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Steve Jobs Says Microsoft Is Copying Our Stuff

blogs.zdnet.com — A Microsoft employee ran into Steve Jobs at lunch and Jobs says, "It's nice to see that you're copying our stuff."

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  • foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2here's a link to the -real- story ;)

    that first link was just a bunch of mumbo jumbo, corporate conspiracy crap, and we're all the dumber for having read it.
  • foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2005/08/19.html#a10906
  • foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i'll digg this if somebody can answer my question, that is, how in the hell did apple ever copy ie4 for the mac. if this has to do with the mac ported version of ie, then i'll say this--microsoft made that ported version of ie for the mac...apple didn't steal it. if this has to do with safari 1.0, i'll say this--it was in no way like ie-freakin'-4! common. wtf?
  • foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i have to say that it was pretty cool what steve said. ha! take that ie! hoo ha!

    yup. apple did a good job of building a top-based browser from the ground up. ie7 is just safari, with it's tabbed browsing, integrated search bar, and rss feed. although, ms could've copied it from mozilla firefox--which they probably did.
  • gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0HERE COMES THE CAT AND DOG FIGHT AGIN...................
  • addisonj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0i just hope jobs gets pissed enough that he releases OSX for all x86 platforms... ahhh... the glories of an all out OS war
  • lzlaxhacker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Jobs can go screw himself...I mean yeah, OSX is a nice os, but personally, I like XP. Sure, it has security flaws...its the main operating system, thats what everyone focuses on...thats the real reason. i just love how tons of people out there are like "microsoft sucks!" while sitting behind a computer running XP and probably having office xp on it too...losers. windows and microsoft are both just fine.
  • doofus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0steve jobs needs to get cancer and die already
  • skartel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1dont be so rude doofus
  • Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0apple copies microsoft and microsoft copies apple no diff
  • setec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Its not like Apple ever stole from a company in the past....hmmm, wait, they did. This tit for tat every other year with whole stole what is getting old.
  • setec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Early morning typing after working all night.

    Meant to say "...with who stole what is getting old."
  • Spanktacular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Hey Steve."
    "Yeah, Bill?"
    "Wanna go on this tour over at Xerox with me?"
    "Sure, I got nothing else goin' on."
  • jonnymj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0doesn't Microsoft still own part of Apple? just wondering.
  • ksgant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Steve Jobs Says Microsoft Is Copying Our Stuff"

    From the no DUH department.
  • Heathen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No, Apple bought those shares back.
  • blob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"doesn't Microsoft still own part of Apple?" they never did, other than as special stockholders. Microsoft purchased $150 million of non-voting Apple stock in exchange for a guarantee to continue developing Mac applications. They sold that stock later for a huge profit.
  • ermau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Except Safari is built on an open source rendering engine, not exactly from the ground up. I'd also venture to say that IE7 is an attempt at Firefox, not Safari.
  • cal0001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0they both copy each other but Microsoft copied first
  • Laurent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The Steve Jobs reference in the title is far fetched...
  • blhack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0all of the 'inovations' that mac has been coming out with in the past several years they have stolen directly from the open source community. They don't even use their own kernel, they use BSD.....What has mircrosoft alledgedly stolen from MAC anyway? It's not like that company really has anything THAT useful to steal anyway. If microsoft changed the name of Vista to Windows-Translucent-Blue-Buttons, i could MAAAAAYYYBEEEE see something..maybe.
    I hate microsoft, i hate 99% of their products, windows is a piece of shiat..but they didn't steal it from mac.
  • linuxbox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I blame it all on Apple. Just because I hate Apple more than Microsoft.
  • sandrino, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Apple copies Microsoft occasionally and in small details. Microsoft steals entire concepts from Apple like the GUI. Microsoft's entire business model is to steal or buy ideas from other companies. They started doing it from the very first day. DOS, was a copy of CP/M like Windoze is a copy of the original Mac OS. Strangely enough, Windows Vista looks a lot like Mac OS X, what a coincidence! Microsoft has only come up with two original concepts in its whole life, Bob and charging for software. Without Apple Microsoft wouldn't have anyone to copy from. Apple develops new ideas all the time. Microsoft develops new ideas once in a while.

    BTW, Apple paid good money to bring it's developers to Xerox PARC. Steve saw the possibilities immediately. He took those concepts, refined them and used them on the first Mac. Xerox PARC had concepts that Steve Jobs and Apple turned into shipping products. Bill Gates was still working on DOS at this time. His biggest worry was how to keep competing versions of DOS from eating up their market. He had nothing to do with Xerox PARC. He got to see the Mac because Steve wanted to have software for the Mac. He invited Gates to be a developer. Bill Gates realized that the GUI was the future of computing and knew that to survive Microsoft had to copy/steal the concept.

    While developing software for the Mac Bill Gates set up a team of engineers who reverse engineered the Mac OS. By 1985, Microsoft was shipping the very first version of Windows. It was as close a copy of the Mac as Microsoft could make.

    Check it out:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Macintosh
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_jobs
  • Noah0504, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Hey Steve."
    "Yeah, Bill?"
    "Wanna go on this tour over at Xerox with me?"
    "Sure, I got nothing else goin' on."

