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MySpace Hidden Beta Page Found Reveals Future of MySpace

home.myspace.com — I simply went to http://myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=profile.names http://myspace.com/Modules/ProfileEdit/Pages/Design.aspx MySpace will switch everything around like they have been doing the past few weeks and change EVERYTHING to asp, watch.

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  • Teague, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Very cool, good find.
  • tburke261, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Yeah, I know myspace had to have a piece of that pie. They took over the music, now the layouts.
  • cwings, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Remove editprofile. from the begging of the urls and it will show you their new version. Myspace must be trying to expand customizibilty and in doing so will take down a good chunk of those 8 billion myspace editor sites.
  • Dog_Paddle, on 10/12/2007, -43/+5Am I suppose to be able to see anything?
    • BlindIrishman, on 10/12/2007, -34/+6No, just that it is .aspx format
  • elul21, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4:) betaa
  • jimz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Finally, I can stop complaining about the slow crappy coldfusion.
    • rayde, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28start complaining about the slow crappy asp ;-)
    • a7bat, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10Asp = Windows server...still slow as a donkey. Myspace is already slow with their coldfusion & windows server combo.
    • jribb, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15That's a pretty naive comment, to assume just because its Windows its going to be slow. Poor programming makes a site slow, no matter what platform is being used.
    • Agret, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5jribb Windows has to power a gui (why? ITS A SERVER FFS!) and it has bad TCP/IP code so you'll never get a Windows server faster than a *nix or *bsd one.
    • nullmind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Interesting, because Windows uses BSD's TCP stack. Either way I'll stick with linux. (Oh, and you're not cool by using asterisks)
    • redivider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I could build a better myspace in 2 hours in LAMP."

      One that can handle millions of simultaneous users, uploading and downloading photos and mp3s all at the same time? Also, you have to allow all the same functionality and support the same amount of html/css customization without leaving the site vulnerable to hacking. I'd love to see something like that built in 2 hours.
    • Pocky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To the fellow who said "*nix or *bsd": *bsd is a subset of *nix, so your statement is a bit like saying, "all dogs or all terriers." If you are going to bash Windows, the least you can do is appear to know what you are talking about.
    • catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1whut?

      MySpace has been ASP for a while, they just kept the CFM extension so old links didn't get broken.
  • poil11, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Your Profile has not been upgraded to Profile 2.0. Save Cancelled.
    • 3vil, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I hope its not to "premium service" I don't want to pay, and why would anyone ever want to make money on the Internet? geesh. But I guess its beyond us if they make it cost money for upgraded myspace accounts, I sure as hell wont pay.
    • illEATurHARTout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"yeah, someone find out how to upgrade it? what if this is going to be a "premium service"?"

      No, it's in beta you jerk... It's obviously not functional right now.
    • stevester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0even IF myspace decides to have a premium section, they won't abandon the free aspect. they make way too much money off ads to rely on paid accounts.
  • ace11, on 10/12/2007, -27/+58I cant express in worlds my hate for myspace.
    • Seumas, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16Worlds?

      But yes, I also hate it. :/
    • cwings, on 10/12/2007, -46/+9thanks for sharing
    • Zjm7891, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32I agree it would take WORLDS to express my hatred of it! =P

      Words just do not cut it
    • aegreen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18And let the MySpace lambasting begin...
    • live2die, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12lambasting....such a good word
    • mrm52, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10obviously not!

      But I agree, MySpace is garbage.
  • endurablegoods, on 10/12/2007, -41/+25blah... no one cares about MySpace anymore - except the people that own it... and they will soon watch their investment wither up and die. I don't think there is any re-inventing that can do anything about it. Once the kids in the mid-west realize the cool kids on the coasts have bailed on it, then MySpace will lose their remaining fans. Besides, that site is 1/3 marketers and corporate shysters anyway.
    • phatcactus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14You're jokin', right? Do you have any idea how much money that site must pull in every minute?
    • noneloud, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10Jealous much?
    • tom6a, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8MySpace is the #5 English language site by traffic

