roger Clemens to compare Obama to.... Clemens might be a great pitcher, but hes one hell of an ***** in real life.
- userperson, on 09/27/2008, -11/+2Do you KNOW Obama? ... well anyone who wants to steal your money and tell you what to do can't be all good.
Roger Clemens never took ***** from me.
- userperson, on 09/27/2008, -11/+2Do you KNOW Obama? ... well anyone who wants to steal your money and tell you what to do can't be all good.
- twiztidsinz, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Please, pick someone other than Roger Clemens to compare Obama to.... Clemens might be a great pitcher, but hes one hell of an ***** in real life.
- MCA2142, on 09/27/2008, -3/+7Direct link to the Poll report: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/2008Debate1.pdf
- algaeturd, on 09/27/2008, -10/+36I understand the approach but honestly, did Obama have to say that McCain was right 13 times?
Over and over and over and over and over. I know what he's doing...he's trying to acknowledge McCain, agree with him, reach across the aisle as it were, extend an olive branch....BUT
republicans are already making a commercial with those 13 sound bites of Obama saying, "John is right.."
You don't have to play dirty but do you have to be so god damn nice to this guy? I mean McCain wouldn't even look at him or acknowledge him on stage. Why is Obama so eager to jump in his lap?
He NEEDS to toughen up for the next debate. In a big way. I'm 100% for civility (esp. in light of how subhuman the republicans get) but it's time to toughen up on McCain and quit giving him passes. Obama should have called out his 'undying love and support' for veterans. Veterans HATE McCain. By numbers of 80% to Obama and 20% to McCain. Obama knows these numbers. EVERYONE knows them. CALL HIM OUT on ***** lies like this.
I just don't get why he wouldn't. I know McCain is a vet but that doesn't give him a pass to lie about facts in debates.
Ever play Mortal Combat, Obama? Finish this chump off, quit being so agreeable and point it out when he lies. Don't let him guide the topics of the debate and don't chase him. Take control, break it down with facts and call him out when he lies. Finally, get to the point when you're discussing a topic and TALK ABOUT THE current issues.
What? No bringing up unemployment numbers? The failures of the Bush admin that McCain supported over 90% of the time? No talking about the huge support of Bush and McCain with lobbyists and such?
Obama won this one but he pussyfooted this. You CAN be presidential, suave and tough at the same time. That's what I want to see.- Brian48216, on 09/27/2008, -0/+31In my opinion, him not being a consistent dbag is why a lot of people find his appeal as a candidate. He takes a conciliatory tone while making his point.
- normalizer, on 09/27/2008, -3/+9Agreed. I like Obama more than McCain specifically for this very reason, he's classy. Not ready to be president in my opinion so I won't be voting for him, but he is nothing if not classy.
- duckley, on 09/27/2008, -0/+22That was considered by most "uncommitted" voters to be "cross-party" working skills.
And, to be honest, in many cases McCain was right. When Obama was right, often McCain did not agree, and it showed. - nicheplayer, on 09/27/2008, -1/+10Every single instance of Obama saying McCain was right was totally blown away by Obama's major charge that McCain was wrong about Iraq. That was huge. And he repeated it a couple times in succession.
- algaeturd, on 09/28/2008, -1/+1I agree with that and that's a good point. But politics are a game in America, unfortunately. How can you appeal to a lot who elected George Bush and a grip of people who think Palin is qualified except by stooping to their level? Can you even?
These are the lowest common denominators. They're tough to reach because they understand hypocrisy, lying and bullying.
- algaeturd, on 09/28/2008, -1/+1I agree with that and that's a good point. But politics are a game in America, unfortunately. How can you appeal to a lot who elected George Bush and a grip of people who think Palin is qualified except by stooping to their level? Can you even?
- AchaIemoipas, on 09/27/2008, -5/+3That's because they're the same. He couldn't say "you're wrong" when he feels the exact same way.
McCain didn't even make sense last night. When he said the debate was important because this is the first time reps and dems ever sat down to "solve the economy crisis" I nearly lost it.
It's a ***** presidential debate. Which means they don't debate. Just two guys promoting themselves in the same room, there's no conclusion, there's no actual debate.
What makes me even angrier is that people don't seem to notice that he doesn't make any damn sense. His entire speech was just a big fallacy.
The polls say people think McCain won the debate about Iraq ffs. THEY HAVE THE SAME PLAN FOR IRAQ.- tbredofsin, on 09/27/2008, -1/+1The plan is working.
- jamaph, on 09/27/2008, -0/+7To respond to your call on Obama for not attacking McCain on issues like lobbying and the such, this wasn't the debate for it.
Next week we will get domestic issues, and Obama will be able to yell at McCain about that sort of thing all day.
In reality Obama did a great job and really demonstrated his knowledge of foreign policy.
This debate = Foreign affairs
Next debate = Domestic issues - zazzalicious, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6I appreciated the way he acknowledged McCain.. McCain's patronising lack of civilty, by contrast, was a real put-off. I can imagine him as President treating other people's opinions, insight and accomplishments as basically irrelevant. It probably explains why he rushed off to Washington to achieve nothing.
- karel747, on 09/27/2008, -1/+10I wanted to punch the televisin when McCain said to the camera: "I will take care of veterans." This coming from a man who has voted AGAINST veterans' benefits 70% of the time. Obama mentioned that McCain has voted against veterans only very briskly... he could have DEVASTATED him there - I'd love to see McCain respond to that.
- rootsm3, on 09/27/2008, -1/+7Obama doesn't need to be a dick like McCain. That's one thing he has going for him. He has class.
- karel747, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5I suppose you're right. But if there's one thing that's painfully obvious at this point, it's that McCain has no objections to running smear campaigns and stating outright lies about himself and Obama... I just want Obama to be able to call him out on them if things get hairy.
