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Apollo 14 Astronaut Claims Aliens HAVE Made Contact
dailymail.co.uk — Aliens are real and have made contact with us several times, but it has been covered up for 60 years, according to Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell.
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- NarrativeCarpet, on 07/23/2008, -31/+571But the government would never lie to us!
On a more serious note, O RLY?- benologist, on 07/23/2008, -83/+160A government might lie. Several governments might. But every government in the whole world? And every person involved in it? And every media outlet? And every person who ever stumbled across it in any country? For decades, if not centuries or millenia?
Really it's about as credible as people saying 9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust didn't happen or Ron Paul for president.- dkapuchino, on 07/23/2008, -5/+95In my country, the government doesn't deny it at all. It's just that whenever they go public with the information, the other governments censor us.
- Sunflare670, on 07/23/2008, -18/+2YA RLY
- jbettineski, on 07/23/2008, -19/+14keep tellin' yourself that.
it's easier to believe the lie. - fety, on 07/23/2008, -66/+22"about as credible as people saying 9/11 was an inside job"
dugg you down bitch! Open your damn eyes!
Ron Paul for President!!!!!!!!!! - phore, on 07/23/2008, -2/+68Not all governments cover up UFO related things. I believe a few countries in Europe have opened up their reports on UFO's.
- republicker, on 07/23/2008, -25/+12How does your colon look inside there?
- TopherT, on 07/23/2008, -17/+32How is support for a candidate who shares your views not 'credible'? Personally I don't feel the need to justify my support for any candidate for office on digg, but the connection you draw between political support and off the wall conspiracy theories should frankly be insulting to anyone who has ever supported any candidate. Thought crime?
- catcher6250, on 07/23/2008, -0/+8He is not connecting them together, hes connecting them both separately to the possibility of aliens...
- benologist, on 07/23/2008, -8/+26It was the overwhelming denial of his supporters I was refering to. Way back before he conceded it was futile to run for president the internet was hell bent on convincing us all he'd basically won and the election was just a formality in spite of overwhelming evidence constantly showing he didn't have the numbers. Loosely comparible to pretending 9/11 was an inside job with a cover-up involving millions, or UFOs being kept secret with a cover-up involving all countries for all of history.
Mostly though I figured it'd be good for a laugh and annoy some people. - urgeigh, on 07/23/2008, -8/+18You're right about the annoying some people part. It is indeed annoying to see a guy run for President with the most truly conservative platform a Republican has ran on in at least the last 40-50 years, and actually be honest and say some REAL ***** on T.V. and talk about REAL ***** during the so-called "debates" and then see everyone rally behind your typical run of the mill, lying, not-gonna-do-anything-he-says-once-he-gets-elected turd burger and continue to buy the ***** they get fed from the media.. yeah annoying indeed.
- stealthc, on 07/23/2008, -6/+18Covering up something like this is easier than you might think, because of how easily people will believe something that allows them to sit back down and believe everything is still normal.
Evidence suggesting nonhuman activity on the earth is abundant, but the global groupthink strongly disbelieves, so a cover up doesn't even have to be very good to be strongly effective. - dOOBiEx213, on 07/23/2008, -8/+13What are you talking about? There HAVE been references to aliens for "millenia." Have you ever heard of GODS, ANGELS, and DEMONS??? Your life... please end it.
- cmburns69, on 07/23/2008, -13/+11Dugg for the Ron Paul bit. LOL
- directedition, on 07/23/2008, -1/+10Heh, but don't you see! All those people couldn't keep it under the wraps! Now we've got this guy.
And really. It's the Daily Mail. Is that not the face of integrity or what? - themastersb, on 07/23/2008, -2/+1@ Sunflare670
It's super effective. - Gartland32, on 07/23/2008, -1/+10Like directededition said, the people who know about these conspiracy theories (assuming they actually happened) have NOT been keeping quiet. People who would be in positions to know about these things DO speak out, but they are usually just assumed to be crazy. So, you cant use the argument: "They cant be true because how would so many people stay quiet?" because people are not quiet about it.
- Synyk, on 07/24/2008, -9/+1Guys. Seriously now, if ALIENS came on Earth, had a little flight around town or landed and were photographed/filmed by people, we would ***** know. Take off your foil hats and nevermind these sci-fi movies (transformers much?) that make it out to be a huuuge cover up. We don't have hidden, frozen aliens in a subterranean base in the antartic.
sealthc said "Evidence suggesting nonhuman activity on the earth is abundant".
No, it is not abundant. There are a few rumors, myths and, especially, HOAXES. Now, this 77 year old astronaut. Come on folks, we are all picturing this old, lonely 77 year old, wanting to get some attention, claiming to have witnessed aliens. As for EVIDENCE, (as in a video/photo, that has been proved to be real and non-manipulated, of an encounter with an alien that DISTINCLY shows the presence of an extraterrestrial) none exist. You really think that a group of astronauts would hide such significant footage? For what, fear of being killed by a group of CIA assassins?
movies != reality. - aklu, on 07/24/2008, -6/+5@benologist: You, Sir, are an idiot. Obviously people have come out and spoken up, only to be thrown under the bus as "Conspiracy Theorists" or nutjobs.
@Synyk: Maybe the 77 year old astronaut doesn't want to die with this on his conscience, and has decided to do the right thing and speak up?
In every rumor, there is a grain of truth. Focus on the facts which relate to the issue at hand, not the personal faults of the person presenting those facts. - jamdogg, on 07/24/2008, -5/+5I think you missed the point that physics proffesors, demolition experts and firemen who were there say 911 wasn't just planes flying into buildings. Now a ***** ASTRONAUT is saying we've had alien contact.
Where's your credibility? - cffury13, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2@themastersb
Squrtile has fainted! - jeffvvisoft, on 07/24/2008, -0/+8Still think Ron Paul is a better candidate than McCain.
- doctordbx, on 07/24/2008, -1/+0@dOOBiEx213 - say hi to Tom, John and Will for me.
- thecliffbar, on 07/24/2008, -0/+5I agree that there is abundant evidence of "nonhuman activity" on earth considering how many millions of other species there are on this planet. My cat licking his own ass is "nonhuman activity" on multiple levels.
- benologist, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2@ aklu and a couple others,
We are able to recover whole dinosaur skeletons from millions of years ago. We explore shipwrecks centuries old and archeological ruins far older. So why in the whole world for all of humankind's history is there no evidence of all of these aliens that are supposed to be amongst us? Instead of any evidence what we have is the occasional person who says something, sometimes with an exceptionally poor piece of video or photo that manages to prove nothing beyond 'fraud'.
To argue that there's a global conspiracy to withhold this information is so utterly ridiculous it's amazing that anyone actually takes it seriously. First it relies on all the governments working together perpetually when history shows time and again that most governments can't even work together temporarily. It also skips the countless millions of years aliens could have visited and left some sign before our governments or countries existed.
It also heavily relies on countless hundreds of thousands of people around the world never saying anything or, for the few that do conveniently never having any actual evidence or even remembering hard facts. Whether they're in the USA, Mongolia or an island in the Pacific, somehow for some reason they're all globally sworn to secrecy and all signs of alien life are disappeared, but most importantly they've *always* been disappeared.
Basically since the dawn of humanity all signs of alien life have successfully been hidden from us by an international conspiracy that is as vigilant today as it was tens of thousands of years ago. Or alternatively aliens have only had the technology to travel across the galaxy for the last few decades, but that still leaves the bit where the whole world is somehow unified in hiding that information.
Any way you look at it it sounds ridiculous. It's stupid to argue we're alone but it's flat out retarded to argue they're here and it's being concealed from us. - finnbjorn, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4@ benologist:
The technology to travel across the galaxy alone defies our current understanding of physics. It is idiotic not to suppose that a species so much more advanced than us as we are more advanced than ants would be capable of concelling their presence by removing the evidence. Furthermore, unexplainable UFO phenomana are extremely rare and the sitings are always random, meaning that those few actual sitings that happen to enjoy the serendipity of being able to produce some form of physical evidence don't require an actual conspiracy to cover them up: there credability is lost in the deluge of false claims and the skepticism inherent in the community. Governments only need to get involved to cover up real ET activity that their honorable opperatives have witnessed first hand, which could be such things as Foo Fighters and Roswell; and, in these cases all they have to do is discredit their honorable opperatives and deny that anything ET related occured, and the communitys own skepticism will take over and do the rest; so that, when honorable people do speak out, they are ignored as crazy or dishonest. Why would Russia AND the USA both keep ETs a secret? I can't imagine; but, if one great empire decides to do something, then another great empire is likely to follow suit indepently but for the same reason; because, governering a large mass of people over a great territory posses the same problems regardless of what that territory is, who those people are and what philosophy is held by the government. I have thus demonstrated that there is no need for a vast multi-national conspiracy to cover-up UFOs. When confronted with what evidence the ETs were not able to remove, society denies the reality of it almost automatically.
Now, why would such vastly superior beings travel all the way across the vast reaches of space to bother with us, but not take our planet or help us solve our problems or engage in trade? I don't know; but, I do know that we investigate ant hills all the time and yet try to disturb them as little as possible. Why? We're curious and we can.