      http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=lang&lang=en

      http://awis.blogspot.com/2006/03/myspace-taking-over-world.html

      Digg happens to be #436 and climbing.
    • NWVG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Actually MySpace makes barely in money in comparison to other big sites on the Internet. I think in 2004 or 2005 they only pulled in 47 million dollars, which is nothing when they get that much traffic.
    • endurablegoods, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17I'll give MySpace another 6-8 months... it will stay around, but will drop in popularity - by about 1/2. Murdoch and Company will pump all sorts of cash into it, but no one will be around to see what happens. I predict CNN/Money headlines will read something like: Lost in MySpace - Where'd Everybody Go?
    • paleblueeyes, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5"blah... no one cares about MySpace anymore - except the people that own it... and they will soon watch their investment wither up and die. I don't think there is any re-inventing that can do anything about it. Once the kids in the mid-west realize the cool kids on the coasts have bailed on it, then MySpace will lose their remaining fans. Besides, that site is 1/3 marketers and corporate shysters anyway."


      haha awesome. same thing happened with friendster. i wonder how long SG will stick around...
    • dreww, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2SG will stick around because it knows what makes the internet thrum: TITTY.
    • stevester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0myspace still has some life in it. it's not about how much we hate it, because there are millions of fashion kids that feed it everyday... it's more a matter of what social site will pop up next...
  • jimz, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17WHY NOT PHP?
    • heymark, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Because it's Myspace, silly.
    • sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13probably loose the caps... but yeah, PHP rules over ASP
    • invader, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16ok, i'm a php programmer, but not so much a fanboy. one thing that i have noticed is that many /*not all*/ larger php projects tend to become more difficult to administer. php is improving and i can definitely see it taking more of a grip of the corporate market. i don't really like asp/vb web apps (and the entire .NET platform drives me up the wall). HOWEVER, i think for a site like myspace, it is a better choice for now. a good .NET programming team should be able to maintain the site more effectively than coldfusion.

      i hope they will one day go to php, but at least for now, myspace might have 10-or-so percent less downtime
    • ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13invader: I mostly agree.

      One thing I thought I'd ask is why does everyone associate ASP.NET with Visual Basic? There is C#, too, you know ;)

      Seriously though, ASP.NET 2 (which I hope they're using, not 1.1) is a breeze to administer and develop for, more than I can say for PHP. Yuck. Not to mention the IDE for .NET is awesome.

      Anyway, as a myspace user, this will be a HUGE improvement over the ColdFusion crappile they're using right now. Like, for example, not having to log in every couple pages.

      Go ASP.NET 2.0, go! And/or PHP at some point.
    • kevbear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@invader

      I'm a PHP programmer too.

      I see it like the same thing as C in a way. There's so much you can do in C to be able to hang yourself.

      In PHP there are so many little hacks, little features you can use to do things quickly and easily but with very little to think about maintaining it.

      A language like Java, as an example, doesn't allow you as much to just hack around and get away with it, so in general you write more managable code.

      What it all comes down to is having people taking the time to write code that is managable regardless of the language, which is possible, just some languages force you to do it and others don't. It's just all about not letting yourself forget about doing it just because the language forces you not to.

      Good code comes from good coders, don't blame the tools :)
    • Ballwalker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Why not Ruby on Rails?
    • casiotone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because PHP is one of the worst languages ever conceived. And I'm a PHP developer.
  • Poland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wow, that makes it easy.
  • krazykit, on 10/12/2007, -57/+10WHY NOT AJAX
    • Zjm7891, on 10/12/2007, -10/+38Digg-- Just because I hate the overuse of the term "AJAX" This has been around forever and a day in the form of DHTML! GAH...

      Now watch me get buried for bashing the term AJAX..
    • Agret, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Why not ajax? Cause ajax sucks
  • Oakley921, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0tried to edit my profile....also got the "Your Profile has not been upgraded to Profile 2.0. Save Canceled."