Smear campaigns work - if McCain can come up with a single lie that's particularly stinging and tenacious, then that could spell the end for Obama. To this day, a good number of Americans still thing Iraq had something to do with 9/11... and that Obama is a Muslim... that goes to show the attention span of most of America. - katedog, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5I must admit, I wanted to see Obama draw a little more blood, toss some zingers. But I also believe that the more Obama said "You're right" the more McCain looked like tool. I also think that Obama's objective was to look presidential, which he did. No need to sink to McCain's level.
- Haecceity, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3McCain is for "bipartisanship" but can't even look at his opponent, never mind agree with him. I think a lot of people pick up the disconnect between McCain's words and actions.
- 955701, on 09/28/2008, -0/+111 - noticed he called him by the wrong name, twice (!)
- Brian48216, on 09/27/2008, -0/+31In my opinion, him not being a consistent dbag is why a lot of people find his appeal as a candidate. He takes a conciliatory tone while making his point.
- msk275, on 09/27/2008, -6/+11I'm watching a replay of it now. And I notice on the CNN channel, they show the audience reaction to when each nominee is speaking. The moment McCain's name or McCain starts speaking, the Republican Line jumps immediate. It's like republicans get wood as soon as they have their say. I will say that McCain scored a couple of points when he said he wants to cut spending. When McCain gets off subject, he struggles. When he brought up Palin, the Independents and Dems. dive bombed. It depends on which segment you watch as to who wins. The more McCain says 'Iraq' the more the Inds and Dems. dive bomb also.
- Zanarkand, on 09/27/2008, -0/+8Also I noticed that when McCain spoke only the republican meter went up but when Obama spoke especially when calling out a McCain lie all 3 meters went up.
- inverselogic, on 09/28/2008, -0/+0I think the independent meter mattered the most during that debate.
- Obama214, on 09/27/2008, -23/+19Obama won, hands down. He was amazing!
- masaks, on 09/27/2008, -15/+2
- TrevorBelmont, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1I would say that the only relevant source is the voters for this one. The object of these debates is to win the favor of the voters. Academics and news folks can dissect the candidates performances all they like but the winner is the one who grabbed the attention and support of the people.
I don't think polls are generally worth much but in this case it seems to me to be the only meaningfully applicable metric.
- TrevorBelmont, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1I would say that the only relevant source is the voters for this one. The object of these debates is to win the favor of the voters. Academics and news folks can dissect the candidates performances all they like but the winner is the one who grabbed the attention and support of the people.
- Tzen, on 09/27/2008, -3/+5Obama for Obama.
- yojiffyskippy, on 09/27/2008, -4/+5I think anyone (except for the candidates themselves) have to agree that neither candidate won 'hands down'. Probably a slight advantage to McCain but this was his strong suit and that was expected. You also have the 'lowered expectations' to figure in. The Obama camp lowered everyone's expectations so low that he came off looking average just because he didn't make any major gaffs. This was a good strategy. GW used it going into his first debate and it worked. I might also add that McCain/Palin is also using this strategy for her first debate.
- mikesoba, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3@masaks - The polls indicate what people other than you thought about the debate. Did you check out the undecided response on the Fox Channel? Even Fox's chosen audience preferred Obama.
- masaks, on 09/27/2008, -15/+2
- pogwercs, on 09/27/2008, -4/+20Most Americans will relieve to hear this. McCain doesn't have much to say when not talking about VC prison and calling people "my friends". And Palin...Uhmm can't wait to see when she's up with Biden. She might to het him fired after.
- scabbers, on 09/27/2008, -0/+7Palin is going to get reamed so hard.
- Tzen, on 09/27/2008, -3/+3That's hot!
- TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1I almost -*almost*- don't want to watch that one because it's going to be a bloodbath. Jeebus - she couldn't hold her own against a simple question from powder puff Katie Couric, and she's going to go head to head with Biden?! What's that saying about bringing a knife to a gunfight?
- scabbers, on 09/27/2008, -0/+7Palin is going to get reamed so hard.
- Vash01, on 09/27/2008, -8/+47Obama appeared classy, right from the word go. He warmly greeted McCain. He showed respect to his opponent, while strongly disagreeing on issues. McCain appeared tight and almost condescending toward his opponent; he would not even acknowledge his presence. He repeatedly said "Obama does not understand...". At one point he even accused Obama of not knowing the difference between strategy and tactic. Obama was tough, yet respectful. He earned my respect.
- yojiffyskippy, on 09/27/2008, -14/+3Showed respect by calling him John instead of Senator? I guess some people hear what they want to hear.
- zazzalicious, on 09/27/2008, -7/+1I'm sure Barack called him Tom at one point.. and also Jim.. heh...
- mikesoba, on 09/27/2008, -0/+9They're colleagues.
- fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -0/+9their both ***** senators, talking to each other in a debate. do you call your colleagues "Mr. Johnson" and "Mr. O'Toole" when you talk with them? yes, there are formalities, like on the senate floor, but these men are equals in status and its stupid to act offended, especially given McCain's demeanor.
He called Hillary, Hillary, at the debates too. - katedog, on 09/27/2008, -0/+7You're right, some people hear what they want to hear, including yourself. Obama referred to McCain BOTH as "John" and "Senator McCain." Just tune into the news, you'll see.
And while we're on the subject of respect, what was up McCain NOT ONCE looking at Obama? It was as if he wasn't there. - TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1"It was as if he wasn't there."
Well...
- Kitakaze, on 09/28/2008, -0/+1Bill Maher had a guest on recently, who said he'd sent a check for the Obama campaign, with the comment "Only to be used for negative campaigning" while Maher responded that he'd done the same, but his comment field said "Get Medieval!"
I think a lot of people think the same...
- yojiffyskippy, on 09/27/2008, -14/+3Showed respect by calling him John instead of Senator? I guess some people hear what they want to hear.