- gaapgod, on 07/23/2008, -40/+7Why so serious?
- banido, on 07/23/2008, -4/+32ENOUGH ALREADY
- fatrandy13, on 07/23/2008, -2/+14that line doesn't work EVERY time
- seraph582, on 07/23/2008, -3/+10Are you ***** TWELVE?
- azaraa09, on 07/23/2008, -13/+3Dugg for Batman!!! ^o^
- mrminty, on 07/24/2008, -4/+4Man, I wish I was that original...
- ikrit2006, on 07/23/2008, -16/+6In other news, studies suggest there may be radiation on the moon that causes hallucinations of extraterrestrial contact.
- dezholling, on 07/23/2008, -27/+22YEA AND WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON EITHER!!! IT WAS STAGED!!!
- ethanpack, on 07/23/2008, -3/+81If your doorbell rings, don't answer it - Buzz Aldrin's waiting with a handful of knuckles to deliver.
:oS - TopherT, on 07/23/2008, -13/+7Honestly I wish it was staged, it would have had the same effect and would have cost a whole ***** less.
- groverblue, on 07/23/2008, -7/+5Can the landing site(s) been seen from a earth through an amateur telescope or something?
- bluezinc, on 07/23/2008, -10/+3@Groverblue
I'm burying you because I can't figure out what the ***** you just wrote. - GliTCH82, on 07/23/2008, -1/+21"According to Steve Garber, the NASA History website curator, the final cost of project Apollo was between $20 and $25.4 Billion in 1969 Dollars (or approximately $135 Billion in 2005 Dollars)."
vs.
"The total cost of the war in Iraq to U.S. taxpayers will be around $1.9 trillion."
That's $1,900 billion for the Iraq War vs $135 billion for the entire Apollo program. The Iraq war, if it ends today, will cost about as much as 14 times the total cost of all the moon landings, period. If you divide the cost of the Apollo program by the number of landings, each moon mission cost around 20 billion dollars each. If you look at it that way, we can land on the moon 95 times using technology we developed in the 1960s for the cost of the Iraq War (if it ended today).
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War#Criticisms_a ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program#Progra ... - jsully, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2@Groverblue, no it's just too small. Here's the closest we've gotten AFAIK:
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/05/20080520_kaguya_e ...
More discussion:
http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/4692- ... - arvvvs, on 07/24/2008, -5/+1At Glitch82 Adjust for inflation.
- TopherT, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3@ glitch
I'd rather both were faked :) - mrminty, on 07/24/2008, -1/+3True, but how in the hell is that relevant to anything in the article?
- ethanpack, on 07/23/2008, -3/+81If your doorbell rings, don't answer it - Buzz Aldrin's waiting with a handful of knuckles to deliver.
- dabura, on 07/23/2008, -3/+22but i want to believe!
- GhandicapXRS, on 07/23/2008, -18/+79You know what bothers me about all this UFO *****?
Given the infinite potential for life in the universe. What do you figure the odds of an alien race capable of visiting earth, would act, look and behave in a manner relatively familiar to us. Like they are "supposedly" roughly the same size and shape as humans.
Just given the fact that they fly ***** AIRCRAFT as we know them is a ***** ludicrous idea.
You guys know what I'm saying?- catcher6250, on 07/23/2008, -10/+40Then how do you explain the fact that aliens use aircrafts?
- cheesecake42, on 07/23/2008, -8/+29how would they get here if they didnt fly aircraft?
- benologist, on 07/23/2008, -5/+50Smellaporting. It's like teleporting but a lot more advanced and sophisticated than our crappy technology.
- lithera, on 07/23/2008, -13/+51In terms of evolution it seems very logical that "aliens" would look roughly like us. One of the reasons humans are successful as a species is the way we are shaped.
The way we are structured allows us to be very flexible and adaptive in a wide variety of environments. This is one of the key elements for survival.
So Aliens with arms, legs and a head.. seems very plausible to me. Laws of nature apply everywhere, not only earth. - Qumahlin, on 07/23/2008, -15/+16You should also keep in mind many scientists believe life on earth was seeded by asteroids. Those same asteroids that hit earth would have been part of a larger group and could have passed by and crashed as well on any number of planets.
- merien, on 07/23/2008, -22/+17Humans are very poorly designed. Mammals are designed to walk on four legs. Al your organs hang from your spine as if it were a bridge. This design does not work well when you are on two legs.
Why shouldn't aliens look like centaurs? or like giant spiders? or like intelligent puddles of goo? It is indeed naive aliens would look like us. - SuperWinner, on 07/23/2008, -8/+40Even if you re-ran evolution on this planet with the same conditions, you'd have a very small chance of getting anything like humans again...
- mojoface, on 07/23/2008, -2/+5@ Qumahalin Asteroids generally don't travel between stars. I'm not even sure there are ANY asteroids that travel between stars. Considering Earth is the only inhabitable planet in our solar system (possible ancient Mars but unlikely), There would be an extremely improbable occurrence that an asteroid cluster containing micro organisms would fan out and strike numerous inhabitable planets across many solar systems spanning millions of light years, at least without some kind of intelligent intervention.
- azaraa09, on 07/23/2008, -2/+35No, stop, all of you, we have NO way of predicting what kind of species would dominate other planets. Different proximity and spectrum of their sun create way too many variables for us to control. We cannot even create a comprehensive algorithm for our own evolution.
- bluezinc, on 07/23/2008, -2/+6@Qumahlin
They most certainly don't believe that. That was a theory 50 years ago that has since been debunked. It only exists now as a concession that they don't know if certain viruses and/or bacteria might have come here via asteroids. - jcl777, on 07/23/2008, -2/+7@Qumahlin
No one believes that human-like DNA came on asteroids. Maybe building blocks, or single celled organisms, although thats a huge stretch. - latrosicarius, on 07/23/2008, -10/+60To the people in this thread saying aliens would look completely different, and humans are badly designed and would not appear again if you re-rolled the evolution dice so to speak...
No. Learn a little bit about evolution. Do you honestly think evolution is a linear progression? If you do, you obviously no nothing about evolution. Evolution is driven by the environment. Yes, random mutations cause evolution, but the only part that got stuck in you imbeciles' thick heads was the word "random".
A species WILL NOT evolve unless that random mutation allows for some benefit to excelling in their environment. The random mutations that don't cause a benefit, will eliminate themselves from the gene pool. Therefore, humans are designed well for our environment or we wouldn’t be sitting here talking about this right now. First of all, our organs are not simply hung from our spine like a bridge. They are supported by the ribs in the front as well. But secondly, walking upright has evolutionary benefits, which is why we are the way we are-- Humans likely started in hot localities (Mediterranean / African regions). Overexertion and heat dissipation in these conditions pose significant biological design hurdles if a species plans of surviving. Walking upright means we have less surface area exposed to the sun, thus making our bodies cool better. Cooler bodies, mean cooler blood, which means larger brain size is possible (the brain generates significant heat and must not become too hot or you die).
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In regards to re-rolling evolution, the likelihood that human-like creatures would form again would be almost inevitable, given the a similar set of environmental conditions. Have you never heard of parallel evolution?--a concept taught in middle school science class??
You know that first there were single-celled organisms, then specialization and single-cell colonies, then simple complex organisms like sponges, then development of differentiated tissues like muscle fiber, making it possible for worms, and more complicated animals to develop, eventually leading to swimming fish. Finally, amphibians came out of the water to dry land, leading the way for the development of reptiles, birds, and mammals. Sounds good. ---- oh wait!!! what about the bugs? Forgot about them, hmm? Yes, insects are an example of parallel evolution. They developed in parallel to fish becoming amphibians, and left the oceans themselves as scorpion-like creatures which developed further on land.
Another example is the mostly parallel evolution several the several distinct species of the genus ***** after they diverged from Australopithecus such as ***** erectus, & other Hominids.
So basically, there are two basic types of planets. Gas giants, and terrestrial planets. I’m going to make a bold statement and say right off the bat that life cannot exist on a gas giant, and if you know anything about astronomy or astrophysics you would know why (there is literally no difference between a gas giant and a star except mass. Not even considering the extreme crushing mass found within a gas giant, and the fact that there is no solid surface, the extreme heat and violent atmosphere would prohibit any organism from developing, even Hyperthermophile which can survive in conditions up to a “whopping” 140 degrees C).
That leaves terrestrial planets. Small planets with a solid surface, possibly an ocean of some sort of liquid. I will admit the possibility of organisms developing in conditions outside those provided by the Habitable Zone (look it up), but it’s very unlikely if you know anything about anatomy or biological processes, you will see you need, at a minimum, a wide variety of compounds interacting with each other via liquid medium. Essentially, the envelope for evolving life is likely very thin, meaning most planets where life evolves would be eerily similar – and therefore meaning comparable organisms are likely to arise.
Basically, aliens should and probably would look similar to something we would immediately recognize as a living organism, most likely easily identifiable and classifiable as some sort of animal or animal-like creature. To summarize for those with very stretchy imaginations, they would not be a big puddle of floating goo. - Asiriya, on 07/23/2008, -4/+8Nor would they necessarily be humanoid. What makes for good adaptations on Earth may not hold true elsewhere,
- string158, on 07/23/2008, -1/+12"Given the infinite potential for life in the universe. What do you figure the odds of an alien race capable of visiting earth, would act, look and behave in a manner relatively familiar to us. Like they are "supposedly" roughly the same size and shape as humans."
