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Microsoft Vs. Linux: Get the facts - The real ones

kfwebs.net — The man behind http://secure-my-email.com/ weighs in on the Microsoft "Get The Facts" campaign and discusses what Microsoft fails to mention...

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morgajel 2 years 246 days ago, made popular 2 years 246 days ago

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pvera, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Very good, ++dig
diggmann, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0http://unrule.info/files/linux_is_bad.gif
unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0where is the LoOVEe
redman5419, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Get the facts - the real ones. No, not those real ones. Not those, either, this set. Riiiiight over here, further down the list. Yes, I know that those were all the real facts, too, but...
headswine, on 10/12/2007, -3/+038 diggs and it's front page????

Good article though...

http://www.gfx.com
g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I wanted to read it but there were so many words and so few pictures I got intimidated.
illegal_op, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Good read, i digg it
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ricmitch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1link's dead
steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I tried to go to page 2 and the site went down. At least now I know how to spell which, I spell it which not witch woot
LooterMcBeer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The real facts are that his server sucks
mylobean, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Kristian Fiskerstrand, the author of the article in question is a known saboteur and possible open source hippie.

Get the full story and the rest of the excuses at excuse calendar.
tupuli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Due to Internet Explorer's interaction with the Operating System (Windows) this lack of knowledge can be quite damaging for the system. Alternative applications, such as Mozilla Foundation's browser Firefox run in application space and has potentially less damage for the system than Internet Explorer, which traditionally has had problems e.g. with its ActiveX extension features."

Is he claiming that IE runs in kernel space? That seems unreasonable. I have heard that some portion of the Window's GUI runs in kernel space, but never an application.
o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This site has ALREADY been diggdotted. It's probably running on a toaster modded to run Linux.
mikehdow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I was hoping for a true comparison with the article, which it is not. It's someone who is trying to argue against an idenpendent study by using his own prejudices and a few anecdotes thrown in.
Ugli, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3"I stopped using Microsoft software completely several years ago. My primary operating system (OS) is GNU/Linux, usually one of Mandriva or Gentoo. I have gotten several of my friends to use either GNU/Linux or Mac OS X..."

No need to read another inch. Another day, another evangelical zealot telling the "truth" as he sees it. It's becoming increasingly clear that Linux has nothing to do with software, and everything to do with politics.
tupuli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ugli

Is it really fair to generalize this guy's opinion to all Linux users?
shedao, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This is all true. I installed linux and my penis girth increased by an inch overnight.
zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0"No need to read another inch. Another day, another evangelical zealot telling the "truth" as he sees it. It's becoming increasingly clear that Linux has nothing to do with software, and everything to do with politics."

STFU. Where are you condemning Microsoft? They are more biased than this guy.
cyanidenfs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0the guy is a jackass...
dont listen to him...get the facts yourself ;)
Shalabi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I, for one, would rather pay for for an OS that's usable rather than get one for free in 90% of the software industry doesn't develop for.
kalphegor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1windows is better for end-user more that linux or mac os x are

no digg
Brutis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2dude is a moron, doesnt get the big picture that not everyone is a linux/security geek like himself

no digg, and i use linux
dwightfrank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2wow---that article hurt my ADD.
and he's way off on the risk of lost revenue while publishing with MS apps. The business community uses the stuff because it works. Yup it costs money to buy that stuff, but we're happy to buy stuff that everyone else in the world uses.
Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.kfwebs.net.nyud.net:8090/articles/article/29/Get+the+facts+-+The+real+ones

Even though it seems to be up again...
peregrine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2kalphegor
have you ever used Ubuntu? My mom/grandmother/sister/grandpa all use Ubuntu and love it, they get frustrated when things don't work in Windows and work in Linux in fact they prefer linux. If end user you mean rocks then I supose windows would be better.

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bluehouse, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0So Microsoft sucks because your friends are stupid?
rafgar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Meh, it's been crushed under the digg effect. From what I'm seeing of the comments though, I'm skeptical (this coming from a hardcore Linux geek). The last thing I'd want to see is something like M$'s propaganda machine from the other side.

Then again, with the number of M$ fan-boys who bash Linux out of cluelessness, so the comments thus far are probably skewed.
LooterMcBeer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2~~~~"Then again, with the number of M$ fan-boys who bash Linux out of cluelessness, so the comments thus far are probably skewed."~~~~

That is on of the funniest comments ive ever read. Its pretty much the other way around for some reason in the computing world running linux is the "Cool" thing to do. Yeah everything YOU do works on linux cause your a nerd most people dont do those things on their computers and for most people linux is harder to use and the apps that they would typically run suck on linux compared to windows. Office is a perfect example and dont even tell me open office is better cause its not its a damn good alternative but its not better
Eldoo77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Get the facts... from my lame blog. How does this help linux adoption?? digg--
Dangerman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1He's skewed, but M$ is still a waaay bigger hassle to admin, even for a small business. Windows was built for desktops and it ought to stay there.
HarryBauzonia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"It's becoming increasingly clear that Linux has nothing to do with software, and everything to do with politics."

My politics have been running for 437 days without a reboot.
akinder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Microsoft Vs Linux: Get the Facts, the REAL Facts written by a Linux zealot against evil Micro$oft. See the $, they're evil, making money from software is evil.
StatusQuoRules, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I don't use/like Linux, but everyone probably knows Microsoft facts are bullsh!t!
HarryBauzonia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed with Dangerman.

I put XP on the workstations - because XP runs the apps we need (which aren't written for Linux).
I put Linux on the servers - because the linux server apps are easier to administer, more stable, have no licensing hassles.

It's all about using the right tool for the job. Having religious convictions about an OS will keep my company from making money.
akinder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"My politics have been running for 437 days without a reboot."