    Who knows?
  • jpfinch, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Yippity doo dah crap!
  • bcerhart, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0http://myspace.com/Modules/ProfileEdit/Pages/Layout.aspx
  • franco313, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3lol http://myspace.com/Modules/ProfileEdit/Pages/Layout.aspx isnt that somewhat AJAX based?
    • dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Just because they use DHTML and javascript, doesn't mean it's AJAX. I believe it's just a standard submit form. no data transfer, thus not ajax.
  • dotuplink, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1it's not loading
  • phatcactus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Sorry, this feature is down for repairs!"

    No, it didn't really say that. But it will in the future. Because that's what Myspace does. It breaks. A lot. I've never seen a service so simple and so popular break so damn often. Is it really just that poorly thought out?
    • JWood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I hear you. I can't tell you how many times I've seen the message, "The servers are currently busy." You'd think a site with about 60 million users would be better than that.
    • velocipenguin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2MySpace is a piece of *****.
  • TTT_Travis, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22I am proud to say I don't even have a myspace account :)
    • romman00, on 10/12/2007, -23/+8yeah!! same :D
    • macman81, on 10/12/2007, -19/+7w00t! me three!
    • iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -22/+11Myspace is for 12 year olds and under (mentally, physically doesn't matter I guess)
    • dbpigeon, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11Me neither. For some strange reason everybody who's said they don't has gotten negative diggs. Time to get buried..
  • anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Personally, I liked the story that was Dugg here a few weeks ago about someone totally customising Myspace. And doing a damn fine job of it too.
    • ozid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Myspace is easy to customize. You just need a BASIC knowledge of HTML and CSS, and you can do whatever you want. Mine looks nothing like the standard myspace page.
    • anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've never really experimented with Myspace. I only set up a basic profile and left it at that. I wasn't aware you had 100% total control over it.
    • Vagari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, the code is so sloppy that it's difficult to modify the layouts. You can't even use the ids they give you on some elements cause they "clean" out the pound sign.
    • LoungeActx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah you need to change stuff by class, not ID...but none the less you can manipulate it pretty damn easily...
  • leperkuhn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10ASP.NET has a lot better performance than PHP. I'm primarily a PHP developer, open source advocate. But in this instance, ASP.NET is a better solution.
    • dognose, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3how is ASP better in this instance? It doesn't even work.
    • CrimsonBlur, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I have to agree with leperkuhn here, you can get much better performance with ASP.NET on large-scale Web apps than you can with PHP. No one is saying this specific instance is a showcase of that, however, since this is obviously still in development internally at MySpace and isn't meant to be used at all yet, hard to pass judgement on it because of that.

      I almost exclusively use PHP/MySQL for development, but after messing around with MS Visual Web Developer 2005 for a while I have to say that ASP.NET using C# and .NET 2.0 is a very powerful combination, is a quick development platform and offers excellent performance for large-scale applications. You can advocate open-source and PHP all you want, I use it too, but that doesn't mean it's "better" for everything.
    • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3PHP compilers/cache programs can give you a *huge* performance boost. For example, we tried it on a vBulletin 3.5 forum with 1,000,000+ posts - the load went from ~5.00 to ~2.2. The actual load time improved roughly 3x-4x
    • zyphlar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree with leperkuhn. I use both PHP and ASP/ASP.net (C# and vb), and the idea of doing a whole site in PHP or any other scripting language (as opposed to compiled or managed) scares me.
  • dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ok, so how do we upgrade our profile?
  • maximize, on 10/12/2007, -25/+7heh, PHP will ALWAYS be better than asp.
  • Play, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5My god, a unique myspace profile?!?!?! I must be dreaming.
  • erikjernberg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Right now, Myspace needs to make changes like this and still reduce the amount of errors that are thrown. Errors happens way too much on that site - and it is was the constant errors that ultimately brought Friendster down. As long as they can make these changes and have it enhance myspace, the site will continue to be a success. If these changes make the site crash more often, then I am seriously concerned about them, long term.

