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- wetdirtmud, on 07/14/2008, -16/+84I'm not sure how these are "iPhone Killers" when their prices are almost 4 times as much.
- ZeroNeo, on 07/14/2008, -17/+40no mandatory contract....
- lrdntwnd, on 07/15/2008, -4/+8Which will not be an issue once AT&T announces the prices for the contract-less version.
- walugi, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1See OP.
- Elranzer, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Why do these phone contractors act like AT&T is the only phone company? They're the ***** one. I'd like to see some of these babies on Verizon, or even Sprint.
- markwilcox, on 07/15/2008, -21/+5Lol, you realise the iPhone costs over a grand...
- Palaceguard, on 07/15/2008, -1/+4A car cost more too $35,000 plus gas, car insurance, maintenance. So what is the difference? An iPhone cost me $299 plus a contract.
- MadKennyP, on 07/15/2008, -2/+2Are there a lot of people buying cell phones and not signing up for cell phone service these days? If not, every cell phone costs more than the purchase price.
- DanMiller, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Yeah haven't been able to pin down that logic. I bought a blackberry 2 years ago and pay an extra $20 a month for the data plan and an additional $5 for a text plan. I got the phone for $50 dollars. I have never really felt the need to cry about the extra $600 i've paid, nor have I worried about the money I spend for minutes. Almost any phone out there anymore with a discounted price requires a two year contract and every service out there is going to gouge you for a data plan. People should quit acting like $30 for data is so outlandish, it's the same cost as for any phone.
- Spytap, on 07/15/2008, -16/+21More expensive, less user friendly.
Also, they keep touting the abundance of windows mobile software, while completely forgetting the entire new marketplace for iPhone software that opened with 500 applications and will grow to an exponential degree.- saqer, on 07/15/2008, -5/+3i got my 6700 back in 2006 for $50 brand new with no obligation to add any extra service..
currently i have unlimited data, text and navigation for $20 extra...and Windows Mobile apps at 5000 vs 500, it still takes the gold.
and less user friendly is such a subjective statement. Unlike iphone users, I can very much use my smartphone with one hand very effectively and still accomplish what i need. - chaosium, on 07/15/2008, -0/+4"Unlike iphone users, I can very much use my smartphone with one hand very effectively and still accomplish what i need."
You really have no idea what you're talking about. - r3zonance, on 07/15/2008, -0/+5"Windows Mobile apps at 5000 vs 500"
It's quality that matters, not quantity.
I'd rather look through 420 average apps to find the awesome 80 apps, than windows mobile 4,900+ absolutely appauling apps, to find the awesome 100.
Most Windows Mobile third-party applications offer the ugliest, most user unfriendly, slow clunky beasts I have ever had the displeasure of using. - Elranzer, on 07/15/2008, -2/+1The Sony-Ericsson XPeria and HTC Touch Pro are certainly prettier than the iPhone. And they run Windows Mobile 6.1, an actually useful OS.
- saqer, on 07/15/2008, -5/+3i got my 6700 back in 2006 for $50 brand new with no obligation to add any extra service..
- dvsbastard, on 07/15/2008, -7/+10"If you can't afford it, don't bitch about it..."
I guess that comment only applies to people who don't want to buy the iPhone...- Me1000, on 07/15/2008, -4/+5he isnt bitching, he is pointing out that people wont buy the "killers" because of the price.
- bumblefoot, on 07/15/2008, -13/+6but they have sold a lot more than the original iphone has and the iphone 3g will
nokia alone sold 440 million cell phones in 2007-2008 alone,
thats 3 times the amount of ipods sold since the 1st gen- holymrack, on 07/15/2008, -5/+17Did you really just say that?
Nokia has roughly 40 phones in production today to Apple's 1. And how many of those phones reported in that number do you think are the free candy bar handsets that come from signing a contract? I would bet a large amount.
Nokia is a great company that makes some truly powerful products...but you simply cannot compare 40:1 and think those metrics have any real meaning. - johnpaul191, on 07/15/2008, -1/+3yeah, the monstrous size of the cell phone market is probably part of the reason Apple stepped into it. They don't need to dominate the market to make a healthy profit, there are plenty of customers for everyone.
the above is also true though, Apple is probably not going to make any throwaway prepay phones of freebie phones, and i don't see them ever thinking they can move more phones than somebody like Nokia. Apple is only in the smartphone market, and Blackberry dominates that market (at least in the US). - r3zonance, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3Yeah, this is about smartphones, not your crappy $1 handsets unsubsidized.
- holymrack, on 07/15/2008, -5/+17Did you really just say that?
- solarisdreams, on 07/15/2008, -19/+124 times as much? You're obviously dumb enough to fall for the "$299" pricetag. Go and activate the phone and let's compare the total bill after 12-24 months.
Apples are for lemmings.- sonofalink, on 07/15/2008, -5/+14Right, because all the other cell phones don't have a monthly charge.
- Palaceguard, on 07/15/2008, -3/+9The phone is $299. That's what it cost. No one includes the extra crap into the cost. Then why don't people include gas for cars, cable tv for televisions. Lame BS
- saqer, on 07/15/2008, -9/+3Apples ARE for lemmings...just watch and see, many if not most of those who switched to the iphone will probably be paying 25-30% more / month than with their previous phone and plan, but that doesn't bother them.
Hey look guys, I have a new 3G iphone. I'm paying so much more per month for it, but I'm ok with because it's an apple product.
@sonofalink, Not as much as the iphone... i have a windows mobile smartphone and pay just 15/mo extra for internet and navigation with sprint - johnpaul191, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2really? because the iPhone plans are cheaper than Verizon's smartphone plans. They are roughly the same as AT&T's other smartphone plans (for new users, not people grandfathered in on old plans). The original iPhone was actually a pretty good deal in the US. Monthly service was WAY cheaper than what i pay Verizon for my Treo.... offhand the money i pay Verizon would have gotten me twice the minutes with AT&T.
- DanMiller, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2Saqer you are an idiot. The lowest basic voice plan for AT&T is $40. If you want to add 3G service you add $30 dollars. Its the same cost as the freaking iPhone plan which is $69.99! The only diffence is you are paying the upfront cost for the phone. Quit acting like owning the iphone is any more expensive than the other 3G handsets offered by AT&T.
I'm not to sure what plan you may have scored but the Sprint site with the same amount of minutes with a data plan is...wait for it....69.99!
- Dracusis, on 07/15/2008, -2/+13It's interesting how, with the iPhone, even with those small pics, I can tell what a lot of it's possible functions are. Save the HTC Touch Pro with it's drab black and white icons, the rest of the phones looks messy and confusing.
Why does the Samsung i900 need three little clock icons on it?