- charm803, on 09/27/2008, -6/+36In the time of crisis, in dealing with other countries, quite possibly on the brink of war either with us or another country, Obama is DEFINITELY the one I want representing this country.
- dezweber, on 09/27/2008, -4/+33Being undecided myself, I agree with the results in two areas. I believe that McCain makes more sense regarding Iraq but I definitely warmed up to Obama. I was left with a strong distaste for McCain's tone and style. Did it bother anyone else that he refused to even look at his opponent?
- fugazied, on 09/27/2008, -2/+16Yeah I noticed that immediately... He just didn't want to look at Obama while he was speaking. Also, repeatedly saying "He just doesn't get it", "He's naive" etc. does not make for a sound premise in an debate. You need facts John.
- zazzalicious, on 09/27/2008, -0/+10Ad hominem attack, attack the person not the issue. Sad.
- 5celery, on 09/27/2008, -0/+10Most people get as much information from body language as they get from spoken words (if not more) - in this regard, McCain/Palin are showing some craaazy high anxiety and self consciousness. McCain's inability to look at Obama, even when Obama is telling him he did a good job, is not only telling of his weakness - but a little startling as well. It is obvious why McCain resents diplomacy - he can't even look in an opponents eye, let alone speak with them about areas of disagreement.
- TrevorBelmont, on 09/27/2008, -3/+2I doubt that it's self consciousness that keeps McCain's eyes off of Obama. He's an old pro at the political game. He's too good at this game to be unmanned on camera like that. I think it was strategy. I can't nail down the angle on it beyond some loose ideas about validation, etc.
- TrevorBelmont, on 09/27/2008, -3/+2I doubt that it's self consciousness that keeps McCain's eyes off of Obama. He's an old pro at the political game. He's too good at this game to be unmanned on camera like that. I think it was strategy. I can't nail down the angle on it beyond some loose ideas about validation, etc.
- dildoolielly, on 09/27/2008, -5/+6Did it bother anyone else that McCain is on 15 different kind of medications?
- roebeet, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6I think McCain's demeanor was a definite put-off - he wanted to hit home that Obama is young and inexperienced, but I think he went too far, last night. There's a fine line between assertive and aggressive, and I think he crossed it.
I liked Obama's demeanor, on the other hand. Respectful, but assertive. Who would you prefer dealing with Iran and Russia? What would McCain do, for example, with a Cuban Missile Crisis?- GianDoe, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4your last paragraph is the best point i've read/heard so far
/imo
- GianDoe, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4your last paragraph is the best point i've read/heard so far
- fugazied, on 09/27/2008, -2/+16Yeah I noticed that immediately... He just didn't want to look at Obama while he was speaking. Also, repeatedly saying "He just doesn't get it", "He's naive" etc. does not make for a sound premise in an debate. You need facts John.
- netneutrality, on 09/27/2008, -2/+4Read the full poll results; they contain some very interesting stats: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/2008Debate1.pdf
- LukasSmith, on 09/27/2008, -34/+440% of voters thought Obama was the winner?
I learned in highschool 40% is a failing grade.
Whatever happened to uniting the nation Obama?
Why is it if you are sooo Amazing you are always polling sub 50%?
Yeah yeah McCain isn't doing that great either but seriously
We expected better from you
and all you get are F's.- powatom, on 09/27/2008, -1/+8Except....this isn't an exam.
- ptemple, on 09/27/2008, -1/+6If the top two parties in the country put up what they consider the top two candidates in the country then you would expect the scores to be fairly even, each around 50% - % floating voters / 2. Only effective dictators such as Putin and Mugabe would expect to get 90%+ of the vote. Unfortunately you get a failing grade due to your failure to discern the difference between a relative and an absolute measurement. If both candidates were independently set identical tests on International Politics then you would expect to see... ok maybe that was a bad example.
Phillip. - rotundo, on 09/27/2008, -1/+5Running for president is a little tougher than highschool, my friend.
Bush, leader of the nation, hardly broke 50% in either election that he won. And that's only of the people who actually voted. There's plenty reason to believe that the ones who didn't vote didn't think he was great either.
Being president is a tough job. It's a shame the country is so divided that it comes out this way, but the fact is that a lot of people (sometimes even the majority) will dislike the president. That's the system we got, like it or not. - fugazied, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4I bet you get a lot of F's from your 3rd grade teacher don't you?
- LukasSmith, on 09/27/2008, -10/+3I love how everybody here is just digging up whatever opposes what I say even if it doesn't make sense.
Powatom... you dont think the debate was a test? You are a moron.
Ptemple....even you admit you don't make sense. Yes very bad examples. The poll is based on 100%. Obama got 40%. You do math.
Rotundo..... my point was that Obama promised to unite the nation and to be frank he isn't doing much better then Bush did in elections. And you think it is ok that a lot of people even a majority dislike the president? You are seriously ***** up.
Fugazied.... I don't even remember 3rd grade. But I remember getting many stars.
I look foward to more partisan *****.responses.- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -2/+3They're digging you down because you routinely make stupid, incoherent statements and are a known partisan shill for the right wing. You have no credibility. If you wanted to get taken seriously or even have your comments read you'd have to get a new digg profile, because you've well and truly blown it with the ***** you spew daily in this place.
HTH - LukasSmith, on 09/27/2008, -6/+3Spoken like a well known partisan shill for the left wing
You have no credibility.
I don't need a new profile for acceptance
I just need to be you.
And frankly you disgust me
A leftist Obama fanatic with no brain.
no thanks. - Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2Truth hurts, don't it?
- LukasSmith, on 09/27/2008, -4/+2That you are a leftist
and I have to become one to get acceptance?
No it just makes me even more eager to continue commenting to save poor lost souls.
I must set you all on the path of rightousness. - millerme, on 09/27/2008, -0/+0I'm impressed Lukas, that is the most idiotic comment I've read all day.
