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  • bigbwai2000, on 10/12/2007, -39/+117Horrid. The Microsoft minions aren't even trying to be subtle about this, are they? This reminds me of all the right-wing media outlets who simultaneously report all the White House talking points. Microsoft is about as good at subtlety as they are at making "iPod killers."
    • estvir, on 10/12/2007, -75/+25Yeah, because ALL of these are from Microsoft, right ? Zunescene, Zunegroove and others AREN'T.

      Also, they're facts and welcome to the internet; if someone sees someone which they know people will want to read they'll put it on their PERSONAL site (Blog). Why do you think so many people link to their blog which simply gives you a link to some major site ?

      You guys are making a big deal out of nothing.
    • hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -45/+29@bigbwai2000

      Aw shut it man....it is a show of planned spontaenous, traditionally viral marketing by a multi-billion dollar behemoth.

      Next step, watch out for a new "Get the facts" site where "multiple", "independent" surveys will conclude how owning a Zune vs. an iPod actually has a better ROI, and a lower TCO.
    • threepio, on 10/12/2007, -4/+59Or they're making a big deal out of something that was written, formatted and distributed by Microsoft.

      Astroturf sucks - the problem with the "blogosphere" is that once you reach a certain size - you start attracting the attention of larger commercial entities.

      You'd be amazed how quickly these people whore themselves out for a quick peek at a new unit or a free sample.
    • Frankie4Fingers, on 10/12/2007, -32/+12Just face it.... the posters that are negative about this are just Apple Homers... and they say things like the iTV are cool even though it isn't out yet and similar devices have been out for 5 years.
    • netwookiee, on 10/12/2007, -29/+17"All in the same side-by-side format, too. What an amazing coincidence."

      This is the dumbest thing I've seen all day. This is a common way comparisons are done.
      This is flagrant anti-microsoft spam posting on digg. (And I'm an anti-microsoft person..except for their Xbox division..those guys know what they do! (Engrish))

      What the real issue here is: Why doesn't microsoft support their own DRM (Play For Sure)? What's up with that!?
    • unre4l, on 10/12/2007, -10/+70lol Did you also notice the generic-named guy who posted such a fake-looking comment?

      Direct quote;
      "These comparisons are very good to read. I still will end up buying the Zune because it will work alot better with Windows XP.

      Posted by: Harry"

      hi2u Harry, how's the Microsoft job been going on?
    • SyDIGG, on 10/12/2007, -36/+7"This reminds me of all the right-wing media outlets who simultaneously report all the White House talking points. "

      Or DailyKos and the leftist ilks posting their talking points about any particular subject simultaneously. The Democrat party pioneered the idea of talking points.
    • 23r17i05o42n, on 10/12/2007, -24/+40You can shove this turd brick back up Steve Ballmer's ass.
    • threepio, on 10/12/2007, -5/+62Get your ridiculous partisan political ***** out of my ridiculous partisan technological *****.

      Gah, the nerve of some people.
    • hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11@threepio
      Best laugh today man.
    • KillerX, on 10/12/2007, -18/+17They are all part of Microsoft's CULT of BLIND IGNORANCE. The members are all Microsoft Windows Butt Monkey Lemming Fan Dorks.
    • KCorax, on 10/12/2007, -15/+17> The Microsoft minions aren't even trying to be subtle about this, are they?

      I'm appaled. This is almost as obvious as the Apple fansite circuit.
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -15/+8@bigbwai2000:

      "This reminds me of all the right-wing media outlets who simultaneously report all the White House talking points"

      Just like the left-wing media outlets who simultaneously report all the anti-Bush Democrat talking points of the week, even down to the same phrases (I remember when everyone was saying "quagmire").  Everybody is astro-turfing.
    • kippie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7zunescene.com smells so fishy.

    • kippie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5and which low budget websites have a press release like this?

      http://www.zunescene.com/zunescenepress.htm
    • mtnxfreeride, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I completely agree... what bull ***** comparisons.. i hate my ipod but this zune looks like an even bigger crapbox... wher e was battery life comparison in the first blog? About as one sided as it gets.. yet the ipod still seemed to pull ahead.. i dont care about screen size.. i care about the range of file types.


      The Zune says it plays WMV... but chances are it will have to be a specific bitrate/resolution/videoencoder/soundencoder/soundbitrate etc.. so your wmv files wont play anyway
    • Xoligy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Your arguments are pointless. This is posted under Apple, so Apple 'fans' are most likely to click on it. Therefore if you disagree, you're going against the bias majority and you'll get dugg down. Just like this comment will.
    • mtnxfreeride, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Xoligy its on front page isnt it? therefore everyone sees it
    • virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Like previu=osuly said, the whole"BIG SCREEN" is a scam. Its the same resolution as the iPod, so even though its bigger, it will look worse then the ipod because its stretching out the same videos. I love how microsoft tries to market its MP3 Player as better because it has, actually, a less advanced screen. Also, all the Zune has on the iPod now is WiFi, WMV, a the need to go on Jenny Craig! lol
    • AllnightChemist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If recent history* has taught me anything it's this: Zune + Digg = FlameWar!!

      Every Zune article is now a battleground.

      *For fun, pick a user (myself included, to be fair) from any of the following links and see how often the same argument is made:

      http://digg.com/apple/iPod_vs_Zune_SMACKDOWN

      http://digg.com/gadgets/Five_Reasons_Zune_May_Kill_iPod

      http://digg.com/gadgets/Zune_and_iPod_Photo_Comparison

      http://digg.com/gadgets/Microsoft_sets_price_for_Zune_songs

      http://digg.com/tech_news/Zune_It_s_the_Aboriginal_word_for_Loss_Leader

      http://digg.com/gadgets/Diggnation_on_a_Zune
    • yesonoter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1From Zune features on http://www.zunevideoconverter.com/microsoft_zune_features.html , I think Zune will be better than iPod at Wi-Fi, FM radio, and preloaded content. Maybe the downloading service is better than iTunes. Any ideas? iPod or Zune will you purchase in this holiday season?
  • autoy, on 10/12/2007, -14/+55ROFL, notice the 1st gen iPod pic against an all brand new Zounetastic pic. The zuneboys are angry.

    http://www.zunerama.com/zune_ipod_side_by_side.php

    • TeqnoHaxor, on 10/12/2007, -12/+42Yeah that caught my eye as well. Such a cheap stab at Apple.
    • readme, on 10/12/2007, -10/+67They changed the picture but now they put up a 5G iPod and scaled the iPod to look much bigger than the Zune when in reality the Zune is a brick compared to 5G iPod. LOL!
    • rynoon, on 10/12/2007, -51/+31Yeah, such a cheap jab at Apple.