I'm not a apple fan, don't have any of those phones, but at a glance, the iPhone seems one of the more straight forward models. I guess, if you're a phone geek or something then the others with all the little things they do might tickle you in that special place, but won't the majority will still go where the hype is?- saqer, on 07/15/2008, -3/+3Yes, the typical consumer will go wherever they find ease, prestige and functionality...but as far as power devices are concerned there's no comparison between the iphone OS and Windows Mobile despite the recent opening of the iphone store. What you are not told in that article is that the touch pro not only touts all that mentioned, but also video-out and an FM radio with RDS. Confusing as it may look, people are not THAT dumb to use it.
- saqer, on 07/15/2008, -2/+2No, $70+ month for service with the 3G iphone is very affordable
- TheShrike, on 07/15/2008, -3/+2Aside from price, this article sums up the iPhone's success succinctly when it mentions the subpar UI of each of these 'iPhone killers'.
- antoniojvr, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3If these are the iPhone killers, then the iphone has nothing to worry about.
- ZeroNeo, on 07/14/2008, -17/+40no mandatory contract....
- acevoncash, on 07/14/2008, -5/+45I look forward to the day when people aren't talking about the ______ killer on the internet anymore. What another product doesn't do isn't a feature or a reason to buy a product. focus on what it does do. please.
- digitaldivinci, on 07/14/2008, -6/+129Love it or hate it, Apple has forced other phone makers to step up their game and now we as consumers have a larger quantity of top line phones to choose from.
- dyranios2, on 07/14/2008, -26/+12Except that other phone makers were already ahead of the game with things like copy/paste, MMS and uncrippled bluetooth so when they start innovating on the screen like that they will already look better than the iphone spec wise.
- digitaldivinci, on 07/14/2008, -4/+15Yes, we all know it lacks those three things. That's all anyone ever talks about, and the battery.
- MScrip, on 07/15/2008, -7/+6Too bad Apple still sells millions of these gosh-darn crippled phones!
- killerofkiller, on 07/15/2008, -6/+5* god damn crippled phones
this is the internet.. ur mommy wont hear u, and neither will jesus - nycmac247, on 07/15/2008, -3/+7And those MILLION people that bought them this last weekend were sure dumb!!!
Once they find out it does not have voice dial they will probably return them!!!11!!! - Archaic1, on 07/15/2008, -2/+5Way to completely miss his point dyranios2...
- incandescent, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1I don't know why these fan-boys are digging you down dyranios, because you're 100% correct. All the whizzy features in the world are no use if they can't get the basics right.
- MikeyTwit, on 07/15/2008, -3/+3Shows how fickle Diggers can be. I made the same point more or less in another post(Jackass reporter at iphone launch) and I get dugg down. Like I said before, even if you hate the iPhone or Apple, you can't deny it's a game changer in the cell industry, just based on all the "iPhone Killers" everyone seems to be scrambling to come up with.
- dyranios2, on 07/14/2008, -26/+12Except that other phone makers were already ahead of the game with things like copy/paste, MMS and uncrippled bluetooth so when they start innovating on the screen like that they will already look better than the iphone spec wise.
- socalslaker, on 07/14/2008, -12/+59If it wasn't for the iPhone the cell phone market would be stagnate and would not improve like it is doing now. Long live the iPhone
- ObamaWins08, on 07/15/2008, -20/+5Sorry to disappoint, but the iPhone is a simple man-made device, and as such, is not considered to be living.
- geoken, on 07/15/2008, -15/+18The only difference would be that no one in North America would know about these phones. Phones of this caliber have existed before the iPhone. The only problem is that people only knew what their cell providers where selling them or what the TV commercials where showing them.
The only thing that has changed is that people who previously knew nothing about the smart phone market become overnight "experts" who regurgitated everything Jobs was saying about the 'sad state' of the pre-iPhone smartphone market. They now started to pay attention to the smart phone market (or perhaps the media started to pay attention) and by extension they assumed that the market didn't exist before this period. Here is pretty much how it happened.
1. Cell phone makers like Nokia releasing innovative phones. Most North American's completely unaware.
2. iPhone comes out. Massive advertising drive. Most North American's (who know about nothing beyond their Palm treo's) think it's the greatest phone.
3. Media starts paying attention to smart phones which are progressing like they always have, but the new smart phone fans think this industry just started because they've never seen these phones before.
- amadeusdemarzi, on 07/15/2008, -1/+9I think the point being made is not that the iPhone is the first phone to have email, or internet. Let's face it, most smart phones had/have a ***** user experience. That is not to say the iPhone is perfect, but Apple brought usability to the forefront in the cellphone market and now we are beginning to have phones that are accessible to nearly anyone, regardless of their feature sets.
It's not the features, it's how you use them! :P - thePhallex, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3You're using too many apostrophes. You don't use them for something that is 'more than one' (plural).
Sorry, anyway...
Us "Americans" knew of these Smart Phones, but in the past they've all been created for business purposes... no "fun" software. Sure they had GPS and tri-band and all that stuff, but most consumers are bored staring at a stale Windows Mobile platform. This new phone is basically a reason for the "Average Joe" to buy a smartphone.
Also, let's not forget that before the iPhone, hardly any other smartphones came with touchscreen capabilites; they all had lame hard keys. This is a major advancement in using portable devices. The phone makers are STILL having a hard time trying to replicate the soft keyboard that the iPhone has.
- amadeusdemarzi, on 07/15/2008, -1/+9I think the point being made is not that the iPhone is the first phone to have email, or internet. Let's face it, most smart phones had/have a ***** user experience. That is not to say the iPhone is perfect, but Apple brought usability to the forefront in the cellphone market and now we are beginning to have phones that are accessible to nearly anyone, regardless of their feature sets.
- drew52686, on 07/14/2008, -7/+75I hate to unfairly judge a phone that I haven't personally used but in the case of the Nokia N96 (I have used a N95 before), I can just not fathom the UI being simpler or more intuitive that the iPhone's. Though the iPhone is missing many features, its UI is the nearest thing to perfection ever seen in a mobile device. I can confidently say that is the one thing that Apple nailed.
- defaria, on 07/15/2008, -9/+1Who gives a rat's ass if the UI is "intuitive" if the functionality is not there!
- r3zonance, on 07/15/2008, -0/+5The UI is what allows you to get to, and make use of, the functionality. You prat!
- defaria, on 07/15/2008, -9/+1Who gives a rat's ass if the UI is "intuitive" if the functionality is not there!
- clak, on 07/14/2008, -8/+43I love how articles like this always ignore the fact that Apple has an unbeatable ecosystem called "iTunes." There is a whole generation of tweens growing up right now who don't know anything else and they have lots of disposable allowance money, and it's going straight into iTunes every week. Yes, these kids growing up today actually *GASP* buy their music! So what do you think they're going to choose when sweet sixteen rolls around and they get their first car and phone?
That's right, they're going to get an iPhone. It's the ecosystem, stupid. Complain all you want about the deficiencies with hardware and software, but the ecosystem is going to help Apple continue to dominate.