According to your math when one candidate wins with 51% they still fail somehow.
What do they get, F+? - ghostie, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1It's called a plurality, and that's all that matters in our voting system. Read a book. Wait, do they even have books in the deep south?
- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -2/+3They're digging you down because you routinely make stupid, incoherent statements and are a known partisan shill for the right wing. You have no credibility. If you wanted to get taken seriously or even have your comments read you'd have to get a new digg profile, because you've well and truly blown it with the ***** you spew daily in this place.
- bignerd, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3Nice spin Lukas.... You Republicans are pretty good at it. And you might have even gotten away with it to the untrained eye.
40% - Obama won
38% - Tie
22% - McCain won
As you can see Obama DID win. What high school did you attend so I can make certain I avoid sending my kids there. Anyhow, nice, try... What else do you have for us?- LukasSmith, on 09/27/2008, -1/+2When you tie with tie that is win?
I think not.
When your failure is less worse then another failure is that a win?
I think not.
I will use this quote from Msnbcnews to summarize my beliefs about this subject
"Both John McCain and Barack Obama rose to the challenge Friday, scoring points on one another, sparkling at times, but neither emerged as the obvious winner except perhaps to their partisans." - TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2"When you tie with tie that is win?
I think not.
When your failure is less worse then another failure is that a win?"
HOW IS BABBY FORMED?
- LukasSmith, on 09/27/2008, -1/+2When you tie with tie that is win?
- nonchalantmoon, on 09/27/2008, -2/+1And what credibility do you have? You poorly use the grading system as a metaphor for polling and somehow that is supposed to be credibility, huh?
Here's the difference. Grades involve comprehensively compiling a students work, effort and participation in a class. Polls are simple questions, not a measure of their but of the public opinion. Now, that being said, this poll is flawed and misleading because it only polls 500 people and we are not informed on how the populous were gathered and questioned. Your metaphor using grades mean that we shouldn't have a president because only one of them (Obama) has about 47% support in the nation. That means that Bush should be not only failing, but expelled (polls show 19% of America disagree with his job).
And then, THEN, you decry the credibility of others and resort to name calling? Listen here, you sanctimonious little prick. If you want to engage people in honest discourse to prove a point, by all means do so. But if you want to do it eloquently, maybe you should go back to a grading system style of education and study popular metaphors in literature. - TrevorBelmont, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2Lukas am smart at politics and maths.
- flashback99, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1High quality image of LukasSmith here:
http://www.greeneyewire.com/wp-content/uploads/200 ... - TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3You know, Lukas, my 13 year old daughter was watching the news with me this morning and she initially had a similar question... the percentages favored Obama slightly over McCain. She noticed it only added up to 89%. Then she (my THIRTEEN YEAR OLD) said, "Oh, well I guess that's the 'undecideds'."
I'm saying that YOU, sir, get an "F" in math.
- masaks, on 09/27/2008, -21/+4
- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -1/+8Are you still up trying to defend your guy? Give it up, he didn't win.
- theaceoffire, on 09/27/2008, -1/+6Fox said it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wup4nsIWe8A- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4OK, masaks, *you* tell us.. which source *is* reliable, and who says McCain did win the debate?
- TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1Yes - you have certainly shown us that we've all been duped into reading the wrong sources. WOW! Thanks for turning us on to "voices.kansascity.com" and AOL News.
Oh, btw, the NY Daily News, essentially IS Fox News - it's the same Rupert Murdoch corporation ownership and direction. Newscorp. Look it up, Einstein. - TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1"Oh, btw, the NY Daily News, essentially IS Fox News - it's the same Rupert Murdoch corporation ownership and direction. Newscorp. Look it up, Einstein."
Hi, I'm TheLoneHoot, and I'm an idiot for that last part. Perhaps if I hadn't kneejerked I might have saved myself some embarrassment. The New York POST is the Murdoch rag to which I was referring. Sucks to have to point out my own idiocy on this post, but I'd rather be the one to do it through my own admission.
I apologize for the obvious gaffe on the New York Daily News vs. The New York Post. mmmm. my foot. it tastes delicious.
- 5celery, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2masaks - you can't just assume because you don't think he won that no reliable source disagrees with you, you are setting up a logical fallacy equating yourself with a reliable source (for which there is no evidence).
- Dipsomaniac, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2What a pile. Every survey and poll shows that Obama came out better in the debate than McCain did. What you're responded with is opinion pieces that happen to agree with you.
So, with nothing.
- Dipsomaniac, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2What a pile. Every survey and poll shows that Obama came out better in the debate than McCain did. What you're responded with is opinion pieces that happen to agree with you.
- Tweets, on 09/27/2008, -6/+47Why didn't or couldn't McCain look Barak Obama in the eye?
- lulzitsadigg, on 09/27/2008, -13/+3Would you look a black man in the eye(s)?
- ryan899, on 09/27/2008, -0/+7I would.
- Rezistik, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3Yeah he might steal your soul.
/s
- userperson, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6Because he's obviously racist. /s
- roebeet, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6Because his left eye has been malfunctioning, lately.
- lulzitsadigg, on 09/27/2008, -13/+3Would you look a black man in the eye(s)?
- beanphoner, on 09/27/2008, -4/+18I've got a bracelet too!
- alais, on 09/27/2008, -3/+2Oh oh me too me too teacher, me too!
- Cowboy1015, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3I've got a bracelet too. It's from my ex-girlfriend. And she lost me. It's sad. I never wore it.
- zazzalicious, on 09/27/2008, -3/+14McCain's 'I've got a bracelet' was such a cheap shot. 'Don't let my son have died in vain'! No, let's sacrifice some more Mother's sons to make sure you don't have to face up to the fact that yoru son was sent to die in an illegal war.
Obama's comeback was spot on.
- katedog, on 09/27/2008, -2/+1It was the pin to McCain's balloon.