Given the infinite potential for life in the universe, over an infinite ( or indeed v. long period of time) you would indeed expect it to become increasingly likely that other human shaped & sized beings to exist and that they would eventually explore space. - madcreator, on 07/23/2008, -0/+13@latrocicarius
Does this mean no hyper-intelligent shades of the color blue? - Synyk, on 07/24/2008, -8/+8latrosicarius... Remember when humans were positive Earth was flat?
Basically, this shows that we do not know what the ***** is out there until we see it. Therefore, you cannot claim that "puddles of floating goo" are impossible forms of life, because science on earth is based on what we have discovered, not on what we WILL discover. Therein lies the unscientific aspect of your long, albeit well-written, text.
I say to hell with all your assumptions, we don't know (and we won't know) UNTIL we see it.
IMO I like picturing them as floating Centaurs of goo. - bobbi21, on 07/24/2008, -5/+6I think one of the points he was trying to make is that any planet capable of life would have to be similar to Earth. Now it's very possible that life out there is so foreign to us our scientists can't even possibly think about how they could organize themselves but the way people evolved is fairly simple and straightforward and I dont think it's unlikely that, if other life forms evolved, they might follow a similar path.
Just to add some more stuff. I think I read somewhere that the number of limbs on animals is also limited due to the amount of brain power needed to operate them. The more limbs the more brain used up just in moving limbs so it's pretty hard to get your limbs to move in any meaningful opposable thumb type way. Limbs just turn out working like every other limb and it doesn't evolve into fine motor movements. and of course you need at least 2 legs for balance. and therefore 2 arms cus if you have 1 pair of limbs, evolving another makes sense.
All the important sensory organs need to be near the brain since you need fast communication between them all. Not sure if having a humanoid face makes any sense. mouth should be at the bottom since it connects to guts and stuff. I guess nose should be close to the mouth due to the importance of smelling what you eat. ears pointed out for a full 360 range. eyes up front for 3D vision (again 2 eyes are all you need for 3D. and 3D is needed for hunting which is associated with more thinking and bigger brains).
latrosicarius already explained being upright (which I actually never heard of. Interesting theory). Although I don't think that'd be a reason causing uprightness in aliens. I always just thought it gave the ability to use our opposable thumbs meaningfully if they weren't used for walking all the time, which might be something seen in aliens.
As for the shape of aircraft. I guess it depends how advanced we're talking about. It's fully possible there are like you said, ways of transportation that we wouldn't even recognize as transportation. Therefore we wouldn't even notice it. Who knows, maybe aliens are spying on us through rainbows. or they subtly manipulated our brains to make computers and can use some weird technology to monitor the electrical impulses running around our computer. Either way, alien travel will go from "hey that kinda looks like something thats used for travel" to "what? I didn't see anything". So obviously the only things we see are things we can assume are kinda travel like.
and pretty much any UFO we see is just a ball of shiny moving fast. Until we get instant teleportation and psychic style movement (at which point I think cloaking wouldn't be considered anything), I think all travel technology will look like balls of shiny moving fast. - DestroyFascism, on 07/24/2008, -2/+6@Superwinner
"Even if you re-ran evolution on this planet with the same conditions, you'd have a very small chance of getting anything like humans again..."
What like Monkies? ]
@latrosicarius
Just to follow up.
Evolution and environment have always produced niche positions within a food chain.
Africa for example could be considered the pinnacle of such niche evolution.
Herbivores = Horse (Fast on foot, capable of great mileage in a short timespan but eat whatever vegetation is available)
Predators = Lion (Eat Herbivores and are capable of great speed but over a short distance, usually smarter and adaptable and have a degree of "mechanical reasoning")
Terrestrial = Rodent (Four legg design usually)
Arboreal = Monkey (climbing species, highly adaptable, inventive and inquisitive, social order, social skills and mechanical reasoning)
Now look at Australia, separated from the rest of the land mass for 60 million years produces the Marsupial, a species which IMO is between egg laying and Mammalian live birth.
Australia has
Herbivores = Kangaroo (Fast on foot, capable of great mileage in a short timespan but eat whatever vegetation is available)
Predators = Marsupial Lion and Thylacine (Eat Herbivores and are capable of great speed but over a short distance, usually smarter and adaptable and have a degree of "mechanical reasoning")
Terrestrial = Wallaby - Bettong (Four legg design usually but not in this case, adaptations have made some wallabies as skilled as mountain goats. )
Arboreal = Possum / Koala (climbing species)
The same "basic elements of design" exist even though they have never read the script, the niche has expected a particular design and it has been filled. The difference between Kangaroo and Horse? Kangaroo's have to travel further with less energy, an environmental condition, and less water.
In truth you could pick any animal on any land mass and it would be reflected in Australia in terms of design and species specific physical and mental adaptations.
Now go and look at Patagonia, a land that is essentially an entire sequence of "Rodents" or Rats taking the place of everything but top tier predators.
If this happened here on Earth, then there is a design "algorithm" that exists and it would be universal.
And before you think the Kangaroo is exception to the rule, think Dinosaurs and what they had. - Synyk, on 07/24/2008, -1/+8DestroyFascism.
Horse is as similar to kangaroo as human is similar to centaur. (meaning, not much)
And you pseudo-intellectuals keep on talking as if these aliens are at the same evolutionary stage as us. Obviously, if the species has been around for long enough to be able to travel through a galaxy, its evolution has progressed much more than ours.
If we were the fish that lived in the ocean millions of years ago, and we had cognitive thought and were trying to speculate what we would look like in millions of years, we would be saying "Oh we'll probably look like we do now...but with like bigger fins." (silly example, bear with me), but do humans look anything like fish? (rhetorical) - Nialsh, on 07/24/2008, -2/+3"Obviously, if the species has been around for long enough to be able to travel through a galaxy, its evolution has progressed much more than ours."
Think about early man who hung out in caves and didn't have language. Compare that to man in the 60's who listened to Jimi Hendrix and visited the moon. They're biologically identical. So who says we need more evolution to achieve crazy fast travel? - jaschen, on 07/24/2008, -3/+10With all this talk about re-evolution on another planet and such. Did anyone think that perhaps...just maybe....they are our ancestors billions of years ago and advanced further than we have?
Maybe a few billion years ago, we were the unintelligent monkeys and these "aliens" were the humans of today. They advanced and somehow left this planet(or still living on this one, who knows) and now is studying us like how we study monkeys and apes.
Aliens supposely have small arms, legs, and very skinny with a BIG head/brain. Now, lets look back at some fossils of humans a few billion years ago. Bigger arms, legs, and a lot taller with tiny brains. We have shrunk since that era and will continue to shrink. While we are shrinking, our brains are going to continue to grow. Our eye sight will get worst and worst because people with bad eyesight are still reproducing. Eventually, we will look exactly like these "aliens".
As for them being non-hostile. If you noticed the trend from the 18th hundreds till now, you will notice a tread of non-violence and more understanding and compassion. There was alot less wars and alot less people die today than back then.
Now fast forward a few more thousand years from now, this world would have almost zero violence because we evolved to live with each other, not kill each other. So that would be the reason why they are not hostile. Because they are us, but evolved.
This is my theory and I feel like this is the most accurate one. Please don't make fun of my grammer. English is my 3rd language. - stevenbrown, on 07/24/2008, -3/+3TL; DR
- ModernGeek, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2@jaschen: This all reminds me of Doom 3.
- finnbjorn, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1@ latrosicarius and Destroy Facism:
All this talk of co-evolution, even wandering into the ways differant kinds of mammals adapted to fill relatively similar ecological niches; but, you talk of frogs and bugs and kangaroos. Why not bats?!! The chiropterin design evolved seperately twice in placental mamals and a third time amongst marsupials, if I'm not mistaken. There is no better evidence of how the evolutionary dice are rigged than bats.
P.S. Marsupials once cohabbited with placentals on the mainland of Pangea; but, being slightly more anceint they managed to migrate to the extremities of the contenant first. Austrailia-Antarctica broke off before the placentals began their major migrations, thus isolating the marsupials there. On the mainland we swift breeding placentals out breed the marsupials; but, the great deserts of Austrailia are well suited to the slow, interruptable and less water intensive reproductive model of their order. - latrosicarius, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2@ all who responded to me. Some very intelegent replies. I did not realize I was going to spark such a discussion, but many of you bring up extremely valid points.
i would love to respond to each of you and continue the discussion, but I think it would be waisted because of the way digg works--older articles quickly lose traffic.
- cryonix, on 07/23/2008, -7/+9http://www.theorionconspiracy.com/
- LemonChicken, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3what is this?
- jsully, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6I have no idea... I just sat through the whole thing though. It's like someone took the ramblings of a preteen conspiracy theorist old onto film. I want my 10 minutes back.
- scott88008, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4It's a fictional documentary combining numerous conspiracy theories into one unified whole.