      By the way...

      "Hi, I'm a slanderous Mac advertisement. PC's suck and can't accomplish even the simplest of goals. Mac's can cure cancer and get you laid without even trying. Get a Mac or you're a pussy."
    • econofast, on 10/12/2007, -24/+6Did they change it? It looks just like the iPod on apple.com...
    • Frankie4Fingers, on 10/12/2007, -25/+10How is it a brick compared.... it is .3 inches taller and .03 inches thicker and only weighs .1 ounce.
    • skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -17/+12@readme

      Brick? Oh please. The thing hasn't even hit the market yet. For all you know it could be a fantastic mp3 player. I won't buy one because I already have an iPod that works great, but let's not get carried away here. I'm sure it'll sell pretty well.
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I just learned something I didn't know about the Zune, which is that despite its bigger screen, it's still using the exact same QVGA resolution of the iPod, 320x240. A bigger screen, but with the exact same resolution, so the only difference is that the pixels are bigger! You're not getting any finer detail than you would on an iPod.

      So not only is the click wheel fake, but so is the bigger screen. Idiotic.
    • TedTschopp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16The truth is that the Zune is larger than an iPod. So the side by side comparison is dishonest.
    • torifile, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23"How is it a brick compared.... it is .3 inches taller and .03 inches thicker and only weighs .1 ounce."

      You're comparing the 80 gig iPod with the 30 gig Zune. If you compare the 30 gig iPod to the Zune, it's a much more marked difference: .15 inches (or 35% thicker) and .8 oz. (or 17% heavier). Quite a difference.
    • Xoligy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5"Yeah that caught my eye as well. Such a cheap stab at Apple."

      Unlike Apple whose whole marketing campaign is to slag off the PC.
    • DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Fact: The Zune is around 44% bigger in volume than the iPod.
  • Zunerama, on 10/12/2007, -68/+30

    You are correct - thanks for pointing that out. I've updated the site to show an image of the new video iPod.

    I think in some ways the iPod does have better specs, including the support for more file formats and better battery life. The social aspect of Zune is interesting, and may take off. I suspect if it does, Apple will come out with its version of Wireless and put their own usual elegance and innovation into that direction.

    Please let me know of any errors in the side-by-side specs - thanks.

    - Zunerama
    • mrfunktastic, on 10/12/2007, -13/+52Lemme go get some Miracle Grow.... cause I smell a PLANT
    • threepio, on 10/12/2007, -11/+47Aww christ, they've invaded Digg... There goes the neighborhood.
    • rynoon, on 10/12/2007, -30/+25He's clearly saying that he owns the blog in question. How is that a plant? A plant would be if he registered under the name "John Everyman" and posted as an impartial member. He was nothing but polite. Of course, HE SUPPORTS A PRODUCT THAT COMPETES WITH APPLE SO HE MUST BE DESTROYED! DEATH TO THE NON-BELIEVERS! STEVE JOBS, OUR GLORIOUS LEADER, I AM READY TO DO THY BIDDING!

      Digg me down, you sheep.
    • Frankie4Fingers, on 10/12/2007, -19/+13Exactly.... the neighborhood was destroyed when every other story is either a Linux or Apple posting about nothing.
    • rynoon, on 10/12/2007, -16/+1Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... ;)
    • OverloadUT, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Why would you call him a plant? He says that the site is his. And he fixed an error that a digger pointed out. That actually sounds pretty well-meaning to me.
    • shoover, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Why are people digging him down? He acknowledged his mistake, has since corrected it, and has asked for more constructive feedback. If that is the sort of comment that gets dugg down, then this site really is in decline.
    • MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Agreed. he made a mistake, realized it, fixed it. Doesn't sound like a plant to me either. I won't buy a Zune because it doesn't support my platform (Apple), NOT because it comes from Microsoft or whatever other nonsense Apple haters and lovers are harping about.

      I don't have an iPod with video so I can't say for sure, but doesn't the 5.5G support 640 x 480? Or is that only for iTunes video on your computer or out put a display? Anyone know?
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Can you displays the pictures so that the scale is accurate? Right now it still looks like the iPod is larger than the Zune - furthermore it's kind of dishonest to compare 80GB specs against a 30GB Zune. Use like for like and use the 30 GB iPod dimensions.
    • kiantech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1rynoon thanks for saying what I was thinking
    • NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So, does Astroturfing for the evil empire pay better than minimum wage?

      -jcr

    • virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah how about scaling the iPod down to make it actually scaled to the Zune, update it saying the iPod has 640x480 and last but not least, add the "get an iPod" option to your blog, obviously if people see the comparisons, some people would want an iPod instead. Not just a Zune.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I don't have an iPod with video so I can't say for sure, but doesn't the 5.5G support 640 x 480? Or is that only for iTunes video on your computer or out put a display? Anyone know?" - MacParrot

      The 5.5G iPod supports 640x480 output. The iPod screen itself is still 320x240, so you'll only get the full resolution when you run the video to your TV (which I've tried, and it looks great).

      I just got the new 80G model last week. It's fantastic. A huge upgrade over my 3-year-old 3G 30 gig model. And for only $349? A bargain. It's nice to be able to put "Apple" and "inexpensive" in the same sentence.

      Good luck Zune. You're going to need it.
  • Zunerama, on 10/12/2007, -23/+28While ZuneInsider listed all of these sites yesterday, most of the side-by-side comparisons have been out for awhile, and been released on different dates.