- JHB800, on 09/27/2008, -4/+3Did you see what I saw? Obama totally screwed up that line. He couldn't even remember who gave him the bracelet without thinking about it for a minute.
- Nescirian, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3Whereas McCain didn't say the name of the person who his bracelet was for at all, if I recall correctly.
- chill1217, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5@ nescirian: he did say the name
@ jhb800: so he took an extra 3 seconds to correct himself. but did you see what i saw? scratch deeper than the surface and you'll realize who the ***** cares if he took a bit more time to remember a single name of a person he's never met. it doesn't make his point any less valid that mccain was simply pandering to emotion with his anecdote - TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3"It was the pin to McCain's balloon."
The flag pin, no doubt.
"Did you see what I saw? Obama totally screwed up that line."
Um, no. I saw Obama acknowledge McCain's anecdote and take it a step further, reminding the old man that NO soldier dies in vain, and that he made a promise to the mother "his" soldier, that would bouy the spirits of all mothers including that of "McCain's" soldier... that he'd work to ensure that they never have to share that agony of losing their sons.
You focus on Obama fumbling with the name - I'm McCain had rehearsed bringing up the bracelet thing, and that Obama wasn't planning on it being a "talking point". So sure, he fumbled the name a bit, but his concise and direct response was excellent. Frankly it worked against McClown.
- bobh1234, on 09/27/2008, -23/+3The problem with Obama last night was he was talking out of his ass. Sorry, but he didn't believe a lot of stuff he was saying. He was more "middle" than his voting record would indicate in a blatant attempt to woo conservative voters. For instance, he doesn't believe we would have stayed in Afghanistan to go after the Taliban. He voted against that initially too.
- TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2Do you just read every other sentence in doing your research?
- thenekkidtruth, on 09/27/2008, -5/+50Why Barack won:
1 The undecided American public only needed to see whether or not Barack is a reasonable, rational, and knowledgeable statesman. He left them no doubt.
2 Barack was more consistently correct on the issues as Americans see it - specifically, right on Iraq, Afghanistan and Russia.
3 A small point, but it needs to be a bigger one - McCain made dozens of mistakes on the issues, big and small. He thought pre-Musharraf Pakistan was a "failed state", for instance - it wasn't. It was a fully-functional state taken over through force by a military general turned autocrat.
4 The best McCain can claim today is that Barack fundamentally agrees with him on most issues. That's not good enough for him - McCain needed to prove significant superiority on his Foreign Policy knowledge and experience - his self-admitted core competency - and he was unable to do that.
5 The big one is demeanor. Barack was poised, reasonable, confident, addressed the host by name and looked McCain in the eye. McCain came off as snide, smirky and condescending - it looked for all the world like he has a hidden, seething agenda. Personally, I think he does, but that's another day. The net result in the debates is that he likely disenfranchised the female vote as a result, who tend to prefer someone who's more reasonable, rational, and open to discussion.
A whole LOT OF UNDECIDED voters wanted to know that Barack Obama has the demeanor to be President, and he not only delivered - he sprinted past McCain in this regard.- masaks, on 09/27/2008, -17/+3
- bacardi151, on 09/27/2008, -1/+12And your incessant whining is pointless. We got it the first ***** 2 times you posted this crap already. please shut the ***** up already. To you no source is credible unless they have McCain on top.
- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -1/+12Repeating it over and over does not make it true. In the eyes of the viewers, Obama won. And that is the perceived truth.
McCain had to hit it out of the park to turn around his desperately bad polling. He didn't come anywhere near that.
Next up: Palin.
heheh, good luck with that. - thenekkidtruth, on 09/27/2008, -1/+5Turns out that virtually EVERY MAJOR AND MINOR news source and commentator is saying the EXACT SAME THING - most have Barack winning by double percentage-points over McCain - but thank you for sharing. Facts and the Reichswing . . not so much . . .
- theaceoffire, on 09/27/2008, -1/+12HI again!
Fox news: "Obama Wins Debate"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wup4nsIWe8A - factoryale, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6"Time's Mark Halperin weighs in with his grades: Obama A-, McCain B-"
That sounds like 1) Credible Source and 2) A win
http://thepage.time.com/mark-halperins-grades-for- ... - fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4holy ***** man, are you actually insinuating that at any point fox news would have been skewed to suggest Obama won when he actually didnt?
and what you are failing to notice is that EVERY POLL AND FOCUS GROUP has Obama either performing on par or better than McCain.
Fox News, CBS, and CNN all have at least 1 piece showing Obama won amongst undecided voters. for decided voters, its basically 90% in favor of the candidate they already decided on...so partisan results are irrelevant.
and in the face of all these polls, you then you go on to post 3 links to some various people's opinions on who won? you complain about credible sources, then post a link to a columnist's blog page?
go sit in the corner and think about how stupid that looks. ***** ridiculous man.
- KDX200rider, on 09/27/2008, -8/+4Did you actually see the debate?
"Barack was more consistently correct on the issues as Americans see it - specifically, right on Iraq, Afghanistan and Russia." - Correct according you who? You?
"The undecided American public only needed to see whether or not Barack is a reasonable, rational, and knowledgeable statesman. He left them no doubt." - You are right, I have not doubt, he is not the right man for this job.
How much Koolaid did you have before the debate.- thenekkidtruth, on 09/27/2008, -3/+5Barack was right on Iraq and Americans agree. Barack was right on Afghanistan (McCain was wrong), and Americans agree with Barack once again. Finally, McCain is making noises like he wants to start up the cold war with Russia again, and yet again polled Americans agree with Barack.
The bar for Barack was to be rational and Presidential. The bar for McCain was to show superiority over Obama in Foreign Relations. Obama made the grade - Senator 894th didn't.