- 2reflective, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Very interesting - thanks!
- wickensworth, on 07/23/2008, -18/+1Why so serious?
- latrosicarius, on 07/23/2008, -6/+34I like how NASA shot down tis guy's story. Like the spokespeople have any fricking idea what's going on... Those office jockies don't know 1% of what this man knows.
- pedepy, on 07/23/2008, -3/+4so the Apollo missions happened 60 years ago ?
O RLY?- dsgamer, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2nasa has just now been around for 50 years
lol - kernel, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1no u *****, alien activity has been NOTICED for 60years now...
- freqk, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1YA RLY.
- dsgamer, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2nasa has just now been around for 50 years
- Adam420, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3http://digg.com/world_news/UFOs_have_interfered_wi ...
- triplenerd, on 07/23/2008, -4/+0rry
- adamman62, on 07/23/2008, -6/+0YA RLY!
- YoureAllSoDumb, on 07/23/2008, -4/+2I'm deeply disappointed there is no ASCII O RLY here. Somebody help me out.
- MasterThief117, on 07/24/2008, -2/+19DailyMail is like the Onion, except they claim they are legit.
- jnadke, on 07/24/2008, -5/+2O SRSLY?
- skinny01, on 07/24/2008, -2/+3Y So Srs?
- TheInformer, on 07/24/2008, -4/+8The best proof there is intelligent life out there is that it hasn't tried to contact us.
- TypeEE, on 07/24/2008, -6/+3The alien were fought off by Will Smith with a virus.
- jamangold, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2No, Jeff Goldblum defeated the aliens with a virus.
- KlassyGuy, on 07/24/2008, -3/+5There's always a problem with these. In an universe trillions and trillions of AUs long and trillions and trillions of AUs wide, and trillions and trillions of AUs tall there is one point I would like to make. I can't remember whose paradox this is, but here it goes.
In an universe as big as ours the likelihood of there being other intelligent life is quite high. If this life exists and is so sophisticated they will have probably given up on reality, because lets face it your imagination can make things more epic. So these hyper intelligent beings plug themselves into the matrix. Also if this didn't happen, the odds of them finding us, or us finding them is so incredibly low that it approaches zero. Odds of intelligent life being out there=high. Odds of us finding them or vice versa= uber low.- curtisag, on 07/25/2008, -0/+1Your imagination is the one that is limited, because technology can create amazing advances and our understanding of physics is only just beginning. I think it's entirely possible to travel across our galaxy in a few seconds with a sufficient understanding and technology. Given this, I believe aliens have been watching our development for thousands of years, maybe longer. They make sure they do not interfere with our development, because that could have unintended negative consequences.
- Ashur420, on 07/24/2008, -3/+4For what its worth I'd say that alien life visiting earth is not only possible but very likely. The sheer magnitude of planets in our universe, even loosely estimated at 100 billion a galaxy with 100 billion galaxies, we CANNOT be the only life. And anyone that says otherwise is ignorant of the math.
If extraterrestrials do visit earth they are obviously peaceful otherwise humanity would have been wiped off the earth. And more important than anything I want some space weed god damn it and immortality would be nice too.- DraxusD, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2Alien life existing != Aliens visiting earth
We exist, how many planets have we been to? They're likely in a similar situation, or perhaps far enough away to make it either impossible or undesirable to travel to Earth regardless of technology.
- DraxusD, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2Alien life existing != Aliens visiting earth
- thrive868, on 07/24/2008, -2/+1ROFLCHOPTER
- benologist, on 07/23/2008, -83/+160A government might lie. Several governments might. But every government in the whole world? And every person involved in it? And every media outlet? And every person who ever stumbled across it in any country? For decades, if not centuries or millenia?
- elscroto, on 07/23/2008, -10/+218Does that mean the Russian's have been visited too?
I like how NASA denys it right away, but 'he's still a great american'- LordVomit, on 07/23/2008, -15/+75Clearly they are trying to show respect to a hero of old, yet still making it clear that he is senile.
- daebat, on 07/23/2008, -5/+8haha
- DestroyFascism, on 07/24/2008, -3/+11Or portraying him as such...
- brothaslide, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1What evidence do you have that Dr. Mitchell is senile?
- Gregbertt, on 07/23/2008, -9/+23The Russian's what? Which Russian?
- kveratis, on 07/23/2008, -6/+34Actually there was a point early after the fall of the old Soviet Union where the KGB freely admitted that they did posses alien technology artifacts and had knowledge of alien life. It was conveniently ignored by the MSM and quickly covered up after Putin came to power. How credible the source of the information is, we will probably never know for certain, but it was an interesting revelation.
- jellydoughnut21, on 07/23/2008, -13/+26It's just another way in which religion is screwing us. If the powers that be were to come out and say we have been visited by aliens and such, then the religious theories around the globe would be shot to hell. Imagine how ***** would hit the fan when all these people found out their lives were based on lies. So until the government or whoever can no longer cover it up, they will never admit to the existence of life beyond earth because their religion is too precious.
- cdahlkvist, on 07/23/2008, -13/+15While I understand your point I don't see how other life in the Universe would negate religious belief.
I don't recall any biblical text that says "Earth is the only planet and there is no other life in the Universe."
In fact, the Bible clearly states that God created the Heavens and the stars. So that seems to me as a potential for life elsewhere in the Universe if you are a religious person.
For the record, I am Agnostic. I'm just trying to point out that other life in the Universe does not violate Biblical text.
I am of another group though. I do not think there is any other intelligent life in the Universe. I suspect there may have been at some point but they most likely put an end to themselves or there never was.
We say there are a near infinite number of Earth-like planets in the Universe but if we consider the course life on our own planet has taken there are so many "accidents" and mutations required to end up with similar results.
Again, that is my opinion. It's neither right, nor wrong. It's just how I feel at the present given the current evidence. - jj101, on 07/23/2008, -0/+8@cdahlkvist - there are no "accidents" in natural selection theory, there are simply selection pressures derived from environmental factors (which includes habitat, competition wihin the species and with others etc etc). The mutations which are advantageous allow individuals within species more chance to pass their genes to the next generation. That is not an accident nor a random event but the result of an ongoing process.
- cdahlkvist, on 07/24/2008, -8/+5jj: You obviously know something about biology and evolution.
To put it simply, mutations and adaptations follow the rules of "sink or swim" .
As much as you are correct in saying it is due to environmental pressures you must also consider that the majority of time the result is "sink" rather than swim.
Do you have any idea how easily life can develop? That is not the hard part. The hard part is for life to survive.
Evolution and adaptation requirements make the continuance of life very difficult in most situations. It is, with or without a God, quite astounding that we are here.
I definitely appreciate your comment though. Thus, dugg up. I'd be happy to continue this discussion. - mateoberry, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4Wouldn't the physical existence of god(s), by definition, be extra terrestrial?
- cdahlkvist, on 07/23/2008, -13/+15While I understand your point I don't see how other life in the Universe would negate religious belief.
- EarlOfLade, on 07/23/2008, -8/+7Yeah.. well... I think his air-mix on those walks might have been a bit on the interesting side and now he has gone off his rockers, poor guy.
Alien life somewhere in the universe? Heck yeah!
Visiting the Earth? :LOL no... - Adam420, on 07/23/2008, -4/+2http://digg.com/world_news/UFOs_have_interfered_wi ...
- ZenMojo, on 07/24/2008, -1/+12They should really screen these astronaut guys for health and mental problems before sending them into the vastness of space.
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Oh, they do? Uh...hm. - TomT223, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0I don't think aliens speak Russian.
- LordVomit, on 07/23/2008, -15/+75Clearly they are trying to show respect to a hero of old, yet still making it clear that he is senile.
- upick, on 07/23/2008, -27/+269Well all this is still just theories there's no solid evidence so its just a conspiracy.
I believe there are aliens but most likely "in a galaxy far far away"- dafragsta, on 07/23/2008, -4/+135My favorite thing about the word "conspriacy" is that it's listed in the dictionary apart from the word "theory."
I've got a conspiracy theory for you. A bunch of people got together and conspired to dilute the meaning of the word so that it could never again be taken seriously. I love that our government does silly ***** all the time and it's in the public record, but as long as enough people call it a conspiracy theory, it loses all credibility and God forbid we investigate these "conspiracy theories" and attempt to decide one way or the other if any of them, especially the ones where there is a smoking ***** gun, have any merit. No, they are just conspiracy theories.
We may or may not have made contact with aliens, but I can say this much. We have a lot of closed, fortified doors in this country that we all pay for, but we'll never see what's behind them. Area 51 exists, there is a lot of publicly known effort to keep what's there a secret. As long as it's done in the name of national security, you are not allowed to ask. (I bet that's what people in China are told when civilians are executed. It's for national security of course!) We also have NORAD, the NSA, CIA, and tons of other government agencies that forcibly take a metric *****-ton of money from your paycheck and you have no privilege to know what it's used for. I'll tell you what it's used for. It's used to discredit anyone who asks what it's used for.- dkapuchino, on 07/23/2008, -20/+6So if I get your post straight -
1. The evil powers that be made us all believe conspiracy theorists shouldn't be taken seriously.
2. Our government has secrets. We have a base that is used to test classified aircrafts keeping secrets, 2 intelligence agencies that have secrets, and military unit that scans our skies to make sure no foriegn aircraft can attack us.