    THANK YOU! I read this story and thought, "What? Is this 1984 again?"
  • Abraxis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Somewhere Xerox is laughing.
  • 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Blah blah blah, flame war flame war flame war, unsubstantiated claims on both sides. MS stole this Mac stole that. Hasn't this all been done before? Here's a hint, whenever there's a story that makes the front page based solely on animosity and jingoism perhaps just click the little report button that says "this is lame."
  • DigginDave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0somewhere xerox is crying i think would be more accurate
  • anonymoustroll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The appropriate comeback for the Microsoftie would have been:

    "Yeah, well at least our code runs on 97% of the world's computers."

    But then we all know first hand just how big steve jobs' ego actually is (big enough to keep him from making a seriously significant commercial success out of Apple).

    > Somewhere Xerox is laughing.

    At whom? Themselves? Just because Xerox decided to stay in the horse carriage and buggie whip business doesn't mean Apple actually owes them anything (other than a debt of gratitude for being so incredibly inept).
  • ladycounter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Somewhere Xerox is laughing."

    You mean crying.
  • p2btech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0First of all that was rude for Steve Jobs to say that, it just tarnishes his image even more.

    Secondly how does he know what the IE team is doing is copying Apple. If there is anything in Vista that is being copied from a Mac is everything but IE. IE is just doing what like 15 other browsers have the cabibility of doing. Apple wasn't even the first to have the cabilities that will be in IE7.
  • sonofalink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Steve Jobs is not known for his charming personality.
  • j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I didn't know Apple made Safari from the ground up, oh, wait, they didn't. Safari is ***** anyway.
  • wthnow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"i just hope jobs gets pissed enough that he releases OSX for all x86 platforms... ahhh... the glories of an all out OS war
    addisonj posted by addisonj (0)"

    I think it that happened you would see windows not able to keep up.
  • seanm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Jobs is probably referring to the way RSS is handled in IE. The UI is extremely similar to Safari RSS:

    http://www.bmannconsulting.com/node/1496
  • Jimnormous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I want to see Jobs and Gates go at it with "Soc'em Boppers."
  • JDOG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I didn't know Apple made Safari from the ground up, oh, wait, they didn't. Safari is ***** anyway."

    Whatever dude. You probably own an eMachine and eat McDonalds. Safari rocks...it's certainly a lot faster/more stable/generally better in all ways than IE6 and has a much better GUI than Firefox.
  • jicon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Mr. Jobs claims Apple is a "hardware" company.

    Who introduced a two button mouse with scroll wheel, and LED tracking first? That's right, Microsoft by a mile.

    Both companies copy each other, and others.

    Jobs is an @$$
    /writing this on my Mac mini.
  • stark23x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Konfabulator. Shut up, Steve.
  • adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Since when has Microsoft ever invented anything on their own? Sure you can name some small little thing that they might have refined, but all they do is buy up peoples ideas/companies relable it and sell it as their own. However the problem people have is that they don't let you know thats what they did, instead they tell you this was a inhouse devoloped idea. Then they release 100's of documents and statements saying how what they did is a improvement over anything on the market and that people would be silly and dumb for using anything else.

    "The appropriate comeback for the Microsoftie would have been:

    "Yeah, well at least our code runs on 97% of the world's computers.""

    and the retort to that would be..."at least our code is built on something that is solid and that WORKS. Or are you talking about something other that Windows 95 Service pack 1000?"
  • ping, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i was watching pirastes of silicon valley last week, this was the basis of the movie set 25 years ago
  • Noah0504, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0and the retort to that would be..."at least our code is built on something that is solid and that WORKS. Or are you talking about something other that Windows 95 Service pack 1000?"

    Yes, because Apple starts over every other year. Windows XP still supports my DOS applications.
  • ladycounter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Yes, because Apple starts over every other year. Windows XP still supports my DOS applications."

    Not for long, vista will drop DOS support.
  • p2btech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Whatever dude. You probably own an eMachine and eat McDonalds. Safari rocks...it's certainly a lot faster/more stable/generally better in all ways than IE6 and has a much better GUI than Firefox."

    Everything is better than IE, that's not even an argument anymore.

    As for the GUI better than Firefox, they're pretty much the same. Extremely similar.
  • trex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0guys, it was a sarcastic comment. Read Scoble's blog for the context.
  • elShaggy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0At least Jobs has the balls to openly call them out when he feels wronged.
  • revokin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you can't beat 'em...
  • adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0^^ abuse the legal system and sue the ***** out of them!
  • DonWilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would have punched Jobs square in the face for saying something like that.
  • Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Jeez, the guy makes one sarcastic comment, and it's a flame war. Honestly, look at the Vista beta. Gee, transparency. Oh, look at the blue buttons on the dialog boxes. Etc., etc. Apple's "look and feel" lawsuit failed a long time ago, so as a matter of legality, it's finished. I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
  • blhack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This Just in.....All the KDE developers are going to sue Mac....after that the people who do fvwm-crystal are going to have a go....then hUH!!! it's gnome's turn.
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