What debate did YOU watch? - runCMD, on 09/27/2008, -2/+2I agree with KDX200rider on this one. thenekkidtruth - You sound like the typical Obama apologist. Obama is right on Iraq because he didn't have to be wrong then. hindsight is a great, isn't it. Given the constant stream of misinformation being fed to congress at the time - Obama, if he'd been interested enough to vote anything but 'present' at the time - would have voted the same. Using that tragic time in history to make his political point against McCain is despicable. Obama tends to stutter his answers a lot without the teleprompters.
- thedragon4453, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4thenekkidtruth has it right.
McCain is polling lower than Obama. For this debate to have helped McCain he needed a clear win. Last night just wasn't it. If anything, I think he showed himself to be a bit out of touch with what the American people want on foreign policy.
The thing that I think will really hurt him is his apparent and obvious disdain to his opponent. McCain's demeanor painted him as a bit elitist. Comments like "Obama doesn't understand...", "He just doesn't get it...", his complete lack of eye contact, etc.
I understand McCain was trying to paint himself as the experienced leader, but I think he just made himself look douchey.
- thenekkidtruth, on 09/27/2008, -3/+5Barack was right on Iraq and Americans agree. Barack was right on Afghanistan (McCain was wrong), and Americans agree with Barack once again. Finally, McCain is making noises like he wants to start up the cold war with Russia again, and yet again polled Americans agree with Barack.
- kvaughn4275, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3Couldn't have said it better myself. Obama was gruff, condescending, arrogant and unwilling to "reach across the aisle" as he says he's so good at, and acknowledge the common beliefs has with Obama. Obama was cool, calm and collected, and was able to rebuff McCain in a clear, concise way without turning angry or bitter, or taking cheap shots at McCain. He stated the facts and didn't try to stretch the truth. McCain is a hypocrite-if he's such a "Maverick" why did he make a political move and select Palin in order to pacify the conservative right? He wanted Lieberman, and if it wasn't for the aborition issue he would have stuck to his guns. And I think the most important question any reporter or debate moderator should ask McCain is this: what's the difference between a maverick and a rebel? Can we say none??? So much for separating himself from Bush, and Cheney, for that matter. Obama is the true-bipartisan, and McCain is merely a status quo Republican through and through. I think the undecideds are starting to see the light-God, I hope so.
- masaks, on 09/27/2008, -17/+3
- masaks, on 09/27/2008, -21/+2
- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -1/+8Your anger and desperation are sweet nectar to the Left. :) They are enjoying your flailing and whining.
Keep it up. :D- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -1/+5Thanks for confirming my premise.
Sleep well :)
- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -1/+5Thanks for confirming my premise.
- dreamweaver1984, on 09/27/2008, -3/+1i noticed it took over 24 hours for any news on the debate to hit digg, prolly cause most were not pro obama. lol
- Haecceity, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3Funny, the debate only happened 14 hours ago.
- TheLoneHoot, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2Actually there were about 5 front page submissons at about 3 a.m. EST. I assure you they did not declare McBush the winner.
- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/27/2008, -1/+8Your anger and desperation are sweet nectar to the Left. :) They are enjoying your flailing and whining.
- Ne007, on 09/27/2008, -13/+7Look....Ron Paul won ALL of the instant polls after the debates.
The NeoCons do not give up that easily. They will spite the people at every turn.- Nintendesert, on 09/27/2008, -4/+1Maybe you Ronbots should start blaming your candidate for his ***** performance in the elections rather than some vast NeoCon conspiracy.
- karel747, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2But consider Paul's raving internet campaign - something which no other candidate had.
- userperson, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2Unfortunately, it did not matter that Ron Paul "won", was the most articulate, or made the most sense.
- fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -1/+1Ron Paul wasnt splitting the non-independent vote with his opponents
- dildoolielly, on 09/27/2008, -18/+28I felt Obama was speaking directly to intelligent, rational, logical thinking people.
I felt McCain was speaking directly to lunatics, perverts, psychotics, derilics, retards, criminals, pedophiles and insane people, the lowest common denominator of our society- tbredofsin, on 09/27/2008, -4/+6What the hell kind of comment is that? Care to explain why?
- OYAHHH, on 09/27/2008, -7/+4So, McCain was speaking to you huh? Hey, you do call yourself "dildoolielly". Sounds like a lunatic, perv, psycho.... to me....
- KDX200rider, on 09/27/2008, -8/+4This is ego speaking, you think that your candidate was speaking to you, an intelligent, rational, logical thinking person. You suffer from "Typical Liberal" syndrome, you are unable to consider the possibility that someone with an different opinion is not "lunatics, perverts, psychotics, derilics, retards, criminals, pedophiles and insane".
The bad news is there is no cure for you.- Yatata, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4It's so funny that you should say that because that's how "Liberals" perceive Republicans - as the ultimate manifestation of the ego, the ultimate "id", they see conservatives as cruel to the poor and disadvantaged, selfish, hypocritical, belligerent, ignorant of the facts, intolerant of cultural differences and lifestyles, dictatorial and otherwise following in the same right wing ideology as Nazi Germany without the actual army or prison camps. What's FASCINATING is that people on the right see the LEFT as more affiliated with Nazi Germany because it was the Socialist party in that case that brought fascism, even though in practice there was no sign of any liberal ideals being pursued (equality, prosperity, tolerance, fairness, rule of law, transparency of government, arts, culture etc).
I think both sides of this "Red state, Blue state" divide are suffering deeply from a massive case of what I'm going to call "mirror syndrome" where each side sees the exact same evil in the other. This is fueled by an often hypocritical correspondence bias on both sides, as well as always always heavy confirmation bias.
this is a really interesting breakdown of how alike both sides really are but since we
are always hitting the "automatic demonize" button we're never awake enough to realize it:
http://www.zompist.com/leqr.html
here's another on overcoming bias:
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/06/are-your-ene ...
and another one from psychology today:
http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/experiments- ...