Tell you the truth? I'd be much much more disturbed if they didn't have secrets. - dafragsta, on 07/23/2008, -3/+28What you've just said is circular. So you are afraid if they don't have secrets, but you don't worry that they do have secrets you don't know about. I guess you don't care that they can have carte blanch with secrets, just as long as they have them.
You should feel safe then. We have bunkers upon bunkers upon silos upon archives of secrets not related to aircraft or military wargames that you can use to sleep easy at night. - TopherT, on 07/23/2008, -1/+11@dkapuchino
Where do you draw the line? How much money for this stuff are you willing to pay? What if they hide the cost from the public? What checks on this spending would you support? What is to stop the people with access to this money from being corrupt? If the government is subverting the will of the American people, wouldn't such slush funds be very useful to them to create paramilitary forces, prisons, etc? These questions are not conspiratorial they are PRACTICAL. The reason we have democracy is to keep our government in check. If we don't know what they're doing, how are we supposed to keep them from functioning against our interests? - Mushroomhero, on 07/23/2008, -0/+7Damn straight dafragsta, I'm with you all the way. To add to that, all of those agencies were conveniently organized just prior to the Roswell incident. Too bad so many people shoot down conspiracy theories. Our country is built on them.
- maximoo2, on 07/23/2008, -2/+10In regards to 'missing' money, many people forgot (after 9/11) that on September 10th, 2001 Rumsfield declared a a "war on waste" after admitting that hundreds of billions of dollars has been 'unaccounted' for by the pentagon. I think it was 1.5 trillion or something like that.
I totally agree dafragsta. It doesn't make sense that for many people, as soon as anything gets labeled a "conspiracy theory" it automatically means it is false. I mean... conspiracies DO exist.
If another gulf of tonkin incident (when America lied and said that they were attacked when they were not, so they could start the Vietnam War)happened tomorrow the propaganda machine is so good now a days that the actual truth of what really happened would just be labeled a 'conspiracy theory' by the mainstream media, thus immediately rendering any evidence that went against the official story would be automatically made illegitimate and unnecessary.
Think about it. - mikeyellenlee, on 07/23/2008, -2/+4i think i love you.
- jerrycurley, on 07/23/2008, -4/+5Yup...Area 51 DOES exist...and it has nothing to do with aliens.
- echelonist, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2There's no "conspriacy" in the dictionary.
- Scaryclouds, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3@dafragsta
I understand where you are coming from and deep down I agree with you, however there are some legitimate national security concerns that our tax dollars do pay for and that the general public should not know about. Of what legitimately constitutes national security threat is only about 10% of what the government deems a "national security threat."
@Mushroomhero
Yea I'm sure the reason these intelligence agencies were formed had nothing to do with the World War we just fought in and the escalating tensions with the USSR /sarcasm - j1ggy, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2*Cough cough* war on "terror" *cough*
- dkapuchino, on 07/23/2008, -20/+6So if I get your post straight -
- ohnoihavenoname, on 07/23/2008, -4/+35While I agree with your opinion, please please please don't help perpetuate the fundamentalist christian definition of "theory". A theory isn't something that lacks sufficient evidence. It isn't "not quite a fact" or an educated guess. Oversimplified, it's a model of how things work. An explanation of why the facts are what they are. E.g. Einstein's theories explaining how space, time, and gravity work. But nobody says gravity is "just a theory".
- DerpDerpMD, on 07/23/2008, -1/+8Flat Earthers do: http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?top ...
- teepee542, on 07/23/2008, -4/+4from Webster's dictionary; theory - "a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact." The problem with your statement is you went from "Einstein's theories explaining how ... gravity work." to "But nobody says gravity is "just a theory".
I have never heard anyone say gravity is "just a theory". We all know gravity exists because we live with it every day. That's a fact. Einsteins could only theorize about gravity works because he didn't know how it does work. Nobody has any absolute facts about how gravity works. If they did we would already have anti-gravity machines and inter-stellar space travel. Don't confuse theories with facts. - owl1, on 07/23/2008, -2/+3listen to teepee.
ohnoihavenoname's contribution made my head hurt. - cyberwiz01, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3@DerpDerpMD
Wow! That was immensely entertaining. Thank you for brightening my day. - GliTCH82, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5In a very abstract sense, what we define as gravity is obviously not a theory. The way we define and explain it, however, is.
Using that logic, a conspiracy theory by definition is a plausible explanation (keyword: plausible) for a series of concrete events over which there is no debate that suggests or implies covert operation by a group of individuals affecting the outcome of those events. If a conspiracy theory cannot hold up against scrutiny, then you could argue it in fact isn't one. - bobbi21, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3teepee - websters dictionary gives a layman's definition for theory. In science, that would be more of a hypothesis. Scientific theories are slightly different in that they're really just a model to explain something that happens. Anything people learn and figure out is a theory.
To take your gravity example. Lets take newton's theory of gravity. All it is is a bloody formula.
F = G m1m2/r^2
This is true all the time in every situation (unless you start going speed of light and stuff but that's another issue). But it's still a theory. it doesn't propose to explain HOW gravity works. it just describes gravity working. Yet it's still a theory.
And "gravity" is not a fact. Saying gravity is a fact is like saying blue is a fact. gravity is just the name we give to things sticking to the earth just like blue is the name we give to things that reflect/emit a certain wavelength of light. There are no generalizable facts. When we generalize we make a theory.
the closest thing to facts are things we see happening at 1 time. I drop a ball and it falls down. Thats a fact (actually it's a fact that I saw the ball I dropped fall. I could always be on drugs or the entire world is the matrix or something and there is no ball). It is not a fact that every ball I drop will fall. That is a theory. Any model used to explain/predict how events happen.
Oh and even if we understood everything about how something (like gravity) works doesn't mean we could make "antigravity machines" and such.
That's like saying "we totally understand how newtonian physics works. That means we can invent something to make Force not equal mass times acceleration" Understanding something doesn't mean we can do whatever we want with it. And even if our understanding did mean we could think of how to manipulate certain things, it doesn't mean our technology will advance as fast as our understanding.
We understand how fusion works but we still can't get a fusion reactor going simply because we don't have the technology for it. (And i'm not talking cold fusion. Just plain old million whatever degree sun type fusion)
- Kamill85, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2definatly ??
- Haoie, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1If they have made contact [very questionable], it's more likely to have been in the past.
Hence the theory about 'ancient astronauts' in many culture's histories.- Bravesguy18, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3Like in Predator 2?
- Synyk, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2wait hold on. Theories of ancient astronauts?...many culture's histories?? Explain please. Because, like bravesguy18, I think you believe Predator is fact.
- identifiedlogo, on 07/23/2008, -2/+1I'm not worried, if they bother to come to earth and crash their space ship, they must be pretty stupid skinny things. Seriously if we had an advance of a billion year, we wouldn't make mistakes like this. probability positively suggests their is life out there, but i don't think it has made contact yet.
But the Roswell pictures intrigue me; are they real or fake. they look pretty real to me,- ExRe, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1That is a pretty ignorant remark. I'd imagine that the intelligence level differs just like ours do.
The smartest man on the planet can design something the stupidest person can use, does that make everybody stupid if the stupidest one crashes the vehicle the smartest man made?
- ExRe, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1That is a pretty ignorant remark. I'd imagine that the intelligence level differs just like ours do.
- craven005, on 07/23/2008, -2/+7Your (and most american's) understanding of the word "conspiracy" is false. It proves how utterly controlled you all are. How about I enlighten you?
con·spir·a·cy
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
I laugh when anyone says "None of the conspiracies are true" or this classic "There is no 9/11 conspiracy". Whether you believe some guys conspired to hijack a few planes with little box cutter knives, or whether it was just another in a long line of false flag operations is IRRELEVANT. It was a conspiracy either way.
Any ideas on how the conspiracy went down would be called a "conspiracy theory". Thus, the government's official story is a conspiracy theory.- ZZeke, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6I know I've said this before : people go to jail for conspiracy every day - and there are no theories involved whatsoever.
There was absolutely a conspiracy afoot on 9/11, just as you articulated.
The problem, mostly in America as you said, as I see it, starts with the JFK assassination and carries on to this day. I hear people say things like "I don't believe in conspiracies", and I'm left scratching my head each time. People are trained to immediately associate "conspiracy" with "conspiracy theories", a term which has been completely convoluted in our minds since McCarthy or JFK, and maybe longer for all I know.
Thanks for being correct. - Nin10dude, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2The thing is, it's not funny when people say something like that, because it's not what they mean, and you know that. The "official" definition may claim that that's what it means, but it's changing. Few words remain stagnant in their definitions over time, I'm sick of people being assholes about it when people don't use words in their perfect place... if everyone was always like that, our language would be radically different. Words are only meant to convey ideas, as long they successfully convey their idea to you, it doesn't matter whether or not the words they used perfectly match up to their idea.