The HTC Touch Pro is a monster in the hardware department and looks like a great device, but it just won't matter because it's not a brand people trust and it's not hooked into iTunes.- ObamaWins08, on 07/15/2008, -14/+10Replace "Apple" with Microsoft, ecosystem with OS, and iTunes with Windows. Great, now you sound just like the people you hate.
- placidified, on 07/15/2008, -2/+10OK lets try that;
"I love how articles like this always ignore the fact that Microsoft has an unbeatable OS called "Windows". There is a whole generation of tweens growing up right now who don't know anything else and they have lots of disposable allowance money, and it's going straight into Windows every week. Yes, these kids growing up today actually *GASP* buy their music! So what do you think they're going to choose when sweet sixteen rolls around and they get their first car and phone?
That's right, they're going to get an P.C. It's the OS, stupid. Complain all you want about the deficiencies with hardware and software, but the OS is going to help Microsoft continue to dominate.
The HTC Touch Pro is a monster in the hardware department and looks like a great device, but it just won't matter because it's not a brand people trust and it's not hooked into Windows." - GREEDOnvrFIRED, on 07/15/2008, -1/+6thank you placid... that was hilarious.
- PhishTahko, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1You can't say that! You'll get dug the ***** down! How dare you imply Apple as a company is more locked-down than Microsoft?
- placidified, on 07/15/2008, -2/+10OK lets try that;
- emeralddragon, on 07/15/2008, -4/+9All the tweens I know get their music from torrents.
- riggs32, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3im 19 and pretty much none of my friends understand what torrents are. Most of them still pirate music off of limewire, and i got in a long argument with my friend today about why firefox destroys internet explorer. I wish i knew a few more ppl like the teenagers you refer too, cus its lonely being the only geek in the group lol
- Pake, on 07/15/2008, -2/+4iTunes might be the hottest thing right now, but Microsoft and Amazon have been gaining a lot of pace in the music selling business. Personally, I'm waiting on the HTC Touch Pro running Android.
- r3zonance, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1"but Microsoft and Amazon have been gaining a lot of pace in the music selling business."
Granted, but Apple is still the largest music retailer (out of both online and physical store) in the U.S. - PhishTahko, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Things never stay the same. Look at the Big3. How many US car manufacturers are turning a profit? Apple's time is now, but to think they'll stay on top is ignorant. Same goes for Google and MS.
- r3zonance, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1"but Microsoft and Amazon have been gaining a lot of pace in the music selling business."
- walugi, on 07/15/2008, -4/+5Are you an idiot? You must be to say HTC isn't a "trusted" brand. Some people actually want to get work done, those people aren't the ones using iPhones - however they're the same ones that trust brands like HTC. Ditto with iTunes, the most accepted bloatware on computers second only to Norton AV.
The only people that don't trust HTC are young hipster trendwhores that only recognise Apple as being the god of all things electronic.
/rant- r3zonance, on 07/15/2008, -1/+3Apple is a trusted brand with a 30 year history.
I only heard of HTC just over 1 year ago, when I bought my Orange SPV M600 (and discovered it was an HTC Prophet). And I'm in the technology industry. - dude001, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2You're obviously not very good at what you do then.
- r3zonance, on 07/15/2008, -1/+3Apple is a trusted brand with a 30 year history.
- NinjaJoey, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3Who are these people who "buy" music?
- ObamaWins08, on 07/15/2008, -14/+10Replace "Apple" with Microsoft, ecosystem with OS, and iTunes with Windows. Great, now you sound just like the people you hate.
- Hiji, on 07/14/2008, -4/+56Top 1 stupid ass blog posts.
- eyepatch100, on 07/15/2008, -0/+9especially since there are six...in the top 5...
- holymrack, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2Agreed. I'll give the author the fact that English probably isn't his native language but in this day and age can we really take an article that says this seriously?
"In addition it features many more SOFTWARES and games from the Windows Mobile stable."
I can haz windowz mobul - bpapa, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2One of the best comments I've seen on Digg in a long time. Bravo!
- dampeal, on 07/14/2008, -5/+18So let me get this straight.. if it's about the iPhone it gets dugg whether it's good or bad?! Gack..
- Wailord, on 07/14/2008, -9/+4I have a question. People say that Apple reinvented computers and such with a GUI and a mouse, which is true... iPods, by making it go all digital. While I love the iPhone to death, what exactly is it that everyone is trying to emulate? What has it changed in the market?
- MikeSetera, on 07/15/2008, -3/+16multitouch and mobile browsing, for starters.
- Murdats, on 07/15/2008, -4/+4tell that to opera who has had a mobile browser for a decade now.
- walugi, on 07/15/2008, -5/+3hahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah apple invented mobile browsing. Are you serious?! hahahahhahahahahah
- amdahlj, on 07/15/2008, -2/+6#1 You two need to learn to read. Reinvent/Change != Invent. You are arguing against what no one wrote.
#2 Apple reinvented mobile browsing by making it non-excruciatingly painful. Safari Mobile works because it renders the web in the most desktop-like manner suitable for a mobile phone (ie: everything but flash) and provides the most intuitive UI. It is light years ahead of explorer mobile, and miles ahead of Opera Mobile. Check out mobile browsing statistics and you will see that the Safari Mobile was almost immediately dominant after the release of the first iPhone, despite the fact that the iPhone made up only a small percentage of the smart phone market and that the iPhone was stuck on EDGE. Even with a slow EDGE connection, the statistics make it absolutely clear that iPhone users their browser more than users of any other phone in existence.
The iPhone might not be for everyone, but the evidence is overwhelming that iPhone has made mobile browsing much more tolerable for a great many people.
- Wakuko, on 07/15/2008, -4/+21The whole experience.
Buy one and you'll understand.
As others have pointed out, the ecosystem, the flawless GUI, the pleasure that is to use one, chicks digg it, and many more.
You will never get it until you buy one.- MiniCooper2007, on 07/15/2008, -1/+5Whoa chicks dig the iPhone? Phew, glad I'm getting on then. ha.
- walugi, on 07/15/2008, -7/+2Isn't this sad. The typical Apple fanboy spiel. You really lapped in up eh? A walking Apple pamphlet... sad.
- geoken, on 07/15/2008, -8/+4The only thing it has done is use it's advertising to open up the market. The market itself is progressing exactly as it would. The only difference is it has a lot more attention now because Apple has spent more than anyone else ever has to convince people they need a top tier phone.
That's not to say a phone of this caliber isn't useful, just that the layman was never properly shown what was so useful about it. - smashingmonkey, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1Apple made the smartphone "sexy" and everybody wins. Blackberry will surely see more business simply because more people are thinking about smartphones since the iPhone came on the market. We're talking about mass appeal for a market which was previously niche.