- Yatata, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4It's so funny that you should say that because that's how "Liberals" perceive Republicans - as the ultimate manifestation of the ego, the ultimate "id", they see conservatives as cruel to the poor and disadvantaged, selfish, hypocritical, belligerent, ignorant of the facts, intolerant of cultural differences and lifestyles, dictatorial and otherwise following in the same right wing ideology as Nazi Germany without the actual army or prison camps. What's FASCINATING is that people on the right see the LEFT as more affiliated with Nazi Germany because it was the Socialist party in that case that brought fascism, even though in practice there was no sign of any liberal ideals being pursued (equality, prosperity, tolerance, fairness, rule of law, transparency of government, arts, culture etc).
- nonchalantmoon, on 09/27/2008, -4/+2If McCain was catering to the simple minded anymore, he would have been using a pop-up book as a visual aid.
- maggiepoo, on 09/27/2008, -6/+0TO: DILDO......
I felt Obama was speaking directly to intelligent, rational, logical thinking people.
HE WAS! HE WAS TALKING TO US
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT VOTING FOR HIM.
I felt McCain was speaking directly to lunatics, perverts, psychotics, derilics, retards, criminals, pedophiles and insane people, the lowest common denominator of our society
THAT'S THE MOST INTELLIGENT THING YOU'VE SAID.
AND OBVIOUSLY, MCCAIN WAS TALKIG DIRECTLY TO YOU!!!!!!! - Aethirig, on 09/27/2008, -3/+3Hello, I would like to troll Digg. I would like to state, in a sarcastic and angry tone of voice, my opponents' predilection for insanely criminal acts. I would like to add nothing to the discussion, and I would also like to add dildoolielly took it from my pet dog on video.
Thanks for nothing!
- LukasSmith, on 09/27/2008, -34/+6McCain 2008
- heystoopid, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6Is that your best shot ?
Truly pathetic . - nonchalantmoon, on 09/27/2008, -1/+6Hahahaha! All you wrote was 'McCain' and you got -10 diggs so far. Wait. I haven't voted yet. Make that -11.
- flashback99, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Ok, I've stopped laughing at you now, but there are still around 50 people in this room that havent stopped yet.
- heystoopid, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6Is that your best shot ?
- Tzen, on 09/27/2008, -17/+4Obama sounded more presidential/diplomatic, like when your boss say "I feel your pain" while he's the one screwing up your day.
I agreed with McCain most of the time. Obama did too about 9 times.- nonchalantmoon, on 09/27/2008, -2/+2Either you're a second language speaker of English, or the Indian has not yet suffocated you with a pillow before throwing the drinking fountain out the window and escaping.
- scabbers, on 09/27/2008, -3/+8Make them fight with pugel sticks.
- smashv2, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2"My friends, today I suspend my pugel stick campaign, and will return to Washington. When I was a POW, I didn't have a pugel stick for 5 1/2 years."
- Rubuntu, on 09/27/2008, -4/+13Obama did very well is, quelling the folks who think he is a way left wako, who had never really seen him before and there is more of these people than you think. I think they now see him more in line with middle politics....
Obama also came across like he was totally capable of being the executive, diminishing those doubts....
No one really won the debate,McCain was strong in some areas, Obama missed some comeback opportunities... but in the end I think a plus for Obama and no advantage gained for McCame.
Obama also looked right into the camera and spoke right to the people and also turned to look at McCain while he spoke to him, while McCain was rude and condescending, refusing to look at Obama even when he was talking to him....and this debate called for exchanges between the two of them - something wrong with that. Can anyone explain that please??? - Gunsotsu, on 09/27/2008, -9/+3"Sixty-six percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-two percent think McCain would."
108% percent?- Tzen, on 09/27/2008, -12/+1Illegal aliens are pro-Obama.
- Nescirian, on 09/27/2008, -0/+0Why are politics so touchy?
Dugg for giving me a lol.
- Nescirian, on 09/27/2008, -0/+0Why are politics so touchy?
- vbullinger, on 09/27/2008, -0/+58 percent of people said that both would make the right decisions ;)
- yojiffyskippy, on 09/27/2008, -3/+2Dan Rather must have been fact checking the data.
- fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2i dont think it was meant to be a mutually exclusive item.
will A make the right decisions about the economy?
will B make the right decisions about the economy?
now, one might argue it would have to be mutually exclusive if "right" is taken to be an absolute, but i think it boiled down to "will x make reasonable decisions about the economy?"
- Tzen, on 09/27/2008, -12/+1Illegal aliens are pro-Obama.
- Elliuotatar, on 09/27/2008, -6/+4At first I thought this was an onion article. I don't watch TV, and last I heard McCain bowed out of the debates.
- fluxion, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1that was Tuesday McCain
- Wryly, on 09/27/2008, -2/+30I would expect a maverick to make eye contact.
- nonchalantmoon, on 09/27/2008, -1/+6Or address his adversary directly when he is directly being addressed.
- acknotSW, on 09/27/2008, -7/+2Neither one really impressed me, I can't wait to see the VP's though, that should pure entertainment gold.
- Cowboy1015, on 09/27/2008, -7/+1Why don't they put the poll numbers instead! I'm so lazy to read!!!
- smacd75, on 09/27/2008, -1/+6Maybe there's hope after all!
- KDX200rider, on 09/27/2008, -5/+1There is hope, BHussienO will not win.
- Me1000, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4I guess if you are hoping for an apocalypse then you would consider that "hope"
- KDX200rider, on 09/27/2008, -5/+1There is hope, BHussienO will not win.
- xman8, on 09/27/2008, -20/+2Obama won the debate by reciting a text book? He has no experience. Everything he said was right out of a text book. He sounds like a 5th grader. Did I mention he sounded like he was reciting from a text book. Obama is a fake.
McCain went back to work in Washington for the American people right after the debate.