- ZZeke, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2@nin10dude: This isn't just about using the correct word in the correct place - it's about how people are manipulated to perceive certain words or phrases,and the connections that they automatically follow without ever really thinking about it.
You're absolutely right about how the meaning of words evolves over time indefinitely, but the context we were discussing "conspiracy" in is not about natural vocabularian evolution, but rather about deliberate obfuscation of the meaning of the word.
- ZZeke, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6I know I've said this before : people go to jail for conspiracy every day - and there are no theories involved whatsoever.
- spaceman77, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Depends what you define "solid evidence" as.
- becknell, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1This doesn't surprise me for Dailymail. I logged in to bury it.
- dafragsta, on 07/23/2008, -4/+135My favorite thing about the word "conspriacy" is that it's listed in the dictionary apart from the word "theory."
- mikesbaker, on 07/23/2008, -79/+40TIN FOIL HATS FOR SALE!! GET YOUR TIN FOIL HATS!!! RIGHT HERE! TIN FOIL HATS FOR SALE!!!
- PReitz, on 07/23/2008, -3/+35I'll take two....one for me and one for my pet bigfoot.
- Mushroomhero, on 07/23/2008, -23/+0We're talking about extraterrestrial life and you bring up bigfoot. That's lame.
- bluto36, on 07/23/2008, -0/+11big foot is an alien... thats why we never see dead big foot or giant size big foot turds.
- Mushroomhero, on 07/23/2008, -2/+11I see giant size bigfoot turds every morning..
- Nerolus, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1They're actually called Siblings.
- PReitz, on 07/23/2008, -3/+35I'll take two....one for me and one for my pet bigfoot.
- 10stackz, on 07/23/2008, -65/+109You can call me a Tin foil hat wearing Mo Fo or whatever, but i truly believe that they have made contact. I mean I dont go along with all these theories about reptoids and orange and green aliens and *****, but the reason they dont disclose the info is not because it would cause mass panic. Its because the world would figure out that we have been lied to for years and effectively ruin every current government and cause even the most hardcore believers of religion to take a step back and think about their ideologies.
People would be pissed of and start asking questions like why are we still using primitive rockets to get to space and the such. They would try to say there hostile and ***** and say would should kill them but anybody with 2 brain cells would know if they have the technology to visit us they would absolutely destroy us if we were to try fight them.
And there is to much evidence already to not think we have been visited. All the UFO sightings and this crazy ***** like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ8wTq3HcDk. So unless the gov has some really crazy technology or something. Beside how would the world react to know these supposed nut jobs were actually right all along. I dont know come up with your own conclusions. Id love to be proved wrong though but even so then it brings out that the gov is evil and proves that they have advanced technology they've been hiding from us. Then all the other crazy supposed nut jobs get proved right. Quit a conundrum either way.- jsauter, on 07/23/2008, -7/+89I can`t wait for the day when the hardcore believers of religion take a step back and rethink their ideologies.
- demizer, on 07/24/2008, -1/+3Ah men. :P
- mroffroad, on 07/24/2008, -0/+5You are mistaken, the aliens will prove that the Bible is of Extra-terrestrial origins. Aliens who might seem to be benevolent initially are actually inter-dimensional demons. I am not being facetious.
- Afterburn, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1Over aliens? What would aliens have to do with catholicism?
- finnbjorn, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0@Afterburn:
When the Americas were discovered the Catholic Church suffered a crisis; because, the Bible is supposed to know everything about humanity; and yet, here were these people that the Bible made no mention of. Initially the Pope decided that Native Americans were not humans, or even clever animals of human apperance; but rather, deamons in human form put in the Americas to draw away the faithful, which is why we treated them like ***** for so many centuries. I imagine proof of ETs would have the same effect; and, that is they have to do with Catholicism.
- skiiper, on 07/23/2008, -1/+11First thing that came to mind for me after reading this are the sign wielding religious nuts. What if one of these guys meets ET?
- Iwantawii, on 07/23/2008, -3/+12What kind of mass panic do you think would ensue if intelligent life outside of our planet became proven to us? Might it not even unite us as Mankind on some level? Our "us vs. them" squabbles that cover this globe would seem quite petty knowing that there are others out there.
There would probably be a generation of people who would be ***** themselves as their religious dogmas crumbled. And that generation would probably be the parents of generation X, whatever you call them. But all subsequent generations would just accept it as fact.- Qumahlin, on 07/23/2008, -1/+12I suggest you take a history lesson on how mankind overall has reacted to great changes to their ideologies. It's never pretty. We are some truly stupid creatures at times who never learn our lesson.
- Raian, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2People always panic until someone ***** a shotgun.
- Chaindrop, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2I could see two possible outcomes:
a. Every nation might unite and end hostilities, only if the "aliens" are indeed a threat. If their intention was indeed to conquer Earth, then say hello to world peace today, and be prepared to become a part of an intergalactic fastfood meal tomorrow.
b. But if the E.T.s are friendly, and revealed to us that they created our worlds' religions, then many people might snap and release all the violence and bad thoughts they've kept in for a long time because of their fear of hell. - Issius, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3Sounds like some of you should read Ender's Game. The aliens in it cause the world to unite, but then after we win, everything goes to ***** and everyone wants to kill everyone again.
- cLamm, on 07/23/2008, -6/+21everyone keeps saying that "mass panic" would break out. I actually think people might take it pretty well...I mean we have all these science fiction shows, books, and other entertaiment that I think people have been desensitized about the whole aliens thing. people would probably freak out for a bit and then accept it, sure there will be nut jobs who go crazy over it, but when will there not be nut jobs going crazy over somthing?
my point: Governments not hiding anything, it's just people wishing that they were so their lives would be more exciting or w/e their reasons are for hopeing aliens are out there.- dominuece, on 07/23/2008, -0/+8I don't know what planet you're from, but this one is filled with fear, hate, racism, "religious" manipulators, and cover ups. Do you think that the Manhattan Project was known to the public? I'm pretty sure mass panic is the perfect term. In your terms of movies and sci-fi: would YOU just accept a monster or alien appearing in your bedroom like you do watching Hollywood renditions or would YOU freak out?
- Nok1, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Yeah, seriously.
Who hasn't seen "Contact"? - cLamm, on 07/24/2008, -1/+0Dominuece, no one said anything about appearing in my bedroom, heck if anyone appeared in my bedroom I would freak out...pretty sure I'm not unique in this.
But, your idea that the whole world is filled with hate racism fear cover ups blah blah blah is just your own misinterpretation of the world. You think because the media portays these things that it is what everyone is about. i.e. you see 10 murders on TV and feel like if you walk outside you are going to get offed. The world is actually a pretty nice place with a majority of nice people, it's the internet thats full of hate racism fear and cover ups.
- agentVivid, on 07/23/2008, -4/+9Mass Panic? Of course... we live in a culture of FEAR! Just give one person in the media a chance to make you very afraid of something, and voila, you're doing something stupid like hiding under your desk in fear of an H-bomb.
Anyone with some religious zeal would immediately try to use FEAR in order to control your thoughts regarding aliens ( or anything for that matter ). They don't tolerate gay people... why would they ever accept a foreign, non-human race? It spits in the face of everything the church has taught them... so OF COURSE they would panic. Does that mean people would run around rioting in the streets - probably not. BUT, people sure would be in a state of panic because their entire social system just got turned upside down. Some people will go crazy, some will be elated with the news... lots of people will try to profit from it, some will try to scare you with it... some will even DENY that it exists. Eventually, governments will be held accountable and the entire system will crumble before our eyes.
Damn the Man... Save the Planet. 1 Universe FTW! - duckyinc, on 07/23/2008, -9/+2Get off your tin foil mo fo, if the aliens have made contact why don't they check if we know about or not? Or do aliens lack common sense like you?
- theandyj, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0orly?
- finnbjorn, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0If a creature could cross the distances between the stars efficiently enough for it to be possible for them to visit us at all, to say nothing of feasible (i.e., it is possible for us to send a man to Mars, but it isn't feasible), then they would have technology that violates our current understanding of physics; so, they would be so much more advanced than us as we are more advanced than ants, meaning they could very easily study us with out interfering in our daily lives over much and would probably have no intreset whatsoever in weather or not we knew., since there is absolutely nothing we could do about it.
- seraph582, on 07/23/2008, -1/+8Sorry but that's just wishful thinking. We're humans. If we made contact, we'd find a way to hide it from everyone, then use the sweet new technology we just learned about to make a bazillion dollars.
Remember, money is everything. - Treblex, on 07/23/2008, -8/+2tl;dr but I digg!
- GliTCH82, on 07/23/2008, -1/+10If they have the technology to visit us, then no doubt they have technology that would allow them to sniff and translate all of our communications, perhaps even tapping into our global communications systems and mining the internet for information. If they can understand our way of thinking (assuming it's not too primitive) and our emotions (assuming they can trace them to their developmental roots in the evolutionary progress of our species) then we have to assume that they know the kind of mass panic and hysteria that would follow their discovery. This could be why they have chosen more subtle or discreet approaches to first contact.
- Majhem, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Yah, methinks interstellar travel deserves some respect...