Want proof? Simply look at all of the people complaining about the price of the iPhone. Yes, it looks pretty expensive when you come from the cell phone world, but in the smartphone world, the price tag (including 3G data) isn't at all shocking. So all of these people who loudly proclaim that the iPhone is ridiculously expensive are only proving my point because they too are obviously thinking about smartphones for the first time.- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1I think you have a point there. The other important point, for me at least. is that it made the smart phone *useful*.
I've owned multiple smart phones (Palm, Sony-Ericsson and WinMo) and I found all of them worthless because they crashed or hung or were painfully slow. I found all the "smart" features just got in the way.
The iPhone fixed that, added GPS (which is super-cool, which my Nikon DSLR had that feature), smooth integration of all the features and of course iTMS. This makes the iPhone useful to me.
- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1I think you have a point there. The other important point, for me at least. is that it made the smart phone *useful*.
- blakebritton, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1Apple didn't 'invent' the GUI and Mouse. That wonderful invention goes to the Xerox Corporation.
- MikeSetera, on 07/15/2008, -3/+16multitouch and mobile browsing, for starters.
- DD00, on 07/14/2008, -8/+43The problem is these phones don't have Apple's software. The biggest reason I like my iPhone is the software. Companies can replicate all the features all they want, but having clunky, mediocre software like crackberrys is a huge step down.
Especially with the introduction of the App store.- geoken, on 07/15/2008, -6/+7What specific feature of the blackberry's or diamonds software is off-putting to you?
- jstone, on 07/15/2008, -16/+7You obviously don't understand the fanboy mind. To them, if it isn't apple, it isn't good.
- orph3us, on 07/15/2008, -3/+9i would guess primarily the web browser and interface. I personally don't like the track ball. Looking around Google maps, being able to pinch and zoom in pictures, seeking in movies by tapping exactly where you want to be...
- DeathJux, on 07/15/2008, -3/+12It's difficult to think of all the little touches Apple puts into their systems, as many of the most enjoyable bits are the subtleties.
For example, a really nice feature I like on the iPhone is the timer function, as you can be listening to music, and when the time rings it will gently fade out the music, and fade in the song/tone you choose to alert you. Other devices like this typically switch from music to alarm with a jarring suddenness. - amadeusdemarzi, on 07/15/2008, -3/+10Just about everything. It's clunky, quirky, ugly and unintuitive. I hate sitting there scrolling the delicate mouse wheel while trying to select those tiny icons...
- Murdats, on 07/15/2008, -7/+3@orph3us
all of those things you mentioned except the pinch I have been using for a long time, except replace google maps with an uncrippled version of tomtom, as for browser and interface, there are several to choose from under windows mobile, which is a good thing because *gasp* not everyone likes the same thing. - DD00, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3Just about everything. I used a Pearl for quite awhile for business and was pretty pleased with hit. It was a big step up from just a regular phone and it did everything I could ask for. Especially considering the amount of apps I could grab at any time for it.
Then the iPhone came out. It completely blows the BB out of the water. BB OS is a mess. Sure, it gets the job done but it is clunky, ugly and just gets by. Like I said, sure they can all copy the features, but the OS is the big difference. Even something like Google Maps on a BB isn't anything like Google Maps on the iPhone. It's cleaner, it can be used with numerous other features on the phone and most of their apps are the same.
- geoken, on 07/15/2008, -6/+7What specific feature of the blackberry's or diamonds software is off-putting to you?
- sonar1, on 07/14/2008, -2/+11those phones are expensive.
- duddy, on 07/14/2008, -6/+44Where's the App Store killer?
- geoken, on 07/15/2008, -13/+11It's called the internet. These other phone OS's don't force you to get apps from them.
- owlie, on 07/15/2008, -4/+3App store killer is open source dev
- EtherGnat, on 07/15/2008, -5/+8I'm not sure why you're getting dugg down geoken, there are lots of stores on the Internet to buy applications for other phones, or the developers may offer them directly. Handango alone has 4,426 applications for my phone.
Apparently iPhone users prefer to pay a 30% gratuity for limiting what applications they may install. It's a nice phone, but come on--locking you in to only buying apps from Apple is NOT a feature. - walugi, on 07/15/2008, -1/+3haha Apple fanboy's. They're so silly.
- speakafreaka, on 07/15/2008, -8/+9Dont know, but windows mobile applications have quite a head start? check www.handango.com or www.pocketgear.com. Plus theres a multitude of apps out for symbian handsets. what did you do before your iphone?
Apple isnt the first company allow third parites to develop software for phones.. or third party fixes for features they intentionally left out so they can charge you an "accounting fee" to upgrade later.- ericdano, on 07/15/2008, -2/+5STFU. The "accounting fee" is for the iPod Touch, not the iPhone. Moron.
- speakafreaka, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1The accounting fee was for 802.11g drivers too... watch this space when the third gen phone comes out and 1st gen users are stung with it.
- ssavoy, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2uhh "Get it Now", what else could be so feature rich?
/sarcasm - Evilblobs, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1Well for the iPhone in particular, i think its called installer.app
- geoken, on 07/15/2008, -13/+11It's called the internet. These other phone OS's don't force you to get apps from them.
- ObamaWins08, on 07/15/2008, -6/+13killer shmiller. It is all about personal preference. I was two seconds away from buying my wife an iPhone as a surprise when I found out it could not do mms. It is one of her favorite things to do, so I reconsidered, and bought a Tilt for that reason and a few others. (No Instinct as I had Sprint for service for my work cell and I don't think highly of the phone service.)
However, there are tons of apps the iPhone does well, and some interesting features (like free GPS compared to an extra $10 a month for Telenav with the Tilt).
Do the research, and get what is important to you!- tjex, on 07/15/2008, -4/+2If she knew you almost got her the iPhone but didn't, she'd hate you!
MMS can easily be added by Apple via a software update. I'm sure it's on the way.- ObamaWins08, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1I told her, and she appreciated my thoughtfulness...
- fractorial, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3GPS is free! GPS is free! You're only paying for that SERVICE, but using GPS satellites is free. I use Google Maps with my GPS on my Tilt and it runs perfectly (and freely, i should mention).
You can also buy the TomTom software for the phone and use that and it works like a charm.- ObamaWins08, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Thanks for the heads up, I'll look into google...
- tjex, on 07/15/2008, -4/+2If she knew you almost got her the iPhone but didn't, she'd hate you!
- daGUY, on 07/15/2008, -4/+55I love this. The iPhone's success is due to the quality and implementation of the features, not the quantity. This list tells me NOTHING about why any of these phones are actually better TO USE than the iPhone. Instead, they rattle off tech specs, like the 528 MHz processor in the HTC Touch Pro, as if that actually has an effect on how easy to use or intuitive the phone is.