    Zunerama's was published as a blog entry on Sep 12, after Apple's announcements about the 80GB video iPod. We've updated it since as more details have been released about Zune.
  • mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -18/+49I smell some fake blogs.
    • Spectrum7331, on 10/12/2007, -13/+35I think you might be right.
    • naio21, on 10/12/2007, -24/+8I smell some Crapple zealots / astroturfers.
    • DollaDollaBill, on 10/12/2007, -24/+8I smell angry apple *****.

      ...wait you don't think... on the internet... that people would actually copy other people information and pass it off as their own?? NO SIR, not on my internet. Everything I read comes from one original source.
    • Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -9/+0delete
    • kryszpin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4true. looks like fake *****.
    • mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm not sure I understand why people get mad when we call these "fake blogs".

      Weather or not you like or hate Microsoft and the Zune, or if you're a self proclaimed Apple Fanboy, its obvious that these "blogs" have suspiciously similar "comparisons" and they're probably originating from Microsoft.

      Does it mean the Zune sucks? No. But does it mean that Microsoft is trying to generate some fake viral marketing? It appears so. But theres no reason to be mad at someone for pointing that out.
  • cubiculum, on 10/12/2007, -9/+44Perhaps they all shared this information with the wireless connection of their huge honkin' Zunes.
    • feylanks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24if that were the case, they would only be able to repost it 3 times :(
    • brentzilla, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7HAHAHA good one about the 3 reposts. That's hilarious!
  • Pic0, on 10/12/2007, -28/+9Zune looks pretty cool
  • mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -16/+55Maybe its because Microsoft contacts these bloggers and gives them info while Apple sues their own bloggers...
    • Dolomite, on 10/12/2007, -17/+9Nah
    • ScottGentzen, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15

      We have a winner.

      Microsoft has a long history of that kind of thing...giving out "insider" info, swag and demo hardware/software to people that write for websites. The recipients write about the info and/or review the hardware/software. Software doesn't need to be returned (used to not expire, don't know if that's still the case). I don't know if hardware has to be returned. If they keep it up, they get a steady stream of material from Microsoft...which can make their site a source of good info, which drives traffic (in theory). Once that cycle starts, it's hard to break.

      That way, Microsoft gets a set of writers writing about whatever they decide to reveal, on a relatively predictable schedule, and it doesn't look like an ad campaign.

      What's new-ish that I've noticed is that with the Zune, they're seeking out other blogs that mention the Zune and comment on the posting, and correct any negatives while they're at it. Like Zunerama, above. I'm not sure what the motivation is there (compensation for number of comments? some kind of visibility rating?) but I've seen it from more than the commenters in this thread.

      Also, the dedicated Zune blog thing's new. Do any real people create a blog dedicated to information on an MP3 player that doens't exist yet? Where would they be getting their information except directly from Microsoft? There aren't any iPod-only sites out there are there? I bet there weren't any that were around before the iPod was released.

    • OverloadUT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Well, to be fair, when the iPod was first being released, blogging wasn't nearly the huge force that it is now, so it would make sense that it wasn't the same back then.

      But I do find it strange that there are a half dozen blogs JUST for a device that hasn't been released.
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Apple sues bloggers who leak undisclosed, NDA-protected trade secrets. Guess what, Microsoft does the exact same thing. Paul Thurrott once hosted some early Aero Glass screenshots on Winsupersite but was ordered to take them down, and when I saved the screenshots and had them hosted on my site, my provider got a legal letter from Microsoft, and I was told to remove the images. They were just screenshots of silly things, like the early version of UAC and the Sync feature.

      Microsoft will also happily sue if you reveal non-public, NDA-guarded information, as will any company, as is their right.
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5OverLoadUT: "But I do find it strange that there are a half dozen blogs JUST for a device that hasn't been released."

      ...yea, pretty fishy. So I guess that whole unreleased PS3 thing that almost EVERY gaming blog writes about is just a conspiracy theory. Now that I think about it, I bet Sony was solely responsible for publishing releases on every news site posting the specs from the Toyko show!!
  • SybotCB, on 10/12/2007, -27/+16Why won't they put an FM Receiver in a freaking Ipod. That's the only reason I haven't bought one yet. For now, I still use a crappy Creative Zen Micro from 3 years ago.
    • hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -19/+10FM Receiver and full screen!
    • Dolomite, on 10/12/2007, -13/+36Have you been living under a rock? You can get FM on your ipod with the iPod FM Tuner accessory.
    • mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29why would you want to listen to radio? That would just make it bulky.
    • threepio, on 10/12/2007, -10/+38You know, I was just *static* the other *static* that it would be really *static* if my iPod had a *static*-in FM *static*.

      That way I could *white noise* whenever I'm *crossover from other stations*!

      I really have to *random Hindi music crossed with a bit of the BBC world service* in this age of of the Podcast, massive music *static*raries and downloadable *white noise* I thought FM *static* was dead. I guess *static*!
    • Buschaga, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19They've got an FM Radio accessory and it's very tiny. It's really not a big deal.
    • halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9@SybotCB

      There are a LOT of add on gadgets for the iPod, and Apple seems to be pretty liberal with who they let produce compatible hardware.

      I suspect the lack of an "official" FM tuner on the iPod is due to the failure of the Griffen FM Tuner. Apple has shown a distinct Interest in letting third party vendors produce add on components, and the fact that an FM Tuner for the iPod has yet to catch on as a third party product is probably one big reason Apple hasn't come out with an iPod with the capability built in.

      I suspect there's a subtle difference in the target markets. Apple is unlikely to offer the ability to record FM radio to an iPod, and portable FM Radios can be had for less than $20 here in the States.

      The iPod is targeted at people who want to listen to their own music that's either been ripped from CD or purchased from the iTunes store. I suspect Apple is ceding the "And I want it to listen to FM radio too" market for the time being.