    I just think it is sort of funny that the best that they could come up with is just a form-based way to create the same old Myspace abominations that we see everyday... I understand the concept of letting people make any type of Myspace page they want, but some of the stuff I see on there is just - borderline scary!
    • endurablegoods, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Agreed... but the more the corporation tries to "improve" MySpace, the worse it will get. Part of its earlier charm was that it looked kinda ghetto - like kids were out there fooling around and having fun. If/when it gets all slick and formatted properly with good design and decent code, it will lose some of its heart - and that was really all it had to begin with. There are plenty of other social networking sites - niche players - that will slowly gnaw off chunks of the bloated MySpace carcass leaving it a shell of what it used to be.
    • dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You said it. Since I host images for a bunch of myspace pages, I know exactly when, and how long the site is down. Some days, it's for hours, the whole site will be down. Most other days, there is a least an hour of 1/2 downtime. A site that big should take some notes from google.
  • treelovinhippie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Someone give a screenie please... couldn't be f'd having to find out my password again
  • ModernTenshi, on 10/12/2007, -12/+1That's nice, but who cares?
  • Rice, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2You Must Be Logged-In to do That!

    ***** that, see you later.
  • MrNate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6MySpace already is running ASP.NET, and has been for a few months. Just because they write for ColdFusion doesn't mean they deploy on J2EE. The current MySpace site is deploying .CFM files on a .NET server.

    Here's a hack for ya... http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm -- a coldfusion server hack, the orange error tells us it's running a BlueDragon server.
    • mos6507, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2BlueDragon is essentially a runtime engine on top of the .NET CLR. It's not equivalent in performance to a site built in C# or VB.NET.

      I benchmarked BlueDragon and it maxed out at something like 1/10th requests per second as native C# code.

  • esourcemag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I tried to save the profile and it told me that Imy profile is not been upgraded to 2.0

    THIS IS 2.0???? Don't they think this should be version 0.9 of MySpace?
  • magnusdopus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
    MySpace v2.0 http://files.tagworld.com/51882603ce069d9e4b71afb8e59f626c7104.jpeg = Tagworld 0.7
    http://files.tagworld.com/96259120723adf784bd3943e6ad3608cb308.jpeg
    • randyzaia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2MySpace finally responding to the gauntlet thrown down by Tagworld by copying its editing interface entirely - interesting...
    • ozid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i had a pretty hard laugh at what randyzaia said.

      i'd just like to mention myspace won't ever be touched because most people don't care enough to switch just because of that kind of customization. people actually enjoy the crude coding they "make" to help their myspace not look so uniform.
  • incu_vamp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3i tired it out and it made everything turn out horrible and it also keeps putting my friends list at the top of the page even though i moved it to the bottom
    • Branden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Probably a good thing that we aren't allowed to use it then. :)
  • loudestnoise, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2this needs to come out of testing/beta. would be cool
  • Link459, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Wow, nice job stealing from TagWorld, MySpace...
  • TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1At least ASP is somewhat faster than ColdFusion (which is the epitome of the bad-programming-languages).
  • simplesimon18, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2thank you for this a la TagWorld.
    ____
    get over the space... http://www.ShoutCentral.com
  • endurablegoods, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1And then there's Tagged (www.tagged.com). Another abomination. Go to their About Us or Corporate page... they pretty much lay it out: We are gonna serve up these tasty young people on demographically precise platters to the highest bidder. They are hiring!
  • kevinpaulmeyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Mr. Nate is correct, the new site is running on ColdFusion markup, with a framework called FuseBox. The server itself is not the Adobe J2EE version, but New Atlanta's .NET version of CFM:

    http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/product_info/overview.cfm