- IF they've made it here for a visit, then they're WAAAY beyond us. - spwpi10, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2No way man, comcast throttles extraterrestrial traffic they would get fed up and stop trying to scan the tubes for information.
- Majhem, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Yah, methinks interstellar travel deserves some respect...
- joshblufs, on 07/23/2008, -3/+1If aliens were visiting earth and they wanted us to know about them I'm quite sure no govt cover up could stop them from hijacking our communications systems (tv radio internet etc). So if there is a cover up its likely at the direction of our new alien overlords. I for one am taking the only responsible course of action and investing everything I have in tin foil manufacturing.
- jerrycurley, on 07/23/2008, -2/+2The fact that you posted that Youtube link as proof of anything did far more damage to your reputation than anything anyone else could have done.
You ever notice that aliens only interview people with less than 10 teeth? - theguesser10, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4It's highly probable that aliens have broadcasted radio waves to us. It's also highly probable that in the fifteen-some billion years that the universe has existed those waves didn't reach earth in the last century. And if they did, it's still probable that SETI was facing the wrong direction.
- timoumd, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0Whats "highly probable" based on? We dont even know that there is intelligent life in the universe, and maybe they found a better way of communicating that we havent discovered yet. Perhaps one that doesnt take millenia to hold a conversation.
- nigglesparish, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0Why are ETs supposed to conflict with religion somehow? I always hear this but without any explanation. Surely the fact that Lewis and Tolkien could happily write sci-fi and fantasy about other kinds of intelligent life should make it sort of obvious that Christians at least have no essential objection to such possibilities. I've possibly even less of a notion how little green men would upset Buddhists, say, or Hindus. Anyways, since I myself am both religious and also like to imagine there might be ETs, I'd be curious to know why this is forbidden.
- finnbjorn, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Conservative branches of the so-called Religons of the Book hold the Book to know all. Whenever something is discovered that isn't covered by the Book, it becomes a crisis of faith. Geodarno Bruno (sp?) was burned at the stake for suggesting the existance of the vaccuum of space, because this isn't supported by the Bible. I imagine Evangelicals and the like would respond the same way to the varified existance of ETs. They'd probably declare them deamonic manifestations and make an ill advised attempt to destroy them and anyone who associates with them or disagrees with the deamonic manifestation explination of their existance.
- curtisag, on 07/25/2008, -0/+1When, and not if, we finally make face to face contact with beings from another world, your religious world will be turned upside down because they will most likely be atheists or agnostics. They will have never heard of your Christ, and one of the first questions we will have for them is what they think of religion. People will listen because they are a far more advanced, wise, and intelligent race of beings than ourselves. Also, the bible makes no mention of aliens or that God created more than one world. If something as huge as aliens on other worlds is omitted, it makes the bible look like a flawed document. Furthermore, why didn't Jesus visit the alien home world and die for their sins as well as our own? All kinds of questions like this will be asked, and religion doesn't have a good answer.
Ask yourself this if you're not convinced. Why did the Catholic church recently make a major statement that alien life does not affect belief in god unless they felt that it's possible someone might think that? - nigglesparish, on 07/26/2008, -0/+0finnbjorn: yes I suppose *someone* might do that, but what does that have to do with anything? I'm an evangelical myself and that sounds like craziness to me.
curtisag: I just said I don't see a problem with ETs so I don't know what basis you have for saying my world will be "turned upside-down." You say they won't have heard about Christ. Well, perhaps not. I have no idea how you can know that. And if they haven't, so what? You seem to think we're supposed to draw some kind of conclusion from that. I don't know what conclusion that is. I also have no idea why you think aliens will be "wiser" than us, or what that has to do with the question at hand.
Both of you seem to think that the the fact the bible doesn't talk about aliens is really incriminating somehow. Please refer me to a book that *does* talk about everything there is to talk about. Cause I'm pretty sure none exists.
Why did the Catholic church have to make the point I'm trying to make? Because people like you think there's a problem. Well, there isn't, and I'd be happy not to have to point it out.
- venicerocco, on 07/24/2008, -1/+3Tin foil hat wearing Mo Fo.
There. - SmokinOkie, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1If you really believe that, I have a bridge for sale. What an idiot.
- jsauter, on 07/23/2008, -7/+89I can`t wait for the day when the hardcore believers of religion take a step back and rethink their ideologies.
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/ : : : : : -, :¯’’’’’’’’’’’¯ : : _,,-~’’ : : : : : : : : : : : : : :| : : : : : : : : : - Deadpixel1221, on 07/23/2008, -1/+72Looks like you've lost a lot of weight, Admiral or are YOU the impostor!
- jmreid, on 07/24/2008, -5/+2This is why I love Digg
- kingp, on 07/23/2008, -19/+6This made me lolz
- tekproxy, on 07/23/2008, -24/+6IT'S A TRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- D3PyroGS, on 07/23/2008, -13/+8It's sad when the most dugg comment on a page is an Ackbar...
- crispytown, on 07/23/2008, -15/+7I am tired of these lame comments with ASCII art in them. Please grow up.
- Karai, on 07/24/2008, -3/+8NO U
- DoctorFaust, on 07/24/2008, -1/+39My computer screen can't repel ASCII of that magnitude.
- ZenMojo, on 07/24/2008, -4/+4Don't listen to him. He's an alien. Of course he wants you to think he exists.
- aalbass, on 07/24/2008, -5/+2Don't open this thread.... IT'S A TRAP!!
- alexanEmpire, on 07/24/2008, -3/+9IT'S A TARP!
- IpecacNeat, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1This comment is HILARIOUS.
- hinmanj, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3THERE'S ONE OF DEM ALIENS RIGHT THERRR!
- AutoTom, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1If NASA knew about aliens.. why would we continue to spend millions on missions to mars?
couldnt the aliens just bring us some martian soil?- finnbjorn, on 07/24/2008, -0/+01) We should develope our own technology.
2) Why would they?
- finnbjorn, on 07/24/2008, -0/+01) We should develope our own technology.
- TupacFan07, on 07/23/2008, -6/+340Well Admiral, it seems you have expanded your vocabulary.
- vroom101, on 07/23/2008, -14/+8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHjFxJVeCQs
- BigManOnCampus, on 07/23/2008, -15/+331Viral Marketing for the X-files movie?
naaah... people are above that sort of behavior.- OliveStreet, on 07/23/2008, -13/+1Damn, you beat me to the thought!
- whahaa, on 07/23/2008, -2/+21i thought the new x-files movie wasn't going to have aliens in it.
- BigManOnCampus, on 07/23/2008, -0/+10Yeah, that's just what they want you to think.
- rome747, on 07/23/2008, -0/+14X-Files without aliens?
Unbelievable. - Lochie, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6I want to believe...
- H1tchh1k3r, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2It has zombie ghosts.
- Karai, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Lochie: epic
- wenomspitta, on 07/23/2008, -7/+1oh thanx, that made all the sence for me now
- Neiby, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2If it were coming from someone else, perhaps. But I doubt Dr. Mitchell would have anything to do with viral marketing for a movie.
- sdocpublishing, on 07/23/2008, -3/+7huh? The guy is a freakin' astronaut and has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics. I think with this gentleman's background you can take him on his word.
- worldtrade2890, on 07/24/2008, -1/+3Do you know Dr. Mitchel?
Though, like you, I think it's unlikely, maybe he's the kind of guy who don't mind putting his credibility at risk for a decent amount of money... - goblindegook, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Appeals to authority are logical fallacies. Just because he's somewhat qualified (in aeronautics, mind you, not exobiology) to speak about the subject doesn't mean he's infallible or free from delusion.
- fedja, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1He's also 77 and thinks little people live in his intercom.
- sdocpublishing, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1LMAO! I did not read about him thinking that people are living in his intercom.
Yes I have to admit I do not know this man nor his true motives for the statements he has made.
But why is it so hard to believe him.
People believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when Bush said it, and he has far less credibility, a history of drug and alcohol problems, and has outright lied many times.
- worldtrade2890, on 07/24/2008, -1/+3Do you know Dr. Mitchel?
- dn11, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3this guy has been saying this kind of stuff for years on Art Bell and elsewhere...
- TomT223, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0The truth is out there.
- Joet1980, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1If you honestly believe that you are a ***** retard.
- link2009, on 07/23/2008, -28/+6Great, another crazy moron talking about his dreams.
- erad222, on 07/23/2008, -3/+19Only difference is, this "crazy moron" walked on the Moon and has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics.
- dkapuchino, on 07/23/2008, -18/+2No he didn't. We never set foot on the moon. It was all done in a hollywood studio.
- erad222, on 07/23/2008, -1/+7Oh sir. I hope you're joking. Please tell me you are. No one is that stupid to actually believe that the Moon landing was fake.
- dondara, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4Diplomas do not cancel out the "crazy as a ***** rat" gene.
I cannot come to a conclusion on this. But it breaks down like this;
1. Life elsewhere in the universe? Most likely. It's a big place.
2. Are they evolved and building spacecraft? Ummm, the odds just shot up on that one. Again, possible.
3. Have they visited Earth and made contact? I cannot draw a conclusion based on zero evidence to disprove. They will have to prove it. Very unlikely.