      There's also the fact that Apple is clearly trying to drive secondary media purchases. The recent addition of full length movies to their lineup is evidence of that. Podcasts (Sorry, Apple Lawyers, Audiocasts) are supported mainly because there was such a massive explosion of Interest in them, and so many third party utilities were springing up to manage Podcast Subscriptions. I doubt Apple would have pursued them on their own, as it's not a revenue generating proposition for them.
    • danisse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34That's funny. The reason I bought an iPod in the first place was so I wouldn't have to listen to the radio anymore.
    • pdotnet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Because Apple makes more money on the sale of 3rd party accessories through royalties than they do selling the hardware itself. To include an FM tuner inside every ipod would cost more to manufacture the device, so leave it to the accessory market to fill in that gap, and Apple makes money again on those sales.
    • RAiNsTorm, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3@ everyone above who questions the use of FM

      There are many reasons, but the #1 reason I see and hear is the fact that at many gyms they have TV's on but the sound is broadcast locally on FM. *THAT* is a perfectly good use of FM and an iPod and also why I will not buy one until it is supported *in* the device not as an add-on. I still use my Creative Zen Micro and have been courting a Sansa just because of this feature.

      But, I know the concept of a "gym" can be strange and new to many on teh intarweb ;) It's on Wikipedia if you need some background info.
    • brentzilla, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@halleyscomet:
      "suspect the lack of an "official" FM tuner on the iPod is due to the failure of the Griffen FM Tuner."

      I'm sorry, but maybe look up the iPod Radio Remote??? How much more official does it need to be?
    • halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@RaiNsTorm

      My local YMCA just has headphone jacks in most of the treadmills, stationary bikes and similar devices.

      I think your crack about a "Gym" is unwarranted. Not all Gyms go for FM broadcast if they even have TVs at all. Based on what I've seen, turning on Closed Captioning and leaving the TV on Mute is the most popular option. Your implication that anyone who goes to a gym would "know" all about your personal reason for not using an iPod is arrogant and childish.

      If you want to get into a d**k waving contest about gym attendance, be prepared for the fact that more Computer Geeks rock climb than go to a regular Gym. Most rock gyms only have a TV if they're big enough to have a nursery where the little kids can play while everyone over 5 is climbing.

      Besides, broad casting the TV over FM doesn't work well in a market where the airwaves are already saturated, like Boston. The odds of finding a frequency that isn't already overlapping with another radio station is slim at best.

      I'm at a loss to understand your obvious hostility towards the iPod. It's a gadget that clearly does not meet your needs, therefore you have no reason to own one. There's no reason to get bent out of shape over this, particularly since there are decent $9.00 and $20.00 devices that WILL let you listen to the radio, many of which are smaller than the iPod Nano.

      It's not like some Apple engineer looked up your profile in a government database, cackled evilly and said "Ohhh! and make sure RaiNsTorm will NEVER be able to use it, Mwhahahahaha! Design it so it never meets his/her needs, because we can't let him/her have a COOL device!"
    • halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@brentzill

      My bad. Thanks for the correction. It had been a while since I looked into such devices, and it didn't turn up in the 30 seconds of searching I did before posting.

      Please take the comments in my original post to refer to the absence of a device that's integrated into the iPod hardware itself, as opposed to available as an external device.
    • RAiNsTorm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0@halleyscomet

      Wow, you just typed all that over a silly comment I made (with winky smiley to show humor). Me thinks you need to take a couple deep breaths and maybe look into a sense of humor. Or go back to your rock climbing.

      I used to *sell* iPod's and other MP3 players, and one of the #1 reasons customers would not buy an iPod is the lack of built in FM because they wanted to use it at the gym. Now, all of these customers were not members of the same gym... and many gym's I have been in have the same FM broadcasting system for TV's or in-gym radio... so me thinks it is a bit more common than you want to believe. It does matter, and it is a common drawback to average customers, myself included.

      Sorry my humor got you all worked up.
  • Dolomite, on 10/12/2007, -35/+25Zunes blow. Who the hell would buy this piece of crap anyway?
    • econofast, on 10/12/2007, -26/+17I would.
    • Pic0, on 10/12/2007, -24/+14I would.
    • Shawnosaurus, on 10/12/2007, -20/+14I might.
    • mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19So dont buy it. Whats the problem?
    • rynoon, on 10/12/2007, -27/+19I love how these mindless Apple drones are trained to digg down anybody that even says they want a Zune. Mac users are the only people in the world that don't need to go to a porn site to jack off in front of their computers.
    • EdLesMann, on 10/12/2007, -14/+7Hrmm its interesting that those saying they would buy one are being dugg down....Digg Bias again?....Nahh.....

      I can pretty much tell you right now I will never buy one. Why? Its not because I am all anti-MS_pro-Apple_hardcore-iPod-fanboi because I pretty much hate my iPod. However, I am pretty much hardcore Linux because the things that I find it hard to live without are not avalible on Windows (or the implimentations SUCK). Because this is a MS product, I believe it to be safe to say that the Zune will NEVER have support for Linux (officially anyway...I am sure that there is some Linux Hacker who will take up the challenge...you go whoever you are! ). I also believe that it will never have the features that I request (Flac support, ogg/vorbis support, being able to drag and drop music to the device and not use a application to do transfers, as well as being able to move files between every OS as a portable drive).

      So I will probably never buy one, but thats me.
    • naio21, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Count me in. Reserved $$$ for a iPod Nano 4 GB but I am holding the money now.
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10@rynoon:

      "I love how these mindless Apple drones are trained to digg down anybody that even says they want a Zune. Mac users are the only people in the world that don't need to go to a porn site to jack off in front of their computers."

      The only thing worse than a mindless Apple drone is a mindless Apple-hating drone who denigrates iPod and Mac users out of insecurity over their own poor choices in hardware and software. Even worse, they think EVERYTHING is an Apple conspiracy on Digg, which just makes them look kooky. iPods are an extremely popular product that a lot of people love. Get the ***** over it! Don't take it out on other people just because Microsoft releases terrible products like "Zune" that everyone has fun mocking. Brown? Fake click wheel? Same 320x240 resolution as the iPod? No support for Microsoft's own DRM scheme, PlaysForSure? This thing will have as much traction in the market as the "Origami" UMPCs did that got so much hype before release and were being called an "iPod killer" by bitter Microsoft fans.
    • bpopp, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4I can't believe you Mac zealots are down-digging him. That's the funniest comment I've ever seen on this site:

      "Mac users are the only people in the world that don't need to go to a porn site to jack off in front of their computers." -rynoon

      Priceless! I'm adding it as a quote on my site.
    • alt130, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0EdLesMann: The BS proprietary software stuff is one reason I'd never buy an ipod, even if there are third party workarounds. There is no good reason not to allow it to copy music directly without drivers. And I'm a Windows user, so I wouldn't be screwed entirely, but it still stinks.