It's quite funny, really, since this is the same exact thing that happened with the iPod. How many times did we hear some random device was going to be an "iPod killer" because it had features like a built-in radio?- placidified, on 07/15/2008, -2/+2"built-in radio"
Tuner: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/ ... - coloneltcb, on 07/15/2008, -0/+5don't forget the ever-important SD slot
- speakafreaka, on 07/15/2008, -6/+1Exactly.. it all has to do with how successful Apple is as a marketing company
- walugi, on 07/15/2008, -4/+3So you're saying the iPhones merits don't lie in the fact that it's a good phone, but it's just presented well. Under the covers it could be ***** as.
- placidified, on 07/15/2008, -2/+2"built-in radio"
- superkendall, on 07/15/2008, -4/+22I notice a lot of them have WIndows Mobile, with custom mutli-touch like solutions. All different.
That means, that software developed for them is generally not going to be multi-touch capable since there is not a unified API around touches like the iPhone offers.
Which means the devices are crippled right out of the gate.- Oddish, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2Yes, Windows Mobile = Fail
- zakatov, on 07/15/2008, -13/+11Yeah, those 128-288MB of memory will sure kill the iPhone. That's what... a whole quarter of an episode of a TV show?
- macgiants, on 07/15/2008, -3/+7I'm pretty sure they mean system memory... my HTC Mogul shipped with 512MB of storage on a microSD card. And a whopping 64MB of memory! That being said, the Touch Pro is a couple of generations newer. And just to put things back on topic, having used Windows Mobile for about a year now I think it'll be awhile before any WM device will come close to an iPhone killer... this phone has been pretty awful in the UI dept.
- locojones, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2Oh yeah, Windows Mobile is so technologically difficult for the inept, I don't know how they ever managed to figure out how to click Start, and then click the menu icon that is associated with the program they want to run. The humanity of it all!!!
- macgiants, on 07/15/2008, -1/+7It's pretty difficult to use when the thing is so damn slow you can watch the rectangles draw when hitting the Start menu. It's also pretty damn difficult to use when you look at the time and realize the clock is off by an hour and a half - because the damn thing crashed. Blame the user (me) all you want. I just want a phone that works, and unfortunately WM isn't up to snuff.
- Poltron, on 07/15/2008, -0/+4Noob, that's RAM memory...
- EtherGnat, on 07/15/2008, -0/+6Apparently you're not aware of the difference between RAM and flash memory.
- S68x, on 07/15/2008, -0/+4Memory = RAM
Storage = Storage - zakatov, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Y'all are right, but why the hell would they mention RAM and not how much actual information they can hold?
- macgiants, on 07/15/2008, -3/+7I'm pretty sure they mean system memory... my HTC Mogul shipped with 512MB of storage on a microSD card. And a whopping 64MB of memory! That being said, the Touch Pro is a couple of generations newer. And just to put things back on topic, having used Windows Mobile for about a year now I think it'll be awhile before any WM device will come close to an iPhone killer... this phone has been pretty awful in the UI dept.
- cd_RW, on 07/15/2008, -4/+4I really, really wish I could afford that nokia n96. I mean I really wish.
- rpark, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3I bought an n76 and it was awesome!
Until the paint started chipping off for no apparent reason. 2 battery malfunctions and a dead cell phone later, I can safely say that I am not going to buy another Nokia product in the near future. They have to make a phone that can last more than a year (especially one that costs $500). I've never felt so ripped off in my life. Also, the UI was only subpar, I felt like I was using any ole cellphone and not the powerhouse that it is supposed to be.
Sony, however, has one of the best UI's until the iPhone came about with top notch build quality. I would highly recommend these as an iPhone alternative.
I hate to say it, none of these phones are going to kill the iPhone.
- rpark, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3I bought an n76 and it was awesome!
- postalblowfish7, on 07/15/2008, -2/+22...all won't kill the iPhone.
- micklerlop, on 07/15/2008, -1/+18yawn...
- jnordb, on 07/15/2008, -0/+7FTA : "The other features are almost same as the Touch Pro which mean that it pretty much pawns the iPhone 3G except in the UI department." At least it doesn't rook the iPhone......
- AparoidX, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1I'm scared to think that they were trying to use "pwn" in that sentence
- enigmaneo, on 07/15/2008, -1/+9let's start a movement to rid dig of all of these stupid lists.
- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2First we need to create a list of all these stupid lists!
- roxgod666, on 07/15/2008, -9/+2man i hate the iphone i liked the old days when our phones had a simple game of snake on it
- abagchee, on 07/15/2008, -1/+9Dugg down for using "killer"
- jswaby, on 07/15/2008, -0/+10Probably not going to kill the iPhone, but what about the Blackberry Bold?
- osko2052, on 07/15/2008, -2/+6BlackBerry Thunder
- superkendall, on 07/15/2008, -4/+4All flash and no sizzle
- osko2052, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Exactly the iphone, all flash, no sizzle.
- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -2/+3What about the BlackBerry Damp Squib? Or the BlackBerry Loud Fart?
- osko2052, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Ever hear of Google?
- superkendall, on 07/15/2008, -4/+4All flash and no sizzle
- miggyb, on 07/15/2008, -1/+46Remember how we had iPods everywhere, and then there came all these iPod killers, and now Apple doesn't make iPods anymore?
Oh *****, wait.- billymo, on 07/15/2008, -3/+5I'm not exactly disagreeing with the sentiment, but there is one major difference between cell phones and mp3 players - Apple arrived relatively early and built around iTunes while Creative, Rio et al just made a player.
The mobile industry is more mature. RIM, Nokia, Samsung, and LG aren't going to sit back and let the iPhone be their end, and HTC is becoming a major player. They may have needed the industry changed a little, but it's not anything like the way the mp3 player market folded under the iPod.
Not only that, hitching to AT&T exclusively limits their expansion to a certain degree as well.- MxM111, on 07/15/2008, -0/+5But if anything, having iTunes and iPod makes things much easier for iPhone, then it was for iPod when it appeared.
- thePhallex, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2"RIM, Nokia, Samsung, and LG aren't going to sit back and let the iPhone be their end"
but all they can do now is ... sit back and watch.
Until a user interface comes along that is as polished, easy to use and crash-free as what Apple makes, nobody stands a chance. - mohrt, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1apple's contract with at&t is 3 years, so we'll have to wait to see other carriers.
- billymo, on 07/15/2008, -3/+5I'm not exactly disagreeing with the sentiment, but there is one major difference between cell phones and mp3 players - Apple arrived relatively early and built around iTunes while Creative, Rio et al just made a player.
- petaganayr, on 07/15/2008, -3/+1No.6: Use your head, think and be practical.
- MxM111, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Obviously people do not do that and digg down you instead. Go figure...
- thePhallex, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1isn't the term, "buried" ?
- MxM111, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Obviously people do not do that and digg down you instead. Go figure...