4. Would Earth's leaders conspire with aliens against the best interests of the human population? If there was a buck to made, you bet. There is nothing they won't do, just things they can't.
In summation, I have never seen any footage, eyewitness account or debris that made me even wonder if it was possible. It's the Bigfoot/Nessie/Ghost syndrome. False report made to gain attention or a wild imagination that played tricks on the owner.
Something like that could not be kept secret. - fastreporter, on 07/23/2008, -0/+7@dondara:
"Something like that could not be kept secret."
That's a false assumption:
Split things up in compartmentalized sections and you can keep it secret.
After all only 100,000 people worked in secret on the Manhattan Project... and many Cold War and Vietnam secrets are only being released in recent years... - fastreporter, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0I should perhaps add that, according to some stories, it's likely to be a number of less than just 25 people on the entire world that might know the complete story* when it comes to UFOs and visitors from other words. 25.. and given the secrecy, they would know all to well that speaking up means "bye bye to oneself and probably the rest of the family".
* that is, as far as we have a clue at all as a species.
- erad222, on 07/23/2008, -3/+19Only difference is, this "crazy moron" walked on the Moon and has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics.
- mazza558, on 07/23/2008, -45/+276Daily Mail = Buried.
- funkyjunk3, on 07/23/2008, -4/+30Cut the chase, LISTEN TO THE INTERVIEW YOURSELF:
http://www.kerrangradio.co.uk/Article.asp?id=80416 ...- Mushroomhero, on 07/23/2008, -1/+0Nice link thanks.
- Tribis, on 07/23/2008, -0/+11Daily Mail is a tabloid like Weekly World News.
- dillibob, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2except weekly world news is more trustworthy
- mikebb79, on 07/24/2008, -2/+0Daily Mail =buried and I'm sure that one of the places that is important to go to when trying to prove the existence of aliens is kerrang! as it states in the article.
He told the astonished Kerrang! radio host Nick Margerrison: "This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure and some serious organisations are moving in that direction.'
www.kerrang.com - dengzhi, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1agreed
- DewCrew88, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Kind of like huffingtonpost, democracynow, and others along the same line for me
- funkyjunk3, on 07/23/2008, -4/+30Cut the chase, LISTEN TO THE INTERVIEW YOURSELF:
- itsthebrod, on 07/23/2008, -42/+87You people really think the incompetent government is capable of keeping a monumental conspiracy secret for over 60 years? Get real and stop believing this *****. What's the reason the government has for keeping such a thing secret for so long?
- bundwallah, on 07/23/2008, -6/+33Yeah,
The Manhattan project after all was done out in the open. That the gov't comes across as "incompetent" does not give plausible deniability to them or the agencies under them. That's a ***** excuse.- timoumd, on 07/23/2008, -2/+9And the Russians had their own by 1948, with a lot of stolen info from us. Biggest secret we ever had and the Russians had it in 3 years. The govt. IS that incompetent. They were just better about it in the middle of a war that required sacrafice cannot comprehend.
- fuzzmeister, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4The Manhattan project was in the depths of World War II, so the climate in the US was quite different. People were very dedicated to their country and to the cause. I just don't see that happening on such a gigantic scale today.
- UglyBunny, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2timoumd,
Nuclear physics wasn't created by Americans. There were many minds thinking about the idea of a nuclear weapon. The idea of a chain reaction was floating around the academic community for many years before there was any arms race between the USA and Soviet Union. Once the USA dropped the bombs on Japan, the cat was out of the bag and scientists everywhere knew it was possible.
fuzzmeister,
You make an interesting point about nationalism, but aliens are beyond nationalism. People might not have the same faith in country they once had, but maybe they are willing to cover things up "for the sake of the human race?"
I'm not saying I believe this BS...
- lolcoderer, on 07/23/2008, -20/+19Because all the "faith" people that still believe we were created by a supreme being, would freak the f*#$k out if they found out that aliens exists
- hakkola, on 07/23/2008, -4/+15False statement.
As a christian I still believe in the potential for life outside of earth. - kingp, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5That is a completely false statement. There are christian religions that believe in life outside of earth.
- Mushroomhero, on 07/23/2008, -1/+0Haha but I want that so bad.
- calciumwaves, on 07/23/2008, -6/+5I have to say that's a false statement too. As a Seventh-Day Adventist, I believe there are more creations made by God other than just us humans. This is where people will hate me: I think these are demons.
- Mushroomhero, on 07/23/2008, -1/+7Will the demons come get me if I masturbate?
- itsthebrod, on 07/23/2008, -2/+1That may be true, but I really doubt that'd be the reason for the government keeping aliens a secret for over half a century.
- Nialsh, on 07/24/2008, -2/+0"No, the religion thing is false. [insert personal anecdote]"
Guys, the government doesn't care about you. It cares about the majority. A HUGE chunk of the world population would be devastated if they were convinced that aliens are real.
- hakkola, on 07/23/2008, -4/+15False statement.
- symbolicsorcery, on 07/23/2008, -11/+30The government is only incompetent with their STATED goals, motives, agendas, plans. However, those are not their real intentions.
If their real plan is to increase their power, preventing the people from gaining too much power, generally dumbing us down, subverting our values, and leaving us in the dark about the real important issues, then their operation is seen to be a work of genius.- DerpDerpMD, on 07/23/2008, -5/+6a conspiracy of this size would be impossible. How would, after all these years, NO ONE step up with one bit of evidence? some people can't be trusted to keep secrets.
- CanTheSpam, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1I think you can explain all of that by looking at the self-interests. Congress wants to spend more money, and the President wants to have more power. It requires neither conspiracy nor competency for both of those things to happen.
I believe things when they're proven to me. I don't think we need to start inventing unfounded things in order to show that the government sucks. - Gartland32, on 07/23/2008, -2/+4@ DerpDerpMD
The thing is, people DO step up with evidence! You just read an article about it! Maybe you don't believe him, or the many others who step up and claim to have knowledge of conspiracies,, but you cant say: "These conspiracy theories are impossible because somebody would have spoken out" because someone DID speak out. - fuzzmeister, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2Gartland32, show me conclusive evidence that man has made contact with extraterrestrials. Not accounts, pieces of metal, or blurry photos. Conclusive evidence. I'm waiting.
- worldtrade2890, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2The thing is, there has been so many people who claimed to have seen aliens, with arguments that seemed at first conclusive, just to get attention, fame or money, that now we're at the point that everytime someone comes up with a "proof", we automatically discredit it.
So maybe someone already tried to show conclusive and true evidence, but everyone just thought he was another nutjob...
Now, the only way I can imagine we'll take a UFO-sight claim seriously is if a large group of people saw the SAME thing at the SAME time, with the SAME footage from DIFFERENT sources.
Individual sources will simply continue to be ignored. - DraxusD, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2I think even without footage, if a handful of people who don't know each each and aren't all already UFO nuts, describe seeing the same event and it isn't something that can be explained... that would probably warrant being taken seriously and investigated further.
- itsthebrod, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1@Gartland32
Do you not know the definition of "evidence"? I'll give you a hint -- it doesn't involve anecdotes and stories.
- zeusthemoose, on 07/23/2008, -2/+14I honestly don't think they are keeping a "secret". I think they observe the UFO phenomena and probably have files on it (and of course the US has multiple examples of this, project blue book probably being the most well known). But from their limited observations, they have no idea how to deal with or address this phenomena. Every observation made by military forces throughout the world (there is tons of evidence of this from almost any country with a reasonable Air Force) has been meet with apparent superior technology that they have no means of countering (if you can't even begin to keep up with the craft, how are you going to engage it in an armed conflict).
To avoid a mass panic at the thought of potentially not being able to protect our country from a unknown force, the government downplays everything. To deny that massive amounts of people who worked on the inside have not been reporting on this for decades is complete ignorance. The government has been keeping a "secret" because of dumb ***** like you who appeal to authority and accept the weak explanations provided by the military as fact.
Oh and I suggest that you read the following report:
http://www.mufon.com/documents/MUFONStephenvilleRa ...
The evidence from "inside" sources is, quite frankly, overwhelming. I am not saying that little green men from mars are visiting us, but I am saying that this is a real and well documented phenomena, and to suggest otherwise is contrary to reality. - xyllar, on 07/23/2008, -2/+6But they DIDN'T succeed. This guy just leaked it didn't he? And it's not like he's the first one to say so either.
- DerpDerpMD, on 07/23/2008, -0/+10he's also not the first one to come forward with NO EVIDENCE.
- Elliuotatar, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Yeah, exactly what I was going to say.
I don't know if aliens exist, but how can you possibly use as evidence that the government couldn't possibly know about them because there's no way they could keep it a secret for 60 years when there've been conspiracy theories about it for at least that long. If they do know about it, they certainly have not succeeded in keeping it a secret. At best, they've succeeded in convincing most people that anyone who says they're keeping it a secret is a crackpot.
So the question really is: Is the government competent enough to keep people beliving that those that leak information are crackpots for 60 years?
Have there been cases of information being leaked where the government tried to discredit the leaker, only for their charade to be quickly discovered? - untzboy,
- bundwallah, on 07/23/2008, -6/+33Yeah,