      And how about a standard mini USB connector, please? If I need an extra cable for my Rio Carbon, I can get one for five bucks. The profits made on ipod accessories are disgusting. A standard headphone splitter is $20 because it's white? Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, folks.
    • alt130, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0bonchx: So Apple invented QVGA too? Hoo hoo. Microsoft is no stranger to 320x240, pocket PCs have been using it for years. Not that Microsoft should be laying a claim to it either. It's a very standard resolution, get over yourself.

      I'm not insecure about my hardware choices. I simply do not like the ipod, and rather more strongly dislike people such as yourself who assume that anybody who doesn't worship the thing must have something wrong with them. Why get so defensive, it's as if I have attacked your god or something.
  • Anisty, on 10/12/2007, -24/+14let the Apple fan whoring commence!!
  • rkoopmann, on 10/12/2007, -7/+45does anyone else find it ammusing that the plays for sure file format won't play on a ms product?
    • cmiller1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31For sure!
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3It's one of the craziest things Microsoft has done in a while, especially coming from a company that's usually so obsessed with backwards-compatibility. It's a reminder that the company seems to have no cohesive strategy nor proper leadership in upper management, or they are very out of touch with the world outside the Redmond campus where company koolaid is plentiful.
    • ThatsUnpossible, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Plays for *****?
  • totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17total coincidence. ;)
    • Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2Yeah. The fact you get numerous people posting the same story within a five minute timeframe at digg is a total coincidence also.

      You do realise that people keep an eye on things that go on in the world as opposed to waiting for google news to present it? RSS feeds and the like aren't delivered to different people at different times, they all appear to everyone at the exact same moment. :O Do you understand how these things work? ;)
  • sonofagunn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Viral marketing will ruin Web 2.0.
    • hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12That's the way of the world. People come up with good ideas - Marketing suits in [Big honking corporation] get wind of it - convince old fart that idea + good old fashioned media plants == PROFIT! - good idea ruined - people come up with another good idea - ....
    • Sartori, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Web 2.0 is ***** 99% of the time anyway.
  • MrBabyMan, on 10/12/2007, -13/+11Not so surprising. The closest potential threat to iPod's market share would be the Zune. The comparison would be obvious.
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Believe me, Zune is no threat. This device will be forgotten in six months just like the UMPC was. Yeah, remember that? The "Origami" everyone was so hyped up about?
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Well, my neighbor recently switched his clinic from a dozen Tablet PCs to UMPCs and it seems to be a success in every aspect when treating his patients. I guess maybe since you don't see every kid on the street carrying one like an affordable iPod, it's a "flop." Then again, I hardly ever see Tablet PCs at my local Starbucks. But to go even further...I've NEVER seen a Mac being used in any kind of medical facility. But hey! ...that's just more of the over-hyped, right?
  • Anisty, on 10/12/2007, -30/+10I swear to god the Apple fanboys go through and mod down all the MS fanboys who go through and mod down all the Unix fanboys.

    Which leads me to thinking we need more women on digg.
    • threepio, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Modded you down, just for the fun of it Sweetpea.
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I'm so sick of seeing Apple-haters and their goofy conspiracy theories on Digg. You guys repeat it like sheep in a flock in every single Apple story. iPods are very popular, get over it.
    • DerekHall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah...the conspiracy doesn't even revolve around MS vs. Apple, right? It's all about being a woman! That's it! You've figured it out! This comparison is against women!

      Stupid.
  • ucbrave92, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Microsoft simply does not have a dog's chance in hell with this hunk of junk. The best way to put it is, they are too late with nothing really new. Also think about the message this sends to anyone who has stuff that is DRM'ed with PlaysforSure, they are not going to trust Microsoft, because what if they decide to stop supporting Zune Marketplace in a year or two. Apple has the better stats, the style and the marketshare. Microsoft should just stick with the 360 and stop wasting money. I guess it just once again shows how much of a complex MS has, there isn't a single market that they don't want to dominate. Cudos to Apple for originality, and not trying to copy anyone with their products.
    • VolsFan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I don't see why Microsoft feels like they need to get in on this particular market. Apple has 80% market share with the iPod, but they only have 5% market share with the Macintosh. And yet, Apple still makes (slightly) more profit off of their Mac sales than off of iPod sales. Does Microsoft really think the Zune can capture enough of the market to make this effort worth their while?
    • millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11"Cudos to Apple for originality, and not trying to copy anyone with their products."

      You mean like Creative?
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10@millixaw:

      Apple didn't copy Creative. Creative is a company that makes its money suing others on patents they don't use. They did the same to id Software and the "Carmack's Reverse" algorithm, which is why EAX was an option in Doom 3. Creative has been on the ropes for years, and their only resort is to ride Apple's coattails.

      The iPod interface is based on the scrolling OS X column view. Find a Mac, open a Finder window, and switch to column view. That's the iPod interface. The column view dates back to 1989 from the original NeXTSTEP. Creative got lucky in filing a patent first for a media player version.