Because using OpenOffice and Firefox really taxes a system. Well, Firefox might, as it eats 2-3 sticks of RAM on startup.
Dangerman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Here come the asbestos underpants...
"That is on of the funniest comments ive ever read."
Yes it is on isn't it.
"Yeah everything YOU do works on linux cause your a nerd most people dont do those things on their computers and for most people linux is harder to use and the apps that they would typically run suck on linux compared to windows."
At least I have apostrophes on Linux, does M$ charge more for that feature? Also, "your" is possessive, whereas "you're" is a contraction of "you are".
iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this is a waste of time
if you're going to spend mega bucks, put up test systems to see which one is going to fit you better, then buy something. Dont go off of some fanboys babblings, or MS sponsored "tests". Hire some decent IT folks (e.g. not some 10.00 / hr joe blow) and pay them well and let them fit the best solution for you, or better yet, just outsource it to IBM.
coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"This is just tons of linux fud against microsoft all compiled into one article"

you are a moron. How about you actually try gnu/linux before making backward claims. everyone knows microsoft is the spreader of fud, in fact, the term fud was coined largely due to microsoft.
coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0thousands of developers coding a product for free just have to be lying. Everyone knows large companies who sell their software for price and post 'independant' comparisons against competitors just have to be telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

come on, this is microsoft we're talking about, when have they been notorious for telling the truth? every windows release since 95 had an installer that claimed greater security in those stupid billboards, where is this security? the whole get the 'facts' is just microsoft trying to promote their clearly inferior products by smearing the competition and hiding their sponsorship of the articles making it appear independant. They've done it before, and they're doing it now. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1"I, for one, would rather pay for for an OS that's usable rather than get one for free in 90% of the software industry doesn't develop for."

Linux _is_ usable, quite usable, it's not our fault you are too stupid to use it.
rafgar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"That is on of the funniest comments ive ever read. Its pretty much the other way around for some reason in the computing world running linux is the "Cool" thing to do."
Maybe because, unlike Windows, once it's configured and working the way you want, it stays that way. And before you say it, the average user CAN'T install Windows. I can prove this by virtue of the number of people who bring me their computers just because they want Windows reinstalled and can't do it themselves.

"Yeah everything YOU do works on linux cause your a nerd most people dont do those things on their computers and for most people linux is harder to use and the apps that they would typically run suck on linux compared to windows."
Let's leave what I do at work out of it and focus on what I do at home. I browse the net, I play music, I watch movies, I keep track of my finances, I play games like Unreal Tournament and Guild Wars, I send e-mails, occasionally type something up or burn a CD...Hrm, seems like at home I do pretty much the same stuff as everyone else. And pretty much everything I do that stuff with I pulled of Synaptic, the easiest way to install software every (yes, it even beats setup.exe because you don't have to go find it).

"Office is a perfect example and dont even tell me open office is better cause its not its a damn good alternative but its not better"
How so? Open Office matches all the functionality of MS Office except e-mail, and Thunderbird's better than Outlook anyway. Hell, it's even as easy to use as MS Office.
sauron256, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Cool, so some guy with a server on "teh interweb" is the expert on all things Linux & Microsoft?

So he uses Linux. Good on him. Doesn't make him an expert on the issue. No digg.
myskja, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wake me up when Linux runs my favorite programs.
LooterMcBeer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Rafgar - Dont get me wrong here im the same as you a nerd i run BSD at home and Mac osx primarily i have a few windows boxes for gaming but thats all they are used for. For me and you sure thunderbird and open office are easier to use, some flavor of unix works fine for us no problems but its because we know what we are doing therefore it just seems easy to do its not that way for the average user. The average user COULD install windows if they had a set of balls on them but they are just too scared of their machines. The average user could not install linux. As much as we all wish its undebateable that MS is the better solution for the average computer user.
j0keR, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"kalphegor
have you ever used Ubuntu? My mom/grandmother/sister/grandpa all use Ubuntu and love it, they get frustrated when things don't work in Windows and work in Linux in fact they prefer linux. If end user you mean rocks then I supose windows would be better."

I installed Ubuntu on my second computer, and the goddamn wireless card doesn't work. ndiswrapper claims that it should work, though it doesn't. I just gave up and went on using Windows. No driver support, no software support, no games, ***** it. I want my apps to work, and quite honestly I'm already not paying for Windows. Open source is a good idea on paper, but it doesn't appear to work in practice.
ctheory, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Decent article, but for the love of christ, if you're going to portray yourself as some sort of journalist, please use proper grammar.
chriszma666, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1My computer retarded faimly uses Ubuntu. If your bitching that linux is too hard to use then you just suck at understanding computers. And to the guy that said no driver support, I don't know what network car you're using but all of mine work fine out of the box with Ubuntu.
shedao, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I don't know what network car you're using but all of mine work fine out of the box with Ubuntu."

Cards that have proprietary drivers are not supported natively by Debian and hence not supported by Ubuntu. I had a similiar experience using Debian with a wifi card, ndiswrapper wasn't working with the supplied driver so I did a little research, went out and bought a card supported by madwifi, and installed that instead. The first card was a POS I bought for $20, I can't remember the chipset but I still have it if you want details.

Mainstream driver support in linux has always lagged behind windows, just the nature of the beast. Now go get ya shine box!

To all newbs I recommend doing research about the hardware before you purchase it. Yes even in windows. Don't assume anything.
Dangerman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"Open source is a good idea on paper, but it doesn't appear to work in practice."
Considering that the majority websites are served using open source technology and coded using open source languages which interact with open source DBs, I'm going to have to say that you have no idea what you are talking about.
It seems to me that open source technology works just fine.
rdoger6424, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0myskja- What are your favorite programs? If they exist, I've got four letters for you: WINE
http://www.winehq.org
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