Obama went to a hotel room to relax because he has had a tough week, according to one of his advisors. This is the real difference between "Lazy Obama" and a real presidential candidate.- bushfocker, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3what textbook did he use?
- nonchalantmoon, on 09/27/2008, -1/+5"Lazy Obama?" You mean that not going to the senate floor to vote since April, canceling an interview to do another interview and then sleep in a high scale hotel in New York like McCain did is what? Improving the economy through direct capitalistic exchanges?
You are dumbfounded at people wanting Obama for president, but you want to pick someone who voted with Bush 90% of the time, flip flopped on torture twice, picked a VP with LESS experience than Obama.
You do realize the combined education of McCain and Palin is a degree from Military Academy (that McCain barely received) and a BA in Journalism. Palin thinks seeing Russia is foreign policy. She doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is. McCain has admitted himself that he doesn't know much about economics while Obama has met with several bi-partisan economic experts to discuss how to improve the situation.
Man, your rhetoric needs some checking, son!- xman8, on 09/27/2008, -4/+1"Call me if you need me".
"It's above my pay grade".
He is Lazy and a FAKE. Period.
- xman8, on 09/27/2008, -4/+1"Call me if you need me".
- dilloway, on 09/27/2008, -1/+2"Everything he said was right out of a text book."
Which textbook did he recite? Beside the fact that you have no evidence to support your claim, you believe that it is fundamentally wrong for a leader to base his/her decisions off of textbooks. Textbooks that are written and maintained over the years by some of the worlds brightest individuals. Textbooks that are being critically evaluated by the worlds finest institutions. I truly hope that Obama is basing his decisions off of his educational background from Columbia and Harvard. That way when he addresses the world he will have the backing from its greatest universities, rather than a gut instinctive split second decision. Is that really so bad? - h4ckler, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1McCain went back to washington to meddle with progress and slow things down with his elderly body? Yeah.
- nastronomical, on 09/27/2008, -11/+3Uncommitted Voters" ....Proof? CBS poll filled with Leftist Obamaniacs. Gimmie a break the MSM will lie as they have done to promote this uttter fraud of a politician.
- zazzalicious, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wup4nsIWe8A
Fox News Focus group responds to the debate.... you may be surprised... - jimrin, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2The Fox News focus group also voted much higher for Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wup4nsIWe8A
Fox News. That leftist rag.- zazzalicious, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1Liberals to a man... especially that Hannity, left wing scumbag...
- zazzalicious, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wup4nsIWe8A
- nastronomical, on 09/27/2008, -9/+2"Sixty-six percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-two percent think McCain would."
108% percent?- jcroweall7, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4It's not either/or with McCain/Obama. It's an either/or yes or no question. As in, would Obama make the right decision? 66%-yes, 40-something%-no, x%-undecided. The percents between Obama/McCain aren't meant to be added together, since a certain percentage of people probably believe that both would do fine on foreign policy issues.
- KDX200rider, on 09/27/2008, -2/+1Looks like CBS got the numbers wrong, I guess they must have had Dan Rather and Mary Mapes working on that. Seriously, how can we trust CBS to give objective numbers? This from a network that tried to influence a presidential election by pushing a story that they made up. Has anyone forgotten this?
- Aethirig, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1I'm getting deja vu. Comment spam much?
- digifuzz, on 09/27/2008, -3/+10Did anyone else notice how McCain kept on doing that weird thing with his tongue? Kind of like... a lizard.... so creepy...... made me think of this: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/r ...
- karel747, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6Haha. One thing I did notice was how much he blinked when he was obviously in a tight place... whatever that means. Kinda reminds me of Bush.
- jaxcs, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2McCain should avoid playing poker.
- KDX200rider, on 09/27/2008, -5/+1Glad to see you were paying attention to the important issues.
- vladimirp00pen, on 11/13/2008, -0/+2As people get older, they tend to coordinate body movements with their tongues. Same goes for when they try to concentrate, Watch on old man using a can or walker crossing the street. You'll see the tongue coordination thing going on,
- karel747, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6Haha. One thing I did notice was how much he blinked when he was obviously in a tight place... whatever that means. Kinda reminds me of Bush.
- heystoopid, on 09/27/2008, -6/+6That kills it , the poor old self wanking McCain trolls will be in total shock and incapable of understanding any letter in the word "denial" by now .
- Ricemanstm, on 09/27/2008, -16/+5Keep dreaming. McCain won it last night, a majority of networks are calling it. So cry, scream, rant, and rave. Obama should've had a knockout and it was far from it. I'll give him this, he didn't stutter as much as he normally does. But, he sure did AGREE A LOT with McCain last night didn't he? This was just a salad, the main course is next week when Palin gets to smack Biden around.
- MrSantonio, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5I hear she's bringing a large bat full of stupid.
- Enderz, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1I can understand if you have a passion for your party, but "Palin gets to smack Biden" is pure stupid. Don't know what you smoking, but you should check out all the interviews she has done. I will bring the kids and popcorn. It's going to be a fun night.
- fortune500b, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1Even speaking as a staunch cynic I can tell you there is no question that Joe Biden will run circles around Missy P.
- Ricemanstm, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1Hey! We might get hear text book Joe Biden! He may start the evening with something like "Hi Sarah! Good to see you. Nice ***** by the way..."
- InorganicMatter, on 09/27/2008, -11/+6The debate was a solid FAIL, and only solidifies my choice of the Constitution Party's Chuck Baldwin.
Watching those two bozos go at it was entertaining though. :D- rhinofinger, on 09/27/2008, -1/+0...making sure that your voice won't ever be heard.
- h4ckler, on 09/27/2008, -0/+316% of the voting population actually votes based on a candidate they agree with. Everyone else votes based on the lesser of 2 evils. So saying that he's voice will never be heard
- rhinofinger, on 09/27/2008, -1/+0...making sure that your voice won't ever be heard.