- theantidote, on 07/15/2008, -3/+21I'm sorry but since when is Mobile IE equal to or better than Mobile Safari? Desktop IE isn't even better than desktop Safari!
You can't just gloss over web browsing saying that they all do it equally as well as the iPhone because that is one of the iPhone's main selling points and coolest features: the web (not just a stripped-down mobile web) in your pocket.
Windows Mobile immediately makes the UI and Web Browser a downgrade from the iPhone. You can put lipstick on a pig with "TouchFlo 3D Super Multi Touch" interfaces for WinMo but it's still a pig underneath it all and it will still frolic in the mud.- superkendall, on 07/15/2008, -1/+8I'll go further and say desktop IE is not as good as mobile Safari.
Certainly not as standards compliant anyway. - fractorial, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1Mobile IE is the disgrace of Windows Mobile. But no one in the Windows Mobile community uses it. Opera Mini is just as feature packed as Mobile Safari, except for different zooming levels, and Opera Mobile that's now out supports flash embedded into webpages. Opera Mini/Mobile give you full web browsing, and there are other options as well. Skyfire is another browser attempting to render full webpages (flash and ajax and everything perfectly), as with Netfront Browser.
Do a bit of research into Windows Mobile. You'll realize that it just takes a couple minutes of getting the right programs. - locojones, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1Funny how you overlook the customization and freedom of control that a windows mobile user has. Unlike Safari, a WM user isn't bound to whatever browser the manufacturer dictates that they use. A WM user can go out and choose from a variety of different browsers, many of which are superior to Safari on a handheld.
- MadKennyP, on 07/15/2008, -1/+3Great. This is exactly what the average cell phone user wants to do when he or she purchases a new cell phone . . . now, let's see . . . where am I supposed to go to download a real browser again?
- thePhallex, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1do the mobile browsers other than Safari auto-expand in either portrait or landscape mode when you rotate the device? cause I sure love that feature.
- superkendall, on 07/15/2008, -1/+8I'll go further and say desktop IE is not as good as mobile Safari.
- anarchyx34, on 07/15/2008, -2/+6None of them are mainstream enough to dethrone the Iphone. Apple has built a system where everything works with everything else seamlessly.
- bumblefoot, on 07/15/2008, -1/+3a market with almost 1 billion sales annually and the apple have sold what 6 million phones? compared to someone like nokia who sold 440 million in 2007
yeah the other phones aren't as mainstream as the iphone
- bumblefoot, on 07/15/2008, -1/+3a market with almost 1 billion sales annually and the apple have sold what 6 million phones? compared to someone like nokia who sold 440 million in 2007
- rytr23, on 07/15/2008, -3/+15give me a break.. outside of the Omnia, none of them have bigger than a 2.8 in screen.. which sucks after using an iphone. Not to mention they use "softwares" in this blog. They looooove WinMo over there... and I love the line "TouchFLO 3d is better than the iphone"...umm, I fail to see how a bolt-on UI enhancement, which only runs a scant few functions is even in the same ballpark as a complete OS UI, by that I mean, everything runs like the iphone UI, not just a few pieces. And, the TF3D is slow and laggy..
If anything, it will be Nokias next version OS(touch, assuming a complete rewrite) or Winmo7 (not holding my breath) or the BB thunder.. those might compete.. these are just the latest revision of the garbage coing from redmond and Espoo..
Great article! Truly batch of "killers". digitgeek =FAIL.- joel8x, on 07/15/2008, -0/+4I dug you up for bitching about annoying people saying "softwares"
- Poltron, on 07/15/2008, -16/+15I went to the AT&T store to buy the iPhone and came out empty handed not because they weren't any in stock, but because the iPhone isn't that smart of a phone. List of what you can't do on iPhone:
1. You can't record video
2. You can't send MMS (multimedia text messages)
3. You can't share files via bluetooth with other devices
4. You can't put your keyboard sideways to type
5. You can't disable the extremely pestering 'predictive text' (I was looking up 'Subaru Sti' on Google, but the phone kept correcting me and replaced STi for Sri.)
Having an iPhone is like having a trophy wife.- digjam, on 07/15/2008, -3/+9When Verizon came out with Motorola v710 claiming it to be a bluetooth phone while in reality it did not allow file transfers....Verizon got sued...Now Apple and ATT are doing the same thing..and no one talks a thing!
HYPOCRISY at its BEST!- tjex, on 07/15/2008, -2/+3Apple never claimed the iPhone did video recording, MMS and all your other wish lists.
- digjam, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1FYI: I am talking about Bluetooth 2.0. Read the comment first before commenting!!!
- tjex, on 07/15/2008, -2/+3Apple never claimed the iPhone did video recording, MMS and all your other wish lists.
- superkendall, on 07/15/2008, -5/+17Yeah right you went to the store, all of that was known ages ago. Now what's wrong with that list I wonder:
1) I think you can with jailbreak apps, if you must have video.
2) You can email photos, much nicer for everyone (not everyone has MMS phones)
3) In all the years I owned bluetooth devices that could do that, I didn't
4) Yes you can - in some apps (most notably, safari).
5) Yes you can turn that off, in preferences. But it's the key to fast typing. You hit the "x" on the suggestion to disallow it as well if you do not wish to disable the correction.- Poltron, on 07/15/2008, -3/+81. What phone doesn't include videos now-a-days.
2. I can receive photos via MMS on my Nokia 6100... 6 years ago.
3. I just finished printing out pictures of my kid from my Blackjack 2. Via bluetooth.
4. I want it sideways to text. Not just for safari.
5. The key to fast typing isn't having to go to preferences to disable predictive texting. Because I couldn't find it. - superkendall, on 07/15/2008, -5/+81) The freaking iPhone. Perhaps you've heard of it? Honestly for who is video really a feature of more importance than almost any other thing the phone does.
2) I can receive MMS on my iPhone too, by going to a web site. But MMS is stupid when you can use email, it's a technology from the time when things like emailing photos was not practical.
3) And I can have them printed from iPhoto, or email them elsewhere to be printed.
4) Choose a third party app then, I think a number of mobile IM clients allow for sideways keyboards. SMS is just one app.
5) Like I said, the key to fast typing is to leave it on and just dismiss corrections you do not like. That's why it's hard to find, because it's really not a good idea to disable it.
And I noticed you never addressed the point I made that your supposed store visit was made up just so you could rant. - Poltron, on 07/15/2008, -2/+4I was so caught up responding to your rebutals that I forgot to tell you that I was at the store the day after it was released. There were about 30 phones still in stock when I got there. I'm not saying that my BlackJack 2 is better than the iPhone, but that features you would expect the phone to come with are not included. The iPhone brings a lot of good new things (GPS, regular headset jack, bigger hard drives) but it still lacks features that should come out the box. Just to put it in perspective for you, would you expect your top of the line car to not include a MP3 CD Player? My best friends Corolla has an MP3 CD player. http://www.darkfire.net/~mrb/images/retarded.jpg
- locojones, on 07/15/2008, -0/+9Everyone who has a phone has an MMS capable phone (except for the iPhone douchebags), that's why it's called a standard, and that's why it's inconceivable that Apple didn't include it.