      Besides, nobody else has the innovative clickwheel. That thing is damn fun to use. Not to mention iTunes. Case closed, Apple-haters...
    • s-m-a-c-k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3strange thing... this is the same thing that was said about the XBOX...
  • Shawnosaurus, on 10/12/2007, -11/+9I actually don't see at all how these blogs are fake. I'd wager you could take any announcement made about a popular product and find X blogs with a paste of that info. All this really shows is that 6 blogs re-used the comparison chart over the course of a few days. Marked inaccurate.
  • trippfitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Unfortunately, the authors omitted the Zane's best feature, ie the miserable, crippling drm that infects every song in your library, and which is, coincidentally not the same drm as Microsoft's own drm "playsforsure." I wonder if the "zune" will offer us the same functionality of vista, so that we can back up our music library, but not the frigging license. I wouldn't own a zune if they gave them away, as much I have invested in music it would end up costing me money.
    • Anisty, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3I'm sure alex and kevin talked about this on diggnation recently and said that the drm had been removed?
    • hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Actually, in Vista, you can't even back up your music licenses. So, if your pooter goes conk, so does your music collection.
    • KCorax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Actually you can migrate the digital rights among machines using a separate tool available at the Media Player site.
    • hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@KCorax

      That was kind of my point, you cannot migrate your licenses.
    • MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Does anyone know if the Zune interface adds DRM to the music that you put on from your own collection? If so, that really sucks (thank you Captain Obvious!). Just adding my own derogatory comments to my own comments. Beats everyone else to the punch.
    • DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anisty:

      Alex and Kevin were wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time. Alex said it himself, they're not guaranteeing any news accuracy on diggnation.

      You seriously believe that the RIAA will let people copy MP3s wirelessly using Zunes without any restrictions?

      There may not be DRM added to individual tunes you share, but the Zune will act as a secure/encrypted media "vault" that will prevent you from copying back this music to your computer, and will impose the same 3x3 restrictions on unprotected music.
  • rach, on 10/12/2007, -18/+11Wow! I can't believe that!

    The Zune looks so much more appealing than the iPod. FM receiver, wireless connectivity, bigger lcd, brown, and by golly $229?

    Thanks for posting these comparisions, now I definitely want to hold out for the Zune.
    • threepio, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5W ow I can't believe
      H ow I didn't see this before
      O riginal thought is for sissies - send in the clones!
      R eally, though, you might make a good point
      E xcept you're just a marketing shill, aren't you.

      Acrostic poems are fun :)
    • seanthepatrick, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3It was a joke..
    • rach, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Yes, threepio. All women who want to buy the Zune are whores. That is Microsoft's main customer base. Prostitutes.

      But I fail to see how not wanting to buy an iPod qualifies me for a lack of original thought. Are the millions of people who've already purchased an iPod participating in one big original thought? If I bought an iPod in the past, do I get to be included in this mass enlightenment?
    • threepio, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8It was, indeed, a Joke.

      Perhaps you need to upgrade to iHumour '06 or Microsoft Digital Humour Supplement Small Mind Edition 2006 - Now with more wakka wakka wakka!

      God I love gettin' people aaaaaalll riled up. :-P
  • AZTriGuy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11One thing no one seems to mention about the iPod (maybe no one uses it but me) is Calendar and Contact syncronization with Outlook. I can't add new appointments or contacts on the road, but if I'm out and need a number I've got it. I do like the Wi-Fi in the Zune, there are certainly some compelling features, but not enough to make me dump my 30GB iPod.
    • Ub3rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4That's what a cell phone is for.
    • AZTriGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've gone through too many cell phones and hate having to keep trying to deal with my address book in there. I know, there are data cables and software, but not every phone's data transfer works the same way and it can be a real pain in the ass. It's easier when a device can automatically sync with my Outlook, like my PDA does. I don't always have my PDA with me, but I generally have my iPod so it works in a pinch.
  • EngelDesTodes, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8Who cares if a bunch of lame ass people who can't code a basic HTML table ripped this chart from another site... Microsoft Conspiracy? I think not... I think microsoft could come up with a better way to market than to post a basic comparison chart on some blog that no one reads anyway...
    • EngelDesTodes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7***** idiots digg up retarded quips and I get dugg down for writing the truth... Beautiful...
    • s-m-a-c-k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'll mod you up... you know if at least 40 like minded diggers cared enough to mod comments then we could reverse this idiocy...

      in fairness, why are all the comments about getting/keeping and iPod modded up... and those that are about getting a Zune modded down...
  • deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11I love the smell of freshly cut Astroturf.
  • flickr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18What can I say, the comparison makes me want an iPod...
  • raptordrew, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I do smell something a little fishy, but it could be a lot of fanboys just copying the table and posting it. Oh well.
  • vibez, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Note: This infomation is based on research done by Zunescene at Apple.com and Microsoft.com
    There have been some erronious claims on blogs that this is a duplicate
    of "some Microsoft Report". It is not. This particular compilation of info
    was arranged independently by Zunescene staff 9/21/2006 and is not
    dupliction of a Microsoft report. Therefore it is subject to error by Zunescene,
    and Microsoft is not responsibile for any errors made by us. We strongly
    suggest that blogs which have chosen to copy and paste this table verbatim on
    their site be aware of where it came from.
  • flyindutchman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9It says gapless only on 6th gen iPods. My video is gapless as of the last software update. Also, they forgot the most important part, iTunes. The iPod is not popular because it has 10,000 worthless features. It is popular because it is easy to use. Until someone can come out with iTunes+iPod type competitor, they have no shot.
  • canyonblue, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Let me get this straight... I should buy a Zune, a MP3 player that is LONGER AND THICKER (sorry to be graphic, LOL!) than 80 GB iPod, that forces you into a proprietry store just like iTunes, that has Wi-Fi that only is useful if you can find another Zune user etc.?

    Sorry MS... you CAN'T win until you realize that the #1 selling point of the iPod is the beauty and seamless nature of the device. Pictures of the iPod nano and iPod 5.5 G = seamless, pictures of the Zune = another fat, plastic MS product. The software isn't any better either.

    I really had high hopes for Zune but this isn't enough, not nearly enough.
    • s-m-a-c-k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2where are you getting this proprietary store crap...


      everyone I know that has a iPod goes.... arrrghh!!! (get it pirate joke) and I don't doubt that the Zune will be the same way...
  • vroem, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12This actually demonstrates a difference between mac and pc buyers:

    The latter have their decisions influenced more by the tech specs, even if it's on an unreleased product.

    On my iPod 98% of the time I am watching or listening, 1% of the time I navigate through menus, 1 other % I am syncing. That makes the tech specs irrelevant for me.
    • Frankie4Fingers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Isn't the screen bigger on the Zune? If you watch or listen mostly then wouldn't a larger screen capable of at least letterbox format be better?