    If that makes any sense. I guess it's faster than the Java version. Strange deployment for the 5th most popular site, bought for $500 million by R. Murdock.
    • meechp123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0finally! someone knows what they're talking about! myspace was bought for $580 million! say whatever you want about myspace, just realize that they have in fact made a ton of money and they have huge following.
  • SSnow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2wow! props to you man! very intersting find!
  • MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hmm, tagowrldish I must admit, but hey, when your one of the biggest sites out there, go for it. Besides, it's about time myspace learns how to code something correctly. Kinda.
  • silorats, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6No - myspace is slow because of the massive amount of traffic they receive. Small part programming architecture - large part bandwidth.
    • w0rd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Funny, yahoo and google seem to be doing okay. Heck, on that note, digg is doing fantastic as well.
  • rcepek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Okay people this is old news, MySpace has been sowly moving over to ASP for quite some timenow. They are running BlueDragon.net which allows them to use Coldfusion and ASP together. The switch over is planned to take 4 weeks to convert everything form CF to ASP. They did not give a date when this will occur, but I assume sometime this year. Also Myspacecom is probably in the top 10 of the most visted sites on the internet.
  • ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31Wow, the ignorance on this site regarding ASP.NET is quite impressive.

    ASP.NET is a *great* development platform. I've architected applications that handle 20 million requests a day using ASP.NET, so performance excellent if you have a clue.

    But performance is just one small reason to use ASP.NET. The biggest reason to use ASP.NET is the .NET Framework. It is one of the most robust and productive development frameworks you can use, and having it fully available to you in ASP.NET makes development of complex applications far simpler than with PHP or JSP.

    So you get the easy of development of ColdFusion, the robust framework of .NET, and the performance of a ATL/COM solution... all with excellent separate of code and UI. Add to that the fact you can use VS.NET and you have the best web development solution available for almost any situation.

    ASP.NET is awesome... I really suggest that those of you who are die hard PHP fans should at least check out ASP.NET, especially ASP.NET 2.0. You won't be disappointed.
    • DCstewieG, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4but it's micro$oft so it must be teh sux0r!!!!!!11
    • bouche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4yes. .NET 2.0 Webparts is what they are using here and I played with that tech one afternoon and I couldn't believe how easily I made a customizable layout. Webparts is pretty much the same technology as the AJAX layout for Google's customized homepage and now Windows live.com

      giddyup!
    • micromause, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2ThinkFr33ly AMEN man! =) I love .NET It will someday RULE ALL platforms! Java had it's day, it failed. I got my MCSD a while back (.NET 1.1) and like they say, once you go managed, you never go back. =)
    • catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I've just started playing around with .NET and I LOVE IT, C# is genius, I don't know how deployable apps written in it are (DLLs etc), but it's really nice to develop with!

      Microsoft do write great software, except Windows.

  • ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -37/+1dupe, sorry
  • ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -36/+1sorry!
  • ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -36/+1ack! another dup! my bad
  • endurablegoods, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Top 10 most visited... I know I read something (NYT?) that shed some sharp light on MySpace #s. I can't recall the specifics (and so I should probably shut my mouth) but something around 1/4 - 1/3 of MySpace reported traffic was bogus - that is, not really kids trying to make friends and such. There is not a company out there that hasn't built a MySpace page to hawk their wares. And they pay people to click around, add friends and generally hang out. This = dubious traffic validity.
  • mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I hope this makes myspace a little bit faster, because page generation seems to go up to 3 seconds, just browsing.
  • danielrh9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Nice find. At least MySpace is at least attempting to take a step forward.

    My main problem with MySpace is the graphical design. Or lack of it. It looks like the web circa 1998. Which would have been fine for then since the web was a relative "teenager" and we didn't know any better. But it's 'friggin 2006. Designers have learned how to make aesthetically pleasing in those eight years. All the poor design does is help propagate the immature ethos of the site. Look at DeviantArt. On the social aspect, it works in very much the same way as MySpace. But the credibility and ethos of the site is greatened by the spiffy design. And it works well even if the template is basically the same for all.

    A complete graphical overhaul is the only way MySpace will truly gain much more credibility.
  • diafel, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4People who care about myspace don't belong on digg.
    • danielrh9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I see your view, but disagree on the merits of the importance. The scary thing about MySpace is that kids playing around with html on MySpace are our future designers. In all likelihood, they think that this is good design. Which is horrifying. Yes, MySpace is terrible, but it needs to improve so that it shapes all the young minds using it correctly in terms of web design.
    • cwings, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5people who dont care about myspace should be smart enough not to click something with the word myspace in the title then be dissapointed when they find out its about myspace
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