- incandescent, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Not everyone has MMS? Maybe that's true in the US, I don't know, but in the rest of the world everyone does have MMS. It's the established standard. Apple's attitude to MMS is as stupid as it is arrogant. And don't rant on about email being better. Most people don't use email on their phones so it just isn't an option.
- rimantas, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Uhm, yes. My phone does have MMS. I don't use MMS. Because it is a crap.
And I guess that's the reason iPhone does not have MMS. It does not have floppy drive too.
Remember those? Floppies. Were a "standard feature" once upon the time.
- Poltron, on 07/15/2008, -3/+81. What phone doesn't include videos now-a-days.
- theantidote, on 07/15/2008, -3/+4A lot of those things are missing features, but remember that they can be added on with software upgrades and third party apps.
Also you can turn the keyboard sideways to type, but only in mobile safari. For some reason you can't in Mail or any other iPhone apps made by Apple. Weird missing feature.
You disable the predictive text by just touching the suggestion that pops up under the word, that's why there's an X in that little bubble with the suggested word: so you can close it and keep whatever you typed.- incandescent, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Features can only be (legally) added by apps if Apple sees fit to allow them onto iTunes. Why on earth isn't there an MSN app? Why on earth isn't there an MMS app after so many people complaining about the omission? And the the crappy camera and battery can't be fixed by software.
- clak, on 07/15/2008, -3/+10Other phones don't have:
1. A Wide Screen Video iPod
2. Multi-Touch
3. Safari Mobile
4. An App Store or iTunes Music
5. Visual Voice Mail, Visual Call Swap, Visual Call Merge
And I don't know where you got the idea that you can't turn the keyboard sideways to type. You can do this with Safari, but it's not enabled for e-mail YET... Remember when everyone was complaining about the lack of a Wi-Fi Store, Ringtones, double tap for periods, 3G, GPS, mass e-mail delete, etc, etc?
It's called a software update. Apple is not standing still and neither are iPhone developers.- MxM111, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2What? You can upload you own files for ringtones now?
- BurgerPunch, on 07/15/2008, -0/+0Yes… you have been able to for months
- incandescent, on 07/15/2008, -1/+11 - No, but the have wide screen video media players. Not much of a difference is it.
2 - Yes they do, there are no several phones with multi-touch
3 - Plenty of phones with IE or Opera on them them.
4 - iTunes is one of the worst aspects of the Apple franchise - it's so much more locked down than the Microsoft platform ever was. I can only install apps that Steve Jobs approves of.
5 - Big deal.
- joel8x, on 07/15/2008, -0/+6That argument... Really? I guess you also don't like a hot chick who can't cook, clean, or balance your checking account, but can ***** like a porn star and mix a mean drink for you after she makes you finish on her chin. Sometimes you gotta let the overwhelming positives overshadow the negatives my virgin friend.
- shank2001, on 07/15/2008, -0/+3Well you have good taste in cars, but your taste in phones is atrocious. You will be kicking yourself that you didn't get an iPhone. And that predictive text.... it is the best predictive text I have seen on an iPhone, and guess what.. next time you put in STI (it is STI not STi) it will have learned from your previous correction (just hit the X by the correction to override) and it will not suggest Sri. Best phone I have ever used, and I have owned a lot of smartphones and PDAs. And you can turn that off, but why would you want to?? IT WORKS! Especially after it has gone through some learning.
- rebotfc, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2You had to go to an AT&T store to find that out? I smell *****.
- DD00, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1I love my iPhone and I kind of agreed with the 'predictive type' sentiment. That was until I realized that it actually 'learns' what you type and will remember things like that next time you type them.
So sure the first time or two it might try to correct you, which is very easy to not let it do, but after that it will even correct to the new word it has learned. Like my last name, any time I type it it capitalizes it for me. Great feature in the end.
- digjam, on 07/15/2008, -3/+9When Verizon came out with Motorola v710 claiming it to be a bluetooth phone while in reality it did not allow file transfers....Verizon got sued...Now Apple and ATT are doing the same thing..and no one talks a thing!
- eyepatch100, on 07/15/2008, -0/+8The Six Top Five iPhone Killers.
- haastyle, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2yah someone can't count
- RickFedor, on 07/15/2008, -7/+10More like top 5 phones that will be billed as iPhone killers and then never actually be seen in use by anyone
- Scott2, on 07/15/2008, -2/+12It's not a killer until it actually overcomes the iPhone in terms of everything. Up until then, it's an iPhone competitor.
- ShakataGaNai, on 07/15/2008, -2/+2I think the iPhone has done wonders for the mobile phone market. In the matter of a few years, leaps and bounds have been made - all because other companies have to "keep up" with Apple. And while I like the iPhone (not that I have one) and it's fully integrated ecosystem (making all things easy)... I'd rather have something that runs WiMo (gasp, as a Linux bigot it pains me to say that). One day I'd like to get an OpenMoko - but it just isn't there yet.
What I'm interested to see how many of these new phones actually pick up more media centric features. I've got an AT&T Tilt now, and sure I can play music on it - but it doesn't have a headphone jack. Plus, Windows Media play is a bit... clunky when you compare it to other device.... like the iPhone.- pumah, on 07/15/2008, -1/+0http://www.amazon.com/Headset-Adapter-PPC6800-Veri ...
no headphone jack indeed. neither did my motorola slvr with itunes.- shank2001, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1You have GOT to be kidding
- pumah, on 07/15/2008, -1/+0http://www.amazon.com/Headset-Adapter-PPC6800-Veri ...
- mochaman, on 07/15/2008, -1/+4Calling these devices i***** Killer for the last 6 years has been a sure way to jinx the competition.
- earnjam, on 07/15/2008, -6/+19"Whatever features the iPhone lacks in, the Omnia makes up for it in the best possible way. It is powered by Windows Mobile 6.1"
I stopped at windows mobile. - Insomaniac24, on 07/15/2008, -4/+5The iPhone isn't going anywhere. Get used to it. It's just gonna get more and more popular. They've got the best UI, and frankly...The "Cool factor". Everyone wants an iPhone.
- username7410, on 07/15/2008, -2/+2iPhone kills your father and rapes your mother. iPhone rules all!!!
- newbill123, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Interestingly I was actually expecting something like that argument to be the last iPhone 3G killer.... the next and previous iPhone models.
The 3G isn't such a compelling hardware upgrade that it demands first generation owners upgrade. And of course there's always the argument that the next version will be even better if you can just wait it out. If iPhone 3G sales wind up being disappointing a major part will be because this is seen as a middle model. - incandescent, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1But will they buy another Apple phone when they realise how awful the battery in the iPhone 3G is or after all the problems with it this week (which still continue?)