      Also, the sound/EQ settings of the iPod are limiting. I hope the Zune allows independent control of the audio settings.
    • SoonerPet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5A 1/2 inch screen difference is nothing. The 320x240 resolution is exactly the same on both devices, the same stuff is fitting on the screen. I think a lot of people are just being fooled with the zune, thinking it's some huge wide screen display, when in reality it's only slightly larger than the ipod, same 3x4 aspect ratio. The only difference is MS turned it on its side. IT IS NOT 16x9 or anywhere close to that, it's the exact same resolution as the iPod and I'm tired of hearing that falsely being reported on blogs. I think a lot think it looks bigger because of that large dark border around the screen, it is just an illusion. A 1/2 inch difference in screen size is really nothing folks, it's not any difference in viewing movies wide screen or otherwise. Break out your rulers.

      It amazes me how the MS fanboys can stretch that 1/2 inch to be a mile.
  • tscheremieh, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8when will people stop mistaking quantity for quality?
    • stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1... when people gain some intelligence. But that will never happen.
  • Frankie4Fingers, on 10/12/2007, -9/+8How is it that people say the ipod does more formats? m4v, mp4, and MPEG-4 are really the same format. Neither format allows Divx or Xvid which by my standards is a waste.

    The only difference between the players there is that one uses WMV and ones does MOV.
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3DivX and XVid are essentially the same format. H.264 can't be beaten for quality/filesize ratio, which is important on a portable media player. The iPod does play a lot of formats. H.264, MPG, WAV, AU, MP3, AAC, AIFF, and Apple Lossless (and, if Leopard's version of Quicktime is to be believed, eventually FLAC).
  • junkfood, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7I must have missed something. What's the big deal? If Apple, Google or any other high profile company/product put out a chart vs. it's closest competitor it would be all over the place.

    If Apple, for example, was to put out a spec sheet of iTV vs. TiVo don't you think it would end up all over the place rather quickly?

    Or if Yahoo put up a side by side comparing their services to Googles?
    • shark72, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"If Apple, for example, was to put out a spec sheet of iTV vs. TiVo don't you think it would end up all over the place rather quickly?"

      Well, more to the point, when Apple announced their new players the other day, lots of Apple bogs (both big and small) all posted the same information at the same time.

      Smart people did not need to say "wow, what a coincidence" in a sarcastic manner when that ocurred, because there's the general understanding of how tech blogs work. They follow the news, they read the press releases, and companies often send press releases directly to the blogs. People like to proclaim that bloggers are the new journalists -- well, there's your evidence.

      It would be a more surprising story if Microsoft's PR team *weren't* sending info out to the Zune blogs.
    • gagravaar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1shark72, you're missing the point.

      When Apple announce their new players, lots of blogs post the information. You're right, but they are existing blogs, reporting news as they always have done.

      Any existing pro-Microsoft blog posting the Zune specs, I wouldn't have a problem with either, as they are reporting news as they always have done.

      What's different here is that Microsoft release a new product, 'The Zune' and all of a sudden, dozens of brand new Zune blogs crop up, all with the same info, the same spin, and in some cases even the same comments!

      This is Microsoft using a PR agency to create 'spontaneous customer support' in the community - they are creating the blogs!

      Microsoft is well known for this. During the anti-trust trials they seeded a letter writing campaign with pro-Microsoft diatribes from ordinary Joe's. This is normal behaviour for them.

      http://www.luga.at/mailing-lists/rr/2001/08/msg00011.html

      Anybody who doesn't see this is a Microsoft fanboy, on their payroll, or extremely naive.

      Just for the record, I am pro-Apple & anti-Microsoft, but if Apple stooped this low, I'd have to question my allegiance.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but Apple did not have to do this in order to make the iPod sell.
      It just shows how desparate and pissed off Microsoft is.
  • chubbymidget, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11No .aa (Audible) compatibiltiy no buy.

    If it wasn't for Audible I wouldn't have 'read' a non-technical book in years. And I wouldn't know why Dan Brown was going to Hell. (not really)
  • jmzook, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6personally, I think the Zune will do little to dent the iPod hegemony
  • naio21, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3Good bye, Crapple. Your supremacy in the MP3 Player Arena is about to come to an end.

    "The king is dead, long live the king!"
  • thewebguy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9lol these don't even really favor the zune much
  • chix0r, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19I still havn't figured out why anyone would want a BROWN mp3 player?
    ok you can digg me down now. :)
    • Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8It matches up with their skidded boxers better.
    • themajor, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4don't worry about being dugg down, your comment was anti-microsoft.
    • bonchx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Dude, nobody knows. Zune is full of crazy decisions, from the bizarre name (still doesn't top "XBox 360" though) to the fact it doesn't play PlaysForSure to the fact it has a fake clickwheel. The fact the third color they chose to offer was brown (instead of, say, aluminum silver) illustrates how out of touch they are.
  • eleven, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9If it's brown flush it down.

    Seriously the whole zune thing is classic. It has WIFI all over it, except that it only connects to other zunes using WIFI. Who cares, I don't really have the need to share my music with people I meet on the corner. How is someone going to tell if you have a zune to share with? Will there be zune t-shirst so that you can announce to the world you have a zune and would like to share?

    Okay one last thing - what kinda friend transfers you DRM'd songs? I mean if someone said "hey check this new song out" and sent me a song I could only play 3 times before I had to buy it, I'd probably be pissed at them.
    • mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I dont know maybe you can trade video clips and other stuff? Its promising.

      I can think of one possibility. You're waiting for your bus or train. You see an ad for a movie. The ad also has download station. You download the movie trailer to your Zune. Watch the trailer on the bus ride. Not bad if that's what they intend to do.
    • bacon_skoda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Folks, get ready for Zunespam.
  • DrPh0bius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8LOL!
    I like how the one site lists one of the things the Zune has (and iPod doesnt) as "Official Insider New Blog."
    Wow, theres a real selling point! Could it get any sweeter? Well maybe, as long as there is full support for Windows Media Player!