- rimantas, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1by awful battery you mean best 3G talk time?
- waydee, on 07/15/2008, -8/+5Just because the simple functionality brought by the iPhone amazes American Apple fanboys doesn't mean that the rest of the world feels the same way, the specs of the iPhone are pitiful by European/Asian standards of years ago let alone versus the current generation of phones.
Besides, the iPhone is just an LG Prada clone. Right?- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2Huh huh and huh?
I think you're missing the point, but don't feel bad people much smarter than you have as well.
It's not about the feature list, it's about how the whole thing works. And missing features that I don't use (e.g. MMS) aren't missing for me (or other people who've bought an iPhone).
One feature I am glad to be without is a phone that crashes or hangs (which happened regularly with the Palm, Sony-Ericsson and WinMo phones I've had).
Oh and I am pretty sure the LG Prada came out after the iPhone was announced and doesn't integrate with iTMS and doesn't have GPS. Remember the point I made about the whole experience?
- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2Huh huh and huh?
- dizilbdog, on 07/15/2008, -2/+10You know an Iphone Killer doesn't have to be a Touch Screen. Too bad Nokia can't get ATT to subsidize some of there better phones.
- bizarrojack, on 07/15/2008, -4/+1agree * 1000. All touch screens, especially those on phones, suck a marmot's dysentery with fish sauce. I hope that in a few years VH1 will be making fun of how awesome people seemed to think they were, for a while.
- bizarrojack, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1oh shoot, I sound like some weird vh1 fanboy. Hopefully that show will be off the air too, so we'll have to make fun of old fads on our own.
- DJRobX, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1It kinda does. Browsing without a touch screen ... sucks.
- bizarrojack, on 07/15/2008, -4/+1agree * 1000. All touch screens, especially those on phones, suck a marmot's dysentery with fish sauce. I hope that in a few years VH1 will be making fun of how awesome people seemed to think they were, for a while.
- Alphapsi12, on 07/15/2008, -5/+2Love or hate it, the iPhone 3g is here. If you don't like it or can't afford it, then don't buy it because I don't see an AT&T/Apple employee holding a gun to your head. Certain products go after different markets. To some MMS, video recording, cut and past, etc. is a/are deal breaker(s). Calling a product ____x____ killer is just childish. A lot of people are complaining about the price/plan prices, but have they taken a step back to compare the cost of all these "iPhone 3G killers?" I would imagine a greater majority of these handsets are substantially more expensive than the product they are created to kill.
- hansolo, on 07/15/2008, -1/+5You have pretty much lost if your product is being called iPhone killer.
It makes the customer think of the iPhone and would look at it. - SuperJimmyJimbo, on 07/15/2008, -0/+4at least they didnt call them iKillers
- countersoldat, on 07/15/2008, -2/+4The only thing those phones are going to kill is your wallet....
I mean they are awesome, and I am not saying I would not love to have the Touch Pro or the XPERIA, but I mean their price range is waaaaay out there. People have been floating $800 for the N96.... - phogasmic, on 07/15/2008, -2/+2Unless they have an App Store, they will not be killing the IPhone. For me the games and the radio apps like Pandora have taken the IPhone to a whole other level, that is going to be hard for these other phones to surpass, at least until Android comes out.
- locojones, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1You mean sites like Handango that have umpteem thousands of apps available? And at last count, I saw 4 different ways of streaming Pandora on WM.
- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2Yes but that's the point. For the iPhone I go to one place, iTMS, to find *all* the apps (and developers get a pretty sweet deal selling through iTMS) and I have an integrated way of paying for, downloading and managing my applications.
Contrast that with any other phone. - locojones, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1No way? You mean just like the Handango InHand software on every WM device that does the exact same thing that lets you browse apps by whatever criteria you want, purchase, and download all from within the phone? Not so much of a contrast now is it?
- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2Yes but that's the point. For the iPhone I go to one place, iTMS, to find *all* the apps (and developers get a pretty sweet deal selling through iTMS) and I have an integrated way of paying for, downloading and managing my applications.
- locojones, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1You mean sites like Handango that have umpteem thousands of apps available? And at last count, I saw 4 different ways of streaming Pandora on WM.
- rainbabyj, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2
- kuturak, on 07/15/2008, -0/+0lol, great comment, mate. :)
- ramsinks.com, on 07/15/2008, -4/+4Yeah... I want my phone running f'n windows.. pfft.
- digjam, on 07/15/2008, -3/+1I m sure if HTC releases its PRO with such a fanfare..it will stump iPhone soon...but thats aint gonna happen!
- bumblefoot, on 07/15/2008, -3/+5i said this when the first gen ipod came out and im still saying it now, the only things the iphone has brought to the table that didn't exist elsewhere on other mobile/cell phones are, multi touch compatible screen and a very nice UI (it'd be nicer if you could use custom themes, and yes i know about summerboard for jailbroken iphones). everything else has already been implemented elsewhere, another major criticism i had at the time was the pricing, because i live in the uk almost all cell/mobile phones are subsidised heavily by the carrier, meaning whereas the list price for say a nokia N95 is £250-300 if you sign up for a 12-18 month contract you get the phone for between free and £150, apple have addressed this with the iphone 3g, and they've brought some other cool features to the table that brings them on par with the advancements made by other manufacturers, BUT remember the global market for cell/mobile phones is somewhere around a billion phones sold a year, apple are not the dominate force in the phone market as they are with the mp3 player market, every new phone is dubbed the iphone killer, why would you try to topple something thats barely even at a 1% market share?
- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2You missed the one really important things the iPod (and iPhone) bring to the market: smooth integration.
That's the killer feature that no-one else has come close (or even appears to have tried) to competing on.
Oh yeah. And unlike every other smart 'phone I've ever used: the iPhone has never hung whilst performing the advanced act of making a 'phone call...
- CountBrass, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2You missed the one really important things the iPod (and iPhone) bring to the market: smooth integration.
- mentor972, on 07/15/2008, -2/+3Those apps these "iPhone Killers" run are gre... AWWWWWWW!
- hiro, on 07/15/2008, -2/+1Fail. The huge range of superb WinMo appa make the App Store look a bit pathetic. Try not to talk about things without finding out facts first eh?
- BurgerPunch, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1oh yeah like 3 months or so dev time VS YEARS OF DEV TIME!
come back in 6 months and the AppStore will make the whole windows mobile industry look like a ***** joke with the quality of apps on offer
- BurgerPunch, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1oh yeah like 3 months or so dev time VS YEARS OF DEV TIME!
- hiro, on 07/15/2008, -2/+1Fail. The huge range of superb WinMo appa make the App Store look a bit pathetic. Try not to talk about things without finding out facts first eh?
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