    Thanks. I'll stick with my iPod.
  • TheDrunkMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8This were not all posted at the same time. Within the span of a few days- yes. At the same time- no. Microsoft probably listed a summary of the features a few days ago and all of these blogs made a post that compared them in the most logical way- a side-by-side chart. Some of the charts were probably taken and reformatted from some of the other blogs. Saying that Microsoft is behind this is a baseless attack on Microsoft for no reason other than you like Apple more.
  • Tilneys, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7Microsoft STINKS!
  • pookpooi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Some sites say that Zune playback gaplessly.
    • stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3... as do iPods. What's your point?
  • rjfalcon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Zunerama, can you change the pic of the ipod when you click on enlarge. It's still the 1st gen.
    And if you like the Zune I would change the scale of your zune pic, it looks crap scaled this way..
    • stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Seriously, the Zune pic is scaled too small vertically just to make it look smaller than the iPod or something (in fact it's longer).
    • Zunerama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Arghh, you are right - thank you.
      I've updated the larger image for iPod, and got the distortion out of the Zune pic.
      Also I updated the display sizes so the images reflect the fact that Zune is 4.4" in length vs the video iPod's more compact 4.1" length.
  • ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I am only clicking on one of these. I am not giving all 6 a click through for advertisers.

    I clicked on the first link, Zunescene. The number of inaccuracies in the comparison chart is frightening. Did this little Zune fanboy even bother to at least look at the iPod web page?

    Number of colors for iPod 2... well if you do not count U2 red/black edition and the 5 colors the Nano comes in.

    FM tuner for iPod... none... so the Apple branded FM tuner that my wife uses plugged into her iPod really does not exists and is a figment of her imagination?

    Gapless playback: 6th Gen only? Wrong. All Nano's and iPods with Video support gapless playback.

    For the Zune he says there are 3rd party accessories. Funny... I cannot find any. Not at Best Buy, Walmart, Circuit City. Not even on Ebay or Google.

    For space reasons I am not going to list the other 5 inaccuracies I found... you get the idea.
    • naio21, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4INTEGRATED FM Tuner, dammit! How much does this iPod-FM-tuner-wannabe cost?
    • NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1He's not a fanboy, he's a shill.  The difference matters.

      -jcr

  • blurplevtx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Just looking at specs is worthless, zunescene has a couple wrong anyway, my 5th Gen plays gapless (and there isn't a 6th gen anyway).

    They forgot this spec:

    UNITS SOLD:

    iPod: 50+ million
    Zune: 00000000000
    • rynoon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/specification
    • mancat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4How would you sell an unreleased product?
    • Solarux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well, it is an unreleased product after all - entering it's first generation. I don't really see how you can compare the two on that level. Sure, I'm not all that impressed with the Zune on paper either, but after owning five iPods and all five of them dying after a year of use or less...I'm willing to take my chances, especially for Live integration.

      Speaking of, remember when they said the 2nd-gen Xbox would tank? I think it's rather well noted that the 360 is in a prominent market position and is undoubtedly a very strong brand. And would you look at that!? Part of the 360 team is behind the Zune development. I'd say for the long haul, it's going to be an interesting product.

      Besides, it's what...less than $300 dollars? I piss away twice that much every Saturday night partying. Why not?
    • NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And how many of MS's "plays for sure" customers have been screwed?  Something like a milion or so, IIRC?

      -jcr

    • pixelperfect, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, it's 60+ million.
  • rjfalcon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Number of colors for iPod 2... well if you do not count U2 red/black edition and the 5 colors the Nano comes in."

    They are comparing the 30 gig iPod so he is right about the colours, although you are right about those other things.

  • sygyzy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Give me a break fellas. The mere fact that they are identical should tell you that this is NOT a ploy, NOT a conspiracy theory, NOT a coverup. Go read any blog or website that covers products out there. Believe it or not, they get most of their information from press releases. OMG, Engadget posted the same dimensions for the iPod as Gizmodo. Conspiracy by the fake blogs. Whatever. Where is the crime here?
  • moderndiva11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well, actually, the guys in the end, Tech2, those guys seem to have the most detailed comparison out there...and tho the guys were in two minds earlier about picking the winner, after the price announcement, I think they just turned over and gave it to Microsoft anyways...link below...

    http://www.tech2.com/india/topstuff/portable-mp3-audio-players/ipod-vs-zune-get-set-go/1826/0
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I like how in the category of "expansion" they said that because the iPod acessory market was so vast, it was unfair to compair the Zune market which has only three things - thus, a tie! And in the end they said they didn't mind paying a bit more because it supported WMV, even though the Zune store will not sell you WMV for some time to play upon it...
  • blurplevtx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Leo Laporte said it best (paraphrasing) that the Zune will only steal sales away from the other MP3 players that are struggling as well.

    I liked the comment on one of the blogs that "Zune will play Podcast" which I'm guessing if you don't know by now that podcasts are just MP3, AAC, h264 and MP4 files it's probably lost on you anyway.
    • felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Exactly. Of course it will play podcasts. The real question is if it will manage them well, like iTunes does.

    • geekdreams, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4On the latest episode of TWiT, Patrick Norton said he asked a product manager at MS about RSS support in WMP 11 and they said it wasn't gonna happen. So there's your answer.
  • dargoesdigging, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4LOL, look at the first link. - from zunescene.com

    Some of the categories the Zune "wins" on:
    XBOX Marketplace Integration
    Unique Online Tag
    Landscape Video
    Preloaded Audio
    Preloaded Video
    Tactile Control
    Online Service
    File Sharing
    Social Networking
    Official Insider News Blog(s)

    I mean, How can you resist all those incredably useful features?
    This ones going to be even more of a flop than the other immensely sucessful "ipod killers". What are they thinking?

    The only iPod killer will be the next iPod.
    • Maverick18x, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4You forgot this important win for the Zune, also from zunescene.com:

      Semi-Transparent Case: Zune YES, iPod none

      If I remember correctly Apple started that fad. Back in 2001.
    • geekdreams, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You're right, those are all really good features...




      ...for me to zune on!!!
    • alexandreracine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some good comparison would have been to say the opposite :

      iTunes integration : Zune none, iPod yes

      Or even better, some REAL comparison on CONTENT :

      Number of movies : Zune none, iPod a lot
      Number of songs : Zune a couple, iPod a